Episode 115

115: Carrie Bennett - The Quantum Biologic View of Cancer

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"A fever is a good thing because a fever is missing infrared," says Carrie Bennett, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to unveil the hidden power of light in our cellular health. Bennett explains how our bodies are not just biochemical machines, but intricate systems of structured water and mitochondrial function, deeply influenced by our light environment. She reveals why getting sick might actually be an opportunity for healing and how modern living has systematically divorced us from the natural rhythms essential for optimal health.

In this eye-opening discussion, Carrie delves into the fascinating world of exclusion zone water, melatonin production, and the critical role of infrared light in maintaining cellular charge. She challenges conventional wisdom about toxins, explaining why even small exposures to substances like glyphosate and fluoride can have profound effects on our health when combined with other environmental factors. 

Tune in to today's episode to discover how simple changes in your light exposure could revolutionize your health, why cancer cells might be suffering from a lack of charge, and how embracing natural light cycles could be the key to unlocking your body's innate healing potential.

Key Takeaways

1. Prioritize light exposure: Get morning sunlight and limit artificial light at night to support healthy mitochondrial function and melatonin production. This helps maintain proper cellular charge and exclusion zone water.

2. Incorporate infrared exposure: Use saunas or red light therapy to build exclusion zone water, support mitochondrial health, and boost cellular energy production. This can enhance overall resilience and healing.

3. Optimize sleep environment: Create a completely dark sleeping space using blackout curtains and avoid blue light before bed to maximize nighttime melatonin production and cellular repair processes.

4. Reduce EMF exposure: Keep wireless devices away from your body, consider hardwiring your workstation, and position your bed away from WiFi routers to minimize mitochondrial stress from non-native electromagnetic fields.

5. View illness differently: Recognize that symptoms like fever and mucus production can be beneficial, allowing the body to clear toxins and reestablish healthy cellular function. Support rather than suppress these processes when possible.

Memorable Quotes

"When you get a fever or when you develop mucus, it's an opportunity for your body to get stuff out that doesn't serve it. It is an opportunity. The question becomes, how can we help the body resolve that beneficial inflammatory cascade?"
"Our cells have this innate intelligence. If something's invading the cells and causing dysfunction, the body says this is not going to serve me long term. There's things we can do to push stuff out of the cell. Through our lens, we talk about building exclusion zone water."
"The foundation is light. When the light environment's in place, the mitochondria are healthier. When the mitochondria are healthier, the charge inside the cell is healthier. When that's healthier, the cell has the energy it needs to run all its processes."

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

All right, Carrie Bennett, welcome back to the

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QVC podcast. You are one of our top regulars. I

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was saying to Jason, I'm like, I feel like

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there's, like, six people I could just have on

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over and over, and that would be the podcast

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forever. Just like, where are you at with pigs

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now? What's going on here?

Carrie Bennett:

There's so many amazing people in this world who

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have stuff to share.

Meredith Oke:

It's true. It's true. And. And people sharing

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their stories. I just, you know, I. I'm always so

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moved by people who just refused to, you know,

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accept where they're at and keep looking and

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pushing to find new things. So for all the people

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listening who are doing that, bless you. Welcome.

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We're going to cover lots of fun stuff today with

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Carrie. Okay, so I want to start off, as I often

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do, just going back to the basics. I'm going to

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send this episode out to a lot of people that I

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have encountered lately who are feeling super

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crap because it's flu season and it seems to have

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just, like, taken over the world. Everyone I talk

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to all over the place is sick or trying to get

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over being sick or taking care of someone who's

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sick. So let's just start with the foundational

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health principles as we see them in our context,

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obviously, in addition to whatever people

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understand already about the importance of eating

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healthy food and drinking quality water. But

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let's just go over our special sauce here.

Carrie Bennett:

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, first and foremost, I

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also like to reframe the concept of being sick,

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because it's actually an opportunity. When you

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get a fever or when you develop mucus, it's an

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opportunity for your body to get stuff out that

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doesn't serve it, which may include an exposure

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of some kind. Yes, that may have prompted the

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illness in the first place, but it is an

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opportunity. And then the question becomes, how

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can we help the body resolve that beneficial

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inflammatory cascade that is supporting our body

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and getting rid of stuff through that lens? We

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look at light first and how light affects

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mitochondria, because that really, truly is an

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important and still overlooked. Or maybe not

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even. I mean, maybe the awareness isn't even

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there yet in the collective conscious in terms of

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how beneficial it can be to support our light

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environment.

Meredith Oke:

Right. Okay. That's really interesting. It's

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funny. I was. So we, after experimenting with

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places locally, decided a couple years ago to

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invest in an infrared sauna, which we have our

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little tent, our little sauna space, tent in the

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garage. And so I. I usually put on a podcast and

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leave it Outside of the tent and listen and sit

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in there. And I was. This is a little out there

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for some people, but I was listening to this

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woman who is a. I don't know, I guess a psychic.

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I don't know. But she was talking about how she

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sees things energetically. So I'm sitting in the

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sauna, like let it just like having all this, all

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this mucus build up, you know, feeling the light

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really helping with that. And this woman is like

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talking about trauma and she's like, I don't know

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why, but when I energetically, what spirit shows

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to me that trauma looks like. It's like this very

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mucusy kind of energy, like kind of viscous

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energy. So you know, on an, on an esoteric level,

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what you were just saying about like sometimes

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our body needs to purge and go through these

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things. It's not necessarily bad. So there's a

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physical aspect to that. But I want. There's

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probably also some woo woo aspects.

Carrie Bennett:

Oh sure, I agree. I can totally get on board with

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that 100%. You know, I mean we, I think we

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touched the tip of the iceberg, but we only talk

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about the physical body. But I know that that's a

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really interesting place for people. Started with

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when it comes to how to support health. And so

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let's dive into that mucus.

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Right?

Carrie Bennett:

Or let's dive into that. Why am. Why is my body

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trying to get stuff out or why do I even get a

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fever? Well, our cells in order when they. When

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there's something invading the cells, right. And

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causing the cells to become dysfunctional. The

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body is beautifully intelligent and the body says

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this is not going to serve me if this stuff stays

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here long term. And so there's things that we can

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do to essentially push stuff out of the cell. And

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through our lens. We talk about the building of

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exclusion zones, water. And that's very lacking

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these days, Meredith. You know, because of the

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fact that we are not connected or frequently at

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least the average, we, the average human being on

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the planet who lives indoors the majority of the

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day, we're not connected to the wavelength range

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of light. Light that supports this exclusion

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zone. Water inside of the cell. And so Dr.

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Pollock's work. And for those of you who are not

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familiar, Dr. Pollock, fourth phase of water, he

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found that the water inside of our cells is

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different. And we need this different phase of

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water. It's not a liquid. It's actually a gelled

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phase of water. And when it's in that gelled

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phase and when it's adequate, like when we have

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an adequate amount of it inside of the cell, then

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that gel actually prevents, provides a base

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barrier. It basically makes the membrane

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selectively permeable. The cell can say, oh, I

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know when a mineral or a nutrient is coming in

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and I can let that in and go through a little

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phase transition of water. The water temporarily

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becomes more liquidy and says, come on in, and

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then goes right back to being that gelled water.

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But if we're in nowadays, we're in these

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environments where we're likely going to be

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deficient in this gelled water in the first place

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and have more of that liquid fluidy water in the

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research called bulk water. And when we do, we

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actually make ourselves more opportunistic for

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toxicity to get in and to cause these symptoms

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that we're experiencing when we get the cold, the

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flu, and when the body then says, okay, this

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isn't serving me, so what do I do? Well, it's

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trying to reestablish that gelled water again.

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And so likely in the vast majority of people,

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you'll oftentimes experience a fever. That's a

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good sign. A fever is a good thing because a

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fever is missing infrared. So as opposed to being

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able to get that infrared from sunlight or even

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from campfire like we would be getting, let's say

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in the winter months, more so our body is

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generating its own internal infrared as a means

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of that reestablishing that gelled water. So it's

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transforming that liquidy water and it's pushing

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the liquid water out and reestablishing the

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gelled barrier. And as the liquid water pushes

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out, it pushes out the toxins. And those toxins

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then can get into the lymphatic system that lives

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around the exterior of the cells and the immune

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system that lives around the exterior of the

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cells to then be cleared by the body through the

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various channels of elimination. And this is a

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beneficial thing. So sometimes we just need a

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little extra support to get that elimination

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process. Maybe we need some added infrared. One

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of the main ways that I've said this, I've done

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this with mastitis. A lot of times I could feel

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mastitis coming on. And for me at least it comes

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on like A, like 0 to 60. And the first thing that

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my body wants is heat. So I get in the hottest

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shower I possibly can and just let that hot water

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pour over my breast and I can literally feel my

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body soaking in that infrared. And I've avoided

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mastitis now full blown mastitis every single

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time since I first originally got it and didn't

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know what the heck it was. And so I know we can

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use infrared as a means of supporting the body's

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ability to get stuff out, because we can

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reestablish that exclusion zone water. And not

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only are we building that gelled water that is

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now this beautiful barrier, that gelled water is

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synonymous with a healthy cellular charge. Dr.

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Pollack showed that that cellular water has a

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negative charge, but that as we build exclusion

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zone water inside of the cell, we're also

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building it in our vessels, our blood vessels and

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our lymphatic vessels. And Dr. Pollock's work

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also showed that we need that charged water to

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line our vessels to help support the fluid flow

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through the lymphatic system and the circulatory

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system. This is just the body kind of

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understanding. We have this innate intelligence.

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So if something's in the body that's invading the

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cells, and we need to get it out. Thank you for

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this fever body, because now you've not only

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purged the toxins from the cells, but you've also

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helped to reestablish flow to get this fully out

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of the body, either through the lymphatic system,

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filtering through the liver and the circulatory

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system.

Meredith Oke:

That is such a much more empowering way to look

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at getting sick, because we really do. And I

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still feel like this. Feel like I've done

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something wrong, like I've failed in some way and

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all. There's people being like, I'm so healthy,

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I'd never get sick. And you're like, o I should

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be like that. But actually, what you're saying is

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getting the flu, getting a cold, spiking a fever,

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this is a healthy body resetting itself.

Carrie Bennett:

Absolutely. And we're designed to have this

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happen in the winter months independent of

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pathogen exposure. They show seasonally in the

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winter that our immune cells are more likely to

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produce inflammatory molecules. As a means, when

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inflammation is produced, things that are not

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things that we don't want in our body anymore can

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get cleared. We could either inactivate a

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pathogen, or again, we can dump a bunch of nitric

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oxide on something. And when we make nitric

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oxide, water is also made to help re establish

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that gelled water. So I have completely reframed

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my take on illness, and it's like, wait, this is

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an opportunity for my body to get stuff out. Now,

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if it lingers for an extended period of time,

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that's where it's like, I don't want to suppress

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the symptoms, but what can I do to ultimately

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support the full resolution of whatever this

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process is that's going on in my body. And that's

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where the key strategies that we talk about when

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it comes to adequate sleep. But not only adequate

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sleep, but building appropriate melatonin before

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we fall asleep and when we're asleep can be a

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full resolution for this. And so that's where

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layering on strategies involving light at night

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and blocking the artificial light at night can

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play a big role here too.

Meredith Oke:

Right. Okay. So these illnesses themselves are

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part of a healthy body keeping itself in balance

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and then diving down a little bit deeper. The way

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that it's keeping our body healthy is by getting

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rid of that kind of more liquidy water and

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building back up what you're calling exclusion

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zone water, which is the, the liquid crystal that

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we're, we're made of, that if it's, we have in,

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in an adequate levels will keep us vital, hold

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the charge, keep us feeling energized, and do all

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the things that our body is supposed to be able

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to do in terms of creating hormones and making

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everything work.

Carrie Bennett:

Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly it. Yep.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so. Okay, so then let's talk a little bit

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more about this, you know, tending to our liquid

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crystal. So you were talking about the importance

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of, of our light exposure and our light routines

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and how they affect this special water that is

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inside almost all of our cells.

Carrie Bennett:

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so what I, a lot of

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people think, oh, there's water inside of my

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cell, then I have to, must have to drink a

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certain water to maintain it. And I've not found

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that to be the case. I have found that drinking

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water, good quality water, is important,

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important. But this gelled water inside of the

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cell is maintained through water production in

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the mitochondria, the forgotten byproduct of

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mitochondrial metabolism. Right. We know that ATP

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is made, but very few people recognize that how

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important water is. Mitochondria are responsible

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for both producing and recycling the water inside

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of our cells in order to maintain a healthy,

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healthy intracellular hydration. And these days

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there's a lot of beautiful research that's being

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done. I'm so grateful for the researchers who are

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diving into this because they're showing that

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certain wavelengths of light help the

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mitochondria make that water, and certain

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wavelengths of light inhibit the mitochondria

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from making that water. So people are following

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along here. If we inhibit that water production,

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we essentially are going to be lacking in this

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charged gelled water inside the cell and instead

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allow just this kind of bulk water to take over.

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And this lack of cellular charge, which is Just

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synonymous with the lack of cellular vitality to

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take hold as well. And it turns out that. Can I.

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Are you cool with it if I keep going?

Meredith Oke:

Okay, yeah, just, I just, just to clarify. So

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when that the more liquidy water that we tend to

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think of, when we think of water doesn't hold a

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charge in the same way that, that this viscous

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liquid crystal water does.

Carrie Bennett:

Correct.

Meredith Oke:

So when that other liquidy water takes over, we

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feel the end result is we feel depleted, we feel

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low energy.

Carrie Bennett:

Right. And whether it's. Whether we physically

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feel it or it's just taking place deep inside our

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cellular terrain of a certain organ part of our

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body that can, that can be true as well.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Carrie Bennett:

And so that, that water that we would call the

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liquidy water inside of us is also called bulk

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water. And it's neutral. It doesn't, it doesn't

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hold a charge in the same. And then this

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negatively charged exclusion zone water is the

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source of healthy intracellular voltage. Healthy

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cells need approximately negative 30 to negative

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50 up to negative 100 millivolts inside of the

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cell. So that's just a cell that has a lot of

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negative charge, which is again with vitality.

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And when we don't have that, the drains of that

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charge, it has to start to shut down a little

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bit. It can't run all of its tasks. And when it

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can't run all of its tasks, it has. It'll pick

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and choose. But unfortunately over time, if we

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can't run about all of our tasks over, over time,

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it's like me like cleaning that if I'd like to

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clean the house in all these different ways.

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Right. But if over time I have to continuously

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neglect the toilet toilets, you could imagine

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what happens to the toilets. It's the same thing

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inside of our cells. Our mitochondria are

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responsible for making that water. That water is

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our energy inside of the cell. And if the cell

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doesn't have adequate energy, ultimately over

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time certain tasks are just going to get

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overlooked or they're just not going to get run.

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And that will ultimately lead to cellular

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dysfunction which we would express as a certain

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system symptom depending on the organ system

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that's affected.

Meredith Oke:

Okay. And that would explain why it would be

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different symptoms in different people. Right.

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Like correct your toilets gets, gets ignored. But

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in my house, like I'm hyper focused on the

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toilets, but we never clean the kitchen. And so

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we're going to have a different. So I might show

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up with chronic fatigue and someone else might

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show up with diabetes.

Carrie Bennett:

Absolutely. And some of this has to do with, for

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example, we know that heavy metals or certain

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toxins might have an affinity for certain cells

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or certain organs compared to others. Aluminum in

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the brain, for example. Right. So if I had maybe

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over time a certain aluminum exposure that's

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going to negatively impact the mitochondria

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specifically in my brain. And so that's why that

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might predispose me to feeling brain based

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symptoms. But the process is the same in terms of

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what's happening in the mitochondria. The toxic

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associates might be different.

Meredith Oke:

Okay. And so that's why the strategies that we're

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now going to talk about are universal and

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applicable to all of these symptoms. Because

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we're going right to the level of the

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mitochondria which are responsible for taking

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care of everything and making all this exclusion

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zone water that our body needs to function

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properly.

Carrie Bennett:

And not only that, but when the mitochondria are

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functioning well, like when they're very

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efficient in their metabolic function of making

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water natp, they're producing biophotons as well

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as they do. That's healthy. Those biophotons get

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sucked up by the DNA to help optimize gene

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expression. So what proteins should be made, you

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know, what should we be doing and prioritize,

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prioritizing inside the cell. And also those

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biophotons also go to the cell membrane and

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outside of the cell to communicate to the immune

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system that surrounds the cell. So all is

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copacetic. Right. No need to get overly

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aggressive with your inflammatory, you know,

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cascades or anything like, like that. We're doing

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okay. And so when the mitochondria start to

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become dysfunctional, yes, the cellular charge

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drains, but so does the communication with the

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DNA. So that's. And so does the communication

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with the immune system. So immune system is like

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what's going on in here? Is there, is there

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something, is there not? So that can look like

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different pathologies, including all the way to a

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pathology like cancer.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And that similarly to what we were just

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saying is why it shows up differently for

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different people. That's the genetic component.

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If I'm predisposed genetically to something and

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my mitochondria are not functioning and able to

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communicate, I'm going to flip the switch on that

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cancer gene. Potentially.

Carrie Bennett:

Sure. Yes and no. I mean it doesn't have to be a

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cancer gene that gets flipped on. And actually

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that's a misnomer that the gym.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, tell us.

Carrie Bennett:

Okay, so let's first, let's first, I want to

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first talk about this, this anomaly that I don't

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think People are very well aware of. And that's

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when you, when a tumor is dissected and you know,

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a pathologist is looking at the different cells,

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let's say this tumor was from the breast. It's

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not just going to have breast cells, it's going

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to have cells that all of a sudden this looks

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more like a liver cell, this looks more like a

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hair follicle cell cell, this looks more like a

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kidney cell. And all of those are. So it's

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essentially this tumor is made up of just a bunch

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of seemingly random cells that is a result of

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lack of poor communication to the DNA. And so the

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genes don't happen first, the gene changes don't

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happen first. Something is triggering the genetic

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changes to allow these cells to come together and

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grow into this tumor. And that in my opinion, and

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what I'm really liking about the research going

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into cancer as of late is there's less emphasis

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on the genome, there's more emphasis on what are

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called the electrical properties of the cancer

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cell. And then Dr. Pollack, just this past

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August, he just put out this beautiful article

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about how cancer cells are, are definitely

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drained of this exclusion zone water. And so

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connecting those dots right there means that step

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one, something might create mitochondrial

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dysfunction, which we know is a hallmark of

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cancer. And we can go into all these steps. I

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just want to lay the overview. When, when

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mitochondria are dysfunctional, the cancer cells

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no longer allow the mitochondria to make energy.

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So instead they do a secondary, like, almost

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survival energy pathway in the cytosol, the

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gelled water. It's called a Warburg metabolism.

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They form glucose in it, which is a little bit of

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ATP and they produce a very, you know, lactate

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rich environment. Can you imagine now that if you

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have a cell that's full of acid, like this

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lactate rich cell, that cell is going to continue

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to drain of charge. So you're not replenishing

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the water through the mitochondria and you're

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depleting the charge through a typical cancer

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metabolism called a Warburg metabolism. If the

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mitochondria are not in charge either, they're

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not making biophotonic communication to the DNA.

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So this cell has lost its identity. This is a

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cell that says, am I a breast cell, Am I a liver

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cell, Am I an eye cell? And so it starts to de.

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Differentiate, which is another hallmark feature

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of cancer cells. They lose that identity. Now the

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immune system, cancer cells have a very

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interesting capability to coat the tumor and

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themselves with something that's called sialic

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acid. Which is a common feature in the

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extracellular environment, but just not. But it's

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just way more aggressive in cancer cells. So now

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we're not communicating. The photonic

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communication is not happening with the immune

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system. So the immune system thinks everything's

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okay. And meanwhile, the mitochondria, who, if

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the ship is sinking, if this cell is going under,

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the mitochondria are responsible for initiating a

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programmed cell death called apoptosis. And

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again, they can't do it. And so it sets this

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stage for this environment where now the cells

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can divide uncontrollably. And the last step in

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that is that naturally, when natural cell

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division takes place, which is happening all the

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time in our body, the cell will naturally flip

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from this gelled, negatively charged water to

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neutral liquid water. Because things have to

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move. Right. That gelled water doesn't allow as

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much free movement, but when it quickly flips to

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a liquid state, temporarily, it allows for these

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spindles to form, for the cell to kind of pull

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its components into two different parts, and for

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those then two cells to divide. And then the

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gelled water's supposed to be reestablished. And

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that doesn't happen because the cell gets the

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signal to divide uncontrolled.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, okay. So the immune system has been walled

Meredith Oke:

off and is not helping.

Carrie Bennett:

Correct. And the mitochondria can't signal to

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them, they can't initiate apoptosis.

Meredith Oke:

And so the mitochondria can't kill off the cells

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that they should be because they can't

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communicate with the immune system. So they do

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their little flippening from the liquid crystal

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structured, easy water to the bulk water, which

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is supposed to be temporary in the healthy

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process. And then it gets stuck there. Correct.

Meredith Oke:

It stays in that. So we lose all the benefits of

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the liquid crystal structured water. Correct. At

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the same time enabling the cancer cells to

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replicate. So we lose the healthy, beneficial

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things, Parts of the mitochondria While creating

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an environment for the bad stuff to flourish.

Carrie Bennett:

Correct.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, my God. Sorry. I don't mean to take the

Meredith Oke:

lord's name in vain. Oh, my goodness. Okay. I

Meredith Oke:

haven't, like, heard it laid out quite that

Meredith Oke:

clearly. Thank you. Just gonna process how. What

Meredith Oke:

we're doing to ourselves in this world. Okay.

Carrie Bennett:

The aha moment for me was listening to Jerry lay

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this out so I could tell he was working on a

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paper about this when I met him in. Back in April

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at Tracy's hydrate summit. And he laid out that

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even in that, like, cells number one are supposed

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to undergo this. This transition temporarily from

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negatively charged gelled water to bulk water

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during mitosis or cell division. But when cells

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get drained of it and they can't re establish

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that charge, it's not always malignant tumors,

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even benign tumors can form in terms of this. So

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it's just the off switch isn't there? And if I

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take this then a step further, I think to myself,

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okay, so cancer cells undergo classically are

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undergoing what's called a Warburg metabolism,

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meaning they're. Anyone who's ever unfortunately

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had to go through this, you oftentimes get what's

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called a PET scan, where you have this, what's

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called radio labeled or like flu fluorescent

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glucose. And they basically image the body to see

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where is this glucose being hoarded. And so the

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glucose gets hoarded into these cancerous cells

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because those cancerous cells are taking the

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glucose and instead of making 32 ATP like would

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happen if the glucose was going through the

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natural metabolism through the mitochondria

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instead, each glucose is only making to ATP. So

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they have to hoard it. Hoard it, hoard it. That

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ATP is used in some capacity in the cell to

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support this cancerous environment because they

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only want to make two, but they want to make this

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lactic acid, right, which helps them evade the

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immune system, you know, keep the cell kind of in

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this dysfunctional state. But the reason why we

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need ATP in the first place in a healthy cell is

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that when we have healthy amounts of ATP, that

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ATP helps to pull potassium into the cell to help

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keep it negatively charged. So again, another

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hallmark of cancer cells is they don't have

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enough intracellular potassium. And they thought

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that what the research has been saying is, but

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wait, these, technically we test potassium status

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in these people and we don't see a lack of

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potassium. It's not like a potassium deficiency.

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But what people don't realize is that potassium

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has almost like this magnetic pull to proteins

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that are in their correct configuration, which is

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an elongated state inside of the cell. And they

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can only get into that elongated state when ATP

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binds to them. When ATP binds to proteins inside

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of the cell, it pulls them into their healthy

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elongated state. And then the potassium goes, oh,

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there's a spot for me to bind. There's a spot for

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me to bind. And so it gets essentially it's

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called adsorbed. But I just like view it as like

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a magnetic suction gets suctioned into the cell

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naturally. So again, we don't have to invoke

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sodium potassium pumps here because that's not

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what's happening. There's a natural adsorption of

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potassium into the cell in order to stick to

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these proteins in their elongated state. But

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adequate ATP is required for that. And so again,

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now the. Now the cell can't. It has another

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whammy, if you will, in its ability to

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reestablish healthy charge, because part of the

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charge is the potassium inside of the cell,

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Helping to keep that gelled water in the correct

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amount.

Meredith Oke:

Okay. All right. So in addition to having

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communication with the immune system be shut

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down, and in addition to losing that easy water

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that is required for optimal functioning,

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flipping into the bulk water that's meant to be

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temporary, that is not optimal, that sets the

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stage for the cancer cells to flourish. Now,

Meredith Oke:

we're also seeing that those cancer cells are

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less efficient at making ATP, so they hoard

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glucose, but that downgrading of ATP production

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means they're not attracting the potassium. So

Meredith Oke:

they're also deficient. So the mitochondria is

Meredith Oke:

now also deficient in this much. In this needed.

Meredith Oke:

What do you call potassium nutrient or.

Carrie Bennett:

Yeah, I mean, it's a nutrient that's needed for

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the proteins to function in the body.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so now that's another layer of dysfunction.

Carrie Bennett:

Correct.

Meredith Oke:

When you lay it out like that, you see people

Meredith Oke:

suffering with cancer and how quickly and

Meredith Oke:

horrible it can be. Like there's just so many

Meredith Oke:

things going wrong.

Carrie Bennett:

Okay, there's so many things going wrong. And

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here's another interesting thing, because you'll

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see these studies that say, you know, 100% of

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this type of cancer is associated with parasite

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or fungal infection. And so what's fascinating is

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that. Yes, but did the parasite and fungal

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infection cause the cancer? Or do we now have

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pleomorphic opportunistic entities inside of the

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body that are helping to clear the damage

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surrounding the cancer? And that's what's

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happening. Right. These cells, they do try to

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secrete, treat stuff, they kick stuff out.

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There's. They have fragmented things. They're

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trying to get rid of these dysfunctional proteins

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inside of them. Right. And the fungal infection

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or the parasites are there to help to clear that.

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But, but at some point that can also overwhelm

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the body. And so that's where you might see

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certain antifungals or anti parasitics that have

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been used in cancer treatments. A cancer

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treatment strategy. But I still highly encourage

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people. Yeah, you might need to give the body a

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bit of a clearance of these opportunistic

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pathogens, but they're not the bad guys. And

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they're not ultimately necessarily going to

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resolve, completely resolve the situation. We

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have to understand how to build back this

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Exclusion zone water and make these mitochondria

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functional again.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so it sounds like in terms of both cancer

Meredith Oke:

prevention and treatment, our goal, not giving.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, sorry. Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't use

Meredith Oke:

that word. And you know, whether you want to

Meredith Oke:

prevent cancer or whether you want to optimize

Meredith Oke:

yourself, no matter what state you're in, we

Meredith Oke:

really want to focus on tending to this water.

Meredith Oke:

Correct. This liquid, liquid crystal exclusion

Meredith Oke:

zone structured water. It has some. Lots of names.

Carrie Bennett:

Correct.

Meredith Oke:

And just people do hear, excuse me, different

Meredith Oke:

terms being thrown around. We're all. We're

Meredith Oke:

talking about the same type of water. Okay.

Carrie Bennett:

Yes. And so but this is why, right. Like, again,

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it's like, okay, is there any instances where

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things that rebuild this exclusion zone water,

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which one of the main things is infrared

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exposure? Are there any instances where infrared

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exposure has been used to. Historically to affect

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cancer. Cancer cells? Yes. Right. There is a

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therapy that I don't believe it's approved of in

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the United States, but there's something called

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mistletoe therapy where, you know, mistletoe

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essentially gets typically injected into the body

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and it can stimulate a very high fever in people.

Meredith Oke:

Like mistletoe, like the plant.

Carrie Bennett:

Like the plant.

Meredith Oke:

Like kiss under it at Christmas. Okay, correct.

Carrie Bennett:

And I mean, that's also not just with mistletoe,

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but when you look at the case studies of

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spontaneous remission, a lot of times you will

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see a spontaneous remission take place

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immediately following a period of high fever. And

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so it's like, you know, it becomes like, you

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know, it's easy if you only. It's easy to be

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like, oh, well, yep, the immune system was just

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doing its thing until you're like, oh, but wait,

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fever's infrared. And is it possible that the

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body really needed an adequate amount of infrared

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exposure to be able to clear. Clear whatever in

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the cell and to re establish healthy gelled

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water? I think that's the case. You also now see

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this targeted treatment, again, not medical

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advice at all. But I want people to know that

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what the options and what's out there. I think, I

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think knowledge is important. I think informed

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consent is very important. And so there is

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something called targeted hyperthermia, which is

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where they will target general just the tumor.

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Like they, like they figured out with targeted

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radiation. But they'll target just the tumor with

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high, high heat again, that, that inactivates,

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basically it halts the cancer cells from grow

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proliferating anymore because you've given the

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signal to stop dividing. They're not going to.

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They're not saying that in the Literature. And so

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this is. This is just me kind of like working

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through this, but you start to see these common.

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I don't know, I just feel like reading the cancer

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literature starts to make so much more sense when

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you look at it from this viewpoint.

Meredith Oke:

Right, so the mistletoe therapy, is that being

Meredith Oke:

done like in. In Europe or.

Carrie Bennett:

It was being done in Europe last time.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Carrie Bennett:

Into it. Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Carrie Bennett:

I believe in South America as well. Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

All right, so there are some sort of like cancer

Meredith Oke:

treatments available probably outside of the

Meredith Oke:

mainstream medical establishment of most

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countries that most of us live in. But it is

Meredith Oke:

available and it has been developed in order to

Meredith Oke:

bring infrared into the system and to help with

Meredith Oke:

cancer as a very specific treatment.

Carrie Bennett:

And I don't know if it was designed to bring

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infrared into the system, but just the

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observation was, oh, look, when there's this

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amount and intensity of infrared, whether it's

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self generated through the immune system,

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producing a fever, or whether it's exogenously

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applied, oh, look what happens. It's beneficial

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to the person.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Carrie Bennett:

It ultimately helps them with, you know,

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survival, remission, whatever data points they're

Carrie Bennett:

looking at.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so I want to bring up a case study with. Of

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a woman who I interviewed called Diana Wanna. And

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she had cancer. She was in hospice, basically.

Meredith Oke:

Again, I'm not recommending people do this.

Meredith Oke:

Please go listen to the interview with Deanna.

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She's a highly, highly trained scientist and was

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making her choices based on years and years of

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research and experience. I am just sharing what

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she chose to do and what the effect was. And

Meredith Oke:

maybe you can help break, break down a little bit

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what happened. So she had basically been told

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that she was dead. And she, as a last ditch

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effort, flew to Mexico and went on the beach

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every day in the morning and then spent the

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whole. And then spent most of the day soaking in

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a cenote, like an underground cave. Underground

Meredith Oke:

cave, water. Then going on the beach again in the

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evening and then sleeping and. Well, she's still

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here. So within a week she had recovered some

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strength and was sort of on. Was sort of on the

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road to recovery again. I'm just. This is a story

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that was shared with me. Please, it's not advice.

Meredith Oke:

This is just what happened with Deanna. So could

Meredith Oke:

you explain how those choices, through the lens

Meredith Oke:

of what you've just explained to us, how those

Meredith Oke:

choices could have affected her outcome?

Carrie Bennett:

Yeah, absolutely. Number one, that light on. Let

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me just put it this way. Being connected to

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earth, whether it's through bare feet on the sand

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or in water, has been shown to build Exclusions

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on water. So build this gelled water so has

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exposure to things like the Schumann resonance,

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which, you know, obviously she would have gotten

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a very good exposure if she was there

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continuously. And people are like, but the

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Schumann resonance is always there. Yes, but our

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modern indoor living makes it harder for us to

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sense that signal because we've got all of this.

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Number two, there's a huge circadian component to

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this that we haven't talked about yet, because

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there is a really strong correlation between

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circadian rhythm disruption and cancer. And so

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what she was doing was the, you know, what I

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would say the quintessential day for resetting

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your circadian rhythm, which is get that morning

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light to tell your brain the morning has started.

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You optimize hormone balance there. You optimize

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immune function. You optimize digestion. You do

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so many beautiful things there. And then being in

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a cenote, she's still outside getting that

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natural light signal. And then if she was again

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on the beach singing the song, she was really

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hoping to signal that the day has ended. So her

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body was making more melatonin, potentially way

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more melatonin, than she'd ever made because of

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our modern living, how it depletes us of

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nighttime melatonin. And then, you know, that

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recovery period at night with that melatonin.

Carrie Bennett:

Melatonin is not something we've touched on here,

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but it's key in this as well, which is because,

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number one, melatonin helps the mitochondria to

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run apoptosis, but also, which should help to,

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you know, oh, now I can recognize that this cell

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is dividing uncontrollably, and I can try to do

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something about it, but that's the melatonin

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that's secreted by the pineal gland at night, and

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that's only 5% of our body's melatonin. 95% of

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melatonin we make is throughout the day in

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response to infrared, specifically near infrared

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light. And by being outside like that, she was

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always surrounding herself with near infrared

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light. And so this is where that near infrared

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light produces melatonin inside of the cell to

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help clear damage inside of the cell, to help

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restore mitochondria to their healthy

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functioning, to help wipe out whatever has been

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ravaged the cell from the cancerous metabolism.

Carrie Bennett:

And so what? One of the preeminent researchers in

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the world, actually, I'm gonna say two now,

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because I love Scott Zimmerman, too. But Scott

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Zimmerman and Russell Ryder, who are both really

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now diving into the melatonin aspect of being

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generated through near infrared light, they

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showed through both a study like that, but also a

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nighttime darkness exposure that if you have

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adequate melatonin inside the cell, you can shut

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down the Warburg metabolism, you, you can help

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the mitochondria regain control of the

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metabolism. They can start to make that water

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again. Adequate ATP, pull the potassium back into

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the cell. That water can become that healthy

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negative charge as well. And so melatonin is a

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huge component here. And yes, we think, well, let

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me take it, but it's way better for the body to

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make it, because when we make it, we make it

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inside side of the cells in response to infrared

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light, specifically near infrared light. When we

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take it, it has to go into the bloodstream first.

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It has to get into the cell. And so I highly,

Carrie Bennett:

highly encourage people to kind of look at this

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aspect of near infrared light exposure,

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maximizing melatonin production. And that's also

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interesting because in the photobiomodulation

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research, the red light therapy research, in

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which near infrared light is a prominent

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wavelength range that they isolate in these red

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light therapy panels, originally, and again, not

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medical advice, but originally they were hesitant

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to say, let's use red light therapy maybe as a

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support for cancer because we don't want to help

Carrie Bennett:

these cancer cells get any more metabolically

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active. But what they're now showing is that, but

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wait a second, it looks as though we're actually

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helping the mitochondria recover the healthy

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metabolic function again. And tip of the iceberg

Carrie Bennett:

in terms of the research. Research. But I'm not

Carrie Bennett:

surprised by that in terms of the ability of the

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mitochondria to take that melatonin and heal the

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cell. And then not only is that subcellular

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melatonin healing the cell, but that near

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infrared light also, that is the wavelength range

Carrie Bennett:

of light that's needed for the mitochondria to

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make water more effectively and ATP more

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effectively again. So you're really providing the

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body with some major things that it needs in

Carrie Bennett:

order to try to naturally hear, heal and get rid

Carrie Bennett:

of whatever was ultimately causing the, the

Carrie Bennett:

mitochondrial dysfunction in the first place.

Meredith Oke:

Wow. It's a, it's amazing how important, how,

Meredith Oke:

how, how important this light is. Yes. And all

Meredith Oke:

the things that it's doing. And so, so it's not

Meredith Oke:

just helping our bodies to create the exclusion

Meredith Oke:

zone, liquid crystal structured water that we

Meredith Oke:

need. It's also stimulating this other, this kind

Meredith Oke:

of melatonin that we make, not the nighttime

Meredith Oke:

melatonin, the other kind of melatonin. And that

Meredith Oke:

melatonin is healing the cancer. And it has, that

Meredith Oke:

melatonin is turning off that Warborg. Warburg,

Meredith Oke:

yeah.

Carrie Bennett:

Metabolism, doctor.

Meredith Oke:

Where they can't. Where it's stopping the ATP

Meredith Oke:

from being made properly and hoarding glucose,

Meredith Oke:

which shuts that off.

Carrie Bennett:

They call it like literally a crazy.

Meredith Oke:

Holy crap.

Carrie Bennett:

A quote from Dr. Reiter's published paper was. He

Carrie Bennett:

called it. He called it part time cancer. So they

Carrie Bennett:

showed that when you give adequate darkness

Carrie Bennett:

exposure at night, the cancer cells are no longer

Carrie Bennett:

in their Warburg metabolism. They can start to

Carrie Bennett:

recover healthy metabolic function at night. Now,

Carrie Bennett:

my thing would be, okay, likely the cells and

Carrie Bennett:

whatever was being studied, whether it was in

Carrie Bennett:

mice or in a petri dish in vitro, what if not

Carrie Bennett:

only did we give adequate darkness exposure at

Carrie Bennett:

night for melatonin production from the pineal

Carrie Bennett:

gland, but then we also bathed these animals, say

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in the appropriate near infrared exposure during

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the day. Would that make an additional difference

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in recovering cells from that Warburg metabolism,

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again allowing the cells to regain healthy

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mitochondrial function? What if then we also had

Carrie Bennett:

adequate mid. Far infrared, right. Which is the

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type of infrared we generate with. With fever. So

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basically the infrared we feel is heat, which

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would be getting from sunlight or campfire. What

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if, then we also gave those mice that exposure so

Carrie Bennett:

that they could have that gelled charged water

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recovered as well? What would that look like? I

Carrie Bennett:

mean, there's also anecdotal. I mean, there's an.

Carrie Bennett:

Anecdotally. Then there's a. There was a. An

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actor on a large podcast recently, recently who

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said he had four friends who had cancer and they

Carrie Bennett:

took a couple of different things. But

Carrie Bennett:

interestingly, methylene blue can fall into that

Carrie Bennett:

list because methylene blue, again, not medical

Carrie Bennett:

advice, but again, methylene blue specifically

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addresses the mitochondria. It gives them

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adequate electron donation and holds them in a

Carrie Bennett:

healthy configuration to again, be efficient in

Carrie Bennett:

terms of. It's like they can regain metabolic

Carrie Bennett:

function in that capacity. So, yeah, I mean,

Carrie Bennett:

it's. I just want this, my whole point of this,

Carrie Bennett:

again, it's not medical advice. I just want to

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empower people to think about this a little bit

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differently. Again, personal choice is personal

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choice. But enough people have found that they've

Carrie Bennett:

had a certain cancer gene and decided to do what

Carrie Bennett:

I would consider to be fairly drastic

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interventions out of fear to say, oh, I got the

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gene. And I'm thinking, is it the presence of the

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gene or is it these other dysfunctions, like you

Carrie Bennett:

said, that ultimately confuse the DNA so that

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that gene can express itself?

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Carrie Bennett:

And I think that's really more likely what it is.

Carrie Bennett:

I think that we need to recognize how empowered

Carrie Bennett:

we can be when it comes to this story. And this

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isn't just cancer. What we're talking about here,

Carrie Bennett:

Warburg metabolism happens in other pathologies.

Carrie Bennett:

It's been studied in Alzheimer's disease,

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disease, Parkinson's disease, I mean, autoimmune

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conditions. And so what we're talking about here

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is not just specific to cancer likely. This is at

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play in every single disease state that we know,

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just to differing degrees. And that drainage of

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cellular charge reaches a certain point where it

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becomes. Where it becomes actually positively

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charged. A cancerous cell is no longer negatively

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charged, it's positively charged. And so that's

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where we start to see the proliferation taking

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place, that growth taking place. But this is

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likely happening in every disease state that we

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now know of.

Meredith Oke:

Wow. So the good news of that is that the

Meredith Oke:

strategies to heal and optimize the mitochondria

Meredith Oke:

are also going to help with every disease. And so

Meredith Oke:

that is sleeping and completely complete

Meredith Oke:

darkness. Like, even. Because, yeah, there was

Meredith Oke:

that recent paper where they showed Alzheimer's

Meredith Oke:

was much higher prevalence in areas where there

Meredith Oke:

was a lot of outdoor artificial light at night,

Meredith Oke:

which is crazy. Okay, so sleeping in darkness and

Meredith Oke:

then being exposed to natural sunlight throughout

Meredith Oke:

the day.

Carrie Bennett:

Correct.

Meredith Oke:

And so when you talked about infrared, near

Meredith Oke:

infrared, mid infrared, for somebody who is not

Meredith Oke:

going to be able to be outside all day long. So

Meredith Oke:

we could. We could, you know, like Deanna's

Meredith Oke:

story. She's like, I'm about to die. I'm just

Meredith Oke:

going to go somewhere where I can be outside all

Meredith Oke:

day long and see what happens. So for people who

Meredith Oke:

are maybe more of a preventative phase or not

Meredith Oke:

quite in, like, in a crisis point, but they can't

Meredith Oke:

be outside all day because it's freezing cold or

Meredith Oke:

they're working or whatever, do. Okay, so two

Meredith Oke:

questions. Does red light therapy help with this?

Meredith Oke:

And second of all, does sauna help? Does the

Meredith Oke:

heating up in a sauna sort of mimic what happens

Meredith Oke:

when you get a fever, or is that a different

Meredith Oke:

process?

Carrie Bennett:

No, I mean, I think it's fair to say that, number

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one, protect your melatonin at night. We can all

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do that with blue blockers and blackout curses,

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curtains, you know, things like that. So that's

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number one. But when it comes to this kind of

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mimicking the sun exposures when we can't get

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outside. Yeah. I do believe, just based on my

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clinical experience of seeing people who are

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healing themselves from various conditions, that

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appropriate red light therapy, which. Or

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adequate, I should say, red light therapy and

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sauna are beneficial. They absolutely are. Can I

Carrie Bennett:

say that, that if you sauna for 20 minutes at 140

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degrees Fahrenheit every day, that that's all,

Carrie Bennett:

you know, that's all you're going to need. I

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mean, I can't say that I can't make those

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correlations, but what I can say is I absolutely

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know that when we get into the sauna, we're

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soaking up that infrared to build exclusion zone

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water. And that's a very beneficial thing to do.

Carrie Bennett:

I can also say that when we're exposing our

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bodies to that red and near infrared red light of

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red light therapy panels, we're helping that

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mitochondria, water and ATP production very

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beneficial. We're making subcellular melatonin

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very beneficial. But then it comes down to there

Carrie Bennett:

are other things at play. Like I said, what's our

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toxin exposure like, what is our non native EMF

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exposure like? Because that can also create

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mitochondrial dysfunction. And even not to

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underestimate, you know, trauma based mechanisms

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as well, my belief is that trauma really can also

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impact mitochondria in a negative way in terms of

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making them less able to be as efficient as they

Carrie Bennett:

might need to be. So there might be other things

Carrie Bennett:

at play here, but I don't see why it would ever

Carrie Bennett:

be a bad strategy to say, block the artificial

Carrie Bennett:

light at night, go outside, whatever. You can

Carrie Bennett:

have a red light therapy panel and sauna at your

Carrie Bennett:

disposal if it's financially feasible to allow

Carrie Bennett:

you to allow those cells to thrive at the

Carrie Bennett:

mitochondrial level as best as possible.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And so that these would be like

Meredith Oke:

foundational practices that, you know,

Meredith Oke:

historically would have just been how we lived.

Meredith Oke:

We wouldn't have had an option. We didn't have

Meredith Oke:

artificial light at night and we were mostly

Meredith Oke:

outside during the day. Like up until probably

Meredith Oke:

the industrial revolution there was whatever you

Meredith Oke:

did in life would require a lot of outdoor

Meredith Oke:

exposure, walking around, just doing gardening,

Meredith Oke:

farming. Anyway, time you had to go anywhere you

Meredith Oke:

would go, you would be outside. Yeah.

Carrie Bennett:

And there wasn't window glass that was blocking

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the infrared and ultraviolet. We still used

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animal hides for our shoes. So we weren't just

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ever disconnected from earth's electrons except

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maybe when we were sleeping out of bed indoors,

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you know, I mean, so like anytime outside we

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would have been connected. It's just, you know,

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we've essentially systematically, progressively

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divorced ourselves from these things. And it's to

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the detriment of our mitochondria, to the

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detriment of our cellular charge, to the

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detriment of our circadian rhythm. And it, it's

Carrie Bennett:

not, it doesn't take a lot to regain, you know,

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connection back to these things, it just takes

Carrie Bennett:

the awareness.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And so when we talk about doing these

Meredith Oke:

things, it's not like, oh, this crazy biohacking.

Meredith Oke:

It's like we're just restoring our body to the

Meredith Oke:

environment and the connection to natural rhythms

Meredith Oke:

that it needs to thrive. Just like you would need

Meredith Oke:

to put a seed in the earth and water it and give

Meredith Oke:

it sunlight if you expected it to grow. And it

Meredith Oke:

wouldn't be a big mystery if you took those

Meredith Oke:

things away. It died. Correct. Okay. So that's

Meredith Oke:

sort of the foundational piece in terms of light

Meredith Oke:

and darkness. Then you talked about in our modern

Meredith Oke:

world. So there's kind of a couple pieces, right?

Meredith Oke:

Like there's the way that we've disconnected

Meredith Oke:

ourselves from nature and nature feeds, keeps our

Meredith Oke:

bodies optimal. But then we're also then

Meredith Oke:

assaulting our bodies with different types of

Meredith Oke:

toxins in our, in our food, in our water and in

Meredith Oke:

our, in the air with the EMFs. So how is that

Meredith Oke:

then layering on in terms of what you've already

Meredith Oke:

explained?

Carrie Bennett:

Well, I mean, all of those things are just

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driving mitochondrial dysfunction, Right. They're

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changing our gelled water. So again, and Jerry

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Pollack is amazing, right. I think he's really

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just. I love where he's going with all of his

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research. And what he showed a while ago now was

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that, yes, we need this gelled water for cellular

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health, but, oh, guess what? Glyphosate prevents

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that gelled water from forming to the best

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extent. Glyphosate also, not through Jerry's

Carrie Bennett:

work, but we know glyphosate also is

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mitochondrial toxic. Oh, heavy metals impair the

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ability to form that gelled water to the adequate

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extent. Oh, by the way, heavy metals can also

Carrie Bennett:

harm the mitochondria. Fluoride, let me think. So

Carrie Bennett:

the heavy metals, glyphosate, fluoride, likely

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microplastics, non native EMFs, all of these

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things we know they affect both. It's likely that

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the intersection of what truly makes something a

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toxin is it both impairs exclusions on water from

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forming to the adequate extent and impairs the

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mitochondria. And again, over time. The cool

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thing about the cool thing about our bodies is

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that, number one, we can make new mitochondria

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called mitochondrial biogenesis. And we do that

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to what are called hormetic stressors. So it

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could be exercise, it could be sauna, it could be

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a cold plunge, it could be some different types

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of aggressive, like almost say aggressive, but

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different breath work techniques. We can make

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nesting. Right. We can make mitochondria new

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mitochondria. The other thing is, is that, so

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those mitochondria then if they were getting

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dysfunctional and we make them, okay, that's

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great, we'll keep those. Let's say we still have

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some dysfunctional functional mitochondria in an

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area. The cell has to reach a really critical

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threshold of about, you know, let's say 70 to 80%

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of its mitochondria being very dysfunctional

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before pathologies really start to take hold. So

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it's not like, oh, I drank a little fluoridated

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water at my friend's house because I know they

Carrie Bennett:

don't filter it and I'm out of luck. It's like,

Carrie Bennett:

no, you know, so I don't want this to be a fear

Carrie Bennett:

based mindset either because we are resilient

Carrie Bennett:

bodies and we really can withstand a lot. And so

Carrie Bennett:

I don't, I actually think, and I have seen this,

Carrie Bennett:

that fear based perfectionist mindset can

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actually be as detrimental, if not so more

Carrie Bennett:

detrimental than having a, having a glass of tap

Carrie Bennett:

water every once in a while. You know, so, and so

Carrie Bennett:

I really think that we have to kind of balance

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this out as well to recognize, yes, toxins are

Carrie Bennett:

there, yes, likely they both impact exclusion

Carrie Bennett:

zone water and the mitochondria. But we're making

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new mitochondria. But we have light and darkness

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as a means of clearing up damaged mitochondria,

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supporting healthy mitochondria. And so I think

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if we can just kind of think about it as a,

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toxins are there, but let's not fear them. Let's

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do the best we can to be resilient against them

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and support healthy mitochondria. That goes a

Carrie Bennett:

long, long way.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And so the practices that we talked about,

Meredith Oke:

especially with the light, light and darkness

Meredith Oke:

blocking artificial light at night, are

Meredith Oke:

supporting us to have healthy mitochondria and

Meredith Oke:

structured water, which makes us more resilient

Meredith Oke:

to these toxins. So we want to lower them to the

Meredith Oke:

best of our ability, but not to the point where

Meredith Oke:

we are living in fear. Especially with EMFs like

Meredith Oke:

WHO cell tower? Like, I can turn my wi fi off at

Meredith Oke:

night, but I can't move the cell tower. That's in

Meredith Oke:

my neigh. Yeah.

Carrie Bennett:

If you're wearing a wireless technology on your

Carrie Bennett:

body or have it have something wireless near your

Carrie Bennett:

physical body for extended periods of time

Carrie Bennett:

throughout the day, consider doing something

Carrie Bennett:

different. So the watches, the AirPods, the cell

Carrie Bennett:

phone, consider just taking those away from your

Carrie Bennett:

body. Consider hardwiring your workstation if you

Carrie Bennett:

can, and positioning your bed In a way where

Carrie Bennett:

you're not next to the WI fi router, right. And

Carrie Bennett:

that's as far away from you as possible. And

Carrie Bennett:

those little things actually can go a long way

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towards giving the mitochondria relief from those

Carrie Bennett:

non native EMFs so that they can kind of recover

Carrie Bennett:

healthy functioning.

Meredith Oke:

Perfect. Amazing. And again like fairly, fairly

Meredith Oke:

simple. This is, you know, unless you want to

Meredith Oke:

invest in a red light panel or infrared sauna.

Meredith Oke:

I've been encouraging that lately. Like I just,

Meredith Oke:

when I first wanted to try, I put IFR sauna into

Meredith Oke:

Google Maps and else there was like a little

Meredith Oke:

sauna place in the next town over. I could rent a

Meredith Oke:

room for half an hour with like a little phone

Meredith Oke:

booth. You know, there's lots of, you know, lots

Meredith Oke:

of probably options for that. But with the

Meredith Oke:

exception of those things, like this is all, none

Meredith Oke:

of this is, is expensive or difficult. We just

Meredith Oke:

have to think about it and do it. Okay, so one

Meredith Oke:

last question I wanted to ask, like on the

Meredith Oke:

toxins, the glyphosate, the fluoride, those have

Meredith Oke:

been coming up in, in the mainstream media a lot

Meredith Oke:

lately. I spent a lot of time on, maybe more time

Meredith Oke:

than I should on Twitter, like evaluating where

Meredith Oke:

the conversation is at. And I have seen some very

Meredith Oke:

smart, open minded people who are not like this

Meredith Oke:

is all crap. Like they, they do their research,

Meredith Oke:

they do some research and their, their question

Meredith Oke:

was like, you know, it's such a small amount,

Meredith Oke:

it's like X number of parts per million, like why

Meredith Oke:

are we making such a, such a fuss about this? And

Meredith Oke:

of course my thought is like they don't

Meredith Oke:

understand. They're not taking the biology down

Meredith Oke:

to it to the level that you need to, to

Meredith Oke:

understand why this is a problem. So if you could

Meredith Oke:

just speak to that argument for.

Carrie Bennett:

Absolutely. And so it's correct, these are small

Carrie Bennett:

exposures, but these chemicals have never been

Carrie Bennett:

studied with small exposures for the duration

Carrie Bennett:

that we're using them or being exposed to them in

Carrie Bennett:

conjunction with thousands of other chemicals at

Carrie Bennett:

small exposures. And so perhaps a little bit of

Carrie Bennett:

fluoride in a mouse study that was done for her

Carrie Bennett:

long mouse study would be like 12 weeks, right.

Carrie Bennett:

Didn't show any changes. But what about that?

Carrie Bennett:

Giving those mice fluoride plus glyphosate in

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their feed, plus microplastics and heavy water,

Carrie Bennett:

plus food dyes, plus irradiating their cage with

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non native EMFs, plus extending that study

Carrie Bennett:

throughout their full lifespan, what would that

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look like? And so what we're doing, unfortunately

Carrie Bennett:

what we're doing with those things is we're

Carrie Bennett:

thinking that they all exist in isolation and

Carrie Bennett:

they absolutely don't. I mean, I think the

Carrie Bennett:

average baby, when you study the cord blood, is

Carrie Bennett:

born with something like 300 chemicals in the

Carrie Bennett:

bloodstream. So you can't say that we're looking

Carrie Bennett:

at these things in isolation. We just aren't

Carrie Bennett:

because of things like statistics like that. And

Carrie Bennett:

so now we have to say, okay, maybe it's not just

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one thing, but maybe it's the aggregation of all

Carrie Bennett:

of these things and how they accumulate over

Carrie Bennett:

time, which I think is the case, that's

Carrie Bennett:

ultimately resulting in the unfortunate health

Carrie Bennett:

detriment that we see these days in our, in our

Carrie Bennett:

modern society. And so that's, that's would be my

Carrie Bennett:

reply to that. And also that there is a lot of

Carrie Bennett:

research that shows that the mitochondria, when

Carrie Bennett:

you study the function of the mitochondria

Carrie Bennett:

isolate these chemicals, they absolutely,

Carrie Bennett:

absolutely create toxicity in the mitochondria at

Carrie Bennett:

small doses.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And it's like my understanding, like

Meredith Oke:

through the quantum lens, it's like the amount is

Meredith Oke:

not what matters.

Carrie Bennett:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

You can have a asymmetric effect from a small,

Meredith Oke:

small amount. And it's like a more kind of

Meredith Oke:

Newtonian thought process to be like, oh well,

Meredith Oke:

it's just such a tiny little bit. What does it

Meredith Oke:

really matter?

Carrie Bennett:

Yeah, yeah. There's so much. Our body is non

Carrie Bennett:

linear and, but we're, we're very linear in our

Carrie Bennett:

thinking. Like we need more or something for

Carrie Bennett:

something to be impactful or less of something.

Carrie Bennett:

And that's not the case. Sometimes the stimulus,

Carrie Bennett:

the small stimulus is all that's needed, like you

Carrie Bennett:

said, to kickstart a chain of events that

Carrie Bennett:

ultimately leads to some, some form of a disease.

Carrie Bennett:

And again, not fear, I don't want fear with that.

Carrie Bennett:

Yeah, but that's where you kind of have to see

Carrie Bennett:

the limitations in how we're studying and viewing

Carrie Bennett:

things like chemical exposure.

Meredith Oke:

Right, right. And then to wrap, we'll bring it

Meredith Oke:

back to the great good news is why, like there's

Meredith Oke:

so much that we can do once we understand all of

Meredith Oke:

these things that you have so beautifully laid

Meredith Oke:

out for us, so much that we can do. So could you,

Meredith Oke:

do you have any like stories or case studies to

Meredith Oke:

share of like people that you've worked with or

Meredith Oke:

heard about who applied these strategies in any

Meredith Oke:

capacity. It could have been like, even for

Meredith Oke:

something small, you know, I, I personally

Meredith Oke:

applied all of these because, you know, I had

Meredith Oke:

what I now realize was early stage chronic

Meredith Oke:

fatigue. I can't believe people suffer for it for

Meredith Oke:

so long. I was like, I Couldn't take it. But you

Meredith Oke:

know, and I absolutely found a huge change in,

Meredith Oke:

you know, like it changed my life. It really did.

Carrie Bennett:

You know, it's hard. This might sound weird, but

Carrie Bennett:

I've got, I've had so many people, right. I'm

Carrie Bennett:

just blessed to work with so many people both one

Carrie Bennett:

on one, but also in my private community. The

Carrie Bennett:

private community has been fun because, you know,

Carrie Bennett:

you get to see people for years, like in a row

Carrie Bennett:

and it's like, it's like you hear time and time

Carrie Bennett:

again, well, my doctor can't believe that this

Carrie Bennett:

is, you know, this is where I'm at right now. You

Carrie Bennett:

know, when I was told that I, I would never get

Carrie Bennett:

to this point. And even if it's not a doctor

Carrie Bennett:

validating a disease like that, a disease

Carrie Bennett:

condition is improving. Sometimes it's little

Carrie Bennett:

tiny things like, oh my gosh, I didn't realize

Carrie Bennett:

that hydrogen rich water is something that my

Carrie Bennett:

body just needs. I need that redox support with

Carrie Bennett:

this. And now all of a sudden I actually feel for

Carrie Bennett:

the first time in my life that my body is moving

Carrie Bennett:

in the right direction. I actually had a, had a

Carrie Bennett:

community member who was take, who started taking

Carrie Bennett:

some hydrogen rich water, which is not something

Carrie Bennett:

we talked about here. We'll have to come back on

Carrie Bennett:

and do that. But it is another one of those

Carrie Bennett:

things that supports, like you said, like I said,

Carrie Bennett:

there's not one way to support healthy

Carrie Bennett:

mitochondria. This is another way that you can.

Carrie Bennett:

And her body developed a fever for the first time

Carrie Bennett:

in two years. And we're talking about a very

Carrie Bennett:

chronic debilitating disease progression that

Carrie Bennett:

she'd been, been under and this particular

Carrie Bennett:

community member, you know, normally people would

Carrie Bennett:

be like, oh no fever. It's like, and, and this

Carrie Bennett:

was being celebrated. It's like, yay. Now you've

Carrie Bennett:

given your body the adequate charge it needs to

Carrie Bennett:

start to clear stuff and push stuff out. You're

Carrie Bennett:

reestablishing exclusion zone water. And so it

Carrie Bennett:

could be as big as like a full reversal of

Carrie Bennett:

chronic fatigue or digestive issues or people

Carrie Bennett:

with cancers, neurocognitive things like you

Carrie Bennett:

could see like a huge shift. But you can also

Carrie Bennett:

celebrate these tiny little wins along the way as

Carrie Bennett:

well. Just to show that these are the things that

Carrie Bennett:

you give your body the correct stimulus. It will

Carrie Bennett:

do what it needs to do with that added energy and

Carrie Bennett:

support to continue the healing and hopefully

Carrie Bennett:

bring that healing to full circle into just a

Carrie Bennett:

thriving state of health. So you know, gosh,

Carrie Bennett:

there's so many like I have in my mind right now

Carrie Bennett:

that have just been riding this process out and

Carrie Bennett:

would never turn around and think, oh, what a

Carrie Bennett:

waste of time. Because it really truly. You see

Carrie Bennett:

them years from where they started and they just

Carrie Bennett:

look and act and seem like different people.

Meredith Oke:

Wow. Yeah. It's so amazing. And yes, we'll have

Meredith Oke:

to do a hydrogen water one. And what I find so

Meredith Oke:

cool, what I've seen and experienced myself too,

Meredith Oke:

is that it's like when you have like, like a.

Meredith Oke:

Found a foundational, Understand how to have like

Meredith Oke:

a foundational practice or live your life in a

Meredith Oke:

way that's generally supportive of mitochondria,

Meredith Oke:

then you can start to experiment and see, like,

Meredith Oke:

oh, you know, then you do maybe homeopathy or we

Meredith Oke:

were talking about earlier sound healing or

Meredith Oke:

there's something. Or the hydrogen water or

Meredith Oke:

there's. There's some other key that we find that

Meredith Oke:

is just what we personally specifically needed as

Meredith Oke:

opposed to what we've been talking about, which,

Meredith Oke:

like, everybody needs. That was our body was

Meredith Oke:

crying out for our biology, our history in some

Meredith Oke:

way needed that. And now it's able to do its job

Meredith Oke:

with that extra. That extra piece because we're

Meredith Oke:

functional underneath.

Carrie Bennett:

Exactly. Again, I'll say this time and time

Carrie Bennett:

again, the foundation is light, right? Yes. There

Carrie Bennett:

is a mindset component to it. Yes, I understand

Carrie Bennett:

nervous system. Right. But all of those things

Carrie Bennett:

are supported when you have the light environment

Carrie Bennett:

in place. When the light environment's in place,

Carrie Bennett:

the mitochondria are healthier. When the

Carrie Bennett:

mitochondria are healthier, the charge inside of

Carrie Bennett:

the cell is healthier. When that's healthier,

Carrie Bennett:

then the cell has the energy it needs, needs to

Carrie Bennett:

run all of its processes. And so this is why time

Carrie Bennett:

and time again, I've seen people make some minor,

Carrie Bennett:

seemingly minor changes in light. Like you said,

Carrie Bennett:

morning light exposure and blocking the

Carrie Bennett:

artificial light at night and all of a sudden

Carrie Bennett:

have a profound effect on their body in a short

Carrie Bennett:

period of time because their body then is taking

Carrie Bennett:

that energy and information and just doing so

Carrie Bennett:

much beneficial stuff with it. So I hope this

Carrie Bennett:

encourages people to continue to explore this

Carrie Bennett:

path here of light and light's effect on the

Carrie Bennett:

mitochondria and the water production inside of

Carrie Bennett:

us.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Carrie, thank you so much. As usual, this

Meredith Oke:

was fantastic and I learned so many things.

Meredith Oke:

Carrie is@carrieb wellness.com she has a

Meredith Oke:

membership. If you want her ongoing support and

Meredith Oke:

peer support to implement this in all of these. I

Meredith Oke:

was going to say strategies, but it's just really

Meredith Oke:

like to change your way of life. And Carrie, do

Meredith Oke:

you have anything else going on or coming up you

Meredith Oke:

want to share about?

Carrie Bennett:

Well, you know, I mean by the time this comes

Carrie Bennett:

out, I think my cancer web, my live cancer

Carrie Bennett:

webinar will already have occurred. But it takes

Carrie Bennett:

this stuff, right? And in a small private session

Carrie Bennett:

like that with a small group of people, I can

Carrie Bennett:

really dive deeper, deeper into it. So if you're

Carrie Bennett:

interested in learning about specifically things

Carrie Bennett:

like the charge of cancer cells versus healthy

Carrie Bennett:

cells or you know, what's happening at the level

Carrie Bennett:

of the mitochondria there at an even deeper level

Carrie Bennett:

that's going to be available for purchase on my

Carrie Bennett:

website at this point.

Meredith Oke:

Amazing. So the cancer webinar. Okay, yeah. That

Meredith Oke:

would, you know, if you have cancer is affecting

Meredith Oke:

your life in any way, this would, I would really

Meredith Oke:

recommend to, to go to Kerry's webinar because we

Meredith Oke:

really just. This is a great intro, but it'll be

Meredith Oke:

really worth diving into if this is something

Meredith Oke:

that you need to, that you're dealing with on a

Meredith Oke:

day to day basis. And then also coming up in June

Meredith Oke:

2025, you are hosting a retreat.

Carrie Bennett:

That's so exciting. So June 26th and 27th in

Carrie Bennett:

Franklin, Tennessee which is just south of

Carrie Bennett:

Nashville. We've got this one hundred and sixty

Carrie Bennett:

acre pristine rock quarry. Natural, natural

Carrie Bennett:

water, you know, obviously tons of acreage of

Carrie Bennett:

just trails. The venue itself will allow for open

Carrie Bennett:

door, natural light. So like no stuffy

Carrie Bennett:

conference. It's a combination of learning and

Carrie Bennett:

experiential. Just getting together with all of

Carrie Bennett:

us. Fun. You know, I'll call us nerds. But you

Carrie Bennett:

know, just in this space, people really just want

Carrie Bennett:

to improve, embrace this stuff and learn more

Carrie Bennett:

about it and then just share our enthusiasm for

Carrie Bennett:

it. So that's on my website as well@carrieb

Carrie Bennett:

wellness.com.

Meredith Oke:

That sounds amazing. Yeah. And to those of you

Meredith Oke:

who leave beautiful messages and comments about

Meredith Oke:

how impactful this podcast is for you, first of

Meredith Oke:

all, thank you. And second of all, go to Carrie's

Meredith Oke:

retreat. There is something about seeing people

Meredith Oke:

in real life that changes the energy of your

Meredith Oke:

intention and makes everything so much easier. I

Meredith Oke:

think this is true. Whether it's for health or

Meredith Oke:

business or learning a new language, you know,

Meredith Oke:

whatever it is, that is a focus for your life. If

Meredith Oke:

you can get around other people who are on the

Meredith Oke:

same page in a positive way, that is a huge, huge

Meredith Oke:

thing. And it's one of those things. I think the

Meredith Oke:

benefits of going to a, a retreat like that, they

Meredith Oke:

stay with you, right? It's like they put you,

Meredith Oke:

they shift you to a new place and that's your new

Meredith Oke:

place. So it might just be two days, but it lasts

Meredith Oke:

forever.

Carrie Bennett:

And I mean, all of our quantum friends are there,

Carrie Bennett:

right? Sarah Kleiner, Sarah Pugh, Stephen Hussey.

Carrie Bennett:

I mean, that's like Corey Gasvini, Peter

Carrie Bennett:

Forehand, who's new on the scene. But you're not

Carrie Bennett:

going to want to miss Peter stuff. It's all ether

Carrie Bennett:

crack, crystallization into matter. I mean, it's

Carrie Bennett:

so cool. Such cool stuff. And again, yeah, I'm

Carrie Bennett:

just excited, like you said, being with people in

Carrie Bennett:

person, just. There's something magical about it

Carrie Bennett:

when you can share that space together.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, no, that's going to be so fun. Okay, so

Meredith Oke:

that's coming up June 2025, and there's info on

Meredith Oke:

Carrie's website, carriebwellness.com. thank you,

Meredith Oke:

Carrie. Oh, and of course, we have another cohort

Meredith Oke:

in April for the Institute of Applied Quantum

Meredith Oke:

Biology. There's a cohort currently running now

Meredith Oke:

of just amazing people. I mean, you are all just.

Meredith Oke:

I mean, I'm humbled every time I, I meet you all

Meredith Oke:

and what people are bringing, the energy that

Meredith Oke:

they're bringing and the hope and the. It's truly

Meredith Oke:

remarkable.

Carrie Bennett:

I love it.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And Carrie is our lead faculty for that, so

Meredith Oke:

can go to qbcpod.com it'll link you to all the

Meredith Oke:

places if you want to make sure you're on the

Meredith Oke:

waitlist for April. All right, Carrie, thank you.

Meredith Oke:

We'll see you again soon. Talk about hydrogen

Meredith Oke:

water. This has been the Quantum Biology

Meredith Oke:

Collective podcast. To find a practitioner who

Meredith Oke:

practices from this point of view, visit our

Meredith Oke:

directory@quantumbiologycollective.org if you are

Meredith Oke:

a practitioner, definitely take a look at the

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Applied Quantum Biology certification, A six week

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study of the science of the new human health

Meredith Oke:

paradigm and its practical application with your

Meredith Oke:

patients and clients. We also love to feature

Meredith Oke:

graduates of the program on this very podcast.

Meredith Oke:

Until next time, the QVC.

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