Episode 144

144: Is Modern Medicine Missing Something Big with Kathleen Horstmeyer

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"Small hinges swing big doors," says Kathleen Horstmeyer, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to share her remarkable journey from allopathic medicine to quantum biology. With decades of experience in respiratory therapy, cardiac ultrasound, and naturopathy, Kathleen reveals how a simple patch technology has transformed lives more effectively than years of conventional treatments. She discusses the power of infrared light, the importance of circadian rhythms, and why sometimes the smallest interventions can lead to the most significant breakthroughs in health.

Tune in to today's episode to learn why Kathleen believes we're at the cusp of a paradigm shift in health and wellness, and how understanding our bodies as electromagnetic beings can unlock unprecedented healing potential. Discover the surprising connection between quantum biology and everyday health practices, and why Kathleen is on a mission to "patch a billion people" with this groundbreaking technology.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Explore quantum biology as a foundational operating system for health. It provides a framework that can enhance the effectiveness of other approaches like allopathic medicine, naturopathy, and supplements.

2. Consider trying LifeWave patches as a simple, non-invasive way to potentially boost energy and wellbeing. Even small improvements in energy can help people make bigger positive changes.

3. Pay attention to your circadian rhythms and light exposure. Getting morning sunlight and reducing artificial light at night can have profound effects on health.

4. Be open to new health technologies and approaches, even if they seem unconventional. Things like phototherapy and structured water may offer benefits beyond traditional methods.

5. Join health-focused communities like QVC Free to connect with like-minded people and stay informed about emerging health concepts and technologies. Collective knowledge can be powerful for improving personal and global health.

Memorable Quotes

"We respond to whispers, you know, like your mom soothing you as opposed to screaming at you. Our body responds to that really small amount of infrared light. Even more than my really big lights."
"Between the two of us, we have nearly 30 years of training and schooling and we've seen more needles moved with this stuff than all of the other things we've done all these years."
"If you can move the needle enough in a small thing like these patches, it can change someone's entire life. They can start going out in the morning, they can start eating better and doing all the things better just because of that."

Connect with Kathleen

Website - https://kathleenhorstmeyer.com/

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathleen-horstmeyer-9b9ab8377/

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

Kathleen Horstmeyer, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Happy to be here. Happy to be here.

Meredith Oke:

I'm just, like, smiling and smiling. Friends,

Meredith Oke:

I've been trying to get Kathleen to do a podcast

Meredith Oke:

interview for, like, three years, and she's

Meredith Oke:

always like, no, no, no, I don't do that.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Finally, finally, you know, when you're around

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the big brains that I'm around, I'm like, why

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

would I do this? But here I am.

Meredith Oke:

So here you are. And I want to say that, first of

Meredith Oke:

all, you have a big brain. Second of all, the

Meredith Oke:

people who hang out around the big brains are

Meredith Oke:

often more useful than the big brains themselves

Meredith Oke:

to certain people. Right. Like, not everybody can

Meredith Oke:

digest all the things all the time. And so to

Meredith Oke:

hear how the information and the knowledge has

Meredith Oke:

been alchemized through you is going to be, you

Meredith Oke:

know, it's super helpful. It's helped me many,

Meredith Oke:

many times talking things through with you.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Thank you.

Meredith Oke:

Hearing how you explain them. So, yeah, let's go.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Let's do it.

Meredith Oke:

All right, so you've been around the health space

Meredith Oke:

for decades. You did allopathic to naturopathic,

Meredith Oke:

naturopathic to quantum biologic. Like, tell us

Meredith Oke:

about that journey.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Okay, well, I'll try to go as quick as I can on

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that part. But I started with becoming a

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respiratory therapist, registered respiratory

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therapist, and worked in the icu, specifically,

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mainly in the icu, the ER and in high risk ob,

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wherever there was drama. And I did helicopter

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flights. You know, I was a young kid who was

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addicted to stress and drama. And so wherever I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

could find that, that's where I was.

Meredith Oke:

Lots of adrenaline. So does that mean if there

Meredith Oke:

was a crisis that involved someone having

Meredith Oke:

difficulty breathing, you would be brought in? Is

Meredith Oke:

that what that means?

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah, I did the tubing or putting the innovation

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tubes in them and was responsible for their

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respiratory care. And when high risk births came

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out, I, you know, was. I got handed the baby

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straight away to take care of them and get them

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on a ventilator and, you know, flew people with

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accidents and, you know, every kind of trauma

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imaginable to a trauma center. And so, yeah, I

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was addicted to the adrenaline trauma. And then I

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had also, when I had gone to school for that,

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there was another thing that you could do, which

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was cardiac ultrasound, which. Which is really

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what I wanted to do. But you had to do your

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clinicals far away. And I had a young son at the

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time, so that wasn't an option. But I ended up

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befriending the instructors, and it ended up.

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They let me kind of go through the program

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unofficially. And then one of the cardiologists

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that I worked with as a respiratory therapist, he

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got interested in that, and I was like, I've

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always wanted to do that. So away we went, and we

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started doing that and started doing ultrasound.

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And of everything at that time, it was kind of

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the wild West. There wasn't a lot of. There was

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protocols for cardiac, but there wasn't a lot for

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vascular, the rest of the arteries and veins. So,

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you know, I'd gone to meetings and, you know, as

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my life has been, you know, just like one huge

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blessing after another. I met. Turned out I met,

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and didn't know it at the time, the head of the

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University of Washington's vascular surgery

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program. And he was, in fact, the head guy that

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was making up. Not making up, but researching

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diagnostic criteria for the entire world on how

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to use ultrasound in a diagnostic way for

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vascular, veins, arteries, everywhere in the

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body. And he ended up asking me if I wanted to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

come be part of that, which was a miracle.

Meredith Oke:

That's incredible.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

So you were part of the team that was really

Meredith Oke:

pioneering this technology to be used in this way.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes. And we didn't really have, at that time,

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even diagnostic. We didn't even really have a

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university curriculum set up. So I was sort of

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their guinea pig, and I was the baby of the

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group. You know, everybody was in their 40s, 50s,

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some people in their 60s, and I was in my 20s. So

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I was the guinea pig and got to do research and

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take different courses. So we figured out what

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would be proficient for a person to do what we

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were creating, how to get a degree in it. So

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anyway, I had that. And then also in that circle

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was, like, the other big guy was Dr. Eugene

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Bernstein out of Scripps Research Clinic in La

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Jolla. And I went down there to a meeting and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

ended up not knowing, again, who this guy was

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that I started chatting with. And he offered me

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to come down and work with them in their research

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clinic. And he was putting another piece of that

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puzzle together. So I had just this, you know,

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like, amazing gift to work with these two guys

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and ended up coming out of that as really one of

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the top people in the country. And I was the baby

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of that. The rest of the people were, like I

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said, in their 40s and 50s. And so from that,

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then I went on to run a very large diagnostic

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cardiology and vascular diagnostics in Indiana,

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where I was living at the time. And I trained

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surgeons and cardiologists from all over the

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world in how to do that. And then I was also a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

physician extender for that group and read their

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studies as well. So I was deeply entrenched in

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the allopathic world and loved it, I did. And

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then I had my second child way later than my

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first and I delivered him when I was 40. And

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after that, shortly after that. And I've always

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been like, extremely healthy, like a health nut,

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exercise fanatic. And when I had him, I noticed I

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was, you know, I was really. All of a sudden I

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was tired. I was so tired I started losing my

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hair and I. And anyway, ended up going and

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finding out I had hypothyroid and, and they, and.

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And, you know, I'd never been on the other end of

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the stick.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I'd always been.

Meredith Oke:

You were always the person called in in an

Meredith Oke:

emergency. You were the person training the

Meredith Oke:

doctors.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. Let me tell you. But. But while somebody

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

was telling me what to do and, and that there was

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something wrong with me, and that was a real eye.

Meredith Oke:

And.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It didn't really work. And they just kept. My

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

doctor just kept adding medicine and medicine and

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it wasn't really working.

Meredith Oke:

So you were just at your family doctor, your gp?

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes, yes.

Meredith Oke:

So they diagnosed the condition.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I went and got. Because I didn't have a doctor, I

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didn't need a doctor.

Meredith Oke:

You were always healthy.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Right. And so with that, I started doing my own

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

investigation because it didn't seem like they

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really knew. And I started researching, of

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course, and it seemed like, you know, well, okay,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

so why do you have hypothyroid? And why does this

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medicine not work? Or work sometimes or a little

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bit. So it started me down a path and that just

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kept going and I ended up reading Dr. Blalock's

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book on toxic brains and learning about MSG and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

all the things. And anyway, I ended up going

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through my cupboards and I took basically

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everything out of it because every. Almost

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

everything that's packaged has it had it in it.

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So I put it out on my table and I told my friends

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and family that came over, I'm getting rid of

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this stuff. If you want it, take it. But this is

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why I'm not going to use it. They all thought, of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

course, I was crazy. And anyway, that. And that

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

just kept going like that.

Meredith Oke:

One thing led to the other. Yes, okay, If MSG in

Meredith Oke:

my brain has an effect. Oh, what about this? Oh,

Meredith Oke:

what about this?

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Then I got into the dyes, and of course, we use a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

lot of dye in diagnostics. And I started kind of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

just waking up really, and seeing what we were

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Doing. And for the most part, or really probably

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nearly 100%, is nobody. You're trained. This is

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what you do, and that's what you do, and this is

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how we do it. And I started stepping out of that

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and seeing just a whole different way of thinking

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and then also the political part of it. And I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

won't go too deep into this because I don't want

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

to get you in trouble on your podcast here, but

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

what happened in 1913 when so many things were

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

changed by a particular foundation that came in

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and changed the medical schooling, kicked out the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

nature pass, brought in licensure, made the irs,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

made the, you know, just the banking system, the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

whole thing made the American Cancer Society was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

developed in 1913. Then they took over the food

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and everything else. And so I kind of felt like I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

was discovering something. It seemed like no one

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

knew.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Of course they did.

Meredith Oke:

Is this. Is this a Rockefeller stuff?

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. So anyway, it was sort of like waking up in

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the Matrix, and you're in the Matrix and all your

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

people are in the matrix, but you're kind of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

unplugging. And anyway, that's how I then got

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into the naturopathic. I just started looking at

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more and more and more things and just took on a

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whole different color than what I thought I was

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in. Not that, you know, all of those things don't

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help in certain situations. I wouldn't say that,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

but there are better ways and certainly. And then

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I started down the better ways and started

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studying the naturopath. I'm also married. My

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husband's a medical doctor and a dentist, and

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he's never been into allopathic stuff. Like, I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

was always like, why don't you? You should. And

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

he's like, no, I. You know, I don't really like

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drugs.

Meredith Oke:

Good for him.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. He was always on the outskirts of. Of that,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and I was always, like, trying to kick him in,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

like, you know, get in there and, you know,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you're brilliant. You just. You need to just

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start using. Learn how to use these protocols

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better or more. So we started both then looking

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into the naturopathic stuff, and I looked at the

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schools in. There's a school, or was a school

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actually a licensed school in Connecticut, and it

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went out of business. And then one in which I had

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started and then one in Chicago, and.

Meredith Oke:

These are naturopathic schools. Naturopathic

Meredith Oke:

colleges. Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes. And they were. They were licensed program,

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which, you know, that was my orientation, was to

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be licensed and.

Meredith Oke:

Right. Because in the allopathic world, that's

Meredith Oke:

required like you can't do anything unless you're

Meredith Oke:

licensed. But now we're in the new 13.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

That's when they brought in the licensure.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And I have the utmost respect for the people who

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have gone through that. However, there was a

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purpose in the licensure that came about in 1913

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and that was control. It was to control. Because

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ultimately now. And now we're, we. We saw it four

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or five years ago that then they have control

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

over, you know, you. Where you can work.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. If you're not following practice, if you

Meredith Oke:

don't stay within their right parameters.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

Your license is revoked and you can no longer

Meredith Oke:

earn a living.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And it never used to be that way. You know,

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before that don't. Doctors and nature paths went.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Went to medical school and then they had their

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internships and that was their, their badge of,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you know, I'm. I know what I'm doing.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And that. So that got turned upside down. So

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anyway, telling you that story is because then I

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thought, you know, I don't think I want another

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

license. And my husband agreed. So we went then

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

to a place called Trinity. At that time it was a

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university. It then got. They downgraded

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themselves to a school or to a college and then

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to a school. And we went through. That's where we

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finished when we, both of us got our naturopathic

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doctorates. And then we went to the anma, the

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American Naturopathic Medical Association. We

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took their boards for our board certification.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

So we're sort of, you know, we, we. We very much

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

are supportive of. Of that system because it's

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

not controlling the person and what they can do.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Like, they can't take my certification from me.

Meredith Oke:

They can't take it away.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

No, no, it's.

Meredith Oke:

And I had a really interesting conversation with

Meredith Oke:

the president of the anma.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Who you introduced me to. And yeah, that was sort

Meredith Oke:

of the backbone of his approach and have his

Meredith Oke:

understanding of the importance of that

Meredith Oke:

organization. And he was like, there are two ways

Meredith Oke:

to go. There's the licensing way and the

Meredith Oke:

certification way. And he said licensing is

Meredith Oke:

important and it serves a purpose and it keeps

Meredith Oke:

standards high. But he said, however, yeah, there

Meredith Oke:

is a control mechanism in there where it also can

Meredith Oke:

stop people from practicing the way they want to

Meredith Oke:

or the way their own research and experience has

Meredith Oke:

led them to because it's contradicting the rules

Meredith Oke:

of their licenser body. Licensing body. Whereas a

Meredith Oke:

certification also, you have standards and you

Meredith Oke:

have to make. You have to, you know, meet the

Meredith Oke:

same or similar standards, but you can't take

Meredith Oke:

anything away from people.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Right, right. And so what it excludes us from

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

doing is, you know, we can't order drugs. So it

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

worked out.

Meredith Oke:

So that works out.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

So your husband then is an m. Has a. Is a medical

Meredith Oke:

doctor, a dentist and a naturopath.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Correct.

Meredith Oke:

All right, and then you are a naturopath plus

Meredith Oke:

the. All of your other medical training.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Registered respiratory therapist and a registered

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

vascular specialist. Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

All right. It's a lot of trading in your

Meredith Oke:

household.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It's like, it's ridiculous. It's silly.

Meredith Oke:

What do you guys talk about at dinner?

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Bitcoin. Good choice.

Meredith Oke:

Good choice.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

So anyway, that's the path we got down and loved

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

it. And then we ended up. We had built this, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, we had 80 acres in Indiana, built this

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

massive, like, 8,000 square foot home with suites

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

in it for the purpose of having a retreat center.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, wow.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And then we also had a retreat center for horses.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

We were a horse rescue as well. So we were

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

rescuing everything, including ourselves.

Meredith Oke:

I've done. Wow.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. So. And it allowed me. I was able to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

homeschool my son, our youngest son. And it also,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

because I was then moved from working all the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

time at the hospital to I read studies from home

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

with, you know, all the Internet and all the fast

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

speeds and all that that came in. So then I was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

home and I could start. We could open up our

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

naturopathic clinic and I could do the horse

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

rescue and homeschool. So that was.

Meredith Oke:

That's a full plate.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It was. It was, yeah.

Meredith Oke:

So you were reading the studies for the vascular

Meredith Oke:

for the surgeon and the cardiologist?

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah, and then I went in, you know, a few days a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

month and ran meetings and. And did teaching.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

When all the new fellows would come in, I would

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

go in and do classes for them.

Meredith Oke:

Right, and then go back to your. And then go back

Meredith Oke:

to your patients and your homeschooling.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

What a robust life. I love it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It really did start being. Feeling like the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Matrix, like, you know, when I'd go back in,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

because then, you know, all the drugs and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

everything that I had been, you know,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

recommending and supporting and encouraging

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

people to use, I. I started, you know, trying to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

talk to my. My colleagues and they were like,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

what are you smoking? And I was like, well, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, just consider this and that. And they, they

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

would just laugh at me. So. And I got it because

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I. I had a doctor when I was younger that was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

kind of into all of this and we used to make fun

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

of him and I think of him all the time because I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Became him. And I thought, oh, yes, here we go.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Some karmic stuff straight away, right away.

Meredith Oke:

So funny how that happens. Yeah. We've become the

Meredith Oke:

thing we rolled our eyes at. And then one day

Meredith Oke:

we're like, oh, yes. Oh, yes, the idiot.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. So then it was about

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

2015 or 16 now, I think. 2015, 2016. And I came

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

across. Because there was. It was. For me, it was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

always, I love learning. I love it. It's. I could

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

probably say there's a little bit of an addiction

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

there to learning.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, we all got a touch of that.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. So I, I came across Jack. Jack Cruz, which

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

so many of us, you know, did. And he started, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, he was extreme and wild, which was a little

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

like, oh, I hate this. Oh, I like this. Oh, I,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you know, it was jarring and. And then, And I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

loved, you know, I, you know, was in full time

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

with that group and looked at all of this stuff

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and it was just mind blowing for me. I was just,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

oh, my gosh, this really is the missing piece.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

But I couldn't really grab it all the way. It was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

sort of like, it was just like that, you know,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that far from me. And I couldn't really grab hold

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

of it. And then along came Meredith Oak and the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Institute of Applied Quantum Biology. And I had,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you know, become a member of your quantum TV and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

then heard of, you know, your program. And by

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

then we had sold our. Our place in Indiana, moved

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

back to where I'm from in Coeur d', Alene, Idaho.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And I just helped my best friend pass. She had

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

cancer and had come back for her. And so I was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

like, well, you know, what's my next chapter? And

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I was gonna volunteer at a. It's called Heart of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Hope here in town. And it was a. It's an

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

alternative medical community that they were

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

caring for people in 2020 and 2021 that, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, didn't want to go to the hospitals. And

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

then I signed up and had a call with you and you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

told me what, you know, what was the institute

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

was about. And I was like, well, well, yeah, I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

gotta do that. So I did, like, literally when I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

got off the phone, ka ching with the credit card

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and started the program, I didn't even know there

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

was a cohort. I just started it. And I started it

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

on Friday night. I'm not sure how long I slept,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

but it wasn't long that weekend. And I went

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

through. This is embarrassing, but it's true. I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

went through the whole program that weekend.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Like, I Couldn't stop. I'm laying on my office

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

floor and I'm, you know, laying outside or I'm in

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the car, but I'm it. I couldn't stop it. And then

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I actually went through with the cohort. And then

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

in one of your coaching sessions you said, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, just write these things down. And I was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

thinking, well, I'm not going to do this. This is

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

silly. Write down, you know, what comes to your

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

mind and what you want to do. And I thought, no,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

wait a minute, I'm in this program and I'm gonna

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

do it. And so I'm gonna do what she's saying. And

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I started writing and it just didn't stop. And it

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

just went and went and went. And that night I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

couldn't sleep. I was so excited about one what

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I've learned in the program, the quantum biology

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

because I was actually able to touch it as I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

wasn't earlier from the other from Dr. Cruz. And

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

then what I had started writing was this has to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

get out to the world. This is the missing piece.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And it doesn't have an expiration date. It it and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

it doesn't. It's free for the most part and the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

information and it's for everyone. And there's no

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

respect of person. There's no pred prejudice of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

it. And it's the operating system and all these

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

other things we've been laying on there,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

allopathic, naturopathic supplements, whatever

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that your gig is. We've missed the operating

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

system that those things should be laying on top

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

of. And so I, I reached out to you and I was

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

like, I, you know, I think this has got to get in

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the schools. It's got to get in the in hot. You

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, what, what do you think of this? And you're

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

like, and you were so, you know, kind like yeah,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that's great. I said I think I've got to get this

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

into the all the nature method school. You were

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

very encouraging and, and kind and encouraging.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And then I asked you, I said I really want to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

help, I want to do this and be involved in it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And you were also kind again. And I started

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

helping with you know, the getting the school

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

accredited and the certification and all of that.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And it's just been such, such a life changing

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

thing for me. Another highlight, you know, just

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

again, you're like the doctors I met in the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

research. I didn't know.

Meredith Oke:

This is a, you know, this is a thread through

Meredith Oke:

your life. You just are your beautiful self, warm

Meredith Oke:

and engaging and everyone's like, oh, I would

Meredith Oke:

like to work with you, me included.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

That's kind of you to say, but, yeah, it's been

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

such a marvelous ride.

Meredith Oke:

That was my experience and, you know, having you.

Meredith Oke:

So for those of you who don't know, like, part of

Meredith Oke:

what Kathleen does is, like, facilitate. You've

Meredith Oke:

been facilitating all of the faculty calls inside

Meredith Oke:

of the cohort, which is, like, the live piece of

Meredith Oke:

the applied Quantum biology certification. And I

Meredith Oke:

love, like, you're just, like, the perfect person

Meredith Oke:

to do that and hold the space for people and

Meredith Oke:

help, you know, help people bring all their

Meredith Oke:

questions through. And you have heard, because I

Meredith Oke:

used to sit on the calls, and then we met, and

Meredith Oke:

I'm like, oh, Kathleen should sit on the calls.

Meredith Oke:

And so, like, one of my favorite things is when

Meredith Oke:

we check in and you tell me, like, oh, my gosh,

Meredith Oke:

these calls are so good. These people are so

Meredith Oke:

amazing. These questions are so good, and the

Meredith Oke:

answers are just blowing my mind. So, like, tell

Meredith Oke:

me, sort of tell me what that was like, because

Meredith Oke:

you've been sitting in listening to people bring

Meredith Oke:

their specialized training and experience from

Meredith Oke:

whatever their field is and, like, watching in

Meredith Oke:

real time as they integrate it with this quantum

Meredith Oke:

biologic operating system.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah, well, I, you know, I really is my greatest

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

honor. And I, you know, and. And I don't do

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

anything, you know, like, I've told you a monkey

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

could do this. You know, I. I just sit there and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I get to listen to these just, you know, the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

faculty, they're just the most wonderful people,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the smartest people. And it just, you know,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

almost three years of doing this. Every time I'm

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

just. Every single call, I'm just amazed at what

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

comes out. And to the same degree, the people

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that are coming through it. You know, we have

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

artists, we have physical therapists, we have OB

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

GYNs, we have anesthesiologists. We just had a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

orthopedic surgeon, eye doctors, health coaches,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

people working with horses. I mean, it's very.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And you're thinking. And I'm always thinking when

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I hear them, because we do a welcome call, and I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

hear what they do, and I think, wow, I wonder

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

what they're, you know, how are they going to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

use? I wonder what they're going to do or what

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

they're going to ask. And it's always so deep, so

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

wonderful. And I mean, I don't know. And I know

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

we have talked about so many different things

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that have come out. One we were just talking

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

about was our anesthesiologist that went through

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the program and another cohort person that has

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

gone through the program, had discovered high

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

levels of some things in her HTMA testing and is

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

went to a super, super smart, excellent physician

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and even stumped them. And. But through what our

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

anesthesiologist who went through this program

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and then discovered in being an anesthesiologist

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and what that does, it answered the question for

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

this person not to get into the details of it,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

but that's just one of the, you know, so many

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

things people, another person in particular, she,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

her husband has had a stroke and it was in a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

nursing home long term care. And she was a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

practitioner and committed to doing everything

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

she could. And she came through the course, took

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the information to then share with the nursing

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

homes long term care facilities about lights that

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

are left on all night and what that does for

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

circadian rhythms. And it's just changing so many

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

things. School, teachers, we have a home designer

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that's designing homes to make us stay in our

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

natural rhythms. And gosh, it just goes on and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

on. It's so amazing. Meredith, what you and Jason

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

have done, it's just wow, what a legacy I feel, I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

mean truly. And now we have a board certification

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

for our practitioners that they can get, they can

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

become board certified in quantum biology. Be a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

board certified quantum biology practitioner. Oh,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

does the world not need more of that?

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And thank you for your role in that. You are

Meredith Oke:

really instrumental in making that happen. And I,

Meredith Oke:

you know, I love what you're saying because

Meredith Oke:

that's my favorite part of doing this too. Right.

Meredith Oke:

Is like people come in, as I was saying before,

Meredith Oke:

like they come in with their expertise, their

Meredith Oke:

knowledge, what their specific background, then

Meredith Oke:

they learn the operating system and then they

Meredith Oke:

make these connections. So I think like one of

Meredith Oke:

the cases you're referring to, like Dr. Rachel

Meredith Oke:

Maurice came through, who she has decided to

Meredith Oke:

leave her licensing for all of the reasons we

Meredith Oke:

discussed. But she was an MD in Canada and she

Meredith Oke:

practiced anesthesiology. She started looking at

Meredith Oke:

health through the quantum biologic lens. And one

Meredith Oke:

of the discussions was around fluoride and how

Meredith Oke:

that, you know, stops our body from holding a

Meredith Oke:

charge and stops our body from making structured

Meredith Oke:

water that which is what we need to. Right? And

Meredith Oke:

so she's listening, so she's learning this. And

Meredith Oke:

then she's on a call with Carrie Bennett and

Meredith Oke:

she's like, oh my goodness, almost all anesthesia

Meredith Oke:

is filled with fluoride.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Right. And most all medications are.

Meredith Oke:

And like. And so there was this moment where

Meredith Oke:

everyone was thinking about the struggles that

Meredith Oke:

people have post op, post operatively. And all of

Meredith Oke:

a sudden this huge Puzzle piece was revealed. And

Meredith Oke:

especially certain people, for DNA reason,

Meredith Oke:

genetic reasons, might have even a harder time

Meredith Oke:

getting the fluoride out of their system. Yeah,

Meredith Oke:

but it was just one of those. I remember one of

Meredith Oke:

those moments right after that call, you were

Meredith Oke:

like, meredith, that's the fluoride. And we were

Meredith Oke:

like, oh my gosh. So now everyone who comes

Meredith Oke:

through is like empowered with that

Meredith Oke:

understanding. So if they have a client or a

Meredith Oke:

patient who's struggling post operatively, like,

Meredith Oke:

that's something that they can take into, take

Meredith Oke:

into account. It's.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

And so cool.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes, it is. It is. And people will say to me, is

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

there anything that, that. Because you can, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, the questions range from very esoteric

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

things to really deep science. Or I have this

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

client who, you know, X. And our faculty, boom,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

there, it's right there. And I've had so many of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the people in the cohorts ask me, is there

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

anything that they don't know? I'm like, well,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you know, I think in I don't know how many hours

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I've listened to, you know, now. Many, many. I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

think I can think of two where the faculty person

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

said, you know, I don't know, but this is where I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

would refer you to.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

That'S amazing.

Meredith Oke:

It's pretty amazing. And the like. Because what,

Meredith Oke:

you know, I mean, the core of the, of the

Meredith Oke:

questions is like, okay, here's how I understand

Meredith Oke:

things from the level that I was taught at. What

Meredith Oke:

does it mean to drop down into the subatomic

Meredith Oke:

level, Drop down into the quantum level? And so

Meredith Oke:

when you have people who live there, who live and

Meredith Oke:

breathe from that level, that's just where

Meredith Oke:

everything makes sense to them.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes, they're so amazing. I just, I can't say

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

enough about them.

Meredith Oke:

And not just from reading papers, but from

Meredith Oke:

actually working with clients. Clients. Because

Meredith Oke:

that is a criteria to be faculty. It's like you

Meredith Oke:

have to actually work with people. Because I've

Meredith Oke:

listened to people who like, well, the research

Meredith Oke:

says this and then they'll make like an all

Meredith Oke:

encompassing recommendation for everybody. And

Meredith Oke:

it's like, okay, it's like those books that say,

Meredith Oke:

do this and your baby will never cry. Well, the

Meredith Oke:

baby.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And they've never had a baby.

Meredith Oke:

You know, there's so much individuation,

Meredith Oke:

individualized, you know, understanding that's

Meredith Oke:

needed that you learn just from working with,

Meredith Oke:

with all the humans, the human beings.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. And it's such a varied. You have such a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

beautiful group of practitioners. They're so

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

varied. You know, it's just, it's so. Well,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Rounded. It's just. It's just an amazing program.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It's just so amazing. And to see all these people

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

now coming through, you know, I don't even know

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

how many cohorts there's. There have been now. I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

think I was in the second one, and it seems like

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

we've had a hundred now. I don't know, but lots

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

of them, and they're going out in all these

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

different directions. And it's, you know, it's

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

just such a gift to see that and be a part of it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

You know, it has really, really been. It's like

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Act 2 for me has been, you know, the icing. It's

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

like I get to clap and cheer all the. The people

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

stepping out there and see them. It's so. It's.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It's encouraging for our. Our world and where

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

we're at. And, I mean, we're bringing something

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

on, and in this place that it's going to change

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

everything. It is changing everything.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, no, we're. We're at a shift right now, and

Meredith Oke:

it's not like, oh, the shift is coming. It's

Meredith Oke:

like, we are in it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

No, we're riding that right now in it.

Meredith Oke:

And the, The. It's creating a schism, and people

Meredith Oke:

who don't want to ride this wave are getting

Meredith Oke:

farther and farther apart and holding on to the

Meredith Oke:

old way more strongly, which is cool. That's what

Meredith Oke:

happens during change.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

But, like, you know, we picked a good timeline,

Meredith Oke:

friends.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah, thank you.

Meredith Oke:

Let's hang out in this timeline.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes. Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Because it just kept getting. Keeps getting

Meredith Oke:

crazier. And then, you know, I just want to move

Meredith Oke:

into one more section. So you, you know,

Meredith Oke:

allopathic. To becoming a patient yourself and

Meredith Oke:

being like, whoa. Actually, this system, not so

Meredith Oke:

much to naturopathic, then into navigating the

Meredith Oke:

podcast world of trying to learn quantum biology,

Meredith Oke:

to finding a structured way to do it, to. To

Meredith Oke:

being like a huge support to all the people. All

Meredith Oke:

of the people doing applied quantum biology and

Meredith Oke:

trans, trying to translate this research into

Meredith Oke:

real, practical, everyday stuff. And then you

Meredith Oke:

came across these. A technology that layers on

Meredith Oke:

right into that, which is. And I. I just want to

Meredith Oke:

talk about this for a minute because I don't. I

Meredith Oke:

don't bring up products on this podcast, really.

Meredith Oke:

I mean, if someone is excited about something,

Meredith Oke:

we'll talk about it. But, like, it's not really.

Meredith Oke:

I don't really do it that much, but I do want. I

Meredith Oke:

want to talk about the life wave patches, because

Meredith Oke:

I've been using them for like a year and a Half

Meredith Oke:

now. And they're the. They're the. Like, I've

Meredith Oke:

never seen you so excited about anything except

Meredith Oke:

quantum biology things. I'm like, okay, true. And

Meredith Oke:

I started using them and it's like, just like,

Meredith Oke:

explain to me how they. Like for the audience.

Meredith Oke:

Like, explain how they work. It's not a

Meredith Oke:

supplement, it's not a medication. It's.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It's a little patch.

Meredith Oke:

Okay. Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

This is called a life wave patch.

Meredith Oke:

Mm.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Like a little. Like a little band aid. You just

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

peel this off and you can stick it on certain

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

parts of your body.

Meredith Oke:

And.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

The infrared light from our body goes up from our

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

skin and hits this. This circle. The outer part

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

here is an adhesive. And. But it hits this, which

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

is organic crystals, amino acids, salt, sugars

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and oxygen. And what happens is when our infrared

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

light goes up and hits that center, two things

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

occur. One is our own infrared light is reflected

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

back from those crystals, reflected back into our

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

body. And we become our own infrared infrared

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

light device. Like that is mind blowing.

Meredith Oke:

I've got.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

See my big. My big. I got a big light back here.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And yeah, that's only like a little piece of it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And I've got lights everywhere. I've got all

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

sorts of lights. Love them. They're amazing. An

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

amazing tool as we navigate our way out of living

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

inside all the time. But these patches, we become

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

our own infrared device. And you say, well, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, but yeah, this is that big and that's that

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

big. And if you know anything about homeopathy is

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that's the body. And also in the quantum biology,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

what you. What we learn is, is the body. The

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

mitochondria are set up and tuned to whispers.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Very small frequencies. And this patch sends a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

very small amount of infrared light back. Like

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

it's in the picowatt. It's like minuscule. So it

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

becomes a. Like, not like, but it becomes home.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Like homeopathic infrared light device.

Meredith Oke:

Because it's like. It's such a tiny amount.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Because it's so tiny. And our body responds to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

tiny way better than it does. It's like you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

respond. Right.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

We respond to whispers, you know, like you and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

your mom would whisper to you. There's your mom

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

soothing you as opposed to screaming at you.

Meredith Oke:

I had more of that, but that's cool. I understand

Meredith Oke:

what you're saying.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It's the message. But we love the whispering,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that gentle whisper. We loved that our body

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

responded. Responds to that. So our body, what

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I've seen, responds to that really small amount

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

of infrared light. Even more than my really big

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Lights. And I love my really big lights and I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

still use them. The second thing that it does is

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

there's different life wave patches and they are.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

They have a frequency in them that also, when

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that infrared light or heat comes up to that

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

center, there's a modulated frequency that comes

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

back pertaining to the particular patch that

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

sends another light signal into the body to, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, make a particular peptide or an amino acid

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

to increase. Increase it. For instance, like the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

x39 has a signal to tell our body to make more of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

a peptide called ghk, copper peptide. And that in

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

turn can and does increase that peptide, which

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

can and does increase our poly pluripotent stem

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

cells to then go and do what stem cells do, which

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

is repair things. So when I came across this

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

years ago, actually in my early journeys in

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

naturopathy and actually used the patches and in

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

our clinic in 2009, 10, 11 and 12, in fact, I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

have a. I, I came across this. This is cool. So

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

here's a one from. See how it says homeopathy?

Meredith Oke:

Oh, yeah, because now it says the. Those little

Meredith Oke:

packages say phototherapy there.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

We didn't have that language or they didn't know

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that language.

Meredith Oke:

Phototherapy wasn't a thing.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Right. It wasn't a. So it really is homeopathic

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

phototherapy, in my opinion. And it, as Jim Laird

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

says, small hinges swing big doors. It's a very

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

small hinge that swings very big doors. And my

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

husband and I have laughed about, you know,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

between the two of us, we have nearly 30 years of

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

training and schooling and we've seen more

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

needles moved with this stuff than all of the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

other things we've done all these years. So we

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

said, gosh, you know, we probably should have

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

just gone and done whatever we wanted to do and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

waited for life Wave to go and not wasted all

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that brain time and money and. Just kidding. But,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

yeah, so I'm, I'm like crazy about promoting

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that. I, My first passion is about light in

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

general. The circadian rhythm that must get out

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

to the world. Yeah, it must. That is the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

operating system. That is what operates the. This.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

That. That light story operates that. But it, it,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you know, there were so many things. And I know

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you've heard this before, Meredith, but your

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

listeners haven't. Is. I, I had patients that,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you know, I would share with them. You know,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

dude, I want you to do this, this, this and this.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And they, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

can't do that.

Meredith Oke:

I'm not going to change that. Or I can't get up

Meredith Oke:

earlier, and I can't go to this, and I can't go

Meredith Oke:

to bed, and I can't sleep. And you want me to do

Meredith Oke:

that? Yeah. Well. And I remember this case study

Meredith Oke:

because it was so good. You were presenting these

Meredith Oke:

case studies because so many of the people in our

Meredith Oke:

world, right? Like, we're health focused, so we

Meredith Oke:

do the things. So you're presenting case studies,

Meredith Oke:

and you're like, here are all the things that

Meredith Oke:

this person did. They did circadian rhythms. They

Meredith Oke:

did supplements. They did this. They did this,

Meredith Oke:

and then they added a patch, and this happened.

Meredith Oke:

And then. But then you had this one case study,

Meredith Oke:

and you. You had it broken down, like, by what

Meredith Oke:

people's, like, bedtime routines were. And this

Meredith Oke:

woman's. This case study of this woman, her

Meredith Oke:

bedtime routine, like, what she did to sleep. So

Meredith Oke:

everyone else, it was like, you know, they turn

Meredith Oke:

off the screens, they do this, they do that, they

Meredith Oke:

take magnesium. This woman, it was. Drink a

Meredith Oke:

bottle of cough syrup.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. Nyquil. She would buy cases of Nyquil from

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Amazon.

Meredith Oke:

That was just. That's such a moment. I think we

Meredith Oke:

all need to be reminded. First of all, we get

Meredith Oke:

hard on ourselves for not doing things well

Meredith Oke:

enough, and it's like, we're. We're all doing the

Meredith Oke:

best we can. It's all good. And second of all,

Meredith Oke:

there are people stuck drinking Nyquil, really

Meredith Oke:

struggling, truly. Like, that's tough. That's a

Meredith Oke:

really, really tough place to be in.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And, you know, as a. As a practitioner, you get

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

this. This stupid idea that you're just, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, you're gonna tell people what to do, and

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

they're just gonna do it, and they're just gonna

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

do it, and if they don't do it, well, then there

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you go. And you kind of, you know, you get to

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

where. Because it's. It's sad. It's frustrating,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you know, all of those things. And. But what

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

happened for me in that Meredith, that story is I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

asked her if she would try these little patches.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I said, look, you know, you can still eat.

Meredith Oke:

That's right. And you sent her blue blockers.

Meredith Oke:

You'd given her all the information. And she was.

Meredith Oke:

She was like, no, cannot. Yeah, okay. So you sent

Meredith Oke:

her a patch.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yep. So she started. She took a. Put the X39s,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

used those. And she called me. I don't know how

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

long later it was three weeks, a month or so. And

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

she called me one day, and she was crying, and I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

was like, I thought somebody had died. And I. And

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I said, what? You know, what's the matter? What's

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

the matter? Because I quit caring for her. I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

quit. We're friends, but, you know, if you're not

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

gonna do this stuff, I. You know, I can't help

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

you. So let's just be friends. And she said she

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

got out. I slept last night. I didn't just sleep.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I slept nine hours straight. I haven't done that.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I think she said 37 years. Wow. And then she

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

started changing her diet. Then she is taking

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

pictures and sending them to me of being out at

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

sunrise and having her feet on the ground,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

grounding and pictures of, you know, vegetables,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

God forbid, because she ate, I think, one. One

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

kind of meat and a potato or something from

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Burger King or something, and that's all she ate.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And I realized, oh, if you. If people can get

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

feeling a little better, they do better.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

That, you know, maybe because you get in your

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

mind, oh, they're just, you know, they're just

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

stubborn. They're just lazy. They're just

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

whatever your story that you make up. But

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

sometimes people feel stupid so badly they can't

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

do what it takes to get better. So anyway, and I

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

had one other same kind of a story of a type one

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

diabetic, and he's a young. In his 30s, man.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Young man. And lives on Mountain Dew. Lived on

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Mountain Dew ice cream. You know, you name it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And he was getting to the point where his blood

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

levels were showing. You know, he was getting

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

near the risk of having. He was going to possibly

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

start having to have limbs amputated if he

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

continued on. Yeah. And he just couldn't do it.

Meredith Oke:

He just couldn't change his ways.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

So he tried it. And within, I think it was three

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

weeks, he stopped the bad diet. His. His labs

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

went way into normal, which had never, ever been.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And again.

Meredith Oke:

And this is from wearing an X39.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes. Yes. Sheesh. And he said the same thing. He

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

said, well, I. He said, I just felt like, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, I'm gonna die young because I am a type one

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

diabetic. There's, you know, so why not just do

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

what I want to do? But now I feel like I can live

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

a long life and I feel better. So it really

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

taught me as a practitioner that, you know,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

sometimes you. If you can move the needle enough

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

in a small thing like these patches, it can

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

change someone's entire life. They can start

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

going out in the morning, they can start eating

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

better and doing all the things better just

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

because of that.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And I have a million.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. Yeah. We could do case studies for another

Meredith Oke:

hour, but I Love it. Because it's. It's like,

Meredith Oke:

it's so simple. So. That's right. Like, your

Meredith Oke:

friend, she's like, no, I can't wear blue

Meredith Oke:

blockers. No, I can't eat a vegetable. No, I

Meredith Oke:

can't go outside. No, I can't. But it's like, I

Meredith Oke:

just put this sticker on. Fine, fine. And then

Meredith Oke:

more energy becomes available. And as people have

Meredith Oke:

more energy, they. We find the capacity to make

Meredith Oke:

change. I've had this happen to me in my life,

Meredith Oke:

personally. Like, there were times in my life

Meredith Oke:

where, you know, like, just the simplest things

Meredith Oke:

took all, like, took so much effort.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

But as I learned to free up my energy, and a lot

Meredith Oke:

of it was trapped in. In trauma and stressful

Meredith Oke:

thinking and belief systems that were dragging me

Meredith Oke:

down. And that has a mitochondrial impact.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Oh, 100%.

Meredith Oke:

And, you know, we think of, like, our

Meredith Oke:

mitochondria needing energy, like, to do things

Meredith Oke:

physically, but the emotional burden, the mental

Meredith Oke:

load, you know, feeling hopeless and being locked

Meredith Oke:

in grief and shame and trauma, like, those things

Meredith Oke:

take away our mitochondrial energy as well.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

And in that space, it has to be simple. And we

Meredith Oke:

think going outside is simple, because it is. But

Meredith Oke:

for some people, it's like, even.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

That is if you have too much every night, looking

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

at a phone or a computer screen or a television

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

all night and slept all day for decades, that's

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

just not so easy. I mean, it sounds easy. It

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

sounds like, you know, come on, just do it. But

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

anyway, it was a great lesson for me to see that.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Oh, it. There's. This allows people to get

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

through exactly what you're talking about to the

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

other side to even. To have enough energy to. To

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

make a better decision.

Meredith Oke:

Yes.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And I have seen just so many wonderful things

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

with them. And for anybody who hasn't seen your

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

interview with the inventor of these little

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

patches, David Schmidt, you have two podcasts,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

and they are amazing. I highly recommend people

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

go listen to them. The man is. He's on Divine

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Download, just saying.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

And he's humble on top of it. And so, yeah, that

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

is. I have come out of retirement in the sense

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

that I'm on a mission with him to patch a billion

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

people. And then now he's coming out with this

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

water machine that infuses, releases water,

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

releases light into you. Like, it's a. It's a

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

hydrogen machine. It's a, you know, ultra oxygen.

Meredith Oke:

That machine's crazy. He told me some stuff about

Meredith Oke:

that machine. He wouldn't do it on camera. It was

Meredith Oke:

like, after we'd stopped recording, he told Me

Meredith Oke:

some things. He witnessed people drinking that

Meredith Oke:

light water.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I was like, what? And that's out now. That's. We

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

have the leaders in the, in that company. They

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

have them. Friend of mine has hers and it's going

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

available to the public in October 27th. And that

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

is going to set the water industry on its head.

Meredith Oke:

I can't wait.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

I know.

Meredith Oke:

Going to be so interesting. And that's why, you

Meredith Oke:

know, just to wrap like. I know that there's a

Meredith Oke:

lot of like doomerism happening right now because

Meredith Oke:

of politics or whatever different things people

Meredith Oke:

subscribe to. But. But friends, there's so much

Meredith Oke:

cool stuff happening. So much cool stuff. And we

Meredith Oke:

are so blessed and privileged to have access to

Meredith Oke:

it, to understand what it is, to understand the

Meredith Oke:

implications of it, indeed, to have the freedom

Meredith Oke:

to engage with it. And you know, I feel, I just

Meredith Oke:

feel so excited about the world and this is an

Meredith Oke:

amazing time to be alive.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yes, indeed.

Meredith Oke:

And thanks for being my friend on the path,

Meredith Oke:

Kathleen.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Oh, yeah. The credit goes to you and Jason. I'm

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

saying this has just been a gift.

Meredith Oke:

You got to take a little. Please take a little.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah. Okay.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Thank you.

Meredith Oke:

All right.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Thank you so much.

Meredith Oke:

All right. And if anyone would like to connect

Meredith Oke:

with Kathleen, they can find

Meredith Oke:

her@kathleenhorstmeyer.com she's also inside QVC

Meredith Oke:

free. Just go in. If you're not a member in

Meredith Oke:

there, why not? You should be. We all, we got to

Meredith Oke:

stick together, right? If these big medical

Meredith Oke:

associations and Rockefeller people can get

Meredith Oke:

together and change the world, so can we. But you

Meredith Oke:

gotta come, come and say hi. So come to

Meredith Oke:

qvcpod.com click community and just enter your

Meredith Oke:

name and email and you're in there. You're in the

Meredith Oke:

QVC free and Kathleen's in there. And you can

Meredith Oke:

talk to her or go to kathleenhorsemeyer.com and

Meredith Oke:

there is a link in the show notes for the

Meredith Oke:

certification and for to purchase lifewave

Meredith Oke:

patches which encourage any health issue or

Meredith Oke:

you're over a certain age, you really want to

Meredith Oke:

just try these things because we're like in the

Meredith Oke:

modern day and age, like, we're not, you know,

Meredith Oke:

our bodies. We. I've realized, like, we really

Meredith Oke:

need to help them reach their capacity.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Oh yeah.

Meredith Oke:

There's too much working against us to not, you

Meredith Oke:

know, to not embrace this simple technology. That

Meredith Oke:

can help, especially when it's totally non.

Meredith Oke:

Invasive. Doesn't.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

It's a little sick.

Meredith Oke:

Just a little whispering.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Thank you for doing this, Kathleen. I know it's

Meredith Oke:

out of your comfort zone, but I think your story

Meredith Oke:

is so cool and amazing. And you've just followed

Meredith Oke:

your intuition every step of the way and your

Meredith Oke:

allopathic work. I'm sure that team has saved so

Meredith Oke:

many lives with those ultrasounds.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Yep. Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

You know, they really did.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Flying around, you know. I know. We did, too, you

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

know, and it just. It was a process of.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

To get here, you know. What a fabulous journey

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

it's been. It's just amazing.

Meredith Oke:

It is. Well, you have. You lead a life of

Meredith Oke:

service, my friend, and we appreciate it.

Kathleen Horstmeyer:

Thank you, Meredith.

Meredith Oke:

Thanks, everybody. See you next time.

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