Episode 154
154: How Nikko Kennedy Tapped into Nature’s Quantum Secrets to Overcome Chronic Health Challenges
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“We're made of these energetic reactions...our electrons are flowing between each of these people,” says Nikko Kennedy, Director of Research at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to reveal the stunning hidden layers of how light, quantum effects, and circadian biology shape our health, personality, and even consciousness itself.
Why do some people experience life-changing benefits from simply stepping outside into the sunlight, while others struggle for years to see results? Nikko Kennedy explains how quantum biology is finally illuminating what happens deep within our cells—down to electron tunneling in mitochondria—and why our emotional states, longevity, and even capacity for happiness all trace back to the flow of energy and information at the quantum level. She details how ancient habits like grounding and seasonal rhythms hold the keys to everything from hormone balance to healing trauma, and discusses the explosive new wave of research and technology now being driven by quantum discoveries in biology.
Whether you're curious about the real mechanisms behind energy healing, sound therapy, aromatherapy, or why ancestral lifestyles are so transformational, this conversation offers a perspective that will change the way you see your body, your mind, and the very fabric of reality.
Tune in to this episode of the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to discover why understanding our quantum nature could be the key to unlocking extraordinary human health and potential.
5 Key Takeaways
Harness Natural Light, Ditch Artificial—Start Now.
Morning sunlight, darker evenings, and outdoor time quickly reset your circadian rhythm for better sleep, mood, and energy. Don’t wait—get outside and let nature tune your system.
Put Your Feet on the Ground—Literally.
Grounding isn’t woo—bare skin on earth boosts your mitochondria and repairs your cells at the quantum level. Step outside, touch a tree, walk barefoot. Let the planet recharge you.
Track What Works—Become Your Own Data Point.
Your health improves in cycles—notice what actually shifts for you as you regulate light, sleep, and movement. Journal your changes, use chronotype questionnaires, and own your journey.
Practice Before Prescription—Share Success.
Real-world results start with you and your practitioner. Don’t wait for the next big study—apply, adapt, and share your outcomes. Encourage your healer to track and publish your wins.
Join the Quantum Health Collective—Shape the Future.
Community fuels this revolution. Plug into networks like QBC POD, connect, contribute, and stay updated. This isn’t just science—it’s a movement and you’re invited.
Memorable Quotes
"Our mitochondria are fundamentally operating through the movement of electrons, which are subatomic particles, and they behave in quantum ways. We’ve actually known this theoretically for a long time—physics is highly mathematical—but now we’re finding that the quantum math explains mitochondrial function better than the classical math. And we can actually see electron tunneling happening in real time in living cells, which is just totally amazing and game changing."
"When you optimize circadian biology, it improves mitochondrial repair. Your mitochondria can last longer, be more efficient, and you can build up mitochondrial density. That's one of the ways to gauge someone's energetic health—and it’s linked to personality, mental health, and even how long we live."
"The coming wave of technology is dependent on understanding quantum biology—particularly biological systems like photosynthesis, which preserve quantum effects in real world, environmental conditions. We’re starting to reverse engineer what nature already does at the quantum scale so we can develop new technology that can interact with reality, rather than being fragile or easily disrupted."
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Transcript
Nico Kennedy, welcome back to the QVC podcast. Thank you,
Speaker:Meredith. It's a pleasure to be here. Okay. Always good to have
Speaker:you because you just are so good getting
Speaker:into the research, which is why
Speaker:you are the director of research at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology.
Speaker:Thank you. Yes. There's so much fascinating stuff coming up.
Speaker:I know. Every time I see what you're working on, I'm like, what? Where did
Speaker:she find that? Who knew? Okay, so we're going to talk about some of
Speaker:it today, and it's going to be super fun.
Speaker:Okay, so let's start with one of my favorite
Speaker:topics in a very long, thorough thread
Speaker:of this entire podcast, Circadian rhythms.
Speaker:Right. So anyone who listens to this is,
Speaker:like, committed. Committed to the circadian
Speaker:regulation habit. But there was.
Speaker:You were posting some writing, writing about some things on your sub stack recently
Speaker:that was talking about, like, the deep,
Speaker:deep subtleties of the signaling that's going on.
Speaker:And I thought that would be fun to explore because we all feel,
Speaker:you know, we feel the difference when we look at a screen and then try
Speaker:to sleep or we don't go outside during the day. It's like, it just makes
Speaker:intuitive sense. But I'd love for you to elaborate a little bit on, like,
Speaker:the absolute profound, subtle responses that our
Speaker:bodies are having to light signals. Deep, deep, deep, deep down.
Speaker:Right? So, like, all the way into, like, at the genetic level.
Speaker:I don't know, man. I don't know, man. You.
Speaker:Why don't you walk us through? Why don't you start a little higher and walk
Speaker:us down into it? Okay. Awesome. Yeah. So as you
Speaker:mentioned, we all can flip feel it, like, and that's one of the cool things
Speaker:about using circadian health as modality is that people
Speaker:who start getting into it tend to adhere to the
Speaker:protocols really well because it's really apparent and really
Speaker:fast how. How much better
Speaker:you feel when you do it. So that can happen in,
Speaker:like, two days, Right? And they, like, there was some
Speaker:fascinating camping research that happened in Colorado. They're like, hey, what happens
Speaker:on a weekend camping trip with no artificial light? Oh, wow, look
Speaker:at everyone's circadian rhythm stabilizing. And everyone starts having, like,
Speaker:an earlier, more healthy chronotype that's immediate within just one
Speaker:weekend of change. So
Speaker:what I started digging into were two
Speaker:different branches. One was that,
Speaker:why are there people having outsize effects that are way beyond what
Speaker:we can explain with circadian biology alone? And that was how I ended up going
Speaker:into quantum scale. The other is that,
Speaker:why does it sometimes take A lot longer
Speaker:for certain people to experience the full
Speaker:benefits of it. And then what are the long term impacts of
Speaker:circadian rhythms? And so that was where I ended up in methylation
Speaker:research and finding out that for certain people it could take like
Speaker:two annual cycles because when genes get all mucked
Speaker:up at the epigenetic level, they need methylation. Methylation.
Speaker:And we need demethylation. And that happens on a seasonal
Speaker:cycle. So. Interesting. Okay, so just those are
Speaker:like two brains, Just to clarify. Okay, so some people,
Speaker:or most people, I would say, have their
Speaker:circadian rhythms regulated pretty quickly if they adhere to
Speaker:natural light and dark cycles. Yes. Then you're saying there's some
Speaker:outliers that take a lot longer and that is
Speaker:a genetic variable. Yep. Yeah, so. Or it had to be
Speaker:genetic variable epigenetics. So we have genetics. Okay, let's not get too deep in it.
Speaker:Okay. And then, and then the third, the third
Speaker:bucket is people who have
Speaker:like outsized effects. And are you
Speaker:talking about in terms of recovering from
Speaker:symptoms or just what are we talking about
Speaker:with, with those. So like they regulate their circadian rhythms and
Speaker:you get way more stuff happening than you would expect.
Speaker:Like what kind of stuff? Yeah, things like
Speaker:no more sleep paralysis, waking nightmares. Right.
Speaker:And that's like. Yeah, that makes sense. Circadian's health. Then there's people
Speaker:who are like,
Speaker:everything in my life is different. I am suddenly
Speaker:so much happier, I have energy, I'm completely transforming my life. I
Speaker:am quitting my job and going into a completely new direction.
Speaker:These kinds of things that are indirectly related to a
Speaker:person's energy level and then also
Speaker:indirect. Like they're like, oh, I want to improve my
Speaker:fertility, I'm having trouble conceiving, for example. But then they
Speaker:start doing light and health and things and they end up having
Speaker:other things like their immune system.
Speaker:Oh, I thought I was autoimmune. And now I'm not having those flare ups anymore.
Speaker:Right. So they will go into it for one direction, but then they will have
Speaker:something that's completely like unrelated or not the target symptom
Speaker:that they were doing this for that resolves. And they will think, I
Speaker:had that since childhood. I never thought that was something that would go away.
Speaker:And so in. So you have outliers where it takes a long
Speaker:time for anything to happen. And then you have outliers where it's like
Speaker:that the circadian regulation was like a switch that needed to be flipped. Yeah.
Speaker:Once it's flipped, it's like there are just cascading benefits
Speaker:throughout their Health across the health spectrum.
Speaker:Yeah, you've got. Okay, all right,
Speaker:so what's going on? Yeah, so
Speaker:it's really amazing looking at different things and at different
Speaker:scales because we could always just look at it
Speaker:like these are the experiences and that's that. And
Speaker:some people who are working in this modality, like we're talk, we're working
Speaker:at the institute with practitioners of way different
Speaker:scope of practice. So some of our people
Speaker:are surgeons, for example. So they are seeing someone for a very
Speaker:particular condition, for a very particular time bound response
Speaker:and doing a highly invasive medical procedure. And then
Speaker:they're using circadian health to understand recovery patterns or timing of
Speaker:those surgeries or you know, medications like
Speaker:leading up to it. Right. All kinds of different things related to this acute situation.
Speaker:All the way down to we have people who are energy
Speaker:workers or bodyworkers, like they're doing massage that's like very, very light
Speaker:touch. But they're still informing their patients about these things. So we have like
Speaker:way broad level of application.
Speaker:And what's really interesting about these different responses
Speaker:people have to the circadian rhythm stuff is that it can be
Speaker:like very effective at all different kinds of levels
Speaker:and it's not always predictable at this point. And
Speaker:that's part of where it would be really interesting to have some more research done
Speaker:on individual variation to understand like who's
Speaker:likely to respond better to what treatments, you know, do we need
Speaker:to work more on evening light protocols? Usually I recommend
Speaker:that before starting with the morning protocols. Right. It's easier
Speaker:to tune the night environment than to like get the discipline to wake up in
Speaker:the morning. So within all of
Speaker:this spread of variability, there become a lot of really interesting questions
Speaker:in terms of like, would it be easier to, would it be
Speaker:possible to find out if someone doesn't
Speaker:respond immediately, how much longer would
Speaker:it likely take for them? Like in terms of those longer term methylation patterns?
Speaker:A lot of that epigenetic layer has to do with like trauma,
Speaker:early life trauma. Right. Emotional patterns can change the way that the
Speaker:body's sense of safety is happening. And then based on that
Speaker:sense of safety, then their epigenetic profile is going to be more or less
Speaker:malleable to change. So yeah, there's a
Speaker:whole like buckets and buckets and buckets of questions that we can,
Speaker:as we're talking with practitioners is, as I'm interviewing them and saying, like, where are
Speaker:you finding success? Where are you still struggling?
Speaker:Because some of our people are dealing with patients and not
Speaker:everyone that's a practitioner with us is
Speaker:Advertising that they are savvy with quantum biology. Right. A lot of
Speaker:them are just still doing their regular thing. They're like, I'm a functional
Speaker:medicine doctor. And then they get people. And then I was talking
Speaker:with one woman and she has a patient, she says, I don't even know how
Speaker:this person found me. They haven't been outside in 17 years and they're
Speaker:terrified of the sun. Wow. And they're having all
Speaker:kinds of like these like, you know, neurotic
Speaker:kinds of behaviors. And so how does she. She's like, I don't even know where
Speaker:to go because I mentioned going in the sun. And they're, you know, just shaking
Speaker:in their boots over that. They basically spend their entire life
Speaker:indoors. So this is. Wow.
Speaker:Listen, I just want to say to everybody, if you're feeling a little guilty because
Speaker:like you're sleeping through sunrise with the time change or whatever, you know what you're
Speaker:doing. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:There are people who literally never go outside.
Speaker:Yeah. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Early morning
Speaker:light's good for a while. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker:That's. Yeah. It's good to remember the spectrum of people
Speaker:and where they're at. Yeah. So
Speaker:what is happening when.
Speaker:Let's start with sunlight. So what is happening? You mentioned
Speaker:that circadian biology offers a
Speaker:lot of explanation, but it does hit a
Speaker:wall at a certain point in terms of mechanism and mechanisms
Speaker:and explaining these more like full spectrum effects.
Speaker:Right. So if we drop down. So like just give us a quick,
Speaker:you know, biochemical circadian biology and
Speaker:then drop us down into the quantum. What's happening at the quantum
Speaker:level? Okay. When we put our bodies in sunlight.
Speaker:Yeah. The idea with circadian biology is we get light,
Speaker:it comes in through our eyes, a little bit through our skin,
Speaker:tells our brain what time of day it is. And then our brain sends
Speaker:top down cascade of instructions to the
Speaker:rest of the body. That's light and
Speaker:circadian rhythms the ne. And then with darkness, we're
Speaker:in darkness for a certain amount of time. It takes a long time,
Speaker:about to. Some people say three hours for
Speaker:all of that light based stuff to shut down. And once we're in darkness for
Speaker:that long, then the body says, oh, okay, we're going to start
Speaker:nighttime processes. Cellular repair.
Speaker:That doesn't explain things like photobiomodulation,
Speaker:which is what happens with infrared light, for example. So this
Speaker:lower frequency of light that comes in, it penetrates all the
Speaker:way through our body, all the way through our bone, into our brain. Right. This
Speaker:infrared light comes in and mitochondria are particularly
Speaker:sensitive to it and it changes the way mitochondria are
Speaker:firing and it tells them to activate and do more of all of the
Speaker:good things that mitochondria do for us.
Speaker:There's a lot of different explanations about how
Speaker:photomyel modulation is working. And there are
Speaker:certain group of people who are saying we have to understand this at
Speaker:the quantum level, because mitochondria are fundamentally operating
Speaker:through the movement of electrons, which are subatomic
Speaker:particles, and they behave in quantum ways. And we
Speaker:actually have known this theoretically for a long time.
Speaker:Physics is highly mathematical. I'm
Speaker:not going to get into the math, but I just want to give this concept
Speaker:here. Yeah, we have like, we're like math
Speaker:calculations. Right. I'm saying we're trying to
Speaker:predict what we see happening in real life. We see these things happening in real
Speaker:life. So classical physics have a certain set of like, ways that they approach
Speaker:math. Quantum physics has this other way that they are approaching
Speaker:the math. And so lately the battle has kind of been when we're
Speaker:looking at things like mitochondrial function, does the classical math
Speaker:explain it better or does the quantum math explain it better? And oftentimes we're now
Speaker:finding that the quantum math is explaining it better than the classical
Speaker:math. Right. Okay. So
Speaker:we've now have imaging that can show electron
Speaker:tunneling inside of mitochondria in real time, non invasive,
Speaker:like without killing the cell, which is just totally amazing and game
Speaker:changing technology for understanding quantum. Yeah,
Speaker:because actually, see it, Electron tunneling has always
Speaker:been theoretical on any level. Even like
Speaker:the non biological. Right, yeah. Theory of
Speaker:it. Yes. And now we can see it. And now we can see it,
Speaker:which helps to explain things. Like there was a paper that came out earlier
Speaker:this year where they were testing. There's various like, metrics of trying to
Speaker:understand how well mitochondria are functioning. And they found when
Speaker:grounded. Right. Like standing on the earth or electrically
Speaker:grounded. People on this podcast should know what that is. Mitochondria
Speaker:are operating more efficiently. Right. That's really
Speaker:cool. Mitochondria are more efficient and that's. Okay. So, yeah.
Speaker:So when we ground, when we're outside and we are touching a tree
Speaker:or we have bare feet. Yeah. Our
Speaker:mitochondria are operating at a
Speaker:higher level. They're working better. Yeah. And so the,
Speaker:the explanation for that can be found in this
Speaker:electron tunneling process. Yes.
Speaker:Yeah. Okay. They're little, they're little quantum engines. I'm following. I am
Speaker:following. Okay, lovely. Yeah. So proton
Speaker:tunneling is also theoretically true. We haven't exactly.
Speaker:We haven't fully observed that, but we are like working on that. Right. So
Speaker:when you're working, there's like the math theoretical level, and then
Speaker:we're starting to have technologies to be able to show it. Since
Speaker:quantum effects were discovered in the vacuum,
Speaker:people still have the idea that that's where they exist. Just
Speaker:because that was the first place that they were observed. Right.
Speaker:And this is an important point so for people. Because sometimes people
Speaker:come in and they're like, oh, quantum effects and living systems, of course, like I
Speaker:heard it on this podcast. And then they go talk to. To somebody who. To
Speaker:a mainstream physicist. And that person is like,
Speaker:that's crazy. What kind of pseudoscience have you been sucked into
Speaker:on the Internet? And it's because in
Speaker:classical physics, this was these
Speaker:types of this electron tunneling process, these quantum processes,
Speaker:it was agreed that they didn't happen in living systems.
Speaker:So the whole idea that they do just for people to understand. If your brother
Speaker:in law, like teaches. Teaches physics. Thanks.
Speaker:Here being a nut job. Just so you understand, this is. Yeah,
Speaker:this is a totally new idea. Well,
Speaker:actually. Oh, no. But it was suppressed.
Speaker:Right, so. Or sit was. Yeah. I mean, if you
Speaker:want to go back, we could look at where like Einstein
Speaker:era physics, because quantum biology and quantum physics,
Speaker:all that stuff was coming around the same time as he was doing his work.
Speaker:And he worked in the Swiss
Speaker:patent office at the time, so he was dealing with emerging
Speaker:technology. Right. Einstein, that's what he was seeing. And so he
Speaker:pulled. He. A lot of people are like things that he said already
Speaker:existed. I had never considered. That is a really good insight.
Speaker:It was a patent office. He was seeing all the coolest stuff in
Speaker:the world. Exactly. The. So he was seeing
Speaker:the wave and he put together the physics that
Speaker:was suited not to describing reality, but to
Speaker:describing and being useful for the coming wave of technology.
Speaker:Okay, so that brings us to why quantum biology now?
Speaker:Because it was theorized back then,
Speaker:Einstein was like, you know, oh, in quantum entanglement,
Speaker:that's spooky. Action at distance, no superposition. God doesn't
Speaker:play dice with the universe.
Speaker:Electron tunneling happening faster than the speed of light. No, nothing's faster
Speaker:than the speed of light. Right. Like everything that quantum biology, like he rejected,
Speaker:rejected, rejected. And so there was a lot of pushback. But why.
Speaker:So he was rejecting quantum physics. And at the time, was quantum
Speaker:physics linking to biology or did that there. Were people who were starting to make
Speaker:those connections. Yeah, because anything. This would have been like about
Speaker:100 years ago. 100. Yeah. 10 years ago.
Speaker:Okay. Yeah. Anything involving charge transfer, like movement of
Speaker:protons and electrons. Redox biology. All of that stuff is happening
Speaker:at the quantum scale, and life would not exist without it. So there's never
Speaker:really been a question about it. It's just, how is it useful?
Speaker:So that bring us back now, if you're tracking with
Speaker:what kind of patents are happening right now. Right. So I've seen
Speaker:one. It's interesting glasses
Speaker:to put on women to change the timing of their contractions by
Speaker:shining different frequencies of light in their eyes.
Speaker:Okay. Wow. Solar panels that are
Speaker:using melanin from cuddlefish because
Speaker:biological melanin can handle and continue converting solar energy
Speaker:at way higher temperatures than existing solar panel technology.
Speaker:What's another one? Piezoelectricity. They're like
Speaker:piezoelectricity too small to matter. One of our students, some other recent cohorts, we started
Speaker:talking about piezoelectricity. He's like, I don't believe in that. And I'm like, well,
Speaker:we'll see. But they have patents to use piezoelectricity
Speaker:to power the chips that they want to be able to put in people
Speaker:and have it run off of the body's piezoelectricity. So when you look at
Speaker:the. Can you give like a quick explanation for our people of
Speaker:piezoelectricity? Sure. It's just like
Speaker:when you're movie. When your body is moving, that motion,
Speaker:the friction and everything is generating energy that the body can recapture and use
Speaker:again. Okay, these are all patents,
Speaker:and so. These are all patents. That's really cool. So if you're watching the current
Speaker:patent office, you're like, the coming wave of technology
Speaker:is dependent on understanding quantum bottom on
Speaker:quantum. And particularly quantum biology. So that. Yeah. And I had no
Speaker:plans to mention, but like, this patch I'm wearing has a patent
Speaker:that is. That is reflecting back biophotonic. Yeah. Or maybe
Speaker:piezoelectric. I don't know. I'm not too focused on that.
Speaker:Back into the body to have frequency, to
Speaker:create frequencies, to have biological effects. Yeah,
Speaker:exactly. So the coming wave of technology
Speaker:is like the next era is quantum. And so that's why now
Speaker:quantum biology research is suddenly funded.
Speaker:Okay. I was wondering because as you and I have
Speaker:discussed and I'll be sharing this and some upcoming communications.
Speaker:Yeah. Like the quantum independent quantum biology labs of like,
Speaker:are exploding. Like, there's. There are so many, which is amazing. It's
Speaker:really exciting. But I was kind of like, okay, now
Speaker:I understand. They. They need. They need to
Speaker:Expand the technology, the understanding of the science to
Speaker:create the technology. And the patents are starting to show up.
Speaker:Yes. And these patents rely on a
Speaker:mechanistic explanation which would require quantum biology.
Speaker:Exactly. You've got it. Okay. So,
Speaker:yeah, it's exciting and neat and we're finding out all
Speaker:kinds of cool things. The future direction for this technology
Speaker:boom is what they've been doing is they've been trying to start
Speaker:from the ground up and build quantum systems. And they're really.
Speaker:It's getting quite frustrating for them to build. And then as soon as
Speaker:they get it, any amount of interaction with the living world, the real,
Speaker:like environmental impacts, then decoherence. Right. They have quantum
Speaker:superposition as one of the things that they really need to work for quantum computing.
Speaker:As soon as you get it outside of their very tightly controlled systems,
Speaker:those quantum effects collapse because they're
Speaker:technological and we don't have the technology yet. So the new future direction is
Speaker:to look at biology because in biological systems, like photosynthesis,
Speaker:for example, the cellular. The way
Speaker:that the cell is made is creating an environment that protects those
Speaker:quantum effects even as they're interacting with
Speaker:like wide variations in temperature, electromagnetic
Speaker:frequencies, all of the different things that are happening in living cells. So
Speaker:that's part of the push and pull that's
Speaker:happening is that we're starting to want and to need technology to
Speaker:be built based on frameworks from nature. So we're seeing what's working with
Speaker:nature at the quantum scale and then trying to reverse engineer that to be able
Speaker:to create computers that can move faster and not
Speaker:be so sensitive to like thermal changes and, and things like that.
Speaker:Wow. So biology is
Speaker:really the original technology.
Speaker:Yep. That's kind of the movement that's happening right now.
Speaker:Huh. This could go in a lot of directions.
Speaker:This whole movement. I, I mean, this podcast could as well, but. Yes,
Speaker:but this whole movement. Right. Like, yeah, like some of these
Speaker:things, we're learning to harness our body's own
Speaker:energy and develop healing capacities. And some of them were learning
Speaker:to harness light to have certain different reactions, but some
Speaker:of them were. Sounds like we're trying to
Speaker:technologize body. Our
Speaker:bodies or our biology. So anyway, yeah, that's a whole.
Speaker:Obviously a very rich, deep discussion that many people have
Speaker:talked covered the transhumanism and such, but.
Speaker:Yes. Yep, exactly. Right. So our. What we're doing
Speaker:is actually somewhat unique in the field because we are looking
Speaker:to under. Use this biology to better understand how we can optimize human
Speaker:health. Yes. Have a better experience of life.
Speaker:Yes. And, and that's like. That's it.
Speaker:Yeah. It's the whole reason. Yeah,
Speaker:yeah. There's no other end game there. Just yes
Speaker:to know. Because I really. I really believe.
Speaker:Yeah. That we're. We're only just touching the surface of what our biology
Speaker:is capable of. If we can, you know,
Speaker:put it in the conditions it requires to thrive, like, how far could
Speaker:we go? How. How high could our consciousness
Speaker:evolve? Like, how much more
Speaker:physical capacity could we have to do things? And energetic capacity, like,
Speaker:it's. Who knows? Really? Like, we don't even know.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah. One of those changes I was talking about earlier
Speaker:in terms of the outsize effects that happen with circadian
Speaker:biology. When you optimize circadian biology, it
Speaker:optimizes mitochondrial repair. So your
Speaker:mitochondria can last longer and be more efficient and you can build up
Speaker:your mitochondrial density. So that's one of the tests they do to see, like,
Speaker:how well someone's energetics are functioning.
Speaker:You can test the mitochondrial density, the density of the mitochondrial
Speaker:DNA. Okay. There was a really interesting study
Speaker:done where they looked at two different, very large genetic data
Speaker:sets, and they were trying to understand the link
Speaker:between personality
Speaker:and early mortality. Because there's all this data showing that
Speaker:for some reason, people who have, you know, higher traits of
Speaker:neuroticism and, like, negative affect, higher rates of
Speaker:depression that those people actually have are, you know, more likely to
Speaker:have an early untimely death. So they're trying to
Speaker:understand that. So there's a link between your personality and
Speaker:your. We'll call it mental health and
Speaker:longevity. And longevity, yes. So they're trying
Speaker:to understand that. Okay. And it's. And it's not a happy one. No.
Speaker:Okay. No. So you are. You are reducing your.
Speaker:The prospect. Your lifespan. You are potentially reducing your lifespan
Speaker:if you have, like, a highly neurotic or highly depressive
Speaker:personality. Right. So they were looking for.
Speaker:Okay. And they're like, why is that? Okay.
Speaker:Yes. What's the next ex? All right, so they came
Speaker:down to mitochondrial density, also predicted this relationship.
Speaker:So people who had lower mitochondrial DNA count
Speaker:had higher neuroticism, higher depression, higher
Speaker:depressive symptoms, and was also linked to that early
Speaker:mortality. So really.
Speaker:So. And you're. Okay, so people with lower
Speaker:mitochondrial density. Are we talking
Speaker:amount of mitochondria and their
Speaker:ability to function or both or one or the other. So
Speaker:it's empty DNA count. So there.
Speaker:It's a little bit messy. I think a lot of the genetic. Research
Speaker:say all of it, they just. They slice it all up and then count it
Speaker:so it's not very whole. Okay, right. A
Speaker:lot of genetic research is it's very much still in its infancy, very much still
Speaker:in the. Like, you know, slice and slice and dice. Like, what
Speaker:can we understand by understanding parts? So take this with a grain of salt. But
Speaker:when they do that, you can see, like, one person. You could take a biological
Speaker:sample and do that, slice and dice of their mitochondrial DNA
Speaker:and see, and if, like, one person would have a higher number and
Speaker:another person would have a lower number based on the same amount of biological sample.
Speaker:Okay, so it's like, it's a less robust result
Speaker:in people with neurotic traits or depressive traits.
Speaker:Right. That they would have a lower. They have a lower mitochondrial density. All right,
Speaker:got it. Yes. Which would be suggesting that they have a lower
Speaker:capacity to generate energy in their body, because
Speaker:mitochondria, you hear the powerhouse of the cell. And we can go on and
Speaker:on. And we've had many great guests in the past talking about mitochondria and how
Speaker:vital they are to health and all the different things that they
Speaker:do. So they think of it as like saying, this person has lower ability to
Speaker:generate energy. So if you have lower ability to generate energy,
Speaker:you. There seems to be a link that you have a lower ability
Speaker:to be a pleasant person and to feel optimistic
Speaker:about the world. And then that would make
Speaker:sense. And then in time, that you may have a shorter lifespan. Like, again,
Speaker:all of these things based on you don't have the energy that you need
Speaker:to be able to build your life in a good and happy way. So that
Speaker:kind of links and starts to explain some of the mechanism
Speaker:between starting to sleep better and then
Speaker:you have better mitochondrial repair, and then you start to feel better, and then suddenly
Speaker:you're like, there is no way I can stay in this job that is sapping
Speaker:my soul. And I feel horrible about. And I need to go and do this
Speaker:thing. And I have the energy to do it, because I have to do it
Speaker:now. I have the energy to make that decision.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Okay. That makes so much sense. And for anyone just joining the party,
Speaker:mitochondrial function has
Speaker:been shown to be underlying to all chronic illness
Speaker:or a lack of. Mitochondrial function is causative
Speaker:of every symptom and condition and
Speaker:disease that we do not want to have. And high mitochondrial
Speaker:function is indicative of robust health and
Speaker:high energy. Just for anyone who's tuning
Speaker:in for the first time. So, okay, there's a lot of work to get
Speaker:nervous, but now we're, like, connecting that to personality. So it's like Almost
Speaker:like there's not enough energy. Yeah. It's probably
Speaker:a bit of a cycle. If there's not enough energy to make good decisions, you
Speaker:end up in situations that cause you to feel neurotic and depressed,
Speaker:which lowers your mitochondrial function, which lowers your capacity to create energy,
Speaker:which lowers your ability to make a different decision.
Speaker:Because making a decision, making a change requires energy.
Speaker:Yes. Yeah. All right. Well, yeah.
Speaker:Okay. That's crazy. So, okay. Darker
Speaker:nights, brighter mornings, stable meal times, all of these
Speaker:things are happening are like influencing not only
Speaker:what we think of as health and wellness, but also with. It's
Speaker:influencing mental health and even personality.
Speaker:That is like,
Speaker:it's really crazy. Yeah. And
Speaker:yeah, I mean, I just like thinking about it in my own life.
Speaker:I mean. Yeah, I actually, the longer I do
Speaker:this and the more I do this, that, like, my
Speaker:propensity to remain in a bad mood
Speaker:for more than a few minutes, like, it's
Speaker:very rare. Yeah. I don't even get in bad moods that
Speaker:often. Which I. I will tell you is not always. Was
Speaker:not always the case. You could ask the people who live with me.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah. So it's profound. And we. Yeah.
Speaker:When I have like a new client coming in, the cool thing about
Speaker:it lately is that I've produced so much material and educational material,
Speaker:there's like a, A barrier that keeps bad people,
Speaker:you know, you know, or like, not that people are bad, but like, some people
Speaker:are just really difficult to work with. And when
Speaker:I was just like, generally not talking about all of these things, like,
Speaker:I would have this clients come who really, like, didn't feel like
Speaker:an energetic match. And now, you know, for all of
Speaker:the practitioners who are thinking like, this is way too crazy, like, I'm
Speaker:a, I'm a doula. Like, I'm, I'm helping women through this really intense
Speaker:experience. And so if these women are coming in with this robust
Speaker:mitochondrial health where they're resilient and have like a good positive
Speaker:attitude, I can tell you, like, it makes a world of difference for this
Speaker:acute situation that I'm walking through with them. And before I had
Speaker:this in my toolkit. It's, you know,
Speaker:the most likely time that a woman is going to get a negative mental health
Speaker:diagnosis is like, after her baby is born. Because all the
Speaker:circadian disruption, like, directly undermines mitochondrial health. And
Speaker:it's very highly, you know, correlated with depression and
Speaker:postpartum psychosis on the more extreme ends of it.
Speaker:So this information is really profound.
Speaker:We, like, we were talking about the technology earlier, which is like, kind of to
Speaker:us in the applied quantum biology world we're like, this can
Speaker:improve people's lives right now. Like women could be not,
Speaker:you know, like way lower rates of postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis
Speaker:and like way more everything happening physiologically the way that it's meant to in
Speaker:this time, just based on the kind of light that a mom's getting that is
Speaker:really, really profound. And so if it's happening at this
Speaker:quantum scale, it seems really confusing, but there's
Speaker:also the level of it that can just be explained by everyday experience.
Speaker:I think that's really important to remain grounded
Speaker:in that. All of this is really like the theory,
Speaker:the theories. We're just, we're using theory to try to understand what we
Speaker:see happening in the real world,
Speaker:right? Using theory to understand the real world, what we see is
Speaker:happening. Not necessarily. It's not that we have to use theory
Speaker:to go into a new place or expand.
Speaker:Everyone always wants to expand the frontiers and this can be used to
Speaker:expand frontiers, but it also can just be to get back to those really
Speaker:basics, right? So we can use quantum biology to
Speaker:create patents on all kinds of crazy new technology, but we can
Speaker:also use it to explain why
Speaker:ancestral habits are more life
Speaker:affirming than being cut off from nature and
Speaker:living a modern indoor tech
Speaker:based lifestyle. That's a
Speaker:really interesting point. It's like, it's kind of.
Speaker:So quantum biology is bringing us forward into new technology,
Speaker:explaining where we came from and how it's important to honor what
Speaker:our biology actually needs in nature without any kind of
Speaker:technologic intervention. And also explains
Speaker:how so many modalities that
Speaker:have often been dismissed
Speaker:have an effect. I mean if we're talking about mental health, I
Speaker:follow a very, very good psychoanalyst
Speaker:on, on X and he's, he's very old school and
Speaker:thorough and is not, not, not on board
Speaker:with all of the, the modern, the train that
Speaker:modern psychology has jumped on.
Speaker:I respect him a lot, but he had this post one day, it was like,
Speaker:who are these like scammer, you know. Well, unless you're talking
Speaker:about these scammers who claim to be able to, you know,
Speaker:take things out of your subconscious programming or whatever that, whatever
Speaker:that means, Energy healing scammers, whatever that means. And I was like, oh
Speaker:come on. So it's, it's always interesting to remember
Speaker:like somebody can be very competent and, and
Speaker:have a high level of excellence in their field, but if there's something
Speaker:they don't understand, they tend to dismiss it. My point being quantum
Speaker:biology can give credibility
Speaker:to what this person was calling energy work.
Speaker:Scans the energy scammers. Right. As well.
Speaker:Like, that's also another area of
Speaker:application. Could you say how you.
Speaker:How you see that working for a second? Like how it. Let's
Speaker:talk about energy work, homeopathy, sound healing,
Speaker:you know, releasing trauma from the body or
Speaker:changing subconscious programming. Where's the connection of that
Speaker:with quantum biology? Yeah, I mean, if you're looking at
Speaker:energy, one of the.
Speaker:Yeah, I'm gonna go cosmic with this one. Love.
Speaker:Let's go. Okay, let's go a little bit cosmic. So
Speaker:the Earth itself is kind of like an inverse
Speaker:atom. We see,
Speaker:like an atom has the nucleus is full of protons and
Speaker:neutrons. Atomic force is what's holding
Speaker:those positively charged protons together. Because normally positive
Speaker:charges would like, repulse each other, right. But in the nucleus, we have
Speaker:all these positive charges together. That's really
Speaker:fascinating. And so we like that's nuclear force. Then we have a cloud of electrons
Speaker:around it. The
Speaker:electrons, we can understand them to
Speaker:in the quantum sense. They say, like, we at
Speaker:this point don't have models that can predict where the electron's going to
Speaker:be. And so that's where we talk about like superposition of like saying, like,
Speaker:maybe it's in two places at the same time. Like, that's make sense maybe.
Speaker:Right. Like, we have all these different ways that we're trying to understand why
Speaker:we can't accurately predict where
Speaker:the electrons are going to be. So we have like a cloud where we say,
Speaker:like, well, we think it's going to be in this particular zone. So that is
Speaker:an atom. And when we're looking at chemical bonds, we're seeing
Speaker:interactions where the nucleus of one atom is attracting the electrons of
Speaker:another. And so then they're sharing electrons, two different
Speaker:nucleus, right. It's sharing collaboration, right? Saying
Speaker:we're going to share this energy. There's energy between us and that's
Speaker:what forms these. All of these different molecules. Right.
Speaker:When looking at where an electron could be,
Speaker:they're looking at potent. And then we have like spin of
Speaker:electrons. And so all these different quantum parameters. Trying to understand electrons,
Speaker:which we still don't have a model that can actually do it, but we're trying.
Speaker:So if an electron could potentially be in like a thousand different states
Speaker:per electron, and we have like bajillions of electrons, right. There's a lot of different
Speaker:energy encoded in those electrons by
Speaker:their state, by their quantum state. And we find that, that
Speaker:those like spin dynamics of electrons are encoded
Speaker:in genetics for example, that
Speaker:you have an electron. And in classical sense you say like, that this electron is
Speaker:just as good as any other electron. But the DNA is saying, no, I reject
Speaker:that electron. I only expect to accept electrons that have this particular
Speaker:spin state, right? So we know that there's these quantum dynamics at play where
Speaker:our DNA is saying, yes to this one, no to this one, yes to this
Speaker:one, no to this one, like bajillions of times, every single second.
Speaker:I told you we're going to get cosmic, right? Okay,
Speaker:I'm here for it. We're made of
Speaker:these energetic reactions. So when we like clapping our hands together,
Speaker:this is like actually like an electrical repulsive charge hitting.
Speaker:It's not actually like the matter, like the protons in my hand aren't touching
Speaker:right now. It's the electrons touching. And we are constantly
Speaker:on our planet being bombarded by cosmic
Speaker:radiation, right? Coming from all kinds of places. What kind of information is being carried
Speaker:on the protons that are coming from storms happening outside of our solar system,
Speaker:and that light is coming this way. And we know that these subatomic particles are
Speaker:coming through and that we have quantum apparatus to be able to
Speaker:highly differentiate thing that in
Speaker:classical physics, oh, it's just an electron, but in quantum physics, it's like, oh, it's
Speaker:an electron with potentially, like, we don't even know how many different, like
Speaker:a thousand different parameters on this single electron, right?
Speaker:So when looking at like things like the methylation
Speaker:profiles of genes that are determining things like, we can
Speaker:see, like the methylation profiles. This is what's causing, like, different
Speaker:types of diabetes, for example. You can see the methylation profile
Speaker:and the genes are deciding methylation being the. Cell'S
Speaker:ability to, like, get rid of stuff it doesn't need or
Speaker:methylation being. So a methyl
Speaker:is going to change the way a gene expresses itself.
Speaker:So you have like, you know, from your parents, you have like a gene of
Speaker:this type and a gene of this type. And then the
Speaker:methylation is going to decide which one's active and which one's not. And so the
Speaker:circadian rhythm is changing this in real time. And that's why I'm talking about light,
Speaker:that we know that the circadian rhythm, like at this level is going to be
Speaker:like a hard crank, right? So the light comes in and then it gives
Speaker:the signal. And then the genes are all like, start making these proteins now. And
Speaker:then the light goes away, and then it's slowly like. And now we're going to
Speaker:do these ones, right? So our genes are like Changing shape in real time.
Speaker:You know that I like to go into the way, detail. And so it's like,
Speaker:how do we ground this in the real. Like, how is this, like, relating to
Speaker:energy work, right, that we. That
Speaker:there are all of these subtle, subtle forces that are encoded into
Speaker:these, like electrons and electron transfer is what, determining if we have the energy
Speaker:or not. So when looking at something like a massage, for example,
Speaker:on the one hand you're just moving the body around, right? Like mushing
Speaker:muscles and fascia and whatever. But on another level,
Speaker:the electrons are flowing between each of these people, right?
Speaker:So. And then there's the piezoelectricity where we know that the body,
Speaker:body is recapturing that energy, right? So
Speaker:this one person's hands are going on the other and. And
Speaker:they notice from body work that there is electron transfer. And that's part of why
Speaker:it's so important for body workers, you know, to
Speaker:not burn out if they're going outside and spending that
Speaker:time where they are grounded to the earth and their mitochondria aren't transferring. Well,
Speaker:and then I told you this is going to get cosmic, right? That we go
Speaker:outside. Like, I'm standing out here and like, there's this sunlight hitting me and I
Speaker:feel that sun. That sunlight is containing particular information that it's
Speaker:ringing our ionosphere at all times. And it's also
Speaker:like the information from the stars and all of that. We know that we're being
Speaker:flooded by subatomic particles that we just. Because we can't
Speaker:measure them. Like, people have talked about astrology, right?
Speaker:Does the timing of the stars at the moment of your birth say anything? And
Speaker:at the level of our DNA, it's likely that it is actually pulling
Speaker:in particular information there. We just don't quite know how to parse what the
Speaker:information is, but we know again, that we have these outside
Speaker:effects. So there's one thing where you could get a massage. You could go to
Speaker:one person and get a massage. Another person could give you that exact same
Speaker:technical massage, right? The exact same movements and strokes, but you would
Speaker:have a completely different experience of that massage
Speaker:based on the difference in the quality of the electron
Speaker:transfer between you and your massage therapist. So
Speaker:right now we can't really quantify why one person can
Speaker:give you a massage and you feel just like absolutely amazing and transformed, and the
Speaker:other person could give you a massage and you're like, oh, that was nice.
Speaker:Yeah, right, right. Like, we can't really quantify that. And so we think of
Speaker:like, oh, I didn't like them or there was like this smell in the room,
Speaker:right? And smell is another thing that is totally quantum. Like the sense of smell.
Speaker:We can, we can tell if there's like deuterium
Speaker:rich stuff. Like we can tell if
Speaker:there's extra neutrons. Like it doesn't affect the way the cells are binding, but
Speaker:when we smell it, we can tell the difference. And so we know that smell
Speaker:is quantum and we know that smell is very entangled in the memory. Like,
Speaker:how does that work? Right. And so if you think about that at the quantum
Speaker:level, there is a lot of information that our body is
Speaker:perfectly attuned to, but it's happening at the subconscious level. So we can't
Speaker:explain it, but we know that more is happening
Speaker:than meets the eye. So
Speaker:this is where the quantum work is really interesting because we could potentially
Speaker:be understanding because once we can understand it,
Speaker:then we can control and be more deliberate about it.
Speaker:But in a lot of times it's just case. It's just doing the things that
Speaker:we already know, that if we have like a good
Speaker:emotional relationship with our massage therapist, then she's going to be giving us a better
Speaker:massage than if we go to like some person at the mall that gives us
Speaker:weird vibes, but we just do it anyways. That, that's not going to have the
Speaker:same effect. And like this, right? There's a lot of. There's so much
Speaker:mystery, but it pours points. It always points to things that we already know. So
Speaker:we can just get to be more deliberate and
Speaker:specific. Like, rather than being like, oh, I always feel so good when I'm on
Speaker:vacation and I don't have to wake up in the morning at a particular time
Speaker:and I can spend a, you know, long, do long walks on the beach. Like,
Speaker:that's just ideal. I wish I could live every day like that, but I have
Speaker:to go and work. And then instead it's like, well, no, actually that does do
Speaker:something for you. If you spend a bit of time outside every morning, that, that
Speaker:is like a deliberate lever you can pull on your health and on
Speaker:your whole mental outlook. So,
Speaker:yeah, energy healing, that's a good one. I probably went way
Speaker:spiraling out there. No, I love it. I love
Speaker:it. Yeah. Because the point is
Speaker:that even if we don't have the exact
Speaker:mechanism, there is more than enough evidence
Speaker:to put to point to the idea that of course,
Speaker:energy work has valid. Is
Speaker:valid and has, you know,
Speaker:therapeutic effects. Yeah, of course, sound
Speaker:healing does. Of course, you know, all of, you know, all of these little
Speaker:modalities you know, I love meeting people because they're like, oh, I practice the blah,
Speaker:blah, blah technique. And I'm like, oh, what's that? And they're like, well, you tap
Speaker:here, and then you do this, you do that. And. Yeah. There's so many.
Speaker:There's so many ways aromatherapy works. Yeah.
Speaker:Someone is just telling me their amazing aromatherapy story
Speaker:recently about how they were working with this aromatherapist, and, like, they
Speaker:did this, this, that, the. The other test. Blah, blah. And, like, oh, because of
Speaker:your type, you need this particular smell, which was bergamot.
Speaker:And then she was like, as. She's, like, doing this aromatherapy,
Speaker:and then she's realizing, like, oh, the best times with my grandma were when we
Speaker:would drink Earl Grey tea together. And my grandma used to
Speaker:do all of these same things as I'm doing that's making me have a negative
Speaker:time that this bergamot's supposed to heal for me. And,
Speaker:like, my grandma had already figured out that Earl Gray was
Speaker:medicine that would help her manage these particular kinds
Speaker:of stress patterns that she had. So she was like. It was so cool that
Speaker:this person was able to, like, wave lawns and do this test or whatever, and
Speaker:then, like, come around to, like, this really basic thing like, oh, I'm gonna be
Speaker:like my grandma and, like, take time to drink some Earl Grey now and then.
Speaker:That's so interesting. Yeah, it's. It's
Speaker:amazing. Yeah. And that it makes such
Speaker:sense, like, our. If you are able to read the energy
Speaker:or communicate with energy of a person's. I was going to
Speaker:say body, but I don't know. Sphere. Aura.
Speaker:Yeah. Energetic. Energetic blueprint.
Speaker:Because, I mean, if we're just, like. If we're just gonna
Speaker:go all the way. Right. If we're all made.
Speaker:We're all made of atoms, and the atom is mostly
Speaker:space. Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, of course. Of course we need
Speaker:to work with energy. Like, of course we do.
Speaker:And that. You know, and on that level, like, we're not even
Speaker:really separate. Yeah. From each other or from nature.
Speaker:Yeah. It's really. We're all part of the same.
Speaker:Yeah. Ecosystem of
Speaker:wavelengths or whatever we want to call it. I don't even know what word to
Speaker:use. Like, people are like, no. There's no particles. There's no this.
Speaker:It's all. I'm like, okay, yeah. Well, maybe not. Yeah. Holographic
Speaker:universe. Like, we can go there
Speaker:and. Yeah. Like, with electrons, they respond to
Speaker:photonic energy. Right. So, like, we're absorbing light, but then
Speaker:our electrons will absorb that. And then they can, like,
Speaker:our electrical energy can also be emitted as light. And so in terms
Speaker:of some of that more loose stuff, where people are looking at, like,
Speaker:biophoton release and seeing that different emotional states are, like, the
Speaker:body's releasing this photon energy in different
Speaker:places in the body. And so you can see, like, different emotional centers
Speaker:across the body is really interesting. And when we get back to that
Speaker:study, I told you the. The 2019, the first time that they were able to
Speaker:image electron tunneling in living cells,
Speaker:and you could. They show, like, images that they captured from
Speaker:the living cell. And it's like the energy is quite contained. But in the cell
Speaker:that they were imaging that's, like, nearing death, you can see it's
Speaker:much more lit up, like it's leaking more energy. As the,
Speaker:you know, the mitochondrial. It's not as efficient. The body is
Speaker:losing energy as it's going. So we think of low energy.
Speaker:In some cases, there's not enough input, but in other cases, it's
Speaker:inefficient, and so it's leaking on the output. Right, right. And I'd
Speaker:heard that as a description of aging, and
Speaker:particularly, like, advanced aging, like, where people
Speaker:seem to be aging faster than is really. Yeah. Natural or
Speaker:necessary. Yeah. And part of what's going on is that their cells
Speaker:are leaking out. All the light is leaking out. Exactly. Yeah.
Speaker:So Carrie Bennett talks about this in terms of, like, the size of the
Speaker:mitochondrial, because we're dealing with this at the energy,
Speaker:like, at the level of this very small thing. So very, very
Speaker:small changes in the size of the electron
Speaker:transport chain where this is happening can make huge effects in
Speaker:terms of the quantum scale because it's happening. It's so small. Right. And
Speaker:it's happening really, really, really fast. I think that's what people don't, like,
Speaker:quite realize is, like, how incredibly fast and how many millions of interactions
Speaker:are happening at a time. So when
Speaker:you go in the cold, for example, and you feel like your body, like, kind
Speaker:of shrinking. Right. Like, your cells actually are compressing. Like, your mitochondria are getting a
Speaker:little bit closer together. And so your mitochondria also can act more
Speaker:efficiently under cold conditions. And that's part of how cold,
Speaker:like, helps condition the mitochondria. And then it also gives, like, genetic information where
Speaker:there's like, oh, I need to. I need to be more conservative. And a lot
Speaker:of people are living in this endless summer type of
Speaker:lifestyle. And so we talked about that in terms of the methylation
Speaker:patterns that a lot of people, if They've been living in like
Speaker:endless summer and they've never had. Their body
Speaker:has never. Meaning like you never temperature regulate. You
Speaker:just keep your house really warm, even when it. And you never really go outside
Speaker:in the cold. And there's. Your body never gets to experience the actual.
Speaker:Yeah. 16 hours of artificial light, 72
Speaker:degrees static thermal environment. Yeah. Your
Speaker:body's never had that super long darkness. It's never had that, that
Speaker:temperature scale. And this is one of the things that happens
Speaker:with women in my world where
Speaker:especially now that. So I've been a doula for a
Speaker:long time. Over 10 years. Getting close to 15
Speaker:years now actually. I think. I don't know, a long time. And when
Speaker:I first started, like, it was just such a different landscape. Like there was
Speaker:like we had social media, but it wasn't like it is now. Like people didn't
Speaker:like live their lives and like get all of their information and everything from social
Speaker:media. So it's cool because in many ways women are a lot more informed,
Speaker:but it's also like really overwhelming and
Speaker:overstimulating and like all of this blue light is, you know, kind
Speaker:of damaging to circadian health,
Speaker:which is damaging to mitochondria. So there's like a lot of pros and cons of
Speaker:like technology doing good things and technology being not
Speaker:quite ideal where the quantum technology, if it could harmonize with our biology
Speaker:better, could be really awesome if it was. If we had
Speaker:more than just like filter blue light out.
Speaker:Right. You just turn it and it's like bright red like it does. It's not
Speaker:that it's not fully as like the circadian life isn't as aesthetic as
Speaker:it could be. I really look forward to it being a lot more dynamic and
Speaker:living and for it to feel more biological because we're starting to mimic
Speaker:like biology and nature, but it's still not fully quite there.
Speaker:Yeah. I think I went on a little tangent. A little tangent there is. My
Speaker:mind's just like. I know. But it's also interesting like
Speaker:we're. We are literally living at
Speaker:such a fascinating time. Yeah. Right. Like. Like
Speaker:the. Yeah. The convergence
Speaker:of the science that is being
Speaker:either discovered or rediscovered or. Yeah.
Speaker:Unsuppressed. The technology that's evolving, the consciousness
Speaker:that's evolving. The cosmic cycles that we're in.
Speaker:Across. I mean, you know, pick it, pick an approach
Speaker:from the Yugas all the way from to Western astrology to
Speaker:technology cycles, historic cycles, economic cycles.
Speaker:Like we are at a change point in all of
Speaker:them. And so anyway, all that to say Is like, yeah.
Speaker:There's so many tangents to go on. Yes, that's right. It was about the
Speaker:seasons. Yeah. Seasonal methylation patterns. Right. Okay.
Speaker:You can see, like, here I am, I'm out in fall. Like, my body is
Speaker:getting, like, you know, I've been awake for this many hours and the sun's only
Speaker:this far in the sky. Right. Like, we have sensors that say, like, is the
Speaker:light coming from the top or is it coming from down low? And. Right. And
Speaker:my body is always, like, sensing it.
Speaker:Yeah. The color spectrum. Like, there are color healers. Right. Who would be
Speaker:like, oh, you're missing this color frequency. You'd be. Well to decorate with this color
Speaker:and things. Like, how could that work? Like, well, that's actually, your body uses that
Speaker:to understand. Like, you know, how much longer do we have until all these
Speaker:apples are, like, not there anymore? Right. Like, I can go and grab an apple
Speaker:from the tree right now, but I know that soon that's not going to be
Speaker:the case. So this happened. This is supposed to
Speaker:regulate fertility. Right. Like, I'm working in women's health space. So a lot of
Speaker:fertility is very wonky right now because there's
Speaker:no seasonal information coming. And we know there are
Speaker:seasonal elements there. And then likewise with
Speaker:the lactational amenaria. That was I was going to talk about with. With
Speaker:regard to prolactin being a seasonal hormone that in
Speaker:the animal kingdom, it's saying, is
Speaker:it time to hibernate or not? And so we see really crazy prolactin
Speaker:levels in obesity. And we also see that a lot of women, like,
Speaker:they're not getting their cycles back. Right. I've been doing a lot of consultations lately
Speaker:for women who have secondary infertility where, like, they had one
Speaker:baby and then they waited a few years and then now they can't get pregnant.
Speaker:They're like, I'm not infertile. Like, me and my husband, like, we've had a
Speaker:baby together, but now, why is it not working? And
Speaker:so we can look at these, like, the seasonality of the hormones that
Speaker:the lights that we're under just give this drive. And then especially importing foods
Speaker:from the tropics all the time just like, make the body think that it's always
Speaker:a different season than it is, which changes the
Speaker:methylation and just changes all kinds of things. So which is different
Speaker:from actually living in the tropics, in which case that would be
Speaker:fine because you're just. All the signals are natural and from.
Speaker:From the organic environment. Exactly. Because if you Live a
Speaker:tropical lifestyle and you're in Buffalo, New York.
Speaker:Yeah. That's messing up your body. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Okay. To get to the quantum scale, like when we are under different kinds
Speaker:of lights, we have proteins that will do different kinds of things. So that was
Speaker:one of the ones that I shared recently too that people were like, whoa, this
Speaker:is so cool. So we have different protons that the light
Speaker:comes in. And so if we absorb UVB light, the proteins
Speaker:will grab it and then afterwards they'll start fluorescing
Speaker:and re releasing that light as UVA inside of our body. Like we have
Speaker:like UV light in the body and it,
Speaker:we're, we need to be getting that. But people like, if we're
Speaker:just under indoors then we don't get any of the UV spectrum and so then
Speaker:the proteins don't fluoresce and so then we don't have that light released right
Speaker:then. So like the whole system is changed. And that's where technology
Speaker:is still like the idea that UV light is always to be
Speaker:feared is really driving a lot of like thyroid problems and
Speaker:hormonal problems and things. Because a lot of those really light sensitive proton
Speaker:proteins, amino acids are the ones that need to get converted
Speaker:into the hormones. So we have like hormones from fats, like
Speaker:vitamin D is cholesterol that has to get lit up
Speaker:by UV light. But we also have proteins that need to get lit up by
Speaker:UV light to be able to flow and do the things they need to.
Speaker:So that's where it's like, is that circadian or is that quantum?
Speaker:It all kind of like blends together and that's where like nature is a
Speaker:really nice framework to think like natural signals.
Speaker:Like one of the papers that I read about DNA recently was
Speaker:like, DNA is the perfect quantum supercomputer. It's
Speaker:already been created and so now they're just like trying to
Speaker:re, you know, whatever those guys want to re engineer
Speaker:DNA. But we're like, oh, we already have a perfect operating system
Speaker:for the planet that we live on. Whoa, cool.
Speaker:It's so cool. I mean it's really mind bendingly
Speaker:cool and mind
Speaker:blowingly cool if we've as most of us have been raised
Speaker:in, you know, a paradigm that is so
Speaker:mechanistic to understand just all of the different
Speaker:layers and levels that are happening
Speaker:in the cosmos of which we are a part.
Speaker:And so this brings me to a point that you
Speaker:know, we've talked about, which is that a lot of
Speaker:research, you know. So you were talking about how quantum
Speaker:biology can be used to create New technology, but
Speaker:it can also be used to explain our biology
Speaker:and help us understand it at a much deeper level.
Speaker:Yeah. And so that comes. So that
Speaker:brings me to, you know, if we understand it at that deep level, we
Speaker:are able to create recommendations and
Speaker:protocols for clients or patients. Well, I'm not because I don't work with them, but
Speaker:those of you who do can use that information to create that.
Speaker:So the protocols are sort of being informed by the principles of
Speaker:quantum biology, which is in essence just biology itself.
Speaker:However, most protocols, in the way that the system is
Speaker:set up, come from research
Speaker:studies or experiments that often
Speaker:create conditions that, that are different from whatever your
Speaker:client is actually living. And so can you just talk about
Speaker:a little bit of the disconnect between the research that's leading
Speaker:practitioners to
Speaker:create, like to tell their patients what to do
Speaker:and how that type of research can be problematic?
Speaker:Yeah, let's see. Because you were, I think you used
Speaker:the example of people working in mental health who were given
Speaker:protocols from a research study. Yes. Okay, right. And
Speaker:they went to apply them and it was like not working. And then.
Speaker:Yeah, yep. We have known differences between
Speaker:an experimental protocol and how effective it's going to be in the clinical
Speaker:trials versus what happens when we're out
Speaker:there in the real world. So
Speaker:the up to a point innovation
Speaker:would have been coming from practitioners who are working in the
Speaker:field with real patients. And then at some point, like the
Speaker:academic institutions started having a lot of different tools and
Speaker:scientific, like, ideologies
Speaker:developed to say, like, what's the best way to prove this or that?
Speaker:So when we have things that are very, very controlled, that
Speaker:doesn't always translate into the real world, we'll think where things are very, very
Speaker:messy and chaotic. And so what's happening is
Speaker:it started in the 70s and it's just had a steady progression,
Speaker:building and building and more and more networks of actual
Speaker:practitioners are reclaiming
Speaker:their right, their, their power
Speaker:in designing studies inside of their practices
Speaker:and disseminating that information to each other. And a lot of times it's being done
Speaker:with an academic partner. And in some cases it's being done. They're just like doing
Speaker:it themselves. And so we're starting to see like,
Speaker:all, all research used to be like, bottom up from like practices.
Speaker:And then they would share it with each other. And then there was an era
Speaker:where it was all coming down, where it was like, the institutions
Speaker:design the protocols and then practitioners are just agents of the institution.
Speaker:So then it was all top down. And now what we're starting to See is
Speaker:emerging where the power, because we can do cool things with
Speaker:the top down institutional research,
Speaker:but we can't like. Chop up mitochondrial DNA and look at it under
Speaker:a microscope. Exactly, yeah. It's neat.
Speaker:It's neat and it gives it like we could look at that person and be
Speaker:like, oh, they have a really shoddy outlook on life and aren't making very good
Speaker:decisions. I think that, you know, I'm worried they might get cancer,
Speaker:but they're like, let's chop up their DNA and then we can like give them
Speaker:a test that's a little bit more objective. Right. And maybe less, maybe less
Speaker:prone to bias. I don't know, like, we'll find out. And
Speaker:that's where I like this like meet in the middle approach to say, like
Speaker:practitioners are working with people and practitioners have the ability to innovate,
Speaker:they have gutsense, they have test tools. Right. That's another thing
Speaker:is that testing is becoming a lot more available. And so it's becoming that there's
Speaker:more of this merge and need for this
Speaker:scientist slash practitioner where they're
Speaker:doing. And it's also important because then especially
Speaker:for any kind of practitioner who is doing something that's somewhat experimental
Speaker:to be able to report on their results. And if it's working really well, then
Speaker:they should be telling their people and if it's not working well, then they should
Speaker:be correcting course. So implementation is one of
Speaker:the places that we know from academia and the work
Speaker:that's already been done that circadian interventions are very effective,
Speaker:very, very safe, but we
Speaker:have a lot less knowledge about how do patients
Speaker:actually adhere
Speaker:to the protocols. Right. We could be doing some really good information to say, like,
Speaker:does it make a difference what order we add the
Speaker:interventions? For example, in mental health, when
Speaker:dealing with bipolar manic
Speaker:episodes, when
Speaker:they use enforced darkness protocols, which could be either with
Speaker:real darkness or with heavy blue blocking glasses, when
Speaker:they do that, the patients release sooner
Speaker:and they use a 14 hour enforced darkness protocol. But what they've
Speaker:also learned is that that would be like ideal for them to
Speaker:keep going. But the patients always rebel and they don't want to have
Speaker:14 hours of darkness. They want a more normal
Speaker:life. So then they do the clinical,
Speaker:14 hours of darkness, but then they drop it back slowly and
Speaker:try to get them to stay at a baseline of about 10 hours of darkness.
Speaker:So from circadian health, we know that at 10 hours of darkness, that gives you
Speaker:that two hours before bedtime in a relatively dark environment
Speaker:so that your melatonin is flowing and then you have a full eight hour melatonin.
Speaker:Right. And that's really good for your everything to regenerate.
Speaker:So if you would have just looked at the initial
Speaker:research, it would have been like, oh, when you have like someone who's in the
Speaker:middle of a manic episode, like 14 Hours of Darkness, but then they learned like,
Speaker:oh, but if you try to make them do 14 hours of darkness, they're going
Speaker:to repel rebel and then they're going to throw off the whole protocol. So you
Speaker:actually need to only give them 10 hours of darkness over time. Even though it's
Speaker:not necessarily as effective, they will stick with it for longer. So those
Speaker:kinds of like implementation level
Speaker:pieces are what we are really missing in terms of circadian
Speaker:health and quantum health. Like we have, we're, we're really clear on what's good and
Speaker:what's safe, but we're just less clear on how does it translate into the
Speaker:real world. And then there's also things like is
Speaker:it cost effective? Like for a doctor, maybe
Speaker:they don't have time in their practice to give the circadian
Speaker:protocols, but maybe it would be cost effective for them to hire a health coach
Speaker:to work with their patients. Like, are they then going to see better performance with
Speaker:that health coach that then boosts the whole practice for that to actually be
Speaker:a very sustainable approach. Right. There's a lot of that, like
Speaker:ground level. How does it actually work? Implementation piece and
Speaker:maybe why we're so prescription focused over
Speaker:lifestyle focused at the doctor is because as we
Speaker:discussed earlier, making change requires energy and often support. And
Speaker:so the implementation piece, if you just hand people a list of 10 things to
Speaker:change in their life and be like, bye. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker:you're not going to get the outcomes and then you're not
Speaker:going to be able to do the research that we're
Speaker:talking about here, which is having research come up from the
Speaker:field, like, what are you seeing? What's
Speaker:happening? I mean, all of the smartest people I know in real
Speaker:life and that I follow make big
Speaker:decisions based on what they're seeing. Like they are
Speaker:based on what they're observing in the real world. I know
Speaker:people who have made huge financial
Speaker:decisions from talking to the taxi driver
Speaker:every time they travel to get a sense of what's going on in that country.
Speaker:Right. And then they like, because that's because
Speaker:it happens in medicine, but also in economics and policy
Speaker:about all of the things. It's like everything gets funneled up by
Speaker:experts and it's like who's on the ground
Speaker:watching what's happening? Right, like, who is in touch with
Speaker:that bipolar patient? Being like, yeah, I
Speaker:know, I know it's annoying, but can you just, like, read a book with a
Speaker:red light instead of watching tv? Right, like, yeah, who's in there
Speaker:with them? And then who's tracking those results in the field?
Speaker:And so what I think is exciting is that there are ways
Speaker:for practitioners to do that. What you're saying is
Speaker:there are standards and protocols and
Speaker:blueprints for practitioners of any size
Speaker:with any number of clients to learn how to track what's going on
Speaker:with their clients or patients in a way that they could
Speaker:contribute to the larger research field.
Speaker:Yes. Yeah. So, like using a chronotype questionnaire at
Speaker:intake. We're already doing intake questions as
Speaker:practitioners. We're like that. You have a patient, you have to do an evaluation to
Speaker:figure out where are they at. So at the same time as you're doing
Speaker:whatever, like, if you're a mental health and you're, you know, running a mental health
Speaker:panel, if you're doing a general health diagnostic, like, throw in the
Speaker:chronotype questionnaire, because that will give you information about your client's baseline,
Speaker:where they are, and then over time, like at their next visit, if you do
Speaker:another chronotype questionnaire after they have done this, then you could see
Speaker:did their chronotype shift, and then you could also
Speaker:see did any of their other health parameters shift. And then you have
Speaker:an association and you have your client being their own baseline. And because
Speaker:you did that intake questionnaire there, so then you're just. Just adding a
Speaker:slight level of rigor to what you're already doing, but then you have
Speaker:a particular data point to be able to work with that person and see, like,
Speaker:did they respond really fast to the protocol? And then to
Speaker:know, like, which ones did they do? Right. Were they working with
Speaker:their, you know, morning light? Did they, like, anchor their meal times? Like,
Speaker:what were the things that made the biggest difference for them? We
Speaker:could get to start finding out that kind of information. And then
Speaker:really important, especially for those who do care
Speaker:about, like, the general state of people outside of their practice, that if the.
Speaker:When you're having really good results, if that then goes out into the bigger world,
Speaker:then other people can see that and have. And know that the
Speaker:approach is valid at the ground level,
Speaker:and then it's that it could apply to their practice.
Speaker:Right. So what we're talking about here is
Speaker:called practice based research. Yeah.
Speaker:And it empowers practitioners
Speaker:to track their outcomes for the benefit of
Speaker:their clients. For the benefit of their colleagues in the wider community to share what's
Speaker:working and for the benefit of
Speaker:our understanding as a whole. And that if they follow
Speaker:certain guidelines which are not super complicated,
Speaker:they can publish case studies, they can have their research
Speaker:contribute towards publication or publish themselves
Speaker:potentially. Yeah.
Speaker:It'S really cool. Yeah. I really want to thank you for
Speaker:bringing this idea out because, you know,
Speaker:as you've just been explaining, like this really is the next step. Step?
Speaker:Yeah, for this movement of,
Speaker:you know, applied quantum biology with the goal of just
Speaker:enhancing life. And that's it. Yeah. To move forward.
Speaker:Yeah, it is. And it fits right in with the like there's another
Speaker:realm of people working in academia of this, where they call it translational
Speaker:medicine, where we're trying to go from like bench, like the academic research to
Speaker:bedside, like what's happening in the realm world. So this
Speaker:practice based research fits exactly at the end point
Speaker:of does it actually work in the real world and then what are
Speaker:the hurdles with implementation there? So it fits with that last
Speaker:piece of the translational research medicine,
Speaker:like flywheel there. So it is a really important
Speaker:collaboration point. So for us, like it's really important for us to be doing
Speaker:this work as ground level practitioners, but then it's also really important for
Speaker:the potential collaboration and feedback loop where
Speaker:academia can be informed of what's happening here and like this
Speaker:cycle can, can go and eventually include the larger
Speaker:institutions. Like we're kind of a grassroots here, but. And that's
Speaker:like, you know, one of the things that's most exciting is oh, I could be
Speaker:doing better with my patients. Oh, I could have like early warning when one of
Speaker:my patients isn't tracking as well as they should be
Speaker:because most of the time it's like they're, you know, you start doing this and
Speaker:it's just so, so smooth with clients and then every once in a while you
Speaker:run into a case where you're like, huh, that's strange. This could give like
Speaker:early warning for those anomalies where the something about the protocol
Speaker:isn't working or maybe they're not adhering to it the way that they say they
Speaker:are. Right. There's all kinds of nuanced information that can
Speaker:come out just to improve your. Day to day practice
Speaker:by implementing these practice based research
Speaker:protocols. Exactly. Yeah. So back and forth, the big picture, the
Speaker:little picture, the big picture, the little picture, that's what like.
Speaker:Up and down. Yes, all the things.
Speaker:And what I am really excited about is that we are going to be launching
Speaker:a practice
Speaker:based research Network and Niko will be
Speaker:leading a series of workshops to, to teach practitioners how to do this. So
Speaker:if you are one, stay tuned.
Speaker:We'll be announcing that shortly. But this is the next stage
Speaker:towards empowering you,
Speaker:you, the person, whether you're the client or the practitioner,
Speaker:to fully engage in the
Speaker:paradigm shift by taking what you're already
Speaker:doing and having it
Speaker:be an enhanced contribution. Yeah,
Speaker:yeah. So anyone that is a practitioner, we're looking for,
Speaker:you know, any of our practitioners who have case studies
Speaker:or like even very like, you don't have to have a high volume. We can
Speaker:do case studies or we have practice like
Speaker:protocols for 10 or fewer members that are still very
Speaker:scientifically rigorous. The field of practice based research
Speaker:is full of ideas and examples that we in quantum health can use. So
Speaker:that's really exciting. I also want to hear from patients who are
Speaker:interested in this, to have patient feedback
Speaker:as we're developing this and then also any academic partners who would be
Speaker:interested in looping in to help with
Speaker:mentorship or data crunching or just to be
Speaker:like involved and aware of what's going on. So we kind of have like multiple
Speaker:levels of like the citizen scientists, the patients, the academics
Speaker:and then of course our practitioners. So my email is
Speaker:NICOAQB foundation
Speaker:and if you're interested in this, I would love to hear from you just to.
Speaker:As we're building out our stakeholder list for
Speaker:who, who wants to be in the know and to potentially contribute.
Speaker:Yeah, this is going to be really fun. And just to clarify, if you
Speaker:work, you know, in any kind of
Speaker:quote, quantum capacity, whether you are certified
Speaker:through the institute or not, it doesn't matter if you do that kind of work
Speaker:as a practitioner. This is open to you and we
Speaker:are looking to build out a coalition of practitioners
Speaker:who are contributing to the advancement of a paradigm shift
Speaker:towards a quantum
Speaker:biologic medical model, basically. Yeah,
Speaker:yeah, exactly. Going all the way through inside of
Speaker:the QVC Pro community, speaking to which I wanted
Speaker:to do a little promotion there I am kicking off
Speaker:quantum research rounds where we're just going through the research
Speaker:that is there, the academic stuff and I'm going through all of the
Speaker:systems of the body across the next. We're doing one a month. So
Speaker:we're going to be going through like the skeletal musculos system, we're going to be
Speaker:going through the nervous system, we're going to be going through the
Speaker:digestive system. Right. Like we're just going to go like step by step through the
Speaker:whole body. Looking at what are the things that we know, happening
Speaker:that have quantum mechanisms that we know are needed to fully understand
Speaker:to the best of current abilities what's happening in those systems. So
Speaker:that is really going to be a lot of fun just
Speaker:picking through the research and then you have. Then you'll have like, in hand, like
Speaker:some different studies to be able to look at and think about and concepts
Speaker:just to ground this a little bit more in like the human body.
Speaker:Because it is. It can be kind of ethereal
Speaker:or like, you know, just mental. Yeah. But it
Speaker:also is happening in academia. So to see, like, what's the
Speaker:foundation of academic research that we're building all of this
Speaker:kooky light stuff on top of.
Speaker:Yeah. To help make those connections and yeah, these research rounds are
Speaker:going to be super, super fun. That
Speaker:is inside the QVC Pro community. If you go to QVCPod
Speaker:and click on Community, it'll bring you to the page to join.
Speaker:It's a low membership fee. We also provide a ton of business
Speaker:support inside the QVC Pro community with we have a
Speaker:business can, a quantum business consultant who comes in every month to
Speaker:answer questions. And we have a ton of recordings on how to build a
Speaker:thriving practice and all that kind of thing.
Speaker:And then Nico is bringing in the research piece into the QVC
Speaker:Pro community. So again, the community is
Speaker:open to anyone interested in
Speaker:looking towards working within the field of
Speaker:what could be considered applied quantum biology. And
Speaker:if you are interested in supporting
Speaker:our nonprofit foundation which is now
Speaker:opening up the Practice Based Research Network,
Speaker:please do email Nico. As she mentioned.
Speaker:Nico@iaqb.foundation.
Speaker:Yeah. Yeah. For those listening, it's N I K O. Thank you. Yes.
Speaker:Not no, no C N I K K O
Speaker:A Q B DOT foundation. And yeah,
Speaker:because really, you know, we live in a
Speaker:quantum universe and we can do whatever we want. Yep. And what we
Speaker:want to do is get together and like, do a cool research thing.
Speaker:So come join us. We'd love to have you
Speaker:and we'll all shift the paradigm together.
Speaker:Nico, this was delightful. I always love chatting with you. I never
Speaker:know what direction it's going to go in
Speaker:and yeah, it's been really fun.
Speaker:Yeah. Thank you so much, Meredith. I appreciate having you and
Speaker:collaborating on all of this. It's super, super exciting.
Speaker:All right, well, we will. We'll have you back on again soon and
Speaker:stay lit up, everybody. We need you. Okay. By.
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