120: Oksana Hansen - From Corporate To Quantum Wellness: Creating The Life You Want To Live

Meredith Oke: 00:05:04

All right. Oksana Hansen. Super excited to have

Meredith Oke: 00:05:08

you on. You were just saying that you were, like,

Meredith Oke: 00:05:11

I was saying, an OG Applied Quantum Biology

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certified practitioner. You're like, I was an

Meredith Oke: 00:05:18

early adopter. Came in back when we. Right around

Meredith Oke: 00:05:23

when we first launched in 2022.

Oksana Hanson: 00:05:27

Yeah. It's been quite the journey. Thanks so much

Oksana Hanson: 00:05:29

for having me on today.

Meredith Oke: 00:05:31

Oh, it's my total pleasure. I'm really looking

Meredith Oke: 00:05:34

forward to hearing your story and hearing how you

Meredith Oke: 00:05:38

landed in a certification for Applied Quantum

Meredith Oke: 00:05:42

Biology when you started out in sales and tech as

Meredith Oke: 00:05:47

an executive in San Francisco. That's quite the

Meredith Oke: 00:05:51

trajectory. I love it. Yeah. So tell us your

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story, because, you know, it's. You've made a lot

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of leaps, and I think it's really helpful for

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people to hear how. How those leaps happened and

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what could be possible for them and be able to

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relate. So you were an executive in the San

Meredith Oke: 00:06:16

Francisco Bay area. You were married. Did you

Meredith Oke: 00:06:19

have children at the time?

Oksana Hanson: 00:06:21

So is it okay if we start a little bit earlier

Oksana Hanson: 00:06:24

than that?

Meredith Oke: 00:06:25

Because.

Oksana Hanson: 00:06:26

Yeah. Is that okay, Please?

Meredith Oke: 00:06:28

Absolutely. Take us where we need to go to get

Meredith Oke: 00:06:31

the full, full trajectory.

Oksana Hanson: 00:06:36

So I was born and raised in Russia, and my family

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immigrated to the United states in late 1991. And

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it was because my mother had a very rare form of

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cancer called osteosarcoma, and it was in her

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jaw. It had moved up to her brain. And so from,

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like, the age of seven on, my life was filled

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with doctors, visits, hospitals, surgeries. Like,

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it was like this life kind of began without me

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even knowing it. And, of course, because my

Oksana Hanson: 00:07:10

mother was only 30 years old at the time, like, I

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just assumed, and I thought that's what happens.

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Like, people in my family, they get cancer, they

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die early. My mom's mom had died at 50. So, like,

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I just set out on this course thinking, like, I'm

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not going to have a long life. Like, I might as

Oksana Hanson: 00:07:28

well enjoy it because, you know, did there was.

Meredith Oke: 00:07:31

Did your mother survive or. No.

Oksana Hanson: 00:07:34

She did. Yeah. So it was one of the craziest

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cancer, like, surgeries that they did. They still

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have, like, all over her files. Do not delete any

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of this. Like, it's insane. But they basically

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ended up removing the entire right side of her

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face. So, yeah, so they, like, peeled off the

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skin and dug everything out. All the tissue, all

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the bone, her eye, like, her palette. Like, I

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mean, everything from the brain down, she ended

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up having. Honestly, I've lost count at this

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point. It's probably in the upwards of, like, 30

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different surgeries. She's still alive today.

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It's a miraculous, miraculous story. But really,

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like, it's funny because my journey kind of

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started with that initiation, like as a very,

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very small child.

Meredith Oke: 00:08:20

Yeah.

Oksana Hanson: 00:08:21

Being thrown into the, this world of sickness,

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doctor care, surgeries and all these other things

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which I'm so grateful for. Right. Like we talk

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about like in the alternative world, like those

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are the situations where like you want that kind

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of standard of care. But since then, and this was

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like 30 plus odd years ago, you know, her health

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has taken a big degradation. And so as being her

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healthcare advocate and going through my own

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journey, which I'll share in a second, like I've

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learned, like we need people to advoc for like

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our own healthcare journeys and also be there for

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other people's like in their healthcare journey

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to advocate for them as well. And when I say

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healthcare, I just mean health, not the actual,

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you know. You know what I mean? Yes, yes.

Meredith Oke: 00:09:10

You need someone on the inside with paying

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attention.

Oksana Hanson: 00:09:14

Yes.

Meredith Oke: 00:09:15

Asking every step of the way, is this the best

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thing to do? Is this in the best interest of my

Meredith Oke: 00:09:22

mother or my. Whoever it is? Yeah, absolutely. So

Meredith Oke: 00:09:27

that is something that I've seen happen. You

Meredith Oke: 00:09:29

probably did too, you know, in your experience.

Meredith Oke: 00:09:31

Yeah. You where you end up with multiple

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specialists and multiple doctors and everyone's

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got a different drug or a different intervention.

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And it's like who's thinking about the person,

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not just the patient.

Oksana Hanson: 00:09:47

And the way like I like to describe my experience

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with my mom is there was a bunch of silos. So

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there she had like oncology, she had the

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radiation, she had, you know, the surgeons, she

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had the ear, nose, throat doctor, she had the

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brain tumor doctor, she had this doc. Right.

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Like, so there's so many people, but it was like

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there was no one person looking at the whole

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picture. So like you'd get prescribed a

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medication that was having this other side

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effect. Well then this other specialist is trying

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to deal with the side effect and then they're

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issued another specialist to deal with that side

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effect. And like it was just such a cluster of

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information, pills, surgeries, half of which I

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think were unnecessary really. But that's not

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what we're talking about here. But anyhow, so I

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kind of went on with my life when I moved out of

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the house, married my husband, moved to the San

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Francisco Bay area, was working for tech

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startups, like Loving Life, like going out

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entertaining clients, like living it up. And like

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from the outside perspective, like everybody

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thought that I had this like perfect life. And my

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husband and I decided that we would Wanted to

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raise a family and have children. Well, it took

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me about two and a half years to conceive. And so

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that was really, like, my first sign that I was

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like, huh, okay, maybe this lifestyle is, like,

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the late nights. You know, I was working 24 by 7.

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It was one of these, like, in. In this industry

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where you needed to respond within, like, two

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minutes of somebody sending you an email. It's

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high stress. I was in sales, so, of course you're

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being held to quotas. And, you know, it was just

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that crazy kind of lifestyle. But because we

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didn't have children, we kind of got accustomed

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to that, and, like, we thought it was our norm,

Oksana Hanson: 00:11:36

right? And so I was finally able to conceive, and

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we had our kids back to back. Because I always

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think, like, oh, once the body knows what it's

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doing and you're healthy enough, like, you talk

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about getting pregnant and you're pregnant again.

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So, yeah, our kids. Our kids are very close

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together, which is so amazing. And we decided

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that somehow, like, it felt like the Bay Area was

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no longer. It had lost its luster. After we had

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kids, we thought, why are we raising our kids

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here? And one of the biggest reasons we moved

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across country to Nashville, Tennessee, was

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because we thought, okay, we're raising our

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children in an area where one, they're going to

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have to be, you know, in sales and investment

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banker or, you know, one of, like, only a handful

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of things, like, you know, an entrepreneur with a

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startup or something to get funding. Like, there

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was only a handful of things that they could do

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outside of, like, marrying into a relationship

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that was financially, like, supportive for them

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or, like, we would have to support them for the

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rest of their lives. And we wanted to, like, it

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was really important for us.

Meredith Oke: 00:12:45

Is it so expensive out there? Is that what you're

Meredith Oke: 00:12:47

saying? Like, it's just so impossible.

Oksana Hanson: 00:12:50

Yeah, it's impossible to live unless you're. I

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mean, my husband had guys working for him that

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were, like, six to eight people to an apartment.

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These guys were making, like, several hundred

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thousand dollars a year, right? So, like, we

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didn't want to put our kids in that type of

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position where they had to stay in a situation

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that wasn't, like, natural to them and kind of

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give them the world of opportunity. So I think

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the biggest decision that we made was moving

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across country, but the decision I didn't make at

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that point that I should have was to get out of

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technology sales. And I did it because it was

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great money. I was really good at it. Moving to

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Nashville, especially, like, it was just easy for

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me to make that transition. And so we knew we

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wanted like a slower lifestyle. We wanted to

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raise our kids in a place that felt more aligned

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with us. But we didn't make a change when it came

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to what we were doing for a living. And that's

Oksana Hanson: 00:13:53

when I got diagnosed with my child.

Meredith Oke: 00:13:54

I will say that's a tough call. You know, if

Meredith Oke: 00:13:56

you're supporting your family, it does. It's not

Meredith Oke: 00:13:59

top of mind to change jobs and. But you were, you

Meredith Oke: 00:14:03

had noticed. So starting with your. You had

Meredith Oke: 00:14:06

difficulty conceiving and then you were you

Meredith Oke: 00:14:09

having other health symptoms? That's as well.

Oksana Hanson: 00:14:15

Well, and I think what's interesting is we know

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the choice to move. Yeah, yeah. It was, you know,

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like there was definitely like weight gain,

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insomnia, there was like adrenal fatigue, there

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was all these other factors. But everyone just

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said, like, you're a first time mom or like you

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have a newborn at home or you're breastfeeding,

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like if you're up every two hours, of course

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you're tired. Of course. And somehow all these

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things, like in my mind became normal. Like it

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was normal to gain weight. It was normal to just

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be a walking zombie living off of coffee. It was

Oksana Hanson: 00:14:50

normal to have a glass of wine at night to relax

Oksana Hanson: 00:14:53

because that's what everybody does. Right. Like,

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and it kind of gets you into these habits of

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like, you think that's what everybody else is

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doing and it gets very normalized.

Meredith Oke: 00:15:04

Yeah, I think that's a, that's a big one. Is. And

Meredith Oke: 00:15:07

you know, I had a similar experience. We, we have

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kind of forgotten as a culture what it's like to

Meredith Oke: 00:15:15

feel really good and that it's okay to feel

Meredith Oke: 00:15:17

really good. And we've like layered on all of

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these different assaults on our biology. So of

Meredith Oke: 00:15:23

course we don't feel good, but nobody really

Meredith Oke: 00:15:25

does. So like, what's the big deal? It's. Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:15:29

And then, and then in order to feel good, that

Meredith Oke: 00:15:32

there are choices that need to be made. So. Okay,

Meredith Oke: 00:15:35

so keep going. So you. Okay, so you had some

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awareness that your health wasn't great, but it

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was like, oh, well, no, it's fine. Like I'm busy,

Meredith Oke: 00:15:45

I'm a mom. It's like I'm supposed to feel tired

Meredith Oke: 00:15:48

and zombie like all the time, which is what they

Meredith Oke: 00:15:52

tell us. And then 30 years later they tell us

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we're supposed to feel like that because we're

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not moms anymore, we're getting older. Like, it's

Meredith Oke: 00:16:00

like, okay, we're still moms, but we're not. You

Meredith Oke: 00:16:03

know, it's like every stage of life, it's. There

Meredith Oke: 00:16:05

seems to be a reason why we're supposed to feel

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gross and terrible and crappy. I reject it.

Oksana Hanson: 00:16:11

I say, not in my world.

Meredith Oke: 00:16:15

Not in our world. Okay, so you get to Nashville,

Meredith Oke: 00:16:20

which is an improvement in many ways, but you're

Meredith Oke: 00:16:24

still not feeling great, and you're still in high

Meredith Oke: 00:16:26

stress drop.

Oksana Hanson: 00:16:28

Yeah. And I think, okay, this is the year that

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I'm 35 years old. I'm going to take control of my

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health. I have no excuses. My kids are like,

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three and four at this age. Like, okay, no more

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mom bod. Like, I'm gonna start walking every day.

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Like, I don't know why I chose walking. Don't

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know why I didn't go to the gym. Don't know why I

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didn't do a million, like, take Pilates class. I

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don't know. Like, I was just like, I'm gonna

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start walking every day. So I put my headphones

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in, slathered on that sunblock, and went outside

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for my.

Meredith Oke: 00:17:00

Because you're in Tennessee. You got to be spfed

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to the max every time you leave the house.

Oksana Hanson: 00:17:06

To the max. Yep.

Meredith Oke: 00:17:08

Okay.

Oksana Hanson: 00:17:09

And I start noticing a growth on my leg. And, you

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know, I was one of these people where I saw a

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dermatologist twice a year, was very religious

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about it, did everything that the dermatologists

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told me to do. I had a big spot removed, like,

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this size, big, black, brown spot on my back when

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I was 12 years old. And so I'd been under a care

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of a dermatologist because of my mom's history

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with cancer. We were kind of amplified in our

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approach when it came to our, you know, health.

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And so I was like, man, I don't know what that

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growth is, but I need to go find a dermatologist

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that's local. And I go get a checkup. She's like,

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you're fine. We'll take a biopsy. And then you

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get that dreaded call that's like, you need to

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come in tomorrow at 7am to see the doctor. And I

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was like, well, we know that that's not good news

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when they're having you come in, like, first

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thing in the morning. And so my husband and I

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went in, and that's when I got told that I was

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diagnosed with melanoma. And from the second that

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they said that, Meredith, like, I was like, this

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doesn't make sense. I've been under the care of a

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dermatologist seen twice a year, every year since

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I was 12. I'm 35 years old. How did I get

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diagnosed with melanoma? And to me, like, and

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doing everything.

Meredith Oke: 00:18:36

That they said, everything. All their

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instructions.

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And I'd made such improvements, like, in my

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health and my weight. And I was walking every

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day. I was spending time outside, and I was like,

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this doesn't make sense. I thought this was a

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disease, you know, And I'm sorry if this is

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offensive, but, like, old white men got, like. I

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thought that they got it on their face. And,

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like, I didn't know anything else about skin

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cancer at that point. And so without being, like,

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rushed to fear, I was like, I'm going on vacation

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with my family in a couple weeks. Like, let's

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talk about the treatment options. But I'm

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definitely not going to start anything until I'm

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back from this vacation 30 days from now. And I

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think they were shocked, like, that I wasn't

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gonna, like, rush into making any, like,

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treatment decisions right away. And this is when

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I felt, like, most empowered out of, like, any

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time I ever have in my life, because this will to

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live for my children was greater than any

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diagnosis that I could get. And I started doing

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my own research, and I go to pubmed for the first

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time in my life, and I found a study that said,

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in melanoma, in particular, because of its

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irregular borders, you should be cutting around

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10 millimeters around the cancer. And I went to

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my surgeon, and I said to her, can we have a

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conversation about this? How much are you

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planning to cut off? And she said, between 4 to 5

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millimeters. And I said, here, can you please

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read this study? And, like, I'm a married woman.

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I don't care what it looks like. I have young

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babies. Like, I need you to cut more than you

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think is even necessary. Like, I want you. Like,

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if we're going to do this, like, let's make sure

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we get all of the cancer. And so I ended up just

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having the surgery, no other treatment done,

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because I was like, okay, this is how we're going

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to handle this situation. I went into the

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solution mode, like, at that point to survive.

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And again, this was, like, very much I'm still in

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that conventional mindset. Like, hadn't really

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had, like, my awakening to everything that is

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going on and somehow still was very clear and in

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my approach to how I wanted to do this treatment,

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because I'd seen my mom go through chemo. I'd

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:06

seen my mom go through radiation. I wasn't going

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:09

to put myself or my family through that. It was

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:11

awful. Like, I Didn't want to repeat that

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:15

generational cycle of putting my children through

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:18

that kind of trauma. And thankfully, I came

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:25

across Quantum Biology Collective. So. So I was

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:28

having my follow up visits, and at that point, I

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:31

think it's either monthly, every other month,

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:33

like it was very often for the first two years.

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:37

And she kept saying to me, like, you need wear

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:39

sunblock. You need to cover up, you need to not

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:41

go outside. And I was like, this doesn't make

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:44

sense. And if you remember, probably like a year

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:48

after that diagnosis that I had, they recalled

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:52

Oxybenzone sunblock off the market for causing

Oksana Hanson: 00:21:56

cancer. And so I went under my cabinet and I

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:02

pulled out this, what I thought was organic

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:05

Australian sunblock. And the first ingredient was

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:08

Oxybenzone. And I thought to myself, I was making

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:12

this healthy change of moving to Nashville,

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:15

walking for three miles a day outside, but I was

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:17

slathering on this toxic stuff, which I think,

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:22

you know, along with lifestyle things and, you

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:26

know, seed oils and other things that we now know

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:28

can, you know, are correlated with the skin

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:31

cancer. But I was slathering on sunblock every

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:37

single day. And I truly think that was one of the

Oksana Hanson: 00:22:41

major contributing factors. Wow.

Meredith Oke: 00:22:45

That is so interesting because you started the

Meredith Oke: 00:22:50

walking practice. Walking is outside. You are a

Meredith Oke: 00:22:53

diligent patient of lifelong dermatology and

Meredith Oke: 00:22:59

doing everything you can to prevent cancer. So

Meredith Oke: 00:23:02

you started using this sunscreen every day, and

Meredith Oke: 00:23:08

then you ended up with that diagnosis. Wow, okay.

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:15

And thankfully, it was in a location where I

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:17

personally saw it. Right. Like, one of the

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:19

biggest things with, like, melanoma is, you know,

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:22

men get it on their back, you know, like, or in

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:28

their private areas. Which, again, like, I. I

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:31

look at those things and I'm like, that doesn't

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:33

make sense. Like, why would someone get skin

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:36

cancer in a place that doesn't see the sun?

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:38

Right? Like, breast cancer is one of the most

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:40

prevalent, like, CANC answers we have today.

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:43

Like, I just wonder. I'm like, that's

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:46

interesting, right? So as I came across the

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:50

Quantum Biology Collective and your message, it

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:56

was the first time in my entire life that I was

Oksana Hanson: 00:23:59

like, wow, the sun gives life to everything on

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:04

Earth. Of course we don't need to be scared of

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:07

the sun. Like, it was the first time that I heard

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:10

something that actually made sense to me. I'm

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:13

like, okay, I don't know anything about quantum

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:17

biology health. Like, I didn't have a science

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:20

background. Like, my degree was in philosophy. So

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:23

all I knew was really like, how to question any

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:26

argument and use logic. And to me, like, this

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:29

Came, it came so easily because of, I think my

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:33

background with my mom's cancer, being around

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:36

surgeries, being around doctors, asking all the

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:38

questions, being around that industry for so

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:42

long, it felt like everything that like I had

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:46

experienced led up to this. Like, now I know what

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:50

my purpose is in life, and that is to teach

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:52

people the actual healing ways of this planet.

Oksana Hanson: 00:24:57

Because had I had not, hadn't had those

Oksana Hanson: 00:25:00

experiences and maybe get diagnosed with cancer

Oksana Hanson: 00:25:02

at 35 and just have the surgery and have it

Oksana Hanson: 00:25:05

removed and move on with my life, I wouldn't be

Oksana Hanson: 00:25:07

where I am today.

Meredith Oke: 00:25:11

Wow, that's amazing. And I like, I love that you

Meredith Oke: 00:25:16

heard, you heard the message and I love that

Meredith Oke: 00:25:20

philosophy is very practical. You were trained to

Meredith Oke: 00:25:26

seek truth, to under recognize it, and to ask

Meredith Oke: 00:25:29

questions about, of things that don't make sense.

Meredith Oke: 00:25:33

And you are in the perfect position. That's

Meredith Oke: 00:25:36

amazing. So did you quit your job?

Oksana Hanson: 00:25:45

Yes. So at the end of, because that.

Meredith Oke: 00:25:49

Is a big deal. And I, you know, I, I, I don't

Meredith Oke: 00:25:53

like, you know, just saying, like, ah, you got to

Meredith Oke: 00:25:55

move to the equator. Ah, you got to quit your

Meredith Oke: 00:25:56

job. Like, these are big important life changes.

Meredith Oke: 00:25:58

So if you did quit your job, that is a huge

Meredith Oke: 00:26:02

decision I'd love to dig into a little because.

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:05

Yeah, so within, within six months, I was no

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:08

longer employed at that firm. And, and then I had

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:13

some time to, really had about a year to figure

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:16

out what I wanted to do with my life. And that

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:20

was when Covid hit. And so, you know, the whole

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:25

universe kind of changed. And I think now that I

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:30

was like, empowered of like, questioning

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:33

everything. I was like, oh, I don't have to

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:36

think, take things at face value. I can do my own

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:40

research. I may not have a ton of experience in

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:43

this stuff, but I can read, you know, studies and

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:47

information and decipher and really like, trust

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:51

that intuition. Like, I guess that's the one

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:53

thing that we haven't really touched on is

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:56

there's a lot of like, trusting yourself and the

Oksana Hanson: 00:26:59

guidance that you're getting from God, the

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:02

universe, whatever you want to call it, that I

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:06

had drowned that voice for a long time and now it

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:11

was amplified. It was like, you're empowered.

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:14

Just take the time to like, slow down and listen.

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:18

And all of a sudden I was getting like, very,

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:20

very, very clear messages unlike anything that

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:23

I've ever done before. And also had the strength

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:26

to back up my stance on those, on those messages

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:31

and the preferences. I was like, I'm no longer

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:33

saying yes just to be a people pleaser or for it

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:36

to be convenient. Like, I need to protect my

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:39

energy, my family's energy, and. And things just

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:43

kind of started falling into place. Some most

Oksana Hanson: 00:27:47

powerful word in the English language is no.

Meredith Oke: 00:27:52

I love it. It's so true. And it's. It's hard. You

Meredith Oke: 00:27:59

don't realize how many little tentacles and

Meredith Oke: 00:28:02

threads of energy, connective tissue that we feel

Meredith Oke: 00:28:07

responsible for. And we feel like that no might.

Meredith Oke: 00:28:12

I'm trying to articulate my experience when I say

Meredith Oke: 00:28:15

no. Yeah. And it's feels like I'm going to sever

Meredith Oke: 00:28:19

them all, and then I'll be, you know, everyone's

Meredith Oke: 00:28:23

going to be harmed or something. And. Yeah. I

Meredith Oke: 00:28:26

just had a situation where I had to make a choice

Meredith Oke: 00:28:27

about something, and I ended up saying no. And it

Meredith Oke: 00:28:30

was like. Like, oh. I mean, when it came time to

Meredith Oke: 00:28:36

do it, it was easy, but, like, getting to.

Meredith Oke: 00:28:38

Getting to the decision was it's a process. And I

Meredith Oke: 00:28:42

appreciate you bringing that up because sometimes

Meredith Oke: 00:28:45

we tell our stories and we're like, oh, then I

Meredith Oke: 00:28:46

did this and then I did that, and it's like,

Meredith Oke: 00:28:48

yeah, but cultivating the internal fortitude and

Meredith Oke: 00:28:53

intuition to come to those decisions is no small

Meredith Oke: 00:28:56

thing.

Oksana Hanson: 00:28:59

Well, and I. I think, because I am very logical

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:02

and practical, too. So it's like, I love to

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:04

philosophize, but I love to like, okay, how could

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:07

we make this into a. Something you can actually

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:10

implement? So what we did in our family is we put

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:13

up a whiteboard and we said, what are our family

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:16

ethics and values? And for two weeks, we left

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:20

this whiteboard up. And anytime you thought of a

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:23

value that was important to you, you would go and

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:26

write it up on this board. And after the two

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:30

weeks was done, the four of us had written a lot

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:32

of different things, but what I noticed was a lot

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:35

of similar themes. And how old were children?

Meredith Oke: 00:29:39

But just curious, when you did this exercise.

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:43

Maybe seven and eight. Okay. So I love it. Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:29:47

So you're all in there. People, they would just

Meredith Oke: 00:29:49

have an idea, they walk by, they'd write up, you

Meredith Oke: 00:29:52

jot it up.

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:53

Like adventure, fun. Right. Friends, love. Right.

Oksana Hanson: 00:29:59

All the different things. We had so many things,

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:01

but I noticed certain themes. And so what I did

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:05

was I narrowed down all the things that were

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:07

written on this whiteboard to five key

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:10

principles. And I had an artist make a custom

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:14

artwork for me, and we hang it up right outside

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:18

of our garage door. So we look at it every time

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:21

we exit and enter our house, and this is our way

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:25

that we make decisions. If it does not meet three

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:29

out of the five core values for the Hansen,

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:32

Family values. The answer is an automatic no.

Meredith Oke: 00:30:36

Oh, my gosh, that's so good. And I love that

Meredith Oke: 00:30:41

because I do feel a little bit of your corporate

Meredith Oke: 00:30:43

background coming into play. Right. Like, this

Meredith Oke: 00:30:45

is, like, totally, like, a strategic planning

Meredith Oke: 00:30:48

exercise. I've been there. Yes, but why not apply

Meredith Oke: 00:30:52

it to the family? That's brilliant.

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:55

Right? Everybody's needs and values get heard

Oksana Hanson: 00:30:59

like they're overlapping themes. We all agree on

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:02

that. It doesn't mean can't get revisited. Maybe

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:05

we revisit it now, but, like, you know, ours is

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:08

like, health, community, love, safety. Right. And

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:13

adventure. And if, like, those are the things

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:16

that are valuable to us right now. And there.

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:18

It's really easy when you apply this principle to

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:21

say yes or no to things, because at the end of

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:23

the day, it's not personal. But if I don't feel,

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:25

like, safe or if I don't feel, like loved or in

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:27

community, like, it's going to be a no. And

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:30

that's because it's not aligning with my core

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:32

value. And so you can kind of take, like, that

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:36

spiritual aspect and apply it, like, practically

Oksana Hanson: 00:31:39

to your everyday life.

Meredith Oke: 00:31:41

Absolutely. I love this. This is. I'm. This,

Meredith Oke: 00:31:45

like, yeah, I'm the same way. I'm like, okay, but

Meredith Oke: 00:31:47

what is, like, what does this mean in. In the

Meredith Oke: 00:31:49

real terms? And these. Yeah. Sort of ethereal,

Meredith Oke: 00:31:54

like, oh, my intuition and this and that. No, it

Meredith Oke: 00:31:56

can be extremely practical, and I. I like to

Meredith Oke: 00:31:59

coach people about that with their too. And it's

Meredith Oke: 00:32:02

like, this is your business. So if it doesn't

Meredith Oke: 00:32:04

align, like, if you. If. If you get nauseous

Meredith Oke: 00:32:07

going on social media, then let's build a

Meredith Oke: 00:32:09

strategy where you don't need to do that. Right.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:11

Like, it's. You're allowed to craft the

Meredith Oke: 00:32:15

experience that you want to have in this world,

Meredith Oke: 00:32:17

and that is living in alignment with who you are

Meredith Oke: 00:32:20

and your. What you want. And that's. And which is

Meredith Oke: 00:32:24

an extremely practical way forward. Love it. What

Meredith Oke: 00:32:30

a beautiful thing to do for your family and. And

Meredith Oke: 00:32:33

to show your children how to do that. I love that.

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:36

Thank you. Well, I think it's just showing up and

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:39

telling them it's okay to say no. It's okay to

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:42

question things. Like, I want to raise

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:45

independent thinkers. I want them to learn how to

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:48

think, not to memorize things, which is why I

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:51

homeschool my children. And, you know, you come

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:55

across my kids, they can look you in the eye,

Oksana Hanson: 00:32:57

they can have a conversation with you. Like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:00

they're, you know, they're wild and free. They,

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:03

like, we have a couple Acres at our lake house.

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:05

And they're like, climbing the trees in the

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:07

forest, building forts and doing all these

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:09

things. Like, they're the happiest kids. Like, I,

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:12

I look at that. And I was like, my whole journey

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:15

was worth it just so my children can be children

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:19

and have this amazing childhood that maybe I

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:24

didn't get to experience, but I get to, like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:26

live vicariously through them. Like seeing how

Oksana Hanson: 00:33:28

carefree and happy and wild they are. Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:33:32

Oh, that's amazing. I know. There's nothing,

Meredith Oke: 00:33:36

nothing brings joy like watching children be

Meredith Oke: 00:33:41

children, especially outside. Right. Like, it's,

Meredith Oke: 00:33:45

there's just. I don't know. It is truly one of

Meredith Oke: 00:33:49

the most joyful experiences, experiences a person

Meredith Oke: 00:33:51

can have. I think watching children, like, run

Meredith Oke: 00:33:55

around and climb trees and jump in the water and

Meredith Oke: 00:33:58

just enjoy, Enjoy their childhood. And I love

Meredith Oke: 00:34:03

too, because you know what I'm also hearing? It's

Meredith Oke: 00:34:07

like, I think sometimes we feel afraid to change

Meredith Oke: 00:34:11

tracks in life or we are changing tracks and we

Meredith Oke: 00:34:14

feel like, I don't know anything about this new.

Meredith Oke: 00:34:17

You know, I'm doing this instead of that. And so

Meredith Oke: 00:34:20

I'm starting from zero. And what I hear that you

Meredith Oke: 00:34:23

did that I really like to remind people is that

Meredith Oke: 00:34:25

there are always transferable skills and

Meredith Oke: 00:34:29

experiences. Right. And I'm hearing you, like,

Meredith Oke: 00:34:32

take some really great stuff from your years in

Meredith Oke: 00:34:35

corporate life. And like, I, for me, it's like

Meredith Oke: 00:34:38

God or our higher power will, like, take whatever

Meredith Oke: 00:34:40

you have to offer and make it relevant and useful

Meredith Oke: 00:34:46

in this, in this, in the new path. And I notice

Meredith Oke: 00:34:51

you doing that. I love it.

Oksana Hanson: 00:34:53

Well, I think, I think if I were to hear what you

Oksana Hanson: 00:34:56

said is like, you can always reinvent yourself.

Oksana Hanson: 00:34:59

It's never too late. Right? Like, so our path

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:04

isn't predetermined. Like, you have free will.

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:07

And so I think the biggest thing that most people

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:12

have a fear about, and I had this fear too, until

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:15

a few years ago, is the fear of being really

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:18

seen. And.

Meredith Oke: 00:35:20

Yeah.

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:22

And I. And I think, well, why is that? Well, am I

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:27

living authentically? Am I living my life

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:29

honestly? Right? Am I living my life with

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:34

integrity? Meaning, like, how I feel on the

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:37

inside. I'm living outwardly. Right? Like, so

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:39

being a people pleaser like that to me is the

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:41

definition of maybe not living with integrity.

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:44

Right? You're making yourself small. I played

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:48

small for a really long time because I didn't

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:51

want to make other people feel uncomfortable.

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:54

Like, that wasn't me living with integrity. And

Oksana Hanson: 00:35:57

once I kind of flipped that switch of that fear

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:00

of being seen, I was like, I deserve to be loved.

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:06

Every single person in this universe deserves to

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:09

be loved. But I deserve to be loved for who I am,

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:12

not who I'm pretending to be. So as a people

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:15

pleaser, like, that wasn't the true and honest

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:18

and authentic me. And so if I deserve love, true

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:23

love, I have to show who I am. And with that

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:29

really came a lot of strength to make some of

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:32

these decisions in life. Of like, okay, if this

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:35

is in alignment with me, I have to live with

Oksana Hanson: 00:36:37

integrity. I have to say no.

Meredith Oke: 00:36:41

Yes. And then when we, I think that opens up us

Meredith Oke: 00:36:47

up to being able to receive that love and to be

Meredith Oke: 00:36:51

seen, because we know, oh, they're loving the

Meredith Oke: 00:36:53

real deal. They're not loving a version that I'm

Meredith Oke: 00:36:56

pretending to be to not make anyone mad or

Meredith Oke: 00:36:59

something. And so this, this inner growth, this

Meredith Oke: 00:37:09

spiritual growth came from and really an

Meredith Oke: 00:37:14

exploration into your physical health because

Meredith Oke: 00:37:17

it's all, it's all connected, right? Like, you

Meredith Oke: 00:37:23

didn't start out to have a spiritual awakening.

Meredith Oke: 00:37:25

You started out to make sure that you didn't get

Meredith Oke: 00:37:28

sick and that you didn't, you know, that you

Meredith Oke: 00:37:31

dealt with your cancer.

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:33

Well, I started following like, alternative

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:35

health communities. And this was like all during

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:38

COVID right? Like, and so this is several months

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:41

after, like, Covid, I would say the summer right

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:43

after Covid. And I was like, oh, cold, plunging.

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:47

Oh, that's interesting. Oh, there's these people

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:49

that are doing fasting. Okay, that's interesting.

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:53

So I came across this like, spiritual community

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:55

and they were like, come to this retreat. And I

Oksana Hanson: 00:37:58

was like, okay, like, I'll go. And I show up and

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:01

they're like, we're going to do a three hour

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:04

breath work. Like a holotropic, like, breath

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:06

work. And I was like, okay, I don't know what

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:08

that is. And sure, like, I've had lots of trauma,

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:12

right? I was like, yeah, I'll try it. I'll try

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:15

anything. This isn't like popping a pill or

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:17

taking a drug. Like, this was like a natural

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:20

thing that you could do with your breath. And I

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:23

had the most amazing journey. At first you're

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:26

like doing it and you're like, I'm this,

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:28

nothing's happening. I'm not doing it right. And

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:30

then all of a sudden, like, there was this

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:32

amazing vis that I had and literally life

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:37

changing. Like, I picked up the phone and called

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:39

my husband and I was like, okay, like, I got a

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:43

very clear vision about what my mission is on

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:45

this earth. And like, I need your support. Like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:48

can we sit down and talk about it? And I remember

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:51

flying home, and we sat down, we opened a bottle

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:54

of wine, and we had the best conversation, I

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:56

would say, like, we've been together 22 years

Oksana Hanson: 00:38:59

now, like, of our entire relationship. It was

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:02

like, that night, I was like, these are my hopes

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:04

and my dreams. These are my goals. Like, this is

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:07

the example I want to set for the kids. Like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:10

this is an example, but I want to set to them,

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:12

like, around love and family and community and

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:15

all these things. And my husband was like, yes,

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:19

like. And he shared his goals and dreams with me,

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:23

and it was. It honestly felt like a recommitment,

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:28

like, not only to ourselves, but to each other,

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:31

because we are so supportive of each other's

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:33

journeys. And that's when his journey started,

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:36

too. And even though he wasn't going through the

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:39

same, like, kind of personal growth and work that

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:41

I was working on at that point, like, somehow it

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:45

sparked something in him to start down his path

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:48

and his journey. And together, like, it just felt

Oksana Hanson: 00:39:50

like we were unstoppable.

Meredith Oke: 00:39:54

Oh, that's so beautiful and. And important. Like,

Meredith Oke: 00:39:57

it's. To have a partner who. Who gets it and who

Meredith Oke: 00:40:02

is on the ride with you makes a really big

Meredith Oke: 00:40:07

difference.

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:09

Yeah. And I'm like, okay, we're gonna homeschool

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:11

the children. He's like, that's really scary, but

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:15

okay. He's like, good for him.

Meredith Oke: 00:40:22

I'm going all the way. So how's that going?

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:31

So good. So good. And by the way, you question

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:37

yourself the whole way. You're like, am I doing

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:39

the right things? Like, and as the children get

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:43

older and smarter and, you know, I just focus on

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:49

knowing that you can learn lots and lots from

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:55

reading books and information. But I also love to

Oksana Hanson: 00:40:58

couple it with, like, experiential things. Like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:01

for instance, this weekend was President's Day

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:05

weekend, and so we went to New York City to see

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:09

the Statue of Liberty and Ellis island, and we

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:12

saw the play Hamilton. Right. Like, so it's.

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:15

People think, like, homeschooling is like, you're

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:18

sitting at a desk working all day long. Well,

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:20

yes, that's part of it. You know, everybody needs

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:23

to do math and be able to read and write at the

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:25

end of the day. But, like, it doesn't have to be

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:29

as difficult as you think it is in your head.

Oksana Hanson: 00:41:33

Like, it. It's actually pretty simple.

Meredith Oke: 00:41:37

Yes, it's true. I interviewed a woman during

Meredith Oke: 00:41:41

COVID I did a little series when the lockdowns

Meredith Oke: 00:41:43

were happening, and all of a sudden, our kids

Meredith Oke: 00:41:44

were home all day. So I just, like, did Facebook

Meredith Oke: 00:41:47

lives with People who knew how to do that. And I

Meredith Oke: 00:41:50

interviewed this mom who homeschooled. I think

Meredith Oke: 00:41:53

she had like five children. And she was like,

Meredith Oke: 00:41:55

yeah, we, we do school from 9 till 12. And then

Meredith Oke: 00:41:58

they go outside.

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:00

Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:42:00

Like the older one goes fishing and the younger

Meredith Oke: 00:42:03

ones do this and they, you know, they had a big

Meredith Oke: 00:42:05

property and in a rural situation and it was just

Meredith Oke: 00:42:09

like, yeah. And they're like ahead of all of the

Meredith Oke: 00:42:12

milestones according to the, you know, where

Meredith Oke: 00:42:14

they're supposed to be from the state law of

Meredith Oke: 00:42:17

whatever. And I was like, oh, okay. That's

Meredith Oke: 00:42:21

actually. So I hear what you're saying. Like,

Meredith Oke: 00:42:25

yeah, you just do it. It's not school, but at

Meredith Oke: 00:42:28

home it's a different experience.

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:31

Well, and like we take light breaks, right. So we

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:37

sit outside for sunrise every single morning, no

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:41

matter like what the weather is outside. And we

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:44

do our morning prayers together and reread

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:46

together like as family. And then we go inside

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:49

and we eat and we do a couple things and then we

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:52

go for our barefoot walk like around the block.

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:55

Then we do a couple, you know, a little bit more

Oksana Hanson: 00:42:57

of work and then we go for our three mile family

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:00

walk. Like it's, we're so circadian, like aligned

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:05

now and we get the flexibility to do that as a

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:07

family. And then like gymnastics and sports and

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:10

other things that my kids are doing, they're

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:12

doing that in the afternoon hours instead of the

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:14

night hours. Right. Like, so they're home by 4 or

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:16

5. We're having dinner together, we're getting

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:19

our blue blockers is on. We're spending that time

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:21

together as family before bed. Like, I remember

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:25

having them doing activities till like 8 o'clock

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:28

at night. We'd all be cranky, exhausted, hungry.

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:31

Like it was just, we were all going crazy. And

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:35

for what? Like, when you're homeschool, you can

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:39

have all the time that you want. You can put

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:41

sports activities in the morning. You have so

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:43

much flexibility to do what you want to do, to

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:47

like align your schedule with like our circadian

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:50

rhythm and how we're meant to like ancestrally

Oksana Hanson: 00:43:53

live. Right?

Meredith Oke: 00:43:55

Oh, that's so good. Yeah, it's true. The, the

Meredith Oke: 00:43:59

scheduling is, you know, it's crazy. My. Yeah,

Meredith Oke: 00:44:04

I'm on a, A board in this school district and we

Meredith Oke: 00:44:08

meet once a month and I wear my glasses and no

Meredith Oke: 00:44:12

one says anything. My kids are like, oh God. But

Meredith Oke: 00:44:17

yeah, we leave some. Sometimes that meeting goes

Meredith Oke: 00:44:19

till 9pm and I'm leaving and like there's kids

Meredith Oke: 00:44:22

playing basketball and the moms are waiting

Meredith Oke: 00:44:25

outside in the hall and like, they're not done

: 00:44:27

30 and.

Oksana Hanson: 00:44:29

Oh, my God, what?

Meredith Oke: 00:44:33

But yeah, it's, you know, when you're in school

: 00:44:36

30 and then you have. Yeah. The way that

: 00:44:41

our culture is set up, it's not. It's not

: 00:44:43

optimized. So let's. Okay, so let's circle back

: 00:44:46

to that because you. So you found the. The

: 00:44:49

circadian biology world, the quantum biology

: 00:44:52

world. And it's. You've, like, really integrated

: 00:44:59

those principles into your life. So you've just

: 00:45:01

told us a little bit about your day. Like, how

: 00:45:03

did that start out for you? And how has your

: 00:45:06

health been since. Since integrating a circadian

: 00:45:10

optimized lifestyle?

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:13

I think the biggest change was my emotional

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:17

health. And I know that's going to sound weird

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:19

because we were just talking about the C word,

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:20

cancer. But honestly, like, what I found was the

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:26

biggest change was spending more time outside.

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:29

Like, so I always tell people, I'm like, what can

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:31

you do today outside? What can you do that you've

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:36

planned today outside? So whether it's, you know,

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:39

like doing a walking meeting with your boss

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:42

outside instead of sitting, like, in the office,

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:45

taking your coffee break outside. Like, where can

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:48

you open a window? Right? Like, I felt this rush

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:53

of energy when I started waking up with the sun.

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:56

Like, I was one of these people that always used

Oksana Hanson: 00:45:58

an alarm clock, was staying up super, super late,

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:02

had insomnia. I would always wake up between 2

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:04

and 3 in the morning. And all of a sudden we

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:08

started watching the sunrise and blocking blue

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:10

light at night. And all of a sudden I was like a

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:12

different person. It was like, okay, well,

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:15

obviously being out in the sunlight makes me feel

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:17

good, so I want more of that. Like, right, you

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:21

get that dopamine rush and you're like, more of

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:24

what feels good. Okay, Being out in the sun feels

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:26

good. So all of a sudden, I'm tanning my skin

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:29

again, and we're buying a lake house so we could

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:32

spend more time outside barefoot, in the woods

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:35

and in the water. And I mean, it was this cascade

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:39

of, okay, we can build our. We can build our

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:44

perfect life. Like, we can literally build a life

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:47

around how we want to live. And somehow I think

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:52

living in California would have never given us

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:54

that freedom. But making that big change, moving

Oksana Hanson: 00:46:57

to Nashville, all of a sudden, we're like, oh, we

Oksana Hanson: 00:47:00

could do anything. Like, it felt like this

Oksana Hanson: 00:47:03

permission to make whatever life decisions we

Oksana Hanson: 00:47:07

wanted. Like, I don't know. I know that sounds

Oksana Hanson: 00:47:09

kind of weird, huh? It kind of sounds weird.

Meredith Oke: 00:47:11

No, that makes total sense. And I think it's

Meredith Oke: 00:47:15

another really important point to bring up is

Meredith Oke: 00:47:18

that, yeah, we feel like if this is the way

Meredith Oke: 00:47:21

things are, this is the way things have to be.

Meredith Oke: 00:47:24

And it's like whether it's in our, the way our

Meredith Oke: 00:47:27

lives are structured, our businesses are

Meredith Oke: 00:47:29

structured. Yeah. We are the architects. We can

Meredith Oke: 00:47:34

redesign anything at any moment. And if it feels

Meredith Oke: 00:47:38

impossible where we are, like, okay, well maybe,

Meredith Oke: 00:47:40

maybe it's somewhere else, but it's possible.

Meredith Oke: 00:47:44

Like all the things are possible. And I love that

Meredith Oke: 00:47:50

you leaned into that and made it real.

Oksana Hanson: 00:47:54

Yeah. And what's funny is. So my husband was very

Oksana Hanson: 00:47:57

skeptical. He's like, like skin type one, right.

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:02

He's like red beard, very blonde hair, very

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:05

white, see through skin. And he was like, how are

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:09

we not going to wear sunblock? And I'm like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:12

we're just going to test this. Like, we're going

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:14

to, you know, watch the sunrise. We're gonna go

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:17

for our UVA walk every morning. Right. Our body

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:20

has all these internal processes. Right. To

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:22

protect you from the sun. We're gonna, we're

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:24

gonna listen to this information and we're gonna

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:26

test it. So I remember it was like 101 degrees.

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:30

We were at this water park. It was black asphalt,

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:33

it was so hot outside. Our two kids are very,

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:38

very fair skinned as well. And he goes, we're not

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:41

putting on some block today. And I'm like, like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:43

nope. I go, but any sign of us, like getting pink

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:46

or red? Like, we'll get, you know, we'll take a

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:48

little break or whatnot. We spent all day at this

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:51

water park, Meredith. We were going to bed that

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:54

night. My husband goes, I cannot believe we're

Oksana Hanson: 00:48:56

not burnt to the crisp. And I'm like, huh, isn't

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:00

that funny? Isn't that funny?

Meredith Oke: 00:49:03

Like that interesting.

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:07

And that. Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:49:09

Building up your ability to be in the sun over,

Meredith Oke: 00:49:11

over time. Your skin was preconditioned. You knew

Meredith Oke: 00:49:14

how to do sensible sun exposure. And it's like

Meredith Oke: 00:49:18

four super fair skinned people, even a redhead.

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:22

Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:49:22

Outside all day and it's like, you're fine.

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:27

Yeah. It was just, it was this proof of like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:30

okay, this stuff is not like, woo, woo. This

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:34

stuff is real. Like we're testing it on

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:37

ourselves. We feel the best we've ever felt.

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:41

We're in the greatest shape of our life. Like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:43

and I feel so fulfilled too. Like emotionally,

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:47

spiritually fulfilled of like teaching this

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:50

information to other people. There's nothing that

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:53

brings me more joy than talking about this and

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:56

meeting all the interesting people in our

Oksana Hanson: 00:49:58

community. Like you and I were talking about

Oksana Hanson: 00:50:00

before. We started this podcast is like, it is

Oksana Hanson: 00:50:04

some of the best people in this community. Like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:50:07

everyone's so loving and supportive and so

Oksana Hanson: 00:50:09

passionate about what they do. It's just the best.

Meredith Oke: 00:50:14

Yeah, it's really, it's really amazing. It's like

Meredith Oke: 00:50:17

when you, you know, because, yeah, I've made some

Meredith Oke: 00:50:21

choices to veer off the, off the main path. And

Meredith Oke: 00:50:25

it's like once you do and you're off, you know,

Meredith Oke: 00:50:29

on your tangent, then you're surrounded by other

Meredith Oke: 00:50:31

people who also made that choice. And so there's

Meredith Oke: 00:50:35

a sense of freedom, I think, amongst people who,

Meredith Oke: 00:50:40

you know, because they're like, yeah, I did the

Meredith Oke: 00:50:44

weird thing, I did the hard thing. And like, here

Meredith Oke: 00:50:46

I am. It's all fine. And yeah, we have like a

Meredith Oke: 00:50:49

bigger purpose guiding us, you know, and we're

Meredith Oke: 00:50:55

all, we're all like on the same page with that.

Meredith Oke: 00:50:59

And so I love. Because so now what's coming to

Meredith Oke: 00:51:02

fruition on your journey with this is an in

Meredith Oke: 00:51:05

person retreat which is coming up June 2025 in

Meredith Oke: 00:51:11

Tennessee. So you and Carrie Bennett have put

Meredith Oke: 00:51:15

this together. Like, tell us about that, how it

Meredith Oke: 00:51:17

came to be, what it's going to be like.

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:21

Yeah, so I think after Covid, we were all kind of

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:24

craving that human connection. And this QVC was

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:28

just such a small community and we had known all

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:31

these people and built these friendships and

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:33

relationships, but yet never met anybody in

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:35

person. And so I was up in the Detroit area

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:42

seeing an explant specialist to get my implants

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:44

taken out and I was like, carrie, I'm close to

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:47

you. I'm going to come by and let's have a

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:50

coffee. And her and I got talking. It was so

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:52

great because we'd known each other for a couple

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:54

years now, and we're like, we've never seen each

Oksana Hanson: 00:51:58

other in person. And I go, man, just feels like

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:01

we need to put some kind of event together to

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:04

have everybody in the same place. And as we all

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:07

know, like, we are energetically connected. I'm

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:10

like, we. How magical would it be if we all came

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:14

together like in person? And that's where this

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:18

idea of this in person retreat came to be. And we

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:24

spent like a really good six months, like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:27

looking for the perfect location that was like

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:30

circadian friendly and, you know, finally found

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:33

this like old reclaimed rock quarry that's on 160

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:37

acres right outside of Nashville. So it's like

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:39

close to a major airport, but yet just far

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:42

enough. It's got this beautiful waterfall and

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:45

this huge barn. And we're like, yes, we can get

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:50

some of the smartest people, like smartest minds

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:53

in this industry together, ask them to talk about

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:57

something they've never talked about publicly

Oksana Hanson: 00:52:59

before. So this is going to be like a very unique

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:05

kind of approach to what people are going to talk

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:08

about and get everybody in one room with like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:12

you know, slide away doors. So the barn is open

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:15

to the outside with water running there and we

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:19

have some really beautiful, like really quantum

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:23

aligned vendors that are coming to kind of

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:25

showcase and sell some of their products and

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:28

bring different tools that people might not

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:30

necessarily get to experience in their day to day

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:33

life. And so it's just we've been curating and

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:36

working on this for like over a year now just to

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:41

make it like super, super special, but very again

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:45

like aligned with our principles and like

Oksana Hanson: 00:53:47

everything that we stand for.

Meredith Oke: 00:53:51

I love it. I'm so excited for this. I think it's

Meredith Oke: 00:53:55

amazing what you're doing and yeah, there's,

Meredith Oke: 00:53:58

there's nothing like in person connection and you

Meredith Oke: 00:54:03

know, when you're out, when you're involved in

Meredith Oke: 00:54:06

something that's like really, really not

Meredith Oke: 00:54:09

mainstream. The technology is a beautiful thing.

Meredith Oke: 00:54:12

Right. Because we can be connected across all the

Meredith Oke: 00:54:15

geographies and find each other, but at the same

Meredith Oke: 00:54:19

time. Yeah. Then to have to have a real life

Meredith Oke: 00:54:24

opportunity to be in each other's physical

Meredith Oke: 00:54:29

presence is just so profound. So that I think

Meredith Oke: 00:54:32

it's going to be just a gorgeous event. I'm so

Meredith Oke: 00:54:35

thrilled that what you, you and Carrie have, have

Meredith Oke: 00:54:38

put together and I highly encourage everybody to

Meredith Oke: 00:54:41

go. So the, the website is. What's the website? I

Meredith Oke: 00:54:50

will put it in the show notes for sure. And

Meredith Oke: 00:54:53

Carrie and Oksana have very kindly offered a, a

Meredith Oke: 00:54:56

10% discount if for the code QBC. You put that

Meredith Oke: 00:55:00

when you check out. And it is.

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:05

I should have put it up. Carrie B. Wellness.com

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:10

forward/retreat.

Meredith Oke: 00:55:11

Okay. Oh, so it's, you can just find it through

Meredith Oke: 00:55:13

Carrie's website.

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:14

Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:55:15

Okay. Yeah. So Caribbean Wellness Forward slash

Meredith Oke: 00:55:17

retreat. Put the, put QVC in. It's at the end of

Meredith Oke: 00:55:22

June 2025 for a couple of days. And yeah, it's

Meredith Oke: 00:55:27

going to be magical and fun and I, I feel like

Meredith Oke: 00:55:31

it'll be one of those things that will just for

Meredith Oke: 00:55:34

everyone who, who's able to attend will like just

Meredith Oke: 00:55:37

be a big battery recharge in, in whatever way you

Meredith Oke: 00:55:42

need.

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:44

Um, I was talking to Carrie this morning and she

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:47

said that she just had this vision of like we

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:49

were at the retreat and there was just smiles

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:52

everywhere and the energy was insane. I was like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:55

yes, like this is gonna Be one of those. Like, it

Oksana Hanson: 00:55:59

feels surreal because all of these people, like,

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:03

that we've been aligned with, like, you know,

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:05

we're. We've kind of. I'm gonna say this for

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:09

myself, not other people. Like, I kind of felt

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:11

weird, right? Like, I'm the odd man out amongst

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:14

all my friends and all these people talking about

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:17

the sun and the healing power of the earth and

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:19

all these things. And now I'm like, I get to be

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:22

in a room full of all these people, like, with

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:25

the same mindset, and pick their brains behind

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:29

the scenes. Pick their brains of these really,

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:33

really smart people with all these interesting

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:36

views on the world and our body and how

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:39

everything works and coincides together. It's

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:41

gonna be amazing.

Meredith Oke: 00:56:42

Yeah, it's gonna be really fun. Tell me some of

Meredith Oke: 00:56:45

the speakers.

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:47

So we have Stephen Hussey, Danielle Hamilton, we

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:52

have Sarah Pugh, Sarah Kleiner, and I'm sure

Oksana Hanson: 00:56:57

there's a lot more information. That's amazing.

Meredith Oke: 00:56:59

Well, they're right there.

Oksana Hanson: 00:57:01

Yes, they're on the website.

Meredith Oke: 00:57:04

Yeah, no, just. Just a little. Just a handful.

Meredith Oke: 00:57:07

Sneak peek. Yes. So I. Yeah, I really, really

Meredith Oke: 00:57:11

want to encourage anybody who's listening if you

Meredith Oke: 00:57:14

felt like that little, like, jolt or impulse of,

Meredith Oke: 00:57:16

like, oh, my God, that sounds so fun. Like, do

Meredith Oke: 00:57:19

whatever you need to do to get there, because it

Meredith Oke: 00:57:22

will really be worth it. And these opportunities,

Meredith Oke: 00:57:25

you know, they don't happen all the time. So

Meredith Oke: 00:57:29

putting on a live event is no small. It's no

Meredith Oke: 00:57:34

small thing. It's a really big endeavor. So I

Meredith Oke: 00:57:37

think it's really important that we support them

Meredith Oke: 00:57:40

and show up if. If at all possible, because they

Meredith Oke: 00:57:44

really matter. And it's, I think, important to

Meredith Oke: 00:57:49

the. To the growth of this message, to the growth

Meredith Oke: 00:57:52

of this community and all of it.

Oksana Hanson: 00:57:55

Thank you, Meredith. And I guess, like, I just

Oksana Hanson: 00:57:58

want to say, like, I think everyone has a. Their

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:00

own definition for, like, quantum health, but for

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:03

me, like, I really look at it from, like, a

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:08

spiritual, emotional, and physical standpoint.

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:11

And so the experiences that we've kind of curated

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:15

at this retreat are going to touch each of those.

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:20

Each of those areas. And so we'll have some great

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:24

speakers, and then we'll go outside and maybe do

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:26

a breath work. We'll have another speaker. We'll

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:28

go outside and jump into an ice bath. We'll have

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:31

another speaker, and maybe we'll go do yoga,

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:34

Right? There's. There's going to be, like, a

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:36

sound bath. Like, there's going to be all these

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:38

experiences that are going to kind of help you to

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:42

integrate the learnings and the information, and

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:46

then also do things together as a group of people

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:48

with, like, bonding things. Like, if you've never

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:50

done an ice bath, like, this is the best way to

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:54

experience it when you have other people around

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:56

you, like, cheering you on. The weather's going

Oksana Hanson: 00:58:59

to be great. It's going to be hot outside, so

Oksana Hanson: 00:59:00

you're going to want to jump in the ice bath.

Oksana Hanson: 00:59:02

But, yeah, it's definitely not going to be this,

Oksana Hanson: 00:59:05

like, stuffy. You're sitting in a conference room

Oksana Hanson: 00:59:09

learning material. Like, it's going to be some

Oksana Hanson: 00:59:11

amazing speakers, but it's going to be some

Oksana Hanson: 00:59:13

amazing kind of transformative experiences, I'll

Oksana Hanson: 00:59:17

say.

Meredith Oke: 00:59:17

As well, fun, fully immersive. Sounds so good.

Meredith Oke: 00:59:24

And. And, yeah, and I think these types of events

Meredith Oke: 00:59:27

and are leading the way into a paradigm where we

Meredith Oke: 00:59:31

stop with all of the compartmentalizing of

Meredith Oke: 00:59:34

physical health versus mental health versus

Meredith Oke: 00:59:36

emotional health versus psychological versus

Meredith Oke: 00:59:38

virtual. It's like, yeah, from a quantum biologic

Meredith Oke: 00:59:42

perspective, it's all the same. It's. It's. You

Meredith Oke: 00:59:47

know, and I hear so many stories of, yeah, like,

Meredith Oke: 00:59:51

something starts, you have a physical symptom

Meredith Oke: 00:59:54

that leads to a spiritual awakening, or you have

Meredith Oke: 00:59:56

a spiritual awakening that leads to a wanting to

Meredith Oke: 00:59:58

take better care of your physical body. You know,

Meredith Oke: 01:00:00

like, it's, you know, so I think this idea of

Meredith Oke: 01:00:05

acne, you know, honoring that with the way that

Meredith Oke: 01:00:08

you've structured the event is, you know, the way

Meredith Oke: 01:00:12

forward, the way of the future. Any other last

Meredith Oke: 01:00:16

thoughts, Oksana?

Oksana Hanson: 01:00:18

No. Thank you so much for having me on today. I

Oksana Hanson: 01:00:20

really appreciate it.

Meredith Oke: 01:00:22

Well, thank you for sharing your story. It was

Meredith Oke: 01:00:25

truly, truly an honor to go, you know, to hear

Meredith Oke: 01:00:28

you share that journey and to be able to

Meredith Oke: 01:00:32

articulate the different choice points that you

Meredith Oke: 01:00:36

faced and how you navigated them. And I really

Meredith Oke: 01:00:40

love the message that you're leaving with people

Meredith Oke: 01:00:43

of that. Like, we can. We can make our lives

Meredith Oke: 01:00:47

different. You know, we don't. It's possible and

Meredith Oke: 01:00:54

whatever that looks like for each person, but,

Meredith Oke: 01:00:57

you know, you're a living example of that, and

Meredith Oke: 01:00:59

that's really, really powerful. So much gratitude

Meredith Oke: 01:01:03

to you and your lovely husband. Good for him for

Meredith Oke: 01:01:07

getting on the ride.

Oksana Hanson: 01:01:10

Thank you. We truly say, like, we truly think

Oksana Hanson: 01:01:13

that we are living heaven on earth, and that is

Oksana Hanson: 01:01:15

within reach for everybody, so.

Meredith Oke: 01:01:18

Oh, that's beautiful. Thank you for being here,

Meredith Oke: 01:01:21

Oksana.

Oksana Hanson: 01:01:22

Thank you.