Episode 148

148: What Labor and Delivery Nursing Taught Julie Schanno About Anchoring Consciousness in the Body

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"Our true nature is vast. And so for us to explore that in a way that the body can tolerate, it has to be this sort of gentle expansion," says Julie Schanno, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to discuss the integration of spiritual practices with biological understanding. A former nurse practitioner, Julie shares her journey from conventional medicine to a holistic approach that combines nervous system regulation, mitochondrial health, and the fluid-fascia system.

Julie explains how our incarnation into a world of scarcity and separation has left imprints of survival in our operating systems, while our true nature remains encoded in our biology. She discusses the importance of bottom-up work in accessing and integrating this information, and how practices like Continuum Movement can help us tap into the intelligence of our bodies.

Tune in to today's episode to learn about the trinity of health - nervous system capacity, mitochondrial voltage, and the fluid-fascia system - and how understanding these elements can support both physical wellbeing and spiritual growth. Julie offers insights on how aligning with natural rhythms can signal safety to our bodies, and why integrating survival energy is crucial for experiencing more coherence in our lives.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Integrate bottom-up practices to build nervous system capacity and process survival energy. This allows for greater presence and ability to handle life's challenges.

2. Align with natural light cycles to support your circadian biology. Exposure to morning sunlight and limiting artificial light at night can improve sleep, hormones, and overall health.

3. Explore somatic practices like Continuum Movement to connect with the fluid intelligence of your body. This can provide access to deeper wisdom and support integration.

4. Balance nervous system regulation, mitochondrial voltage, and fluid fascia health as a foundation for wellbeing and spiritual growth. All three components work together synergistically.

5. Take responsibility for triggered emotions by feeling them fully in the body rather than projecting outward. This allows the energy to move through and be transformed.

Memorable Quotes

"Our body holds the imprint of survival, and it also holds the blueprint of who we are."
"Integration has required bottom-up work and a deepening. This is a process, it's devotional. As long as I'm on the planet, I'm going to be integrating. There is no place to get to."
"The fluid system holds our original true nature. It holds the truth of who we are. And it's also the medium that needs to be healthy so that we can integrate."

Connect with Julie

Website: https://www.livetruenature.co/

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Resources Mentioned

Hands of Light: A Guide to Healing Through the Human Energy Field Paperback by Barbara Brennan - ​​https://amzn.to/4pDBRPE

Barbara Brennan School of Healing - https://barbarabrennan.com/

Smart Body, Smart Mind (Irene Lyons course) - https://smartbodysmartmind.com/

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

Julie Shanno, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Julie Schanno:

Thank you.

Meredith Oke:

I'm so delighted to have you here. And I think

Meredith Oke:

the timing is perfect, as we've just been

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chatting before we hit record. Sometimes

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conversations happen, like, right when they're

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supposed to. So I'm super excited because we've

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been back and forth for, like, a year, I think.

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And so. But now is the moment, and this is when

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it's supposed to happen. So let's. So let's start

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out a little bit with your story. So you started

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in as a nurse practitioner inside conventional

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medicine, and you have traveled some distance

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from there. Tell us about it.

Julie Schanno:

Yes, well, my training is medical. At first, I

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was a nurse, and I had both the honor and

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privilege to support birth and to be a labor and

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delivery nurse. For a lot of years, while I was

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working as a labor and delivery nurse, I went

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back and did my master's and did training in

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adult medicine and women's health, getting a

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master's degree. So then I worked as a nurse

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practitioner. And maybe I just want to, like,

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pause on the labor part because I feel like what

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that gave me, the experience of being a labor and

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labor and delivery nurse, was it gave me this

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practice of being with people in really intense

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times and being in transformative times and being

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able to hold myself while I'm with another. So I

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feel like that work was the foundation for the

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type of work that I do now.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Oh, that makes so much sense. That's true.

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Because those nurses, you guys are so calm, and

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the mama's just like. Especially if it's your

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first one, you're like, oh, my God. The dad is

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like. And those nurses are like, okay, it's all

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right. Yeah, yeah. That is a definitely. Yeah,

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totally. A spiritual practice. All right, so you

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had medical training and spiritual training.

Julie Schanno:

Medical training. Okay. So medical training and,

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you know, this beautiful space of labor and

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delivery taught me a lot. It taught me a lot

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about what it is to be in the system. And there

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were challenges to that, as a lot of people speak

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to here, when I went on to do my master's

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training. And then I ended up doing nurse

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practitioner work in internal medicine and

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women's health. That was a space where I feel

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like every part of my journey has sort of been

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this deep learning as it is for everyone. And I

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think the piece that comes forward about my time

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as a nurse practitioner is that it was the place

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where I started to recognize that a person's

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thoughts and belief systems were directly

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impacting the physiology. So as I started to

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Interface, observe, communicate with support

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patients. I started to see this theme of like,

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oh, wow, there is a narrative that goes with or

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matches, has a resonance to what the person may

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be experiencing physically. And so from that

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awareness I sort of turned it back on myself and

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I was like, wow. I started observing my thought

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forms and I started observing my beliefs and what

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my intentions were for, like, why did I say this

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or do this? What was the sort of like background

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driver of my behavior and my thought forms. And

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so from there what I experienced was like this

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really, that was a first big shift in observing

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thought and seeing the direct connection in my

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own physiology. And had a huge change, you know,

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I had a huge change in my relationship to my

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body. And then that was sort of this like top

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down awareness of like, if I don't buy into those

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thought forms, there is like a real physical

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freedom that I began to experience. So, wow, that

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was kind of my takeaway as a nurse practitioner

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was observation and then it, and then reflecting

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it back to myself and shifting and I began being

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really interested in psychoneuroimmunology. So

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kind of on the side, I was like exploring outside

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with education of like, how is this connected and

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what do we do in this medical framework to

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support people from all these angles and being

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frustrated because there wasn't, you know, there

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wasn't a great way to support all the parts of

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the people. It was just very much like labs and

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review and adjust medications in 15 minutes. And

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so that was something that, you know, was not

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sustainable for me to be in.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Yeah, the system is just not set up. There's

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some, I think maybe some systems you can massage

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from within to expand the scope, but this one,

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not so much. And also, you know, most nurse

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practitioners don't come away with the insights

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that you did. Like, there was some part of you

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that was primed to have this awareness that, that

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you could see. What you could see as in thought

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forms and belief systems affecting physiology,

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like that is largely invisible to majority of

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people, I would say, if, you know, unless they've

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been really specifically trained in it. So where

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did that, where did that lead you next?

Julie Schanno:

Well, where that led me was, oh, gosh, what was

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the next step? Well, okay, I'll say this. I moved

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to Alaska. That's what shifted so much for me.

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And I lived on a small island called Sitka in

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southeast Alaska. And so when I went there, there

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was this immediate shift in my system, there was

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immediate shift in my body. I would say that like

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when I stepped off the ferry to that land I felt

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my nervous system change. And there was a

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realization at that point that I had been

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operating from like, what I know now to be a

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pendulation between like dorsal vagal and

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sympathetic charge, like back and forth from

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these survival states pretty much my whole life.

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And so being in Alaska and being on that land and

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it was just so remote and pristine, it like

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allowed me to experience, I think, the first time

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just like longer periods in ventral vagal and I

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think in safety. And what that did is it began to

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open my perceptual lens. And I think that's the

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essence of what I work with now or support people

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with. So the safety in the system is what allowed

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me to expand my perceptual lens beyond what I had

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known from that place of survival. And from there

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I began to experience, gosh, a combination of

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things, a combination of like, awarenesses that

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weren't within my paradigm at that time.

Meredith Oke:

So it was.

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Being aware of energy fields and that kind of

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spontaneously happened. Awareness of fields,

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Awareness of, I would call them, you know, people

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refer to it as downloads or this information that

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didn't really come through the mental field. And

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I was really questioning, like, what is this and

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what is this about? And, and simultaneously like,

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like I listened to some. Carolyn Mace, who's

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medical intuitive. I remember listening to it on

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CDs.

Meredith Oke:

Same.

Julie Schanno:

So you know what I'm talking about.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

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And so that, you know, her whole, like, way of

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presenting the way that our biofield and our

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biology is connected and our lived experiences,

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all this, this whole multi dimensional thing

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really landed for me and that made sense and

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that, that really helped me see how like the

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limitation of the medical model and how, you

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know, how could our lived experience not be

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impacting our physiology? So that led me to

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eventually studying or reading the book Hands of

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Light that Barbara Brennan wrote. And at the end

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of the book, you know, I remember reading it and

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thinking, oh my gosh, this is like nobody around

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me at the time was like in my circle, yeah, was

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really speaking to these things. So it was almost

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like this really quiet, like, oh my goodness, all

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of this exists and there are energy fields and it

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corresponds with our experience and makes a lot

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of sense to me, but it still felt kind of on the

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edge of what I knew at that time or what I had

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experienced. So at the end of Hands of Light and

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I did it just like a really good student would. I

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like, filled out all the questions, journaled all

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my responses for my own inner reflections.

Meredith Oke:

And this is from her book?

Julie Schanno:

Yes. And then at the End I saw that there was a

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school and. And so that. That is really what took

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me to Barbara Brennan School. And that's a four

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year program. And it is a combination of. I'm

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like, gosh, so grateful for the foundation of the

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school because it was a combination of spiritual

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psychology. It was a really refined model of how

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to understand the biofield and how that

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correlates with our lived experience. Beautiful

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biology. And then it really was a foundation for

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understanding developmental trauma too.

Meredith Oke:

Say a little more about what that is.

Julie Schanno:

So we studied through the lens of or. Barbara

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Brennan's work included the work of Wilhelm

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Reich, who was a student of Freud. And it was

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understanding how what we experienced at the very

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beginning of our life set the kind of biological

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foundation for how the personalities developed.

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It's. It was this. And that was sort of a flip in

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my whole perspective at the time. And actually a

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really humbling one too, because it was like,

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wait a minute, you're saying that my entire

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identity or Persona that I have was built on the

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foundation of the physiology that was happening

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and in utero, during birth, first year of life,

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like that there is a neurochemical foundation

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that like sort of sets the stage for what we

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experience through life in our perceptual lens.

Meredith Oke:

So incredible. All right, keep going.

Julie Schanno:

There's so much to say.

Meredith Oke:

I've read your bio. I know you didn't stop up

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there.

Julie Schanno:

So yeah, it was, you know, yeah, it was a lot

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about consciousness. Like, I think part of what

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took me there is like, where are we here? What,

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what is this whole life thing about? And who am

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I? And it was a way to explore ourselves on many

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different levels. So that was a really deep

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foundation for, for me. And then I went to

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travel. And so there was. There was a couple

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years after Brennan that I traveled extensively

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and I felt very guided. It was very specific

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guidance for me to travel to different parts of

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the world, to take a sabbatical for six months

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and to go to different parts of the world. I knew

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I was starting in Ireland, I knew I was ending in

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Nepal, but I didn't really know what the middle

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of that was. And so it was this sort of fluid

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journey to different places. And again, it was

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like deepening that connection with like we're as

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humans interfacing with land and the history of

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the land and the frequency of that through our

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bodies. And so what came through from that

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travel, I would say the overarching teaching in

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that travel was that our. And it was an interface

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with like, you know, I went to Egypt So there was

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this ancient Egyptian sort of like practices that

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were there. There were. I went to south of France

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and followed some of the Mary Magdalene kind of

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historical pieces there. Went to Ireland,

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England, Scotland. So there was this connection

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to ancient Celtic mythology. And so what all of

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them, really, if I encapsulate all of them, what

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I learned from that was that we have the capacity

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now to walk through this world with our, you

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know, spiritual, divine nature and our human

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merged. So the path of that was what I saw as

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this, like, theme that was moving through each

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one of those. Well, each one of those pieces. And

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I think at that point sort of shifted me into

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more of like, oh, this is. There's no destination

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here. This is a devotional path. This is a path

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that was laid down a long time ago through a lot

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of ancient teachings. And the biggest piece that

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brings me to quantum biology is I realized it was

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a biological process.

Meredith Oke:

That it's okay.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the divine human as this

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alchemical process of like knowing yourself as a

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multi dimensional being anchored through the

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biology.

Meredith Oke:

That is exactly how I feel. And, and I think for

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myself, I think we all gravitate to where we're

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more most comfortable on our healing journeys. So

Meredith Oke:

for me, that was a. It started out with a very

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mental place, like a cognitive. Like, I did a

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lot, a lot of work. I got really into the work of

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Byron Katie. Right. Where you learn to question

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your thoughts. Absolutely transformed my life,

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like, because I was able to make decisions as

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opposed to being reactive all the time. Yeah. And

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then I moved into, you know, much deeper

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spiritual work over years of, you know, looking

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at all the things that our, our mind, our

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consciousness wants, you know, the. Our mind

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wants to hide from us. And allowing myself to

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become conscious of it to the point where I was

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actually quite comfortable doing really

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uncomfortable spiritual work like you talked

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about. Oh, well, what if I turned it back on

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myself? Like, I was like, always like, what's my

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part in this? Where am I? You know, how am I

Meredith Oke:

showing up? And then I got chronic fatigue

Meredith Oke:

because I wasn't tending to my biology.

Julie Schanno:

Right. Yes. And that's exactly. Thank you. That's

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exactly what I experienced was that. Yeah, it was

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this depth and continual, like, deepening into

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all this work that you just spoke. Spoke to so

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beautifully. I'm like, yep, that's exactly what

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happened. And, and this is what kind of leads to

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what I feel like is so important for the time

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that we're in now as a collective. After that

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travel, I came back to where I was still Kind of

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doing travel, nursing, and always, like, really

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devoted to, like, how do I keep myself in this

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work? How do I keep myself. Keep integrating? And

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I got the strongest message that said, you can

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expand no further without integrating this

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through your nervous system.

Meredith Oke:

Wow.

Julie Schanno:

And I was like. But I, you know, there was

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resistance because I felt like I've done so much

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work and. And yeah, like, how. Why is my body

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doing this? So there were a lot of different

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signals coming from my own nervous system. And

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that brought me to the work of Irene Lyons. And

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so in 2000, beginning of 2019, I started taking

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her class, Smart body, Smart Mind, or her course,

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I should say. And I was really, you know, I felt

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like I knew the nervous system. I was like, I've

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taught the nervous system. I've taught stress

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workshops. I have that background medically. So

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it's like, what is. Like, I know about the

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different branches and all the things. So there

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was a level again, that was just resistance speak

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speaking. Because I knew there was part of me

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that knew, like, you, you've still got to meet

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this. There's deeper material here that you are

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not going to be able to get to with your mind or

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any spiritual framework. It's going to have to

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come another way. So what. And I'm so grateful to

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her because I had her program on repeat. You can

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continue taking it. And it gave me more capacity

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because I had done a lot of other types of

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practices. I feel like my body was sort of ready

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to, like, you know, know, things were just

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popping and coming from the bottom up that were

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ready to. To sort of move through. And so that

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was really stabilizing. And, you know, honestly,

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after having a lot of expansive experiences which

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we can be sort of addicted to, you know, if

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they're driven by the survival energy that is the

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foundation.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Julie Schanno:

So if our operating system is still primarily

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survival and we're like having really expansive

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experiences, like there's this ricochet back and

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forth expansion contraction really hard.

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Expansion contraction really hard. And so that

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nervous system regulation is key because if we

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experience this, like a lot of information, a lot

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of energy and frequency, and we don't have the

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bandwidth or the capacity in the system, we're

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just going to slam back hard into survival

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energy. So that's going to present itself in a

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myriad of ways that.

Meredith Oke:

That is really key, I think, because, yeah, I

Meredith Oke:

mean, it almost feels like the path of spiritual

Meredith Oke:

growth or healing or health or whatever path, you

Meredith Oke:

know, whatever particular journey you're on. We

Meredith Oke:

often do hit a point where we were talking about

Meredith Oke:

This a bit before, but it's like, where you hold

Meredith Oke:

on really tight to whatever that framework is. I

Meredith Oke:

am never gonna miss a sunrise until the GI jot.

Meredith Oke:

Right? And it's like, okay, you know what? Some

Meredith Oke:

mornings I'm tired and I sleep in. And that's

Meredith Oke:

just how it goes. Right. But we do that with

Meredith Oke:

whatever it is, whether it's a spiritual

Meredith Oke:

framework, a religious framework, a food

Meredith Oke:

framework. Like, we can get so attached to this

Meredith Oke:

framework that has helped us so much. And is that

Meredith Oke:

what you're talking about.

Julie Schanno:

Like, slamming back into survival, or how.

Meredith Oke:

Would you explain that?

Julie Schanno:

Hmm. I think, you know, this is where I feel like

Julie Schanno:

the study of characterology and developmental

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trauma was really helpful for me to see this

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bigger picture of.

Meredith Oke:

This.

Julie Schanno:

And this has helped me to neither identify with

Julie Schanno:

myself as traumatized or deny that there is a lot

Julie Schanno:

of survival operating is that we incarnated into

Julie Schanno:

a planet that's been at war. It's been operating

Julie Schanno:

from scarcity, extraction, colonization,

Julie Schanno:

separation for thousands of years. And our bodies

Julie Schanno:

aren't separate from that. So on some level, we

Julie Schanno:

are all holding a level of survival in our

Julie Schanno:

operating system from the beginning. But what

Julie Schanno:

we're also holding is awareness of our true

Julie Schanno:

nature. I feel like that is also in the physical

Julie Schanno:

body, and that's where water becomes so

Julie Schanno:

important. And that consciousness and water are

Julie Schanno:

deeply, deeply interconnected. That's our way. So

Julie Schanno:

it's like our body holds the imprint of survival,

Julie Schanno:

and it also holds the blueprint of who we are.

Meredith Oke:

And we are on a journey. Navigating.

Julie Schanno:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

All right, so you mentioned water, as you have

Meredith Oke:

also studied. I forget what you called it.

Meredith Oke:

Continuum movement.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so tell us about that and how that

Meredith Oke:

integrates into everything else you've just laid

Meredith Oke:

out for us.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah. So, gosh, how do I. There feels like some

Julie Schanno:

pieces that want to come before that.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, you. If. If there are pieces, if I've

Meredith Oke:

jumped ahead, you. You go with your. Yeah, go

Meredith Oke:

with your intuition here. What do we need to know

Meredith Oke:

next?

Julie Schanno:

So I think, again, one of the things that I did

Julie Schanno:

not mention, there were a lot of pieces that

Julie Schanno:

brought me to Brennan, but one of them that stick

Julie Schanno:

out and it's going to circle back to this. That

Julie Schanno:

was really important that took me to Brennan was

Julie Schanno:

when I had bodywork, Rolfing. At one point, I had

Julie Schanno:

a whole Rolfing series. So, you know, that's the

Julie Schanno:

movement of the fascia and kind of working with

Julie Schanno:

fascial restrictive patterns, which are

Julie Schanno:

protective patterns. Right. And in that

Julie Schanno:

experience, there was a body memory that came

Julie Schanno:

forward around the. In Utero experience, which

Julie Schanno:

obviously I have no conceptual memory of that.

Julie Schanno:

Our brains weren't developed when we were in

Julie Schanno:

utero, but our bodies were developing. And so we

Julie Schanno:

were receiving information from the environment.

Julie Schanno:

We were receiving information from our mother and

Julie Schanno:

her surroundings, her neurochemical information.

Julie Schanno:

That was all being sort of, you know, we're kind

Julie Schanno:

of bathing in that as we're developing in utero.

Julie Schanno:

And so I had a memory. It was from the very

Julie Schanno:

beginning. And so that was part of what brought

Julie Schanno:

me to Brennan. And then at the end of Brennan,

Julie Schanno:

it's like I kept going back to that part because

Julie Schanno:

I knew I was like that. I wasn't trying to go

Julie Schanno:

back to it, but it kept presenting itself as like

Julie Schanno:

this is the foundation of, of how everything else

Julie Schanno:

came into being. So our, our physiologic

Julie Schanno:

foundation kind of is translated emotionally.

Julie Schanno:

It's translated through our thought forms, our

Julie Schanno:

belief system, our worldview, our identity. So if

Julie Schanno:

we're all on some level, different degrees, not

Julie Schanno:

minimizing the unique experiences that every

Julie Schanno:

human has had on this planet, if we're all

Julie Schanno:

operating from some level of survival at the

Julie Schanno:

foundation, then there is a deeper level, or I

Julie Schanno:

would say a bottom up level of work. That. And

Julie Schanno:

that's what had actually called me was like, how

Julie Schanno:

do I go back there? Because I feel like back

Julie Schanno:

there at the beginning is where the imprint got

Julie Schanno:

laid down at the beginning of life, but it's also

Julie Schanno:

where the blueprint is. And so that led me into

Julie Schanno:

continual movement, which is, you know, bottom up

Julie Schanno:

work. It's really given space for the body to

Julie Schanno:

teach us what's happening. It's gosh, it's such a

Julie Schanno:

multi dimensional. It feels like minimizing to

Julie Schanno:

call it a modality because it feels like such a

Julie Schanno:

sacred, ancient practice that was, you know, I

Julie Schanno:

just want to honor the person that brought it

Julie Schanno:

through is Emily Conrad, who's. Who passed in

Julie Schanno:

2014. But she brought this through in the 60s.

Julie Schanno:

She was a dancer and author. And really her work

Julie Schanno:

was about how the consciousness, how our true

Julie Schanno:

nature interfaces with biology. There it is. And

Julie Schanno:

a way to meet that as an experience, not a

Julie Schanno:

concept.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And there it is. The experience, the

Meredith Oke:

integration of it in actual life, in the, in this

Meredith Oke:

moment. And even healing, I can, you know, even

Meredith Oke:

healing work to some extent. I can jump out and.

Meredith Oke:

And it's like, oh, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna

Meredith Oke:

do this and then I'm gonna get better at it. I'm

Meredith Oke:

like. And it's like, okay, well, okay, Meredith.

Meredith Oke:

Where like just pretend everything's all Better

Meredith Oke:

right now. Like, where are you? Why are you like,

Meredith Oke:

what, what is this? And I'm like, right. It's to

Meredith Oke:

experience the moment. Like, okay, so just do

Meredith Oke:

that. But we, yeah, we kind of want to run from

Meredith Oke:

it. So talk to me about bringing that into

Meredith Oke:

experience because that is truly, I think, where

Meredith Oke:

the meaning is.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah, yeah. I feel like what's coming forward in

Julie Schanno:

this moment is, you know, when you were just

Julie Schanno:

speaking to like spiritual practice, for example,

Julie Schanno:

what I kind of connected the dots with through

Julie Schanno:

Irene's work and then into Continuum, which, you

Julie Schanno:

know, it just got deeper and deeper was that, oh,

Julie Schanno:

there was this realization that a lot of the

Julie Schanno:

spiritual practices that I had been doing were

Julie Schanno:

actually dissociative. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so,

Julie Schanno:

you know, not to like, none of this is to, to say

Julie Schanno:

that any part of our journey is bad or wrong. I

Julie Schanno:

just feel like we get these opportunities that

Julie Schanno:

call us to refinement. And so I look at, you

Julie Schanno:

know, the struggles that I've had with health or

Julie Schanno:

hitting the wall and realizing that I have to

Julie Schanno:

integrate this, that for my body to anchor

Julie Schanno:

consciousness is a different call. And that,

Julie Schanno:

that, you know, was very humbling. I wouldn't

Julie Schanno:

trade any of those experiences that brought me to

Julie Schanno:

that. So that being said, there are these moments

Julie Schanno:

of discomfort where those frameworks or those

Julie Schanno:

practices become limiting and we realize there's

Julie Schanno:

a call for more.

Meredith Oke:

Right, yeah. Because we really, we really love to

Meredith Oke:

make it all about one thing, don't we?

Julie Schanno:

That's comfortable and that's, you know, I think

Julie Schanno:

that's part of what we're talking about at the

Julie Schanno:

beginning. We need to feel safe enough to explore

Julie Schanno:

ourselves because we're all very vast.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, yeah.

Julie Schanno:

That's our true nature. It's vast. And so for us

Julie Schanno:

to explore that in a way that the body can

Julie Schanno:

tolerate, it has to be this sort of gentle

Julie Schanno:

expansion. Gentle expansion. If we go too fast

Julie Schanno:

outside of our frameworks, there is a ricochet

Julie Schanno:

into survival energy. We just pop right back to

Julie Schanno:

that operating system that was set up from the

Julie Schanno:

beginning. So it's. Yeah. Integration, you know,

Julie Schanno:

to me has, has required bottom up work and it's

Julie Schanno:

required a deepening and for me to move from, you

Julie Schanno:

know, because I think on the, on the path,

Julie Schanno:

especially when you start exploring spiritual

Julie Schanno:

concepts and expanding your perspectives, there

Julie Schanno:

can be this sort of drive, our destination

Julie Schanno:

orientation, you know, or like there's this push

Julie Schanno:

behind it which is survival energy. And so that

Julie Schanno:

shift into more. This is a process, it's

Julie Schanno:

devotional. This is as long as I'm on the planet,

Julie Schanno:

I'm going to be integrating. There is no place to

Julie Schanno:

get to that has been, oh my gosh, so helpful.

Meredith Oke:

Yes.

Julie Schanno:

Once I could surrender to that. That's been

Julie Schanno:

extremely helpful. And I'm like, oh, okay, it's

Julie Schanno:

right here. You know, everything is here. And

Julie Schanno:

what keeps me, you know, that I think the

Julie Schanno:

foundation of every spiritual practice is like

Julie Schanno:

how do we be fully present in the moment? And

Julie Schanno:

what takes us out of present moment is that kind

Julie Schanno:

of looping survival energy. It's like being

Julie Schanno:

pulled back into the past, it's being propelled

Julie Schanno:

into the future. And it's really like if we're

Julie Schanno:

here now, we have access to everything or there's

Julie Schanno:

the potential for access to everything. And to me

Julie Schanno:

this is a place where the ordinary becomes

Julie Schanno:

extraordinary. Where there's no like, again this.

Julie Schanno:

There's a lot of like glamorization of

Julie Schanno:

spirituality. There's a lot of. Yeah, there's a

Julie Schanno:

lot of stuff there. So the simple has actually

Julie Schanno:

been an anchor to me in a way that bottom up work

Julie Schanno:

has allowed more fully anchor in the everyday.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And when, when you say bottom up work, are

Meredith Oke:

you talking about getting into the body?

Julie Schanno:

Yeah. Thank you. It's like sometimes you don't

Julie Schanno:

know if you so bottom up, like just. Let's just

Julie Schanno:

say what's top down? Bottom. Top down is like

Julie Schanno:

frameworks that, you know, you're observing

Julie Schanno:

yourself from thought, maybe feel an emotion.

Julie Schanno:

You're looking at behaviors and the origin of

Julie Schanno:

those behaviors, where does that come? You're

Julie Schanno:

understanding yourself from here and then you're

Julie Schanno:

kind of processing and you may go into emotion

Julie Schanno:

and maybe even into the body. With some bottom up

Julie Schanno:

work is going to the body and learning the

Julie Schanno:

language of sensation. And it's allowing what's

Julie Schanno:

present. It's allowing ourselves to really

Julie Schanno:

connect to sensation in a way that allows maybe

Julie Schanno:

old survival energy to have a space to come

Julie Schanno:

forward for integration. And that may look like

Julie Schanno:

movements and that may look like emotion and that

Julie Schanno:

may look like intense sensation. But survival

Julie Schanno:

energy just wants to complete itself. And there's

Julie Schanno:

a way that, you know, slowing down to feel. And I

Julie Schanno:

found this in Irene's courses too. It can be

Julie Schanno:

really uncomfortable at first. Yeah, can be

Julie Schanno:

really uncomfortable because that which, you

Julie Schanno:

know, we may have been avoiding comes forward,

Julie Schanno:

you know, sometimes in an intense way. And we

Julie Schanno:

slowly through bottom up work, build the capacity

Julie Schanno:

to feel strong sensation. We build the capacity

Julie Schanno:

to feel strong emotion. We're not trying to be

Julie Schanno:

calm all the time. We're building a system that's

Julie Schanno:

resilient and able to move through stressors. And

Julie Schanno:

not like, hold it and have it recycle through and

Julie Schanno:

inform our emotions and our thoughts and our

Julie Schanno:

world. Because to me, it's like this survival

Julie Schanno:

energy is the origin of division that's happening

Julie Schanno:

now.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. Yeah. And it's, It's. It's amped up on

Meredith Oke:

purpose. I feel like. Like we're manipulated on

Meredith Oke:

purpose to amp those things up.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

But then. And I kind of. I kind of said this on

Meredith Oke:

social media last week, which I don't normally

Meredith Oke:

do, but I did. But then it's like, it's like,

Meredith Oke:

okay, fine, we're ninjas. We will take that

Meredith Oke:

trigger.

Julie Schanno:

We will take that trigger into our.

Meredith Oke:

Survival energy and we are going to work with it.

Meredith Oke:

As opposed to letting it run. Run roughshod over

Meredith Oke:

us.

Julie Schanno:

Yes. And projecting it and like, contributing to

Julie Schanno:

more chaos. It's like there's a level of

Julie Schanno:

responsibility we, you know, there is. That we

Julie Schanno:

can assume that actually frees us ultimately from.

Meredith Oke:

Yes.

Julie Schanno:

In that.

Meredith Oke:

Yes.

Julie Schanno:

So we get entangled. It's like our survival

Julie Schanno:

energy that we have not acknowledged that is

Julie Schanno:

running us is the way that we're vulnerable to

Julie Schanno:

that polarization we experience externally. Like,

Julie Schanno:

if we get looped into that over and over, it's

Julie Schanno:

our charges that are kind of keeping us in that.

Julie Schanno:

And so we, when we begin to say, okay, you know,

Julie Schanno:

and again, when we get to the top down, bottom

Julie Schanno:

up, I think there is a place for both. And that's

Julie Schanno:

ultimately what we need. We need. We need a

Julie Schanno:

conceptual framework. We also need a safe way to

Julie Schanno:

explore the body slowly. But if we take

Julie Schanno:

responsibility for that energy that's coming up

Julie Schanno:

in the form of a trigger, say some like, we have

Julie Schanno:

lots of things that we can potentially be

Julie Schanno:

triggered by right now. And instead of staying in

Julie Schanno:

that, like, righteousness that comes from fight

Julie Schanno:

energy or overwhelming collapse that comes from

Julie Schanno:

the dorsal vagal branch that says, oh, it's

Julie Schanno:

hopeless. There's nothing I can do. If we take

Julie Schanno:

responsibility for the charges that are coming up

Julie Schanno:

in the moment as ours and learn how to move them

Julie Schanno:

through the system, we're not ruled by them

Julie Schanno:

anymore. Is the ultimate right. The ultimate.

Julie Schanno:

Because we're not ruled by them. And we don't

Julie Schanno:

necessarily. Yeah. It's not a denial that the

Julie Schanno:

chaos in the world is happening, but we're not

Julie Schanno:

entangled in it all the time. And we are able to

Julie Schanno:

have an existence that is. Acknowledges that, but

Julie Schanno:

that is not feeding it.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And we can make choices of how to part, how

Meredith Oke:

to effectively participate or not. And I always

Meredith Oke:

like to think of, you know, that it gives Us, the

Meredith Oke:

ability to focus on building things and doing

Meredith Oke:

things like you've built. You are building this

Meredith Oke:

beautiful body of work. Right? And that is

Meredith Oke:

something that you can focus on that's real and

Meredith Oke:

meaningful as opposed to having our, our meaning

Meredith Oke:

and our reality created by all of this external

Meredith Oke:

chaos. So walk us through. Okay, so let's

Meredith Oke:

pretend. Okay. I'll give you something that

Meredith Oke:

triggers me. I see somebody who's done a really,

Meredith Oke:

a lot of work in research to bring forward a very

Meredith Oke:

coherent argument about why certain changes

Meredith Oke:

should, should or could be made, let's say, in

Meredith Oke:

the American medical system, for example. And

Meredith Oke:

that person gets treated as though they are an

Meredith Oke:

enemy. And there's all different like flavors of

Meredith Oke:

how they try to take the person down. They tell,

Meredith Oke:

they say that they're a quack, or they say that

Meredith Oke:

they're wrong, or they say that it's

Meredith Oke:

pseudoscience, or they say they're a bad person,

Meredith Oke:

or they say, you know, like whatever.

Julie Schanno:

There's a whole little toolkit of ways.

Meredith Oke:

To discredit someone that they pull from. And so

Meredith Oke:

I, when I see that happening about something and

Meredith Oke:

I know that that person is, is directionally

Meredith Oke:

accurate and probably closer to the truth than

Meredith Oke:

anyone else on that topic, I'm like.

Julie Schanno:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so Julie, help me. What do I do?

Julie Schanno:

Well, you know, one of the things that I've

Julie Schanno:

worked with people, it's gosh, working with anger

Julie Schanno:

and that fight. You know, there is a health to

Julie Schanno:

that. There is a liberation of energy that

Julie Schanno:

happens when we're able to meet that charge of

Julie Schanno:

fight in our systems and allow it to move through

Julie Schanno:

the body. And really what I find with, with anger

Julie Schanno:

or even rage is that there can be. Because the

Julie Schanno:

charge is so big, we can disconnect from it, we

Julie Schanno:

dissociate from it from the charge and it goes up

Julie Schanno:

and out. And that can be energetically up and

Julie Schanno:

out. It can be projected onto another person and

Julie Schanno:

more fight, more conflict, more. But if we learn

Julie Schanno:

gradually to move that down, and I would say

Julie Schanno:

ground the charge and work with the system, and I

Julie Schanno:

don't think this can be too prescriptive. It has

Julie Schanno:

to be a practice of meeting your body that it can

Julie Schanno:

organically begin to know how to do this. But

Julie Schanno:

ultimately how you work with the charges, can you

Julie Schanno:

move it through your system? And if I were

Julie Schanno:

guiding you like in a one on one situation and

Julie Schanno:

you were, of course, we don't want to like

Julie Schanno:

conjure it. It's like when it's here.

Meredith Oke:

Yes.

Julie Schanno:

When it's alive, can you be with another coherent

Julie Schanno:

enough person that you can meet that charge and

Julie Schanno:

allow it to move all the way through the system.

Julie Schanno:

And when that happens, something really shifts in

Julie Schanno:

the system. It's like a reclamation of yourself

Julie Schanno:

that reinforms the way you are even perceiving

Julie Schanno:

the reality in front of you.

Meredith Oke:

Right, yeah, that's so true. Because I don't want

Meredith Oke:

to, you know, gaslight myself and be like, oh,

Meredith Oke:

it's fine, everything happens for a reason. Like,

Meredith Oke:

no, this is deeply enraging behavior. Yeah. So

Meredith Oke:

it's not. So acknowledge that. Okay, and then

Meredith Oke:

what?

Julie Schanno:

Yes. So it's. And that's where the bottom up work

Julie Schanno:

has been so powerful because a lot of the, again,

Julie Schanno:

spiritual frameworks or psychological frameworks,

Julie Schanno:

sometimes there can be a sort of. I shouldn't.

Julie Schanno:

There could be a way that we still prevent

Julie Schanno:

ourselves from really feeling the charge. And

Julie Schanno:

that charge is ultimately liberating. And I think

Julie Schanno:

there is a lot of anger in the collective. And if

Julie Schanno:

we use that and we feel that and we build the

Julie Schanno:

ability to actually move that through the system,

Julie Schanno:

it becomes empowerment. You know, if we suppress

Julie Schanno:

it, if we're like, oh, I'm gonna keep my vibe

Julie Schanno:

high and I don't have anger, it goes somewhere.

Julie Schanno:

And so there's either it gets repressed, stuffed

Julie Schanno:

in an organ, stuffed in some fascia, you know,

Julie Schanno:

it's going to express a lot of different ways or

Julie Schanno:

we're going to reactively deal with it. So we're

Julie Schanno:

going to project it out on others and externally

Julie Schanno:

have conflict and, and pain ultimately. So to me,

Julie Schanno:

the medicine is feeling it through and then there

Julie Schanno:

is new perspective that comes through that.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, yes. And then we, we take action from, from

Meredith Oke:

that place.

Julie Schanno:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Which is going to be a totally different type of

Meredith Oke:

choice. Okay, so let's, let's talk about like how

Meredith Oke:

your understanding of quantum biology plays into

Meredith Oke:

all of this.

Julie Schanno:

So. Yes, what from continuum movement and that

Julie Schanno:

practice that I've been like deeply connected to

Julie Schanno:

for the past three, going on four years now as a

Julie Schanno:

way to integrate, it's just another way. There's

Julie Schanno:

iron Lyons work, there's a lot of different

Julie Schanno:

somatic bottom up modalities that are available

Julie Schanno:

for people to work with this through that

Julie Schanno:

practice of continuum, in the deepening into that

Julie Schanno:

there, there is a connection that you have to

Julie Schanno:

yourself on many different levels. And we're

Julie Schanno:

exploring the fluid system.

Meredith Oke:

To.

Julie Schanno:

Kind of be reinformed and access this

Julie Schanno:

intelligence that is in our bodies. That is our

Julie Schanno:

body. And so from that practice is actually open

Julie Schanno:

the doorway to like come across quantum biology,

Julie Schanno:

which was this scientific foundation for what

Julie Schanno:

we're Experiencing through the body. So the way

Julie Schanno:

that I'm working with that now or the way that

Julie Schanno:

that's informing what I'm doing is it's giving

Julie Schanno:

sort of this. What did I call it, I called it

Julie Schanno:

earlier, this understanding of biologically what

Julie Schanno:

we need to be able to move through this time with

Julie Schanno:

coherence or to create more coherence

Julie Schanno:

biologically. So for me, that means nervous

Julie Schanno:

system capacity. There's a level of nervous

Julie Schanno:

system capacity that we need. There is

Julie Schanno:

mitochondrial voltage that's needed. And then

Julie Schanno:

there's also access to the fluid fascia system.

Julie Schanno:

These three that are needed for us to be able to

Julie Schanno:

both integrate the old survival energy and then

Julie Schanno:

open and integrate the newer frequencies that are

Julie Schanno:

coming through right now.

Meredith Oke:

So good. That is. Yeah. I love how you're

Meredith Oke:

articulating this, Julie. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

Meredith Oke:

that's. That's how I'm seeing it. So talk to me.

Meredith Oke:

Let's talk about, you know, anyone, any one of

Meredith Oke:

those pillars or how they work together. And

Meredith Oke:

when. When you talk about the fluid of.

Julie Schanno:

The body.

Meredith Oke:

Do you feel like we can have a relationship with

Meredith Oke:

that fluid? Does it. Does it talk to us? Yes.

Julie Schanno:

I'm like, you know, it's so exciting because the

Julie Schanno:

fluid system holds. Really. It's a medium for

Julie Schanno:

consciousness. I feel like it holds the original.

Julie Schanno:

Our original true nature, which, whether that

Julie Schanno:

lands or not or makes sense to a person, it holds

Julie Schanno:

the truth of who we are in that fluid system. And

Julie Schanno:

it's also the medium that needs to be healthy so

Julie Schanno:

that we can integrate. When we're talking about

Julie Schanno:

integrating survival energy, whether you're on a

Julie Schanno:

spiritual path or whichever way, or just really

Julie Schanno:

want to be more healthy, we need all of these

Julie Schanno:

three parts as a foundation to be able to

Julie Schanno:

integrate. So what I noticed through my own

Julie Schanno:

experience was, okay, I built the nervous system

Julie Schanno:

capacity, capacity that's growing and that's a

Julie Schanno:

continual process. But what I noticed through

Julie Schanno:

quantum biology is it's like, oh, I don't have

Julie Schanno:

enough voltage. And so what came forward also was

Julie Schanno:

light therapy. And that has, along with circadian

Julie Schanno:

biology and. And being aligned with light that

Julie Schanno:

supports and creates safe. More safety in the

Julie Schanno:

body. It's building this voltage in the system.

Julie Schanno:

So the relationship between voltage and nervous

Julie Schanno:

system capacity has. Is getting more and more

Julie Schanno:

clear of how we can't have one without the other.

Julie Schanno:

And then also, again, there's going to be the

Julie Schanno:

fluid fascia system too, that allows it to all

Julie Schanno:

communicate. So what I noticed in myself was if I

Julie Schanno:

had capacity, but I didn't have voltage, then

Julie Schanno:

there's like a calmness maybe that's available or

Julie Schanno:

more regulation is available. But then there can

Julie Schanno:

be this sort of backslide into fatigue or there

Julie Schanno:

could be a backslide into even maybe depression

Julie Schanno:

for some people. It's like going to go back into

Julie Schanno:

this parasympathetic. And what I also noticed

Julie Schanno:

with the mitochondria is if a person, for

Julie Schanno:

example, begins doing a lot of these biohacking

Julie Schanno:

things, for example, which again, no make wrong.

Julie Schanno:

But if it just approaching it from biohacking

Julie Schanno:

without nervous system capacity, what I would

Julie Schanno:

notice is, oh, they're building a bunch of

Julie Schanno:

voltage, but it doesn't have the capacity to run

Julie Schanno:

through the nervous system. So that's gonna

Julie Schanno:

present as like a lot of anxiety, insomnia,

Julie Schanno:

revving, incoherent messaging through the system.

Julie Schanno:

So it's like energy was nowhere to go. It's like

Julie Schanno:

a bunch of charge moving through an old wire, an

Julie Schanno:

old electric wire. So this relationship started

Julie Schanno:

to kind of like become more and more clear

Julie Schanno:

through my own exploration and through what I've

Julie Schanno:

learned from quantum biology collective. And then

Julie Schanno:

that moves us to the fluid fascist system. And I

Julie Schanno:

think one of the analogies that's come forward,

Julie Schanno:

forward for me that may support here to

Julie Schanno:

understand these three pieces is like I look at

Julie Schanno:

the nervous system as the conductor. It's like

Julie Schanno:

we're looking at it from a music lens. The

Julie Schanno:

nervous system as the conductor, it's guiding how

Julie Schanno:

we experience things. Depending on what state

Julie Schanno:

we're operating from moment to moment. That's

Julie Schanno:

like going to determine how we experience life.

Julie Schanno:

And then the mitochondria would be the musicians.

Julie Schanno:

They're the ones producing the music, guided by

Julie Schanno:

the nervous system. The fluid and fascia system

Julie Schanno:

to me would be the acoustics. It would be the way

Julie Schanno:

that the sound, the energy, the frequency moves

Julie Schanno:

through the whole system. So if you're missing

Julie Schanno:

one of those or not tending to one of those, what

Julie Schanno:

I notice is there's a lack of balance that can

Julie Schanno:

happen and it may present in these different ways.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I know

Meredith Oke:

everyone's now like thinking of that person who's

Meredith Oke:

an example of each one of those and reflecting on

Meredith Oke:

their own journey and where they've been in that,

Meredith Oke:

in that place. And this is. Yeah, it gives like a

Meredith Oke:

very, you're. You're providing like a very

Meredith Oke:

holistic framework. I think for us to think of

Meredith Oke:

all this, to think of this through and, and to me

Meredith Oke:

that's like. And this is my experience of the, of

Meredith Oke:

the scientific concepts of quantum biology is

Meredith Oke:

that that's what they. That's what it gave to me.

Meredith Oke:

It's like, oh, every. I like, it's all. It's like

Meredith Oke:

the interconnected web of our existence being

Meredith Oke:

like being represented in this model. Not that we

Meredith Oke:

want to like get all obsessive with it, but it,

Meredith Oke:

it's something, it's a guiding force in some

Meredith Oke:

ways. I know, right.

Julie Schanno:

And what I found, it's really anchoring because

Julie Schanno:

there is a practical application. There are

Julie Schanno:

practical ways to support these. These three that

Julie Schanno:

are not complicated or expensive and like I want

Julie Schanno:

better health. These three are going to be. Now

Julie Schanno:

obviously there's gut and my obvious. There are

Julie Schanno:

more things here, but this foundation is like

Julie Schanno:

easy to support. Knowing I feel like my own

Julie Schanno:

interface with nature is just like even more

Julie Schanno:

amplified. Knowing that every cell in my body has

Julie Schanno:

a clock. And when I'm expressing, exposed to the

Julie Schanno:

different bandwidths of light in the morning, my

Julie Schanno:

body is getting the message that says make this

Julie Schanno:

neurotransmitter, release this hormone. It's like

Julie Schanno:

my connection to the rhythms of nature are

Julie Schanno:

directly supporting my physiology in these

Julie Schanno:

precise ways. That's like fun for me. And I feel

Julie Schanno:

like I engage with it on a much different level

Julie Schanno:

now. So these are things like, oh, blocking

Julie Schanno:

artificial light at night, like knowing the

Julie Schanno:

relationship between, between melatonin and

Julie Schanno:

cortisol. And if I am looking at a computer at 9

Julie Schanno:

o' clock at night before I go to bed, that's

Julie Schanno:

gonna like be signaling. It's the middle of the

Julie Schanno:

day, make more cortisol. I'm gonna have disrupted

Julie Schanno:

sleep. I'm gonna have less repair. Because

Julie Schanno:

melatonin is a. Is an antioxidant. It's not just,

Julie Schanno:

you know, this thing that makes us sleepy. So

Julie Schanno:

like the repair of the system, you know, knowing

Julie Schanno:

dark and light cycles and being able to, to be

Julie Schanno:

more precise with those is like signaling safety

Julie Schanno:

in itself. Like when we're in align alignment

Julie Schanno:

with rhythms, light and dark and seasonally

Julie Schanno:

rhythms of that. That's like allowing our body to

Julie Schanno:

do what it knows how to do, which is ultimately

Julie Schanno:

regenerative. I mean.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Julie Schanno:

So yeah, practical ways to support our health and

Julie Schanno:

to support our integration. If you're on that

Julie Schanno:

more spiritual path. It's a way to anchor

Julie Schanno:

yourself.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Yeah. And that's, you know, I mentioned

Meredith Oke:

earlier that I was doing all these other things

Meredith Oke:

but not tending to my biology. And for me

Meredith Oke:

starting to understand about light was sort of

Meredith Oke:

like the door opening to connect. To connect the

Meredith Oke:

spiritual work, to connect the. The idea of us as

Meredith Oke:

multidimensional beings and not just like locked

Meredith Oke:

here in 3D. And then, you know, once you're. Once

Meredith Oke:

you've opened up biology to the quantum world,

Meredith Oke:

it's like everything has meaning. And all of. All

Meredith Oke:

of these concepts start. I mean, for me, anyway,

Meredith Oke:

what happened is they all. They start to make

Meredith Oke:

sense in a coherent way. And it's not just like,

Meredith Oke:

okay, well, my woo woo person says this and my.

Meredith Oke:

And my naturopath says this and my meditation

Meredith Oke:

teacher. It's like. It's like, oh, it's all.

Julie Schanno:

Yes, it's all one.

Meredith Oke:

It's all one.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah. And I think that, you know, what strikes me

Julie Schanno:

when you say that is like the way that the

Julie Schanno:

medical model sort of reflects fragmentation of

Julie Schanno:

systems. It's like they're all. You have this

Julie Schanno:

specialist and that specialist, this organ. It's

Julie Schanno:

all separated. And when you go to the quantum and

Julie Schanno:

we support at the quantum level, where we're

Julie Schanno:

seeing how it's all connected versus how and how

Julie Schanno:

it's all relational versus, like, this organ does

Julie Schanno:

this and this organ does this. And I'm going to

Julie Schanno:

go to this person for this and this person for

Julie Schanno:

this. It's. It becomes this one system that we

Julie Schanno:

can support on all the levels. Through one level

Julie Schanno:

is what it feels like. So the quantum feels like

Julie Schanno:

the foundation for all of it. And like, true,

Julie Schanno:

Truly whole.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Yeah. And I just, I want to share with you,

Meredith Oke:

Julie, because I feel like you've created like

Meredith Oke:

the space, the space for something I've been

Meredith Oke:

thinking about and I know you're going to

Meredith Oke:

understand. So. And it. I've been realizing, you

Meredith Oke:

know, and some of this was conscious that, you

Meredith Oke:

know, I had. I had my, my spiritual. I call it

Meredith Oke:

woo, but like, with love. Like, I love the woo,

Meredith Oke:

you know, and then I had kind of my 3D life where

Meredith Oke:

I wasn't like super public about my woo. And then

Meredith Oke:

I started this project with. With quantum

Meredith Oke:

biology. And I felt very called to keep it

Meredith Oke:

focused through a. A scientific lens, so to speak

Meredith Oke:

to as. Because then you're giving me language to

Meredith Oke:

understand why I did that. Right. Like to anchor

Meredith Oke:

it in for people and myself. When I say people, I

Meredith Oke:

include myself in that. Like, to anchor it in.

Meredith Oke:

Because even though I felt intuitively that the

Meredith Oke:

woo was all real without some kind of mechanistic

Meredith Oke:

explanation, it didn't. It wasn't dropping in the

Meredith Oke:

way it could. And quantum physics helped, but it

Meredith Oke:

didn't quite. There was still a gap. And then

Meredith Oke:

when the work of, you know, quantum physics

Meredith Oke:

connected to biology, that somehow that anchor

Meredith Oke:

dropped in a little bit more deeply. And so the

Meredith Oke:

Way I was ignoring my biology to do other

Meredith Oke:

practices, you know, is also ignoring the

Meredith Oke:

science. Like, okay, like, I felt very called to

Meredith Oke:

focus on that, and now I feel very called to

Meredith Oke:

expand it back out again, to open it back up. And

Meredith Oke:

I feel like you have just done that. So I just

Meredith Oke:

wanted to acknowledge that and say thank you that

Meredith Oke:

you're. For how you are able to, you know, just

Meredith Oke:

for who you are, basically.

Julie Schanno:

Thank you. Well, I definitely relate to that too,

Julie Schanno:

because I. I did the biology and then the

Julie Schanno:

consciousness, and even in the. You know, I've

Julie Schanno:

done a. I've done some courses and group work and

Julie Schanno:

things like that. And, you know, the first course

Julie Schanno:

I did is interesting. It was a smaller group, you

Julie Schanno:

know, like 12 to 15 people. And it was like my

Julie Schanno:

private space of speaking around or having a

Julie Schanno:

group that's interested in doing more spiritual,

Julie Schanno:

esoteric things. And then I also, after that,

Julie Schanno:

created a course that was more around nervous

Julie Schanno:

system and biology and how our whole identity

Julie Schanno:

arises from the biology and helping connect dots

Julie Schanno:

with that and then practical ways.

Meredith Oke:

But.

Julie Schanno:

But I noticed in that I was still like, okay,

Julie Schanno:

here's the spiritual and then here's the

Julie Schanno:

physiologic. And now I do feel those. And I think

Julie Schanno:

that's happening for a lot of people. I'm really

Julie Schanno:

seeing people bringing those, bridging the

Julie Schanno:

science and the spirituality, because it's not

Julie Schanno:

separate. And I think the more integration we do

Julie Schanno:

in ourselves, our creations are going to just

Julie Schanno:

show that. And that's what I hear from a lot of

Julie Schanno:

people that have been on this podcast and is.

Julie Schanno:

Through their own. Their own integration, they're

Julie Schanno:

creating things that are holistic, that are

Julie Schanno:

bridging both of these worlds.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Yeah. And I. I think that there. Yeah,

Meredith Oke:

there's been a shift in the collective

Meredith Oke:

consciousness. Like, enough of. There's enough

Meredith Oke:

people now who've integrated that within

Meredith Oke:

themselves, which is then integrating it within

Meredith Oke:

the whole, where it's like, yeah, it. It just

Meredith Oke:

makes sense now. I mean, I think you mentioned

Meredith Oke:

you were listening to the telepathy tapes, which

Meredith Oke:

I love to bring up, because the fact that that

Meredith Oke:

was the number one podcast in America for a

Meredith Oke:

couple weeks is like. It's like tens of millions

Meredith Oke:

of people wanting. Wanting to engage and being

Meredith Oke:

really excited about topics that just a few

Meredith Oke:

minutes ago, it feels like we're completely

Meredith Oke:

locked in the fringe closet.

Julie Schanno:

Right, right. And even in. I can say even in the

Julie Schanno:

last, like, you know, my journey is still

Julie Schanno:

relatively. I feel like I've been immersed for

Julie Schanno:

what, 15 years, but at the same time, like, so

Julie Schanno:

many people have been doing it so much longer

Julie Schanno:

than that. And I can even see within my time

Julie Schanno:

frame of, of like going deeper is that huge

Julie Schanno:

shifts have happened. And so it is really

Julie Schanno:

exciting that telepathy tapes. Is that important?

Julie Schanno:

Because that speaks to like people know that

Julie Schanno:

there's more. Yeah, there's more. And I think we

Julie Schanno:

all know that. And we've all touched it. We've

Julie Schanno:

all touched the infinite. And it's. And it's, you

Julie Schanno:

know, at different points in our lives. But for

Julie Schanno:

that to be like, you know, for us to be really

Julie Schanno:

deeply human and also connected to the vastness

Julie Schanno:

of these different ways of communicating, I think

Julie Schanno:

it's fantastic. And it speaks to what is

Julie Schanno:

happening, happening collectively and super

Julie Schanno:

exciting.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, no, it is. It is a wild, wild time. Like

Meredith Oke:

whatever I do, like get into that overwhelm

Meredith Oke:

state. I'm like, listen, listen. Meredith, babe,

Meredith Oke:

you picked this. I don't know what to say. You

Meredith Oke:

were like, yep, I'm gonna incarnate for this.

Meredith Oke:

Okay. Yeah, let's go.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah. And then there's almost like meeting that

Julie Schanno:

part too where I've been like, oh, that's a lot.

Julie Schanno:

I don't know if you know, like kind of meeting

Julie Schanno:

that part of you that your awareness of like, oh,

Julie Schanno:

this is why I came. And then just sort of. Yeah,

Julie Schanno:

that's easier said than done, you know?

Meredith Oke:

Yes, right.

Julie Schanno:

It is happening.

Meredith Oke:

It's like, like when your child wants to do

Meredith Oke:

something that like. Yeah, it's gonna be amazing.

Meredith Oke:

I wanted. You're like, are you sure? As the adult

Meredith Oke:

you can see how it's going to play out. I feel

Meredith Oke:

like we did that a little bit. Yeah, yeah. No,

Meredith Oke:

it's going to be really good. We'll come down for

Meredith Oke:

like the greatest shift in consciousness in the

Meredith Oke:

history of civilization. It'll be fun. Okay.

Julie Schanno:

I forgot everything.

Meredith Oke:

I don't know which way is up exactly, so. Good.

Meredith Oke:

So, Julie, share a little bit about your

Meredith Oke:

practice, what you offer and how.

Julie Schanno:

People can find you or work with you. Yeah, I am

Julie Schanno:

offering. I have a website that I'll attach here

Julie Schanno:

and I thought it would also be good to just

Julie Schanno:

attach some information about different types of

Julie Schanno:

bottom up work that might support people on their

Julie Schanno:

path.

Meredith Oke:

Beautiful. Yeah.

Julie Schanno:

I have a couple of things I'm working on right

Julie Schanno:

now. One is foundations of health and it's really

Julie Schanno:

speak into this trinity and like even just from a

Julie Schanno:

health perspective of like how we support

Julie Schanno:

ourselves to move more into our regenerative

Julie Schanno:

capacity biologically. And I'm making that CEU

Julie Schanno:

course.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, great.

Julie Schanno:

For providers. Yeah. Fantastic.

Meredith Oke:

So anyone who's taken the board exam or is

Meredith Oke:

thinking about it. This will be your. This will

Meredith Oke:

count.

Julie Schanno:

Yeah. The second thing I'm working on is, yeah,

Julie Schanno:

no problem is Foundations of Embodiment. And this

Julie Schanno:

is where. And I could kind of feel my excitement

Julie Schanno:

like even as it was like, oh, I want to go to

Julie Schanno:

that one because it's really breaking down this

Julie Schanno:

connection between like how our biology is

Julie Schanno:

processing consciousness, what that interface is,

Julie Schanno:

our mitochondria as sensors of the environment,

Julie Schanno:

environment, the fluid system as the holder of

Julie Schanno:

consciousness, and practical ways to work with

Julie Schanno:

that in deeper containers where there's the

Julie Schanno:

actual opportunity to do bottom up work and then

Julie Schanno:

to metabolize that like emotionally, to

Julie Schanno:

metabolize that relationally. You know, how do we

Julie Schanno:

live this and walk this? How does it become a

Julie Schanno:

lived experience versus a temporary experience of

Julie Schanno:

an expanded state? And that's where I feel most

Julie Schanno:

passionate is how do we get there? And yes.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. Oh, that sounds so good, Julie.

Julie Schanno:

I was like, just curious if anything came forward

Julie Schanno:

because that, that's to me the place I'm most

Julie Schanno:

excited because I see a lot of people have done a

Julie Schanno:

lot of spiritual work and like myself, hit. Hit

Julie Schanno:

that kind of wall in the health level that

Julie Schanno:

requires the deepening into the subconscious and

Julie Schanno:

the unconscious and like ways to work with that

Julie Schanno:

and then ways to metabolize it too. Because

Julie Schanno:

frequency or consciousness, the way I experience

Julie Schanno:

these energies move through the system is they

Julie Schanno:

have to be anchored biologically, but they also

Julie Schanno:

have to be processed emotionally. They are going

Julie Schanno:

to adjust our identity structures and expand

Julie Schanno:

them, which is uncomfortable at times. And they

Julie Schanno:

are going to be lived relationally and in

Julie Schanno:

relationship with the land. And so just really

Julie Schanno:

having a place for all of those parts to be. To

Julie Schanno:

be held.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Oh, that sounds so good. Yeah, I love it. So

Meredith Oke:

if people go to your website, is it julie

Meredith Oke:

shannon.com it's nature. Sorry.

Julie Schanno:

Live True Nature.

Meredith Oke:

Live True Nature. Co. And make sure you somehow

Meredith Oke:

leave your email address with Julie to stay

Meredith Oke:

updated on, on all of these delicious,

Meredith Oke:

delightful, much needed programs. So excited.

Meredith Oke:

Anything, Any last. Any last words you'd like to

Meredith Oke:

share, Julie?

Julie Schanno:

Oh, gosh. Well, I really appreciate this

Julie Schanno:

opportunity and yeah, I just love, I love

Julie Schanno:

experiencing everyone that's come on this podcast

Julie Schanno:

so much. And I love that there's so many people

Julie Schanno:

that are bridging right now. It's super

Julie Schanno:

encouraging. And yeah, may all of us remember the

Julie Schanno:

truth of who we are. Mmhmm. All right, thank you.

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