Episode 151

151: I Made My Voice Visible and It Changed Everything with John Stuart Reid

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"Sound waves do not actually exist," reveals John Stewart Reed on the Quantum Biology Collective podcast, challenging our fundamental understanding of sound and introducing us to the fascinating world of cymatics. Reed, a pioneer in this field, explains how sound imprints itself onto surfaces everywhere around us, creating invisible patterns that can now be made visible through groundbreaking technology.

In this captivating episode, Reed unveils the Cymascope, an instrument that transforms sound into stunning visual representations, bridging the gap between science and art. He delves into the healing potential of sound, discussing how specific frequencies can stimulate the vagus nerve, improve blood oxygenation, and even reverse chronic inflammation. Reed also introduces the concept of "music medicine," a emerging field in clinical settings that recognizes the therapeutic qualities of music without the need for a therapist.

Tune in to discover why the quality of your audio matters more than you think, how live music provides unique healing benefits, and why drumming circles might be the key to boosting your oxygen levels. Learn about the revolutionary Cymascope app that allows you to visualize your own voice and use it for meditation and healing. This episode offers a glimpse into a future where frequency medicine could transform hospital environments and our approach to healing.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Listen to high-quality music through proper headphones to stimulate your vagus nerve. Use corded headphones with a frequency response starting at 4-5 Hz, like the Beyerdynamic DT770PRO model. Avoid wireless or low-quality options.

2. Choose uncompressed audio formats like WAV or FLAC files instead of MP3s to get the full healing benefits of music. CDs and high-quality vinyl can also work well.

3. Use the new Cymascope app to visualize sound patterns from your voice or instruments. Record and print out images of your own "Om" sound for meditation purposes.

4. Attend live music concerts to maximize healing benefits. The uncompressed sound stimulates nitric oxide production in your sinuses and lungs, promoting vasodilation and oxygenation.

5. Incorporate drumming into your wellness routine. The low-frequency pulses from drums help oxygenate your blood, similar to how your heartbeat functions. Join a drum circle or play a large drum at home for therapeutic effects.

Memorable Quotes

"Sound imprints itself onto surfaces everywhere around us all of the time. Whenever sound is present and there are membranes, cymatic patterns are imprinted on them, invisible to the unaided eye but can be made visible."
"We're walking around with a healing tool. If we have a normal speaking voice, we are blessed with a wonderful instrument. Our vocal apparatus is directly innervated by the vagus nerve. Any sound we make helps keep our vagal tone well-tuned."
"When you go to experience live music at a concert, you'll come away with your bloodstream super oxygenated. Not only because of oxygen binding, but also from nitric oxide created by the higher frequencies in your paranasal sinus cavities. You're going to get so many healing benefits."

Connect with John

Website: https://cymascope.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/soundmadevisible

Sound Made Visible: www.soundmadevisible.com

Resources Mentioned

Click here to see the full list of John Stuart Reid's healing music

Dream of the Blue Whale album by Anders Holte: anders-holte.com

Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro headphones:beyerdynamic.com

SHIFT Network: theshiftnetwork.com

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Meredith Oke:

John Stewart Reed, welcome back to the QVC

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podcast.

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John Stuart Reid: Well, I'm delighted to be with you again,

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Meredith. Really. We've got lots to share. I

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know. So it's going to be an interesting

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discussion.

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Okay. I'm really excited. We had so much great

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feedback on our last conversation. Everyone

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wanted to know more about the pyramids in Egypt.

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I have. I put the list of music that you

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recommended for blood oxygenation into our show

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notes and had. I also had multiple people email

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and ask for it. So we sent that out all over the

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place. So I'm excited to revisit those topics.

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But to get started, let's just talk about

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cymatics, because you are sort of on the

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forefront of this extremely interesting field.

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And I'm just going to read a little bit from your

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website because I think this is so beautiful to

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put cymatics in context for everybody. When the

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microscope and telescope were invented, they

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opened vistas into realms that were not even

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suspected to exist. Sound has been invisible

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throughout history. Now, with the development of

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the cymoscopes instrument, the omnipresent,

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unexplored realms of sound and vibration are made

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visible for scientific study and artistic

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appreciation. I love that. And I love that you

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added artistic appreciation there because this is

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so beautiful. So with that as the opener, tell us

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a little bit about cymatics and why it matters so

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much.

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John Stuart Reid: Yeah, well, you know, in the artistic aspect of

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it brings to mind immediately, Meredith, this

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bridge that we have between science and art,

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which, you know, it's not just relation in

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relation to cymatics, but there is a bridge that

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exists there. It's kind of a fine line very

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often, but no, no more, no more exhibited better

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than with cymatics, because cymatics provides a

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visual medium for sound. As we, as you've

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mentioned there, what happens is sound imprints

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itself onto surfaces everywhere around us all of

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the time. So whenever the sound present, and

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actually there always is, you know, even in the

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quietest of quiet environments on Earth, like an

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anechoic chamber, for example, there's still

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sound. So, and therefore, whenever a sound is

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present and there are membranes present, then

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there will be cymatic patterns imprinted on them

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everywhere around you. But a little bit like

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fingerprints, they are invisible to the unaided

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eye, but they can be made visible. And what they

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are, they are representations of the sound. So if

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we talk about the surface of water, for example,

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which is what we use now, only use water in the

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cymascope instrument, which you see by the way,

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behind me here we have a portable model. If I can

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bring that into the frame. There's a portable

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cymascope that we're. We are now developing. And.

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But anyway, that, again, uses only pure water. So

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if you think about the vibrations of sound

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imprinting onto the surface of pure water, it's a

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little bit like imprinting a fingerprint or a

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thumbprint on a glass, isn't it? You know, if I,

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you know, I've got a glass of water, if I hold

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this glass and know that my fingerprint or my

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thumbprint is going to be there on the glass, and

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then I put the glass down and I look very, very

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closely at the glass, I might be able to see my

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fingerprint or my thumbprint if I know it's

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there. But even knowing it's there, sometimes

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it's really difficult to see. Unless, of course,

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you're like a forensic scientist and sprinkle on

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some fine powder, like, you know, like talcum

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powder. Right.

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Then, of course, on the crime shows where they.

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Yeah, that's right.

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John Stuart Reid: Well, it's a little bit like that, Meredith,

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with. With a sound print on water, on the surface

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of water. Now, think of the surface of water like

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a membrane, essentially, like. Like the glass.

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You know, it's. It's. It's a way that we can

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imprint vibrations, and in this case, we can make

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them visible. Instead of sprinkling on talcum

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powder, we actually use. We kind of dust the

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surface of the water, you could say, with light,

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special kind of light, and that's what makes the

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imprint visible. So now we have a means of

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literally being able to see sound. Now, you know,

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the other aspect to cymatics and sound, the

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physics of sound in general, that is not

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particularly well known in the world, is that

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sound waves do not actually exist. This is a

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really strange situation where we have this term

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sound waves. Everyone talks about sound waves,

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including scientists, not me, but many scientists

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do, you know, refer to sound waves, and we kind

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of stuck with that term. So I. Nothing that I can

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do to change that in the world of science,

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excepting that when I teach the physics of sound,

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which I do, then I make sure that all of my

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students understand what is coming out of my

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mouth now is not a wave. You know, if you were to

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ask someone, Meredith, what's the shape of sound?

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They will say, oh, it's a wave. And then if you

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say to them, well, show me the shape of that

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sound coming out of your mouth now, they will

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mime something like this. You know, they will

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show you a wiggle going through the air which is

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completely Untrue. So what's coming out of my

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mouth.

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So what is it?

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John Stuart Reid: And a little bit out of my nose, because I don't

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have a cold right now, is a bubble of sound. And

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that bubble is oscillating in and out as it

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expands at the speed of sound. And it's these

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oscillations, these in and out oscillations or

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pulsations, which are representing or indeed

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relating to the vibrations of my vocal folds. So

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as my vocal folds are vibrating, so obviously the

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bubble is oscillating in and out with all of

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those periodicities, all of those vibrations,

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right, as it's expanding. And then when that

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bubble impinges upon a membrane, say the surface

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of water, such as in the Cymascope instrument, it

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leaves an imprint, right? And it's a geometric

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imprint. Because what you've done when doing

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that, you've transposed sonic periodicities to

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water wavelet periodicities. So you're literally

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exchanging one form of matter for another, in a

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sense, right? Because the matter, in this case in

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air, the sound in air, is literally moving all

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the molecules of the air, right? But as soon as

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they imprint onto surface of water, then you're

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exchanging those vibrations for movements in the

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water. And these movements, these little ripples,

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you could say, on the surface, become a model of

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the sound made visible. We call it an analog. You

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know, it's a model basically of the sound. So all

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sounds are geometric in their form when they're

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imprinted onto a membrane. And this bubble that's

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coming out of my mouth now, when it imprints onto

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the circular membrane in the cymascope

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instrument, it becomes like a slice through the

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sonic bubble. So what you see in cymoglyphs,

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which is the word that I coined many, many years

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ago simply to mean sound image, a cymoglyph is

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essentially a slice through a cross section, if

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you like, through the sonic bubble, Right? That's

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what it is. So in other words, if you could see

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the sound bubbles right now emerging from my

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mouth, you would see these. This bubble with

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beautiful patterns on its surface and right

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through the bubble, not just on the surface, but

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right away through the bubble. And then we take a

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cross section with the instrument, with the

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Cymascope instrument and show you those beautiful

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patterns. And that brings me very nicely,

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actually, on to talk about the new Cymascope app,

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because we now do have a new version of the

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Cymascope app, which I'm just about to show you

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here.

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That's really cool. So, because just to clarify

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for everybody, you have invented oh, that's

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amazing.

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John Stuart Reid: That's your voice.

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That's my voice. Oh, it looks so pretty. Oh, and

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the laugh is different than the speaking. Oh my

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gosh, this is so cool.

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John Stuart Reid: Yeah.

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So for people on the audio version, John is

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holding his phone up to his computer and he is

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getting this cymatic imprint of my voice, which

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changes with every, almost every breath, it seems

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like.

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John Stuart Reid: Yeah. Because what it's doing, what it's doing,

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Meredith, is it's sampling all of the frequencies

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in your voice. Right. And it has what's termed a

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fast Fourier transform analyzer. A little bit of

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a mouthful in the background. You don't see it,

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you know, it's working for you in the background.

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And this FFT for short, analyzer, what its

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purpose is to analyze the frequencies, in this

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case in your voice or in my voice. And then it's

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looking constantly for the dominant frequency.

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What is the, what's the, the highest level of

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energy, you know, within the frequencies of your

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voice, say, or a musical instrument. It could be

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a gong or a Tibetan bowl or a crystal bowl or a

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tuning fork. Whatever it is, it's always looking

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for that dominant frequency. And when it finds it

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within a few milliseconds, literally, it then

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puts that, the image of that frequency from a

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Cymascope instrument, such as you see behind me

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here, where all of those frequencies were imaged,

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they are now stored in the app and displayed on

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screen in almost real time. I mean, it's very

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fast the way it does it. And so as you say, you

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know, as your voice frequencies are changing up

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and down, so that's looking for these dominant

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frequencies and then immediately displaying them

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within a fraction of a second on the screen. This

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is really a wonderful tool for musicians, for

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example, but basically anyone who's interested in

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the science of sound and in the science of sound

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from a healing perspective. The reason I say that

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is. Well, there's a couple of reasons. The first

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one is what I would refer to as Drishti

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meditation. Are you familiar with that term?

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No, I'm not.

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John Stuart Reid: Drishti is, is an Indian form of open eyed

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meditation. You know, most meditations you would

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have your eyes closed, but in Drishti meditation

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you have them open. And usually you're focused on

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something, say like a mandala that's been printed

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and you put it on a wall and you focus your

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attention on that. Right. So that's what Drishti

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meditation is. Well, obviously, you know, with

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the Cymascope app you can do exactly that. You

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can focus on the sounds because there are always

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going to be sounds in your room. Or you could be

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making your own vocal sounds and again, focused

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on that or another way you can do it is one of

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the features of this app is that you can not only

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record video of a given soundscape, but you can

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also record still shots, still moments, right? So

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let's say you make an Om sound, which is very

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well known in the world of spirituality. You make

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your Om up on the screen will come on your, your

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iPhone or your, you know, tablet, whatever. Up on

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the screen will come your version of your Om.

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It'll be a little bit different for everyone, of

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course, but it'll come up on the screen. Then you

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press the camera button where there's like a

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little icon of a camera that saves that image. It

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goes straight into your. No, it doesn't go

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straight into your photo album. There's a little

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pop up that says, do you want to save this?

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Right? So if you say, yes, I want to save it, it

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will go straight into your photo album, you know,

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on your phone or your tablet, right? You can then

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print that out. So you can now print, you know, a

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static copy of your Om, right? And put it on the

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wall in front of you where you're going to be

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meditating. And now, just like a mandala, you can

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meditate on that image which was your own. All of

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the frequencies that in your voice that created

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that Om are now going to be visually there. Now,

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the healing aspect of it, there's really twofold.

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One is the meditative aspect, because when you

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meditate, whether it be open eyed meditation or

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closed eyes meditation, you go into a particular

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mind state where the whole body goes into a

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parasympathetic mode. So no longer any kind of

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stress melts away. And you're now in an entirely

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parasympathetic mode. When you're in that mode,

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that's the mode where your body can heal. It

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can't heal when it's in a sympathetic state. When

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it's in sympathetic, you know, you're on the go,

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you're busy doing whatever you're doing that's

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sympathetic. But the parasympathetic is rest and

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repair. And that's what happens when you go into

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a meditation. So that would happen, obviously,

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regardless of whether you have an open eyed

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meditation or a closed eye. Right? It happens

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either way. But now the other aspect to a Drishti

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meditation, which may not be obvious to you, but

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it's very patently obvious to me when light say

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you've printed out this Om and you've put it on a

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wall, right. When light illuminates, that light

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could be sunlight. It could be, you know,

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incandescent light coming from a light source in

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your home or wherever it's coming from. It will

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always have a significant component of infrared

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energy, infrared light, which you can't see, but

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nevertheless is present within the spectrum of

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light. So we can only, as humans, of course, we

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can only see the visible, what we call visible

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spectrum of electromagnetism or light. But other

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creatures can see in the infrared spectrum, and

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even humans can to a very small degree. But

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anyway, in this case, the reason I'm particularly

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focused on this aspect of infrared light is

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because when the infrared component illuminates

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the cymoglyph and then reflects back out into the

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room to you who is sitting there or meditating

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there, right. What happens now is that the

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vibrations that created that beautiful on

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cymoglyph have now been modulated by those, by

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that geometry, so that the light was steady state

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in the first instance. It had no.

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Okay, so if you're near an infrared light source,

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it is reflecting back your own biogeometry.

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John Stuart Reid: It is the important aspect to this, very

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important to note that all the cells in your body

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communicate with each other primarily in the near

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infrared spectrum, right? That's how they send

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information to one another. Right? So now you

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understand that the light that's being the

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infrared component, particularly the near

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infrared, which is nearest to red, obviously that

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near infrared component will penetrate deeply,

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deep, I mean really deeply into your tissues and

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communicate directly with your cells in the

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medium of their own language, which is the near

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infrared spectrum. Right? So now you're receiving

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a healing. You're receiving a healing blessing

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from your own.

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Of your own imprint. So you know that it is.

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John Stuart Reid: Let's.

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Let's just talk biogeometrically individualized

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to you.

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John Stuart Reid: Yes. Now let's just switch away a little bit now

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from that aspect of the cymatic aspect, the

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Drishti meditation aspect of healing, to talk

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about the. The healing aspect of your own vocal

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apparatus, right? You're walking around with a

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healing tool. We all are. If we have a normal

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voice, and we're blessed to have a normal voice.

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I know some people don't, but if we're blessed to

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have a normal speaking voice, we are walking

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around with a wonderful tool. Now, I'm not sure

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whether we talked about this subject last time we

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spoke, but I'd like to talk just briefly now, if

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I may, about the vagus nerve in relation to our

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own voice and to our hearing. Because there's a

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really peculiar aspect to nature, the way nature

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has worked. Well, it isn't really peculiar, but

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it's really interesting. I'm going to share it

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with you now. When the vagus nerve first leaves

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the brainstem, you know, the vagus nerve is the

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longest nerve in the body, leaves the brain stem.

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It then connects with all the major organs in

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your body. But before it goes down into the

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thorax of your body, down your neck, both sides

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of your neck, by the way, there's two branches of

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it. Before, before it does that, the first place

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it goes to is the tr. Is the, the pinner of your

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ear. This is the. Sometimes called the oracle,

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you know, the outer ear. Right. Nature took the

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vagus nerve direct to the pinna of the ear. And

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this is why if you touch your ear with your

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finger, fingertips, you feel it's exquisitely

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sensitive, right? And many people think of it as

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an erogenous zone. Indeed it is, actually,

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because it is so exquisitely sensitive to the

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touch. And the lighter you touch your ears, the

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more feeling you will, you will receive from

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that, right? Now, why did nature, in evolutionary

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terms going back many, many millions of years,

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why did nature take the vagus nerve, the two

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branches left and right, to the pinna of the ear?

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Meredith, this is nothing to do with. With

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hearing. This is not related to your hearing

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system at all. Your hearing system, okay, you

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still have these pinnas collecting sound from the

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environment. Why? So that you can sense your

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environment through sound vibrations. That's the

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why. That's why nature arranged it that way. And

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if you think about your. The pinna of your ears,

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your outer ears being a little bit like parabolic

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reflectors or in this case, dishes, that is

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receiving the. Receiving sound from the

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environment, right? That's really what they're

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doing. That's why. And of course, you see, some

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creatures have very big ears, you know, that's

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because they're. They are even more dependent

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upon having cues from nature to. For their

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survival. So if you have bigger ears, you can

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hear from a much farther distance. Right. In the

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case of humans, we've got quite, you know,

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modestly sized penners. But why did nature do

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that? Well, I'm going to give you the answer now.

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The answer is because the vagus nerve system is

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exquisitely balanced and it needs to remain so.

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Why? Because it innervates all of your major

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organs. After it leaves the. After it leaves the

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pinnas, it goes straight to the pharynx and, and

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the larynx. And then when it leaves the Larynx,

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it goes on to the lungs, the heart, the kidneys,

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the liver, the pancreas and your gut. Everything,

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basically, all of your major organs literally are

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innovated, you know, connected to the brain via

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this system. And that is why someone who even has

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had a break in their spinal column, you know,

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they've fallen off a horse or whatever and broken

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their spinal cord as it is. That's why they can

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go on living, that's why they can go on

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breathing. Because the vagus nerve has taken over

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from, you know, from the spinal nervous system,

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basically, and carries. Is able to carry on the

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life of the person. So coming back to the pinna

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of the ears, the sound that enters your ears is

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doing two things. One, it's going through the

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auditory canal and into the cochlea so that you

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can hear, right. Secondly, all of the vibrations

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of nature, whether this is the siresm sound of

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the wind and the trees, or birdsong, or the sound

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of white water, rivers or waterfalls, or the

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ocean waves crashing on the shore, whatever it

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is, all of these different sounds of nature are

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being collected by your pinnas and go straight

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down into your vagus nerve system to keep it well

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toned, because it is so important that it is well

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toned. Right, so now you understand why I was

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saying about the Om. Coming back to the Om when

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you make an om sound, that's. Actually most

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people will deliberately try to make the Om in a

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low register because they know that it was a

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primordial sound and it's intended to be of low

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register. So even if you're a female, you will

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make your lowest Om that you can, you know, with

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your vocal apparatus, right? And as it turns out,

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in all of the science that I've been conducting

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for the last quarter of a century or more, it

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turns out that all of the best healing

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frequencies, almost all of them, are in the very,

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very low registers. So when you make an om sound,

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you are indeed making a healing sound. And that

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sound, because your vocal apparatus is directly

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innovated by the vagus nerve. Any sound that you

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make, even now when you and I, we, we are

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talking, all of those sound vibrations are

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helping us to keep our vagal tone well toned,

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well tuned up, right? And this kind of makes me

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laugh in a way about, you know, people who talk a

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lot and, and we, you know, we all. I'm sure we've

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all met people who, you know, really. They have

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kind of verbal diarrhea, you know, horrible term

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anyway, you know, they just keep on talking. It's

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actually very good for them, it's not so good if

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you're the recipient, but it is actually.

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That's interesting. It could be like a

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compensatory mechanism of, if they're

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dysregulated in their nervous system to keep that

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vagal.

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John Stuart Reid: Yes. Possibly subliminal, subconsciously. Yes, I

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guess that could be true, Meredith. I've never

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really thought of it in those terms, but I think

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it makes a lot of sense. And then, you know, just

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listening to beautiful music. You mentioned

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earlier in your introduction about, you know, the

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list of albums that, by the way, I now have

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expanded, that list of audio heterodyne Healing

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albums. I'd be happy to send you the expanded

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list so that you can.

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Oh, wonderful. Yes.

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John Stuart Reid: Can look at more albums that, you know, can

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decide whether they are right for them in terms

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of the types of, you know, the genres of music

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and so on. I even tested recently an album that I

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had been wanting to reconnect with for a long,

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long time. That's the Electric Light Orchestra. I

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used to love their music and long time ago, 20

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years ago. And so I decided I would buy, just

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quite recently, would buy the album again, you

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know, the greatest hits of the Electric Light

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Orchestra. And when I did a session just last

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month testing all of these different albums,

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including that one, it turned out that that was

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another album that I could add to the list.

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Right. So just to recap for those people who are

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listening for the first time about the audio

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heterodyne phenomenon, this was a discovery of

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mine more than two years ago now, entirely

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accidental. And it related to. Well, we've just

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been talking about the vagus nerve and how the.

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It's very low frequencies that are optimal for

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stimulation. You know, so the lower the

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frequencies, even to some degree, the better.

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And. And the researchers who have done most of

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the work in this area, they're. They've

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identified frequencies very low, like 5 Hz to 10

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Hz being optimal for vagus nerve stimulation.

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Now, that's below the range of human hearing. The

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lowest range, lowest frequency a human can hear

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is about 16 hertz. So talking 5 to 10 is not

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something we can even hear. And yet it's.

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Obviously, the researchers have discovered that

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this is what provides the optimal stimulation.

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So because the water in our body can hear it.

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Well, feel it if we can't hear it with our ears,

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but it's still having that cymatic effect on them.

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John Stuart Reid: Yeah. So how this. How this audio heterodyne

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phenomenon or discovery came about was I had been

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reading all of these research papers on the vagus

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nerve and these very, very low frequencies.

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Classed as extremely low frequencies. Elf.

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Extremely low frequencies. And I had been. Well,

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Annelise and I have an album, I think I mentioned

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this to you last time, Dream of the Blue Whale,

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which is in the list. And we listen to it quite

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often at breakfast time, because it's just so

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soothing, you know, when you. You're just waking

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up and you're having your breakfast. Anyway, so I

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thought, I wonder. This. This album is mimicking

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essentially the sounds of blue whales, you know,

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Anders Holt, who is the wonderful Danish

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vocalist, accompanied by his lovely wife Kachina

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on keyboards. They made this beautiful album. And

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so I brought it down into the lab this day, more

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than two years ago now, to test to see which

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frequencies in Anda's voice. You know, what's the

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best, the lowest frequencies that Anda Anders can

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create. Now, you know, knowing full well that

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even a bass vocalist, you know, the lowest bass

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vocalist frequency would probably be 60 hertz on

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a good day, right. As low as the lowest frequency

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that a male bass vocalist can make. So I wasn't

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expecting anything lower than that, for sure. But

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when I looked at it on the lab spectrum analyzer,

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but, boy, did I get a shock. A pleasant surprise,

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because the 12 Hz band on the analyzer was

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merrily dancing up and down with Anders voice.

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Yes. And then there are times in this beautiful

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album where Anders stop singing for a few moments

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and the keyboards carry on. Beautiful, long,

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gorgeous chords. And lo and behold, again I was

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seeing the 12 Hz band dancing up and down. Now, I

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was so surprised at this because I thought, wow,

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how is this even possible? You know, the low. I

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knew already in advance that the lowest note

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possible for a male vocalist is 60, about 60

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hertz. So this was a new phenomenon. And I

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thought, wow. And I then went up into our home

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and I brought down some more albums to test. And

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most of when we listen to music at home, it's

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almost always on cd. We just like the tactile

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feeling of, you know, holding a disc and putting

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it in the player and so on. Anyway, so I brought

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down a whole bunch of CDs, and it turns out that

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a very small percentage of them, just a few

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percent, have this effect. Most of the albums do

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not have this effect. And it's still a bit of a

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mystery. We still don't know exactly how and why

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in the mastering of albums. Some have it and some

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don't. And we will get to the bottom of it

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ultimately. But in the meantime, it means we have

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this beautiful list of albums which do create

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these very, very low frequencies. Now, you also

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need to know that when the 12 Hz band on the

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analyzer dances up and down, that there are

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frequencies present down to 4 and 5 hertz. And

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how we know that it's the lowest band on the

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analyzer, on our analyzer, but how we know that

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these other frequencies are present is because

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the shape of the, what's termed the filter curve

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on each band, each one sixth of an octave band in

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the analyzer, the shape of it is like a bell jaw

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shape. So it means that when it means 12 hertz is

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like the center part of that, of that bell shape,

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but you obviously got sidebands, and the lower

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sideband will go down at least to 4 Hz. So this

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is really exciting because 5 Hz is the optimal

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frequency, it turns out, for vagal stimulation.

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That's why we know that all of these albums carry

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that potential. And the other aspect, you know,

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to this, to vagal stimulation that is not, again,

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not generally known or, well, not well known in

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the world yet, but it will be known if I've got

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anything to do with it, is that chronic

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inflammation in the body is a precursor for so

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many diseases that are incurable by mainstream

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medicine. So I'm talking about cancer here. I'm

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talking about diseases like fibromyalgia, for

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example, where people are in extreme pain. And

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there's nothing that the main, that mainstream

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medicine can do to support someone like that.

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There's no pill, there's no pharmacological

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substance that you can take that will reverse

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chronic inflammation. Right? Okay. If you have

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extreme pain, they can give you pain relief, for

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sure. Analgesics, they can even give you

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prednisone and other drugs that will help to

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mediate to some degree the chronic inflammation,

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but nothing's going to cure it. However, other

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groups of medical researchers have discovered

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that optimal vagal stimulation via the pinna of

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the ears can indeed reverse chronic inflammation.

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Right. And when you know that chronic

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inflammation is a precursor to cancer, there are

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just, there are studies that show that if you

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optimally stimulate, if you have cancer and you

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optimally stimulate your vagal system, then your

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prognosis is going to be improved by about 50%,

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5, 0%. Right. So this is really important stuff

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now when it comes to. How do you do this? Okay,

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you get the list of albums. This is great. Get

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the list of albums, and you, you either pick with

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a pin or you pick with your heart or a pendulum

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or however you're going to decide you know, which

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albums to buy. But then the next part of the

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situation is you must listen, you must experience

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this music, any of these albums through good

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quality headphones. These have to be capable of

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reproducing frequencies down to 5 Hz. Now, most

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headsets don't.

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So if they're not good quality enough, you're not

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going to get.

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John Stuart Reid: You're not going to get the healing.

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Benefit, the resonance that you need to.

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John Stuart Reid: Have the healing effect. But there are.

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And what about with no headphones? Can you do it

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with your speakers or.

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John Stuart Reid: Of course, you know, if you, if you're immersed

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in a sound bath situation or even just know,

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speakers at home will provide some degree of

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vagal stimulation. You know, we talked earlier,

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didn't we, about how nature arranged this so that

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the pinner of the ears is the means, like the

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parabolic dishes that are collecting sounds from

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nature, not only so that we can hear, but also to

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help vagal tone, to support vagal tone. So, yes,

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you will receive some healing blessing from any

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sounds in the environment, whether they be a gong

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bath, you know, a crystal bowl bath, you know,

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any kind of live music, wonderful recorded music

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from speakers. Yes, all of those things will to

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some degree support vagal tone, but not

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necessarily optimally. To have optimal

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stimulation, the Researchers have discovered 5

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hertz to 10 hertz is needed. Right. And that's

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where this audio heterodyne discovery comes in.

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So what's this word, heterodyne? It basically

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means to mix frequencies together to create new

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frequencies. Now, the word is used a lot in the

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electronics industry. It's very common because in

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radio communications and other forms of

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telecommunications, it's used all of the time for

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mixing frequencies together to create new

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frequencies. But in the audio world, it's not

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known. And this was a really peculiar discovery,

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you know, that I made because I had been in sound

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all of my life, right? And I didn't know about

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this. This phenomenon in nature. And nobody else

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did either, by the way, because after making the

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discovery, I then reached out to many different

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colleagues that I have known around the world.

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You know, acousticians, acoustics engineers and

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so on. Sound engineers. Nobody knew about this

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phenomenon. So it's really peculiar.

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That phenomenon being the very, very low.

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John Stuart Reid: Frequencies, the creation of low Vs. Extremely

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low frequencies in real time. So let's be clear

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about this, Meredith. They are not on the album.

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None of these albums contain these low

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frequencies. Right. And how we know that.

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Oh.

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John Stuart Reid: Is because.

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So it's not on the recording, but it is when you

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turn on the cymascope you're capturing them in

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the playing.

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John Stuart Reid: When you play it is when. Yeah, it's only when

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you play it.

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Okay, now I understand the mystery a little

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better.

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John Stuart Reid: What's happening?

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Wow.

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John Stuart Reid: In the studio, when they master an album, they

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roll off. They call it roll off all the

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frequencies below 20 hertz deliberately. And the

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reason they do that, Meredith, is because speaker

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systems in particular, cannot handle these really

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low frequencies. In fact, if you put these really

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low frequencies, if you inject them into a

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speaker system, the cone of the speaker flaps

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about. It doesn't like them. It can't handle

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them. Right. So this is why it's deliberately

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mastered in that way. So every. That's how I know

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none of these albums have frequencies below 20

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hertz. So this was the big surprise. Right. So

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what happens is the mixing, this heterodyning, as

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it's called heterodyning, happens not in sound,

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but in the electrical domain. If you think about

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a CD player, compact disc player, or think about

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a digital media player, it will have an output

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usually there. If they're a discrete player, it

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will have literally two RCA connectors or

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something on the back. Right. That then connect

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into your amplification system, whether that be,

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you know, a stereo system or whatever. Right. So

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where this magic happens is in the electrical

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signal path after it leaves the CD player or

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leaves the digital media player. It happens in

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the electrical domain, not sound. So all of the

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signals from the CD player or the digital media

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player, after it comes out of the laser, say in a

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CD player. Right. For example, it then goes

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through a process of digital to audio

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transposition. So it becomes audio. But an audio

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signal is not sound. You know, audio is an

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electrical signal that obviously represents the

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sound. It's, you know, it's sympathetic

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sympathize with the sound, but it's not sound.

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It's electrical. These are electrical signals in

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that signal path. It doesn't become sound until

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it eventually goes through an amplifier and into

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a speaker system or into headphones. Then it is

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transposed into sound. So these frequencies that

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I'm referring to, these heterodyne frequencies,

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or mixing and creating new frequencies in the

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electrical domain. Right. And then they go

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through the amplification and ultimately through

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the speaker system or in this case, through

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headphones, and become literally sound that you

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hear, or sound, in the case of these very low

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frequencies, you don't hear them, but your vagus

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nerve system will thank you for them. It will

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experience this optimal stimulation that it

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apparently needs, you know, to be properly well

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tuned, as it were. So it's a very exciting

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discovery and where I'm hoping this will go

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eventually is it will eventually find itself in

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clinical environments. Because I would love to

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see situation where there's a clinical version of

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this very simple technology really where people

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in hospitals that are, you know, perhaps

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particularly long stay patients in hospitals are

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going to receive this vagal, optimal vagal

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stimulation. So let's just back up and talk a

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little bit about these headphones. Because if you

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don't have the right headphones, as you were

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saying.

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And also I wanted to know if it works off of a

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streaming, if you're streaming the music or does

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it have to be from a physical disc playing.

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John Stuart Reid: Yeah, I hear what you say. So. Well, in terms of

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streaming, unfortunately most music that you will

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receive via say YouTube or you know, any other

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platform is compressed, heavily compressed. This

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means that it's not high quality. You know, to

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get the results that we're referring to here, the

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healing blessing, you really need WAV files. Now

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when you download music digitally from, from

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online, most of the music that you will Download

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would be MP3, for example, would be a very. Which

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heavily compressed. This means a lot of the data

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is missing from that. And we as humans

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unfortunately have come to come to accept this

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very poor version of music that we experience.

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We've got used to it. It's not until you actually

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do a direct comparison with MP3 versus WAV files,

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for example, or FLAC files that you then go. If

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you have a direct comparison where you have two

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speakers and one, you know, one plays or two

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speaker systems and one's playing MP3 and then

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suddenly you turn a switch and it goes to wave.

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Oh, immediately you notice the difference. Wow,

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this is so much nicer. You see. But generally

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people just get used to this, you know, very poor

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compression, MP3 compression. So no, it won't

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provide the optimal results.

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You must, you really, you want to choose your

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music and then order.

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John Stuart Reid: That whoever you like. Say for example. Yeah, if

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you think about, we were talking about Dream of

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the Blue Whale there. Anders Holt, you know

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Anders, it says his website is Anders A N D E R S

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and then a hyphen or a dash in the middle. And

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then Holt is H O L T e dot com. If you go to his

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website and you were to buy, you know, their

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Dream of the Blue Whale. If you buy it, they do,

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they do supply them as CDs. You can buy them as

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CDs and you know you're going to get very high

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quality. Right? But a lot of people are not

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buying CDs these days, you know, and they're

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going for digital downloads. Well, the standard

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digital download from Anders Holt and from most

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suppliers of music is MP3. But if you ask Anders

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for the WAV files version, he will supply it.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And that's also true of most music. Most

Meredith Oke:

indie music, for example, you can buy it as WAV

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files or FLAC files, which is another form of

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audio.

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So you really want to make sure that you, if

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you're going to do the downloaded version.

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John Stuart Reid: Yeah, if you want, you have to have this very

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high quality. And the other thing you have to do

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is to listen only through high quality

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headphones. So earbuds, these little earbuds,

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they won't cut it. No, they, they fall off at

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20Hz. Bone conduction headphones, they won't cut

Meredith Oke:

it. They fall off at 20Hz. Right. Or not even

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higher then. If you talk about Bluetooth

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headphones, they won't cut it. So any wireless,

Meredith Oke:

Any wireless.

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My audience doesn't do Bluetooth headphones. They

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don't want to microwave in their ear.

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John Stuart Reid: No, no, no. You must have cord attached

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headphones. And even when you buy cord attached,

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you must look for the frequency response,

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published frequency response, and make sure it

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starts at either 4 hertz or 5 hertz. Then you

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know you're going to get the very, very best

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quality and healing blessing. Otherwise, most

Meredith Oke:

headphones will be published at 20Hz starting

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frequency. Right. Which is not.

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Okay. So the standard, the standard headphone, if

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you're not checking carefully, is 20. You need to

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check to make sure it's five. And you need to

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make sure the source of the sound or the music is

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high quality, is high quality and not a

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compressed file. I'm so interested in this

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compressed audio because it's, it's reminding me

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of like our LED light bulbs where we've just, we

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keep kind of compressing everything to what we

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think is just the stuff we need. And we're

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leaving out so many things so much across the

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spectrum that our biology really needs, whether

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it's light or sound or anything else so

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interesting. Is there for headphones, is there a

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brand? I think you mentioned one last time, Easy

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to find.

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John Stuart Reid: The brand I particularly mention is Bayer. That's

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a German brand. B E Y E R. Bayer Dynamic. What

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are yours, what are your headphones?

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These are, they say DT770 on the side.

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John Stuart Reid: That's right. Well, that's the, that's the

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number. And then the model number is DT770PRO.

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Now when you, when you look, if you're going to

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buy these head. The wonderful thing about these

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headphones, Meredith, is that they're not hugely

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expensive. You know, even though you're getting

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this tremendously great frequency response. It

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starts at 5 hertz and it goes up to 35,000 hertz,

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which is really amazing for the, for the. What

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you pay for these things. Headphones. If you buy,

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you know, you can buy. You can pay a thousand

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dollars for headphones, right? And then you might

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get a tiny little bit extra, you know, in the

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specification. So this is why I go particularly

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for this model, because they're not outrageously

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expensive and yet they have this superb frequency

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response. So the DT770.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, I do. I don't remember how much these were,

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but I think they were less than $100.

Meredith Oke:

John Stuart Reid: Yeah, they're in the kind of hugely expensive

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ballpark, somewhere around there in that range.

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So it's really good value when you think what

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healing you're going to get from these headphones.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. If you're for that healing mechanism, it's

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like, absolutely. So, okay, so we'll have one

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more question because before you have one, before.

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John Stuart Reid: You must talk about the ohmic value. This is the

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resistance of the headphones to a signal. So when

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you look at the model DT770, it's available in

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several different ohmic values. It's available in

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32 ohms. That is only for PCs, Android devices,

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stereo systems. If you have an Apple product, you

Meredith Oke:

go for the 88.0ohm model, right? If so, any Apple

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device, it could be an Apple iPhone, ipod, iPad,

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or, you know, imac computer. Any of Those is the

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80 ohm. And then you'll also see a 250 ohm. They

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are only for professional recording studios, so

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forget that one. But then you'll also see another

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model which is DT770 Pro X and the X is 48 ohm.

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And that is universally acceptable for Android

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and Apple products. So the X is a kind of special

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edition that they've just brought out. I don't

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know how long it's going to be there, but, you

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know, if you go for the X, it means you can, you

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can use it on any, any device, basically. So.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, there you go.

Meredith Oke:

Got it. All right, so we're all. We're squared

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away to make sure we have the ideal headphones to

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hear those lower frequencies which we require for

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our vagal toning. What about. So I have a teenage

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daughter and they are all. They're all back into

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vinyl. So we have a record player in Our living

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room. What about listening to record players?

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Does that have the effect? Is that even better

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than CDs?

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John Stuart Reid: No, it's not. It's not even better. And because,

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you know, there are some limitations even with

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vinyl, however, I would say it's certainly equal

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to cd, CD quality. And you know, it's analog, of

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course, which is a wonderful thing. So there's

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no, no chopping up at all. But there's still some

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limitations because you, you are literally

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talking about a stylus wiggling its way through a

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groove, you know, so there are still some

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limitations. But if you get really, a really high

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quality pickup cartridge, you know, they have to

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be high quality. Again, it's the same as like

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when you buy any stereo equipment, it should be

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high quality if you want to get the best results.

Meredith Oke:

And the same is true of pickup cartridges. So

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again, you can look at the frequency response

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that's published for pickup cartridges. There are

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so many really cheap vinyl players now coming

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out, you know, manufacturers jumping on the

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bandwagon because vinyl starting to come back. So

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you've got to beware a little bit, you know, when

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you're doing your buying. But the best quality

Meredith Oke:

vinyl records for sure, equal and some extent

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even exceed CD quality. But you've got to then

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only get the very, very best, of course.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so it all. So the quality matters. So vinyl

Meredith Oke:

CDs, WAV files, and make sure we have the right

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headphones that are capturing those lower

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frequencies.

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John Stuart Reid: Absolutely.

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I want to, and I do. I think we. So we talked

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about this on our last interview, but when you

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explained about those lower frequencies and the

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vagal tone and how it oxygenates the blood, I was

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reminded. I know, I know, I know, I know. We're

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just keeping. I know. There's so many details.

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And I jumped to a completely different topic

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there with the oxygenation. But that is an effect

Meredith Oke:

that is also happening.

Meredith Oke:

John Stuart Reid: Yeah, no, not when you listen to headphones. And

Meredith Oke:

this is the, you know, the.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, not through headphones.

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John Stuart Reid: My vision.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, good.

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John Stuart Reid: To clarify my vision for the future in hospital

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environments and clinical environments is that

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patients would receive music, experience music

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through high quality headphones, just as we've

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been talking right about. But in addition to

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that, they would receive the same music, at least

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the, the bass register of that same music through

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tactile transducers that are embedded into the

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mattress, the substrate of the bed that they're

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lying in right now. The reason for that is

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because these tactile transducers can go down to

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5 hertz very, very easily. Right Unlike speakers,

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you know, speaker, as we were talking earlier,

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most speakers, when they're getting down to 25

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hertz, they're starting to not feel very

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comfortable. The cone starts to flap around quite

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a lot. Even big, big, big woofer speakers don't

Meredith Oke:

like anything lower than about 25 hertz. But

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tactile transducers is a different style of

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transducer that can go right down to 5 hertz. So

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if you had a hospital bed in which were embedded

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these tactile transducers, it would mean that

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this music that the patient is experiencing

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through the high quality headphones is

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simultaneously experiencing through the base

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register, is coming up through the mattress into

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their body, basically. And what that does, as we

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talked about last time, it's causing oxygen

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that's dissolved in the bloodstream of the

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patient to bind more efficiently to the

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hemoglobin molecules in the red blood cells. In

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other words, it's helping the oxygenation level

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of the patient, which without them having to do

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anything. Right. I mean, basically, you know, the

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whole point of the heart is to circulate the

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blood primarily, but the secondary aspect of the

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heart is to create pressure pulses which we call

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heartbeats. Right. These pressure pulses are low

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frequency sound that literally causes the oxygen.

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It's one of the mechanisms that causes the oxygen

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dissolved in the bloodstream from your

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respiration to bind to the hemoglobin and

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therefore bring healing oxygen to all of the

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tissues of your body. Now, if you're in a, if

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you're prone, if you're supine, rather in a

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hospital bed, and you are, perhaps you've got

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weak respiration, you, perhaps you've got weak

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heart. Right. Then you are at risk, obviously. I

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know that. Okay, okay. They can give you oxygen

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through a candula or whatever, you know, they can

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give you additional oxygen. But here's a way,

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another way for you to improve the efficiency of

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absorption of oxygen in your body. And oxygen is

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the key healing molecule. It's needed for all of

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the healing mechanisms, almost all of the healing

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mechanisms in your body. So you need a good

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supply of oxygen to heal, basically. Therefore,

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if you were experiencing music, not only would

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you, through these good quality headphones

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simultaneously through the tactile transducers in

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the bed. Wow. You would really support the

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healing of that patient. And that's the vision

Meredith Oke:

that I have for the future, you know, of

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frequency medicine in the clinical environment.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. You could have the headphones, the

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vibration, maybe a red light panel.

Meredith Oke:

John Stuart Reid: Oh, yes, you're talking.

Meredith Oke:

And, and a cymatics a cymatic printout of your.

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Of your own.

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John Stuart Reid: Yeah, you could.

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That could be a mandatory session every day in

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the hospital or there are people here with

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healing clinics like, this is. This is all the

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things.

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John Stuart Reid: No, but you know that this is. It is a bit of a

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challenge to be able to communicate the science

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of frequency medicine to mainstream clinicians

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who have got.

Meredith Oke:

That's why we're all here, John. That's why the

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QVC podcast exists. We're gonna do it. I believe

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in us. I believe in you. You are going to make

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this a little more mainstream.

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John Stuart Reid: I was just talking.

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Yes.

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John Stuart Reid: I was just talking yesterday about with a

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university in the US teaching university, who

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have a med school, and for the first time,

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they're going to be teaching nutrition. Meredith.

Meredith Oke:

Now, what do you think of that? You know, lo and

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behold, you know that. That good nutrition

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actually helps to heal the body. Well, what a

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surprise.

Meredith Oke:

You know, we're here talking about low, lower

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frequency and frequency and they're like,

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actually, if you eat real food. Yeah, that's

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where they're at.

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John Stuart Reid: You know, a long time ago, I think it's going

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back almost 20 years now, in the UK, there was a

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wonderful program. I'm not sure, I don't think it

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was on BBC in my memory. I think it was a

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commercial program channel. But anyway, this, it

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was called the, the Food Hospital. It wasn't

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literally a hospital, it was a program, but it

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just had that title. Right. But what they. Anyone

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who came into this program for healing had to be

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someone who had gone the mainstream route that

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been to their GP or their hospital, you know, for

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whatever problem they had, and they had given

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them all of the, you know, standard protocols and

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it had not helped. So this was the kind of. These

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were the people who could not be helped. And then

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they came to this program, the Food Hospital. And

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in every single case, these people were healed,

Meredith Oke:

were cured of whatever their malady was, right?

Meredith Oke:

Every single case. Just through high quality

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nutrition. Very, very targeted nutrition, by the

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way, not just, you know, average nutrition, but

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targeted very carefully. And yet. And then after

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I, I don't know how many months of this beautiful

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program, they discontinued it. Now, I always

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wondered about that. Who pulled the plug on this

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program and why, when all of these people were

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being helped, Right? And then it also makes me

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question, why do med schools not teach nutrition?

Meredith Oke:

Why? What is the reason behind that? Well, you

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know, perhaps this university in the US I better

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not name them right now, but because, you know, I

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don't know where they're headed with this. But

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perhaps this university in the US who is

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beginning to teach in the med school section,

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beginning to teach nutrition. Perhaps that will

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be the beginning, Meredith, of the snowball that

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gradually gathers and other med schools will.

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Will take heed and say, oh, I think we should add

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nutrition. You know, I mean, it's crazy situation

Meredith Oke:

when high quality nutrition is needed by the body

Meredith Oke:

for all the healing processes. So it's really

Meredith Oke:

amazing.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, no, it's crazy. And they don't even study

Meredith Oke:

nutrition, let alone, you know, and you, you

Meredith Oke:

know, you mentioned how difficult it is to. To

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translate frequency medicine and frequency

Meredith Oke:

science into mainstream. And it's like, why is

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that so hard? Like, why are they not. Why is the

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foundation not being laid for that? Because the

Meredith Oke:

stepping stones to understand through all the

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different mechanisms are there.

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John Stuart Reid: Yes. And also, Meredith.

Meredith Oke:

So I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna posit an answer

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to that.

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John Stuart Reid: No.

Meredith Oke:

But it's rhetorically easier.

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John Stuart Reid: In fact, you know, recently I was teaching.

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Teaching. I am still teaching a course with SHIFT

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Network. And I wanted to be able to share with

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the students in this course the what. What. What

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AI thinks about this situation with mainstream.

Meredith Oke:

And, you know, where are they headed with it

Meredith Oke:

with. In terms of alternative technologies such

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as light and sound, for example. And so I asked

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the question of AI, and this particular AI that I

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asked came back with a wonderful expose of how

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mainstream medicine is gradually moving toward a

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holistic. A more holistic view. And I thought,

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wow, this is really amazing. So, because when you

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think about it, Meredith, AI is basically is the

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mainstream view. It's gathering. You know, this

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is a computer system that's gathering data from

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all around the world, basically. But it's a

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mainstream view that it's giving you. It'll never

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give you anything alternative. Well, not

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generally, anyway. And so I was really excited to

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see this. But then also other information which

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gives me support for this idea is the fact that

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if you go to your doctor with some kind of a skin

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condition and they refer you to a hospital, for

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example, to a, you know, dermatology department,

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they will give you light therapy. You usually

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call it phototherapy in a hospital setting, or

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photobiomodulation, which is a branch of

Meredith Oke:

frequency medicine. Right. It's light.

Meredith Oke:

Indeed. Yeah.

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John Stuart Reid: It's not a drug.

Meredith Oke:

I mean, if. If you're lucky to get a hospital

Meredith Oke:

that does that. Yes, yeah, most of them do.

Meredith Oke:

John Stuart Reid: And. And then the other aspect to this, which

Meredith Oke:

again gives me heart, is this new clinical term,

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music medicine. This is a new clinical term.

Meredith Oke:

Right. So it's not.

Meredith Oke:

I Didn't realize that music therapy, you.

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John Stuart Reid: Know, music therapy has been around since the

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1950s, I would say, and it's still, you know,

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very much, very strong therapy today where you

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have a qualified therapist who will sit with a

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patient and help the patient make music choices.

Meredith Oke:

And it's a kind of, it's also a psychological,

Meredith Oke:

it's a talk therapy as well as music. Right. But

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now, lo and behold, Meredith, they have

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discovered that music has healing qualities even

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without the therapist. Right. And this is really

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good news. And they've added this new clinical

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term, music medicine. So you won't find every

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clinician talking about it yet. But again, it's a

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snowball that has begun and it will grow with

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time. And so, and there are many studies now, you

Meredith Oke:

know, evidence based medicine showing that music

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has therapeutic qualities. Right.

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Wonderful.

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John Stuart Reid: It is wonderful.

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Yes, though I, it. And it's, you know, what I

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love about it too is it's fun, right? Like go

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outside and sit under a tree. It's. That's

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healthy for you. And listen to these, to the

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sounds of nature and listen to music. And it, it

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doesn't have to be terribly complicated. And

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these are things we can do ourselves because as

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you mentioned, you know, you go to so many people

Meredith Oke:

are in that gray area where they go to their GP

Meredith Oke:

and they're not in a crisis and the gp, you know,

Meredith Oke:

there's no real answer in mainstream medicine

Meredith Oke:

because. And yet their quality of life is

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suffering to some extent. And so I love to be

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able to share these beautiful, all of these

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beautiful things that we can do that we're meant

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to be doing. And, and I have an, one last

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question around all this. So in the last

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conversation when I was, I was reminded of an

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experience I had with my third pregnancy where I

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was due to go into labor, but I wasn't going into

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labor. And I attended a family drum night at my

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children's school. So I was in a room with this

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big circle of drummers and that night I went into

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labor. And so after you talked about the effect

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of sound on the body, I thought, oh, maybe that

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was a connection. And I'm wondering too about

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live music because that, as you said, as the, the

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you know, popularity of compressed streaming

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music, you know, that's basically all anyone

Meredith Oke:

listens to, especially the kids, because they all

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listen to it on their phones. But in parallel to

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that, there is a huge increase in young people

Meredith Oke:

going to live music like these, like local

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concerts, big, big concert, all of them. They

Meredith Oke:

sell out every time, all the time. Like the

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children the young people are just desperate to

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like get in front of the music and the musicians.

Meredith Oke:

So what's the, what's the impact of being there

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in the room with the instruments and the singers?

Meredith Oke:

John Stuart Reid: Wow. It's a really wonderful impact because of

Meredith Oke:

course, the, the, there are, there is no chopping

Meredith Oke:

up, you know, no digital chopping up. You see,

Meredith Oke:

you get the real music from the instruments.

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Well, via the amplification system, of course,

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but these amplification systems are extremely

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high fidelity. So you're going to get absolutely

Meredith Oke:

superb massage and all of the benefits from the

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music that you could possibly receive. Because,

Meredith Oke:

you know, the, you know, we've talked today about

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oxygen binding that happens with the low

Meredith Oke:

frequencies. We've talked about the vagus nerve

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system getting a good tune up, you know, via the

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pinna of the ears. But we haven't talked about

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nitric oxide. And nitric oxide is another

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wonderful molecule in the body that it's not as

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important, let's say, as oxygen, but it's second

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important, second in importance. And that's

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created through resonance in the paranasal sinus

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cavities and in the lungs. So you won't get it

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through listening to music through headphones.

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You get all the other, excuse me, you get all the

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other benefits. But you will get, if you go to a

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music concert, you can imagine your paranasal

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sinus cavities. Excuse me, I'll just have a

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little drink here.

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Sure.

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John Stuart Reid: Your parent, your paranasal sinus cavities will

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get a good, really good stimulation where the

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nitric oxide is created. Oodles and oodles of

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nitric oxide, you know, will be created there for

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you and in your lungs. So the paranasal sinus

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cavities have Helmholtz resonant frequencies

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between 1kHz 1000Hz and 2000Hz, which you will

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get from live music for sure. And the lungs

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between 100Hz and 150Hz depending on your body

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size and so on. Again, you'll get that, lots of

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that from live music. So when, when you or I or

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young person goes to experience music at a

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concert, like, I'm thinking of Taylor Swift here

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in particular for a reason I'll come back to in a

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moment. But you know, if you go to a concert like

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that, you're going to come away with your

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bloodstream super oxygenated because nitric

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oxide, not only because of the oxygen binding

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that we've been referring to, but also one of the

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many aspects, blessings that you get from nitric

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oxide is vasodilation so all of your blood

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vessels are going to be dilated beautifully and

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naturally by the nitric oxide that you will. Will

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be created by the higher frequencies,

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particularly in the paranasal sinus cavities,

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from this live music. So, oh, my goodness, you're

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going to get so many healing benefits. And the

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reason I mentioned particularly about Taylor

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Swift is because, you know, this new. This

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wonderful new Cymascope app that we talked about

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earlier, I did a. I did a little demo video which

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is embedded within the app. So, you know, because

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navigating around apps can sometimes be a little

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bit tricky if you don't. If you're not familiar

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with them. It's all supposed to be intuitive,

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but. But, you know, it's not necessarily in many

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cases, and in this case, there are a few aspects

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of the app that I thought, well, I better do a

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little demo. And in this demo, one of the aspects

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I talk about, Meredith, is when you make a video

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because you can press a record button within the

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app. And so if you're making vocal sounds or

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musical instrument sounds and you're seeing all

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this gorgeous imagery coming up, you. You can

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record that. Well, let's say you go to a Taylor

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Swift concert, or let's say you're downloading or

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you're listening to some Taylor Swift Music on

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YouTube just as an example. Right. And you are

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making visible some of Taylor Swift's beautiful

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vocals and the instrumentals that go with it. And

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then let's say you would post that video on, you

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know, tik tok or YouTube or, you know, wherever.

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Instagram. Can you imagine the consequences of

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that? You know, of you recording some of Taylor

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Swift's music and making it visible and then

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posting that online? Oh, my goodness, you would

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be in so much trouble. Right. So this is why in

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the app, when you press the record button, the

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first thing that happens is there's a popup note,

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a warning notice telling you only use your own

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music, you know?

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Yes.

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John Stuart Reid: Not Taylor Swift's or anybody else's, because

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that's copyright. You cannot do it. If you did

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it, you would get into a lot of trouble.

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A lot of trouble. Yes. I've recently become

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deeply familiar with the community guidelines on

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YouTube. And copyright infringement is a

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deletable offense. You will get kicked off right

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away.

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John Stuart Reid: Be so careful.

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Yes. No, you do. But that's. That's amazing to

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hear about the. The live aspect. It is.

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John Stuart Reid: And also you mentioned drumming, Meredith.

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Drumming. Well, you know, drumming. We talked

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earlier about this idea that your heartbeat is

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actually. They are. They are actually pulses. Of

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low frequency sound. You know, the center

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frequency of a heart sound is average, is about

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100 hertz, sometimes a little bit lower than

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that, but it's a low frequency sound. And that

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causes oxygen to bind or helps to that process of

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oxygen binding that's dissolved in the

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bloodstream and then it binds to the hemoglobin

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every time there's a heartbeat. Well, the same

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thing happens with drumming. You know, every drum

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beat is a pulse of low frequency sound. And low

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frequency sound penetrates deeply into your body.

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In fact, if it's low enough, it goes right

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through your body. Actually, a very low frequency

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sound goes traveling literally right through your

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body. So can you imagine now that if you're

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involved in a drumming circle that every single

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beat is helping the oxygenation level of your in

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your bloodstream? So that's a wonderful thing.

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It's a very healing thing to do, you know, to

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drum. And of course it's one of the first musical

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instruments to be created by humankind. You know,

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I don't think it's the very first. I think the

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very first was actually a flute using animal

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bones. But, but the, the drum came, you know, not

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much later than that. And so it's a wonderful

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thing to do is drumming. Very healing.

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Okay, I'm going to, what I'm going to do next is

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I'm going to download the Cymatics app and then

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I'm going to go get. I have a big drum that I got

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for my children when they were younger and I'm

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going to drum into the app.

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John Stuart Reid: If I go back to the app now, just quickly. Hang

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on, just. I go back to the app now. You, you

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might be able to see here, for those of you who

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are actually watching this on video, where my

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finger is here, you might be able to see musical

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notes popping up. Right. So it's basically

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showing you that those frequency, the dominant

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frequencies that I mentioned earlier, it's

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showing you the dominant frequency in terms of a

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musical note. Well, this app actually goes way

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beyond what's possible for a human being to sing.

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It goes down at 27 Hz, which is the lowest note

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on a piano. Right. Where I mentioned that the

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lowest note that a human being male can make is,

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is about 60 hertz. This goes down to 27 and it

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goes way up to 2,200 or something, which is again

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way beyond, beyond a female soprano can make. You

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know, so it's much broader spectrum bandwidth,

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you could say than a human being can make. But

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your drumming will probably, if it's a Big drum

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will probably get down to that 27 hertz. So what

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you should do, Meredith, is when you're playing

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the drum, watch that note. See, see how low you

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can get. It'll show you, you know, the, the note,

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the lowest note that the drum can make. And

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that'll be interesting.

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Oh, that'll be so fun. That'll be my Saturday

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afternoon project.

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John Stuart Reid: You know, the other wonderful thing is it's only

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$12 and a lot of apps.

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Great.

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John Stuart Reid: Have so much where you have to buy other stuff

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within the app. This is not the case. This app is

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only $12 and that's it. You don't pay anything

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more ever. And, and yet.

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Oh, fantastic.

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John Stuart Reid: Within the app, if you go to that top left burger

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bar, you'll find not only a demonstration of how

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to use the app, but you'll also find a section on

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articles. And those articles have some really

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wonderful information about some sound therapy,

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music, medicine and so on. So it's a beautiful.

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So there's education that we can add to, by the

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way, because that aspect of the app, the article

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section is not within the app. It's, it's, it's

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like online. So we can add to that. So as you,

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you buy the app, but next month we probably add

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another article and then next month another one

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and so on. So you'll be building a library of

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specific specialist knowledge within the app and

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that's a really great tool to have at your

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disposal.

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Oh, that's really wonderful. Yeah. We have a lot

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of practitioners who listen to this, so they

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always, they love the new information.

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John Stuart Reid: Excellent.

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So beautiful. And just to recap, because I think,

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you know, you're bringing together so many of

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our, of our worlds here, John, with. Our bodies

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are filled with structured water, communicating

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with light, communicating with sound. Sound. And

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now you've created this app where we can print

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out the structure of our own voice imprint. And

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so I'm. So we would record our voice, choose an

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image that speaks to us, print it out, put it up

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while we sit outside under a tree and meditate,

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do open eyed meditation, or during our infrared

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sauna time or red light therapy or whatever

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people do, and have the light and the sound and

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the visual biogeometry that came out of our own

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frequency reflecting back to us. Am I, am I

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capturing everything? You are. Because this is

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incredible.

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John Stuart Reid: It's a really. Yeah, you really, you really

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understood exactly what I've been referring to.

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So it is an exciting future that lies ahead for

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humankind, I believe.

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I think so too. I think we're just so lucky to be

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alive right now. There's just so many amazing

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things happening. And thank you for contributing

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to that with your wonderful work. We all really

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appreciate it.

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John Stuart Reid: Well, thank you, Meredith, you know, for

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providing this wonderful platform where knowledge

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can be shared widely. And I'm really grateful to

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you for, for, for that. And, and it's been very

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enjoyable today, and I hope we do it again

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sometime. There's lots more. We could talk.

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I think we will. I feel like every time, we're

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just barely scratching the surface. So, yes,

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let's do it again in a few months, and I'll ask

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everyone to report in on their, on their

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cymatics. Meditation. Meditations, and we can

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talk more about it. I would love that. Thank you,

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John.

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John Stuart Reid: Great. Been a great pleasure. Many blessings,

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Meredith. Bye. Bye.

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Bye.

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