131: From ER to Energy Healing: Dr. Tina Hills on Trauma, Fascia & Quantum Medicine

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Tina. Tina Hills, welcome to the QVC podcast.

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Dr. Tina Hills: So happy to be here with you today. I've been

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waiting for this.

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Oh, I'm so excited. It's going to be really fun.

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You know, when you went through the program over

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at iaqb, you brought so much energy and

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experience and amazing stuff to the table. So I'm

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glad. I'm excited to dig into it.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Well, you filled a very large gap. You brought

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everything together with the information that you

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provide when you start looking at the full

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spectrum of health. And so, man, I was glad to

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find you.

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Oh, I'm so glad because. And that was. That's

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exactly it. Right? It's just like, it's just that

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program is just meant to be like a bridge for

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people like you who have so many pieces. And then

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it's like, okay, there's just this, like, there's

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some fundamentals that some brilliant people have

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figured out that, I mean, I don't teach it above

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my pay grade, but I want all of you to learn it.

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And yeah, people come in and if that's their gap

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that they're missing, it's like, oh, and they're

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supercharged with like all the stuff that they've

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been studying for years.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yes, yes.

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Amazing. So, okay, so you are an md, ER doc.

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Dr. Tina Hills: I'm a do do.

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Okay.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Plus. But yeah, I'm a do.

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Explain. Explain how that all works.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Your traditional background, osteopathy, broke

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off of the allopathic back in the 1800s because

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the gentleman who started it said, you guys are

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killing my family with your poisons. I got to

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figure out how to heal the body. And so when you

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go through osteopathic school, you go through the

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standard medical training, but it's a more of a.

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You're open to a little more holistic and hands

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on. So you learn about 40 different techniques in

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how to work with the body manually. You still

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learn all the pharmacology, all the

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pathophysiology exactly the same. And then you,

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when you get out of residency, you can either

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attend an allopathic residency or an osteopathic

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residency. So you just have more options, more

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training.

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Oh, that is so cool. Because. So I just assumed

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because you worked in an ER that you had an md. I

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did not know that you could be a do and be

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working in er. That is cool.

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Dr. Tina Hills: We have full rights in the US and most of the

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world. We do. There's a couple places where you

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don't, but yeah, it's full rights.

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Amazing. Okay, so how so. So you chose to do the

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osteopathic residency route. And then. And then

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what happened? And how did you even end up there?

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And why were you even like, yes, osteopathy?

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Dr. Tina Hills: Because I didn't go to medical school until I was

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32. I was, you know, I was in exercise

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physiology. I was a semi professional athlete in

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powerlifting. And as my career started to come to

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an end in the powerlifting, I had to say, man.

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And then I got a master's degree in computer

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sciences while I was doing that. So I was working

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in the real world.

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We've got a polymath on our hands, people. Okay?

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Dr. Tina Hills: My brother said, you're not too old to go back.

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So I went back to school. And then because of my

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age, I'm like, I got to get a job where I go to

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work and go home. I don't want to be in a clinic.

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I don't want to be tied to a pager. So I said,

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oh, let me do er. And so ER is super amazing

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because our specialty is trauma and

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resuscitation. That's our true specialty. But by

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training, we have to be a jack of all trades,

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because you have to be able to take care of

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anything that walks in the er, and you have to

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know enough to speak to your consultants and the

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admitting physicians. And so you have to have

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this real wide breadth of information. When I.

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When I started all this, I was, you know, you're

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really gung ho. You're all into the drama and

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trauma, and as you get to this side of it, you're

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like, I'm done with that part. How do we actually

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help ourselves now? And so that's what drove me.

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And I had a. In 2019, I just hit the point where

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I had the perfect job, I had the perfect house, I

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had the perfect partner. And everything came

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crashing down because our nice little hospital

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was bought out by a conglomerate. And I had. I

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came home from work every day questioning, why am

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I having to use childhood survival skills to go

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through work? And that put me on this big, long

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path now it's been five years now of who am I and

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why am I here? And those are the two fundamental

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questions that you have to get to if you start a

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healing journey. Because you are not your job.

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You are not the person that. You're your parent.

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You are a parent, but that's not who you are.

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It's just a. A role you play. And it really put

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me down onto this. Like, how? Why am I doing

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this? I have to back up one second, though,

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because the Very first lesson I learned was from

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my spouse when I learned it was okay to be happy.

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Oh, anything started, it's such a big one, happy

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for no reason. And I learned that lesson just

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before these other very harsh ones came along

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because I had to know the contrast. If I had not

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learned that it's okay, I would have stayed in

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the oh, wo is me. I'm just fighting the fight.

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But it made me know that no, things are

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different. We can treat people differently, we

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can feel differently about ourselves. And it was

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about that time that ayahuasca first came around

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my on my email and came in calling, knocking on

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my door. And it took me about two years to go do

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that. In the meantime, I was dealing with my own

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traumas and how, learning how to get it out of my

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body, how to start healing my body with what I

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ate and things like that. And so it just kind of

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moved down this nice spectrum of I'm either going

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to manage my decline, because when I started

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this, I was almost 50 pounds overweight, blood

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pressure pushing, blood pressure pushing,

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diabetes, incredibly unhealthy. So I said, I'm

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either going to manage my decline or I have got

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to change what I'm looking at and say, how do I

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create health? Because it's two completely

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different ends of the spectrum, completely

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different thought pattern. When we came onto the

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to the quantum biology, I had been looking at it

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for a little bit before I found you guys, and it

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just started making logical sense. When you look

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at the pharmacology and things like, it makes

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sense to make you feel better in short term, but

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when you're sitting in the ER after 20 years

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almost, we figured out probably about a hundred

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thousand patients, probably two to three times

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that in family members. 10,000 deaths that I've

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had the honor of being with, and I've had my own

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near death. And so when you start to move from

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this perspective of I know all these things are

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going on, and then you find something in the

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plant medicine world that shows you the rest of

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the energy and the importance of the energy. Then

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you want to come back and put it all together and

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say, here, this is how you can do this in

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something called integration. Integration is

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where you simply take all your lessons and start

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applying it to your life. So what the. When I

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went, we started our program, we said, we sat

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down because my spouse is an ER nurse. We sat

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down and we said, okay, how do we combine these

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two things? These have to merge because the

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knowledge is here. They're just not taking it far

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enough. To heal anyone. And so we started out

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with, well, when somebody comes in with a code,

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how do we get them to be alive if they're dead?

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When they get to us, how do we make them come

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alive? You know, because everything's on a

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spectrum. They're not dead dead yet. They're just

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dead. We can still get them back if that makes

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dead.

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Ish. Not fully dead. Okay.

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Dr. Tina Hills: And so what we did. Excuse me, what we did is we

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said, okay, the very first thing that we have to

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do when someone comes into the error is create

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coherence. Very first thing. Because when someone

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goes into a cardiac arrest, their heart is not

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beating in a proper rhythm. We have to get that

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rhythm back. Nothing can happen in the body

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without a heartbeat. You can have a heartbeat

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with no breath, but you cannot have it the other

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way around. And so we said, okay, how do we

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create coherence? And so we went through all

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these, this deep dive into what creates coherence

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in the body and put it in our program. And then

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we looked at, you know, the quantum biology,

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circadian rhythm. And so we just got, we were

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just able to meld them together to, and help

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people shift their perspective from that decline

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to the incline. Both of them are hard, they're

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both work. But the, the work of becoming healthy

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is so much more fun and so much more benefit to

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the outcome of your life that you forget about

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this other stuff and you won't, you just won't.

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You won't do it anymore. And as simple as that,

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I, I.

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Really like this framing of it, managing the

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decline versus investing in your health, because

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I think it does a lot of things. One of the

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things is like, we're so often told like, oh, oh,

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you're having that happen. Yeah, you're in your

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30s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah, you're

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in your 40s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah,

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you're getting old. Oh, you're. And it's like,

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yeah, like all of these symptoms we're told are

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just quote, unquote, normal. And it's like, just

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because. What's the phrase? Just because it's

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common doesn't mean it's normal.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.

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And so that would be the managing of the decline.

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Right. It's like nothing we can do. This stuff's

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just all going to happen. Want, want, want. But.

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And then sometimes the bridge out of that into

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the other one you're talking about, where we were

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creating our health is through trying to manage

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symptoms. But you're right, it's a huge Mind

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shift. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to get

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to the root cause to fix this symptom. Then it's

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like once you're down at the root, you got to

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move over to that other side. And then you stop

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doing things like expecting every practitioner

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you meet to be the last one you'll ever need in

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your life. And start to realize that this is like

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an ongoing non linear lifetime journey.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Just like we do not age linearly. We cut, we're

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coming around, we start our slow decline around

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44 is what they say, you have a clunk, I drop and

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you have another rose around 60. But if you look

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at that, that's right at the time when most

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people really start having symptoms, in that

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early 40s to mid-40s, you start having symptoms,

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you start to realize, oh my gosh, I can't do what

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I used to do. But let me tell you now, that heart

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attack, that stroke, all of those things that

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you're having in your 50s and 60s started when

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you were 20. They did not start when you were 50.

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It was, it's not a shock. It's not a shock to

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anyone except for who it happened to because it's

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been going on. We could have told you back at 20

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you were going to have this heart attack, but you

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wouldn't listen, you know, and so it's just

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funny, it's how you start to bring things

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together with that. But, you know, and we figured

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out that nobody is going to heal you. You are

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fully responsible for your state of being. And

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it's not just your physical state of being, it's

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your emotional, it's your spiritual, which I

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don't mean religious in that, I mean like your,

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your connection with yourself and the divine and

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your energetic. You have to take care of those

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things. Not just your mental and your physical,

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but we also need to learn that our mind is simply

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a computer processor and that our body is driving

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the show. Because your body holds trauma, your

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fascia. We are a fascia being. We are made of

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fascia. That's all we are. With a bunch of, with

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some organs, it suspends some organs. It's water

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fashion that makes water, makes fascia mixed up

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with a little sand, you know, that's all we are.

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And so you have to consider, I'm an energetic

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being. How do I feed my energetic being? How do I

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clear that? And that's where that plant medicine

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has really brought in the tools and how to clear.

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Because when you go, when you start to heal

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yourself, we really want to focus on if you

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really back up. Global view, hydration,

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remineralization, detoxification on those five

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levels. And then you. We give stem cells to give

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somebody a really big boost and turn around in

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that health. It really pops you over that little

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hole, that heel that you get to. But integration

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and support, you're the one that has to do it

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all. It is a solo journey. You cannot take it by

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yourself. You can't. You need help, you need

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support. You need guidance for someone who's been

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there. You need somebody on your side that's

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saying, man, are you sure you want to eat that

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hamburger today? Because that may not be the best

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for you. People that call you out on your junk,

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you got triggered. The trigger tells you where

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you need to heal. It's not the fact that you got

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triggered. That's no problem. Turn it around on

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yourself and say, okay, why was I triggered? How

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did that make me feel? Where was it in my body?

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When's the first time I felt that? Take it all

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the way back and then put your hands on your body

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and say, man, I'm sorry you had to go through

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that. I'm sorry you had to go through that. And

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be kind to yourself. This. You know, I really.

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Biohacking is a big thing right now. I don't

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particularly care for the term because I think

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we're really moving out of the state of fear and

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pushing and driving and into this state of love

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and kindness and support. So we try to push

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people back over to this, just like we do for

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that health. Because when you're in that bubble

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of health, that's what you feel and that's what

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you have.

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So you've mentioned plant medicine and

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specifically ayahuasca. So tell me a little bit

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more. Like, what was your impression of it before

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you did your deep dive? How did you change your

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mind about it when? What happened when you tried

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it? Because it sounds like some things.

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Dr. Tina Hills: It is. It is an experience. So, like I said, we

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had. It was introduced to me. It just came across

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on Instagram or email. I can't even remember what

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it came, but I just saw it. And I was like, oh,

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that's really interesting. I wonder what that is.

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And I looked it up and I said, okay, well, that

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sounds interesting. Put it away. Didn't think

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about it again. Two years later, it was over and

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over. And so we say that it's calling you. It was

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calling me to come visit. We went down to Costa

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Rica to a resort there and participated in the

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ceremonies with Taido Juanito he's out of

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Colombia. He's one of the main. He's like a

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seventh or eighth generation shaman out of

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Colombia. And when you go into ceremony, it's

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actually really, really kind of like being in the

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er. It's dark rather than light, but it's dark,

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it's loud. There's people crying and screaming

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and laughing and running around and dancing.

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This all makes sense to me.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Smoke and light, it was just fun stuff. But when

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you go in, you have to do ayahuasca, especially

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with people who know what they're doing, because

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this is a traditional medicine that's about 5,000

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to 10,000 years old. And these people have been

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working with this medicine since they were

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children. And so they really know the intricacies

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and how to deal with the medicine. But you go in

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and you have, you go in, you have a cup of

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medicine. It's in a little shot, you know, a

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little shot glass, just one cup at a time. And

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then you go and lay down on your mat. And it's

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just a, like a twin mattress that you have set

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up. There's. There was about 80 people in our

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group. After you drink the medicine, you go lay

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down in it and you sit there for about an hour,

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quiet. It's called the noble silence. Everyone's

Meredith Oke: 00:20:48

quiet. And then the action starts, the music

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starts, the vomiting, the singing and dancing.

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You're getting blessings from people. But when

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you do plant medicine, what it does is it's. It's

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kind of like ketamine in the error. It

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dissociates you from your ego and turns off your

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thinking mind. It takes off all your filters so

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you can see a different reality. It's almost,

Meredith Oke: 00:21:09

it's the closest thing that to a near death that

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I've had because you, all of your filters are

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gone and you can see what's actually happening

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around you. And it shows you what's in your body.

Meredith Oke: 00:21:19

To get the trauma out of your body. Your sig3

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gene determines where you store trauma. Ayahuasca

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is, it goes in, it actually maps out your DNA.

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There's been studies, there's been tons of

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studies. This, especially in Europe, it goes in,

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it maps out your DNA, finds that trauma, and it's

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sitting in your water, your fascia, and it kind

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of brings it into your bowels or into your tears

Meredith Oke: 00:21:42

or wherever it needs to go so that you can purge

Meredith Oke: 00:21:44

it out. And so it's literally you're purging

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energetic waste out of your body. It's just that

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stagnant water, you know, It's. It's stagnant. So

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it grows things in there. You hold things in

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there. It's bound up with the fascia, you know,

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so you have. If you can imagine, you have all

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your easy water, you have your fascia bound up

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around from an injury. So I. I spray. Just say

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somebody spraying their ankle, it twists the

Meredith Oke: 00:22:05

fascia up because that's your shock absorber.

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That fascia holds £2,000 per square inch. And so

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as that binds, it kind of gets stuck, then it

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gets adhered, then it gets dehydrated and

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crackly. So as you go into that fashion, you

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start to release it. You release that energetic

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trauma. The water let the flow come in, Blood

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vessels start to flow, nerves start to FL. Flow.

Meredith Oke: 00:22:27

Because we. The majority of our nerves are in our

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fascia. It's not in our brain. You know, it's

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like 100 times more in our fascia. And so when

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you work with ayahuasca, then you start to deal

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with those energies on a different level. Because

Meredith Oke: 00:22:39

now I'm familiar with my body. If I go on a

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journey, I know where I'm going, I know how to

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get there, and I'm comfortable getting there

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because I'm. I'm not distracted by all the

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visuals. I take the visuals in, I say, okay, how

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do I learn from this? And. And then you just

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start to apply those through integration, because

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you learn. And it may not be that night, it may

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be a year later, where you go, oh, my gosh. I had

Meredith Oke: 00:23:01

that ceremony that told me this was going to

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happen. And so then you go through, and it just

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stays with you. And the medicine's always with

Meredith Oke: 00:23:07

you once you have it. But we do the same thing

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with ketamine. We've used it in the ER to do

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things like this. I had a guy who came in for

Meredith Oke: 00:23:13

shoulder dislocation. Ketamine. You give it in,

Meredith Oke: 00:23:16

the IV shuts off the ego, separates you from your

Meredith Oke: 00:23:19

mind. You're still awake. I can talk to you, you

Meredith Oke: 00:23:21

can hold a conversation, but you have no clue

Meredith Oke: 00:23:23

what's going on. Had a guy came in for shoulder

Meredith Oke: 00:23:25

dislocation, gave him some ketamine while he was

Meredith Oke: 00:23:29

there. He said, I'm suicidal. I'm incredibly sad.

Meredith Oke: 00:23:33

So I said, all right, man, let's help you out.

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While I was reducing his shoulder, and Troy

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happened to meet my spouse, happened to be

Meredith Oke: 00:23:38

working with me. We said, all right, let's get

Meredith Oke: 00:23:40

this guy turned around. So we started telling him

Meredith Oke: 00:23:43

all these things about, you are loved, you are

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worthy, and just going down this list of you love

Meredith Oke: 00:23:48

your body. You love yourself. You're worthy of

Meredith Oke: 00:23:50

that love. When he. And then I kept him overnight

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to monitor him when he woke up the next day. And

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as we're starting to talk to him, he's like, man,

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I feel fantastic. I feel great. I've never felt

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this good in my life. You know, it just because

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he had the opportunity to somebody tell him, man,

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you're okay. And I want to tell everybody that

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you are okay. You're perfect just the way you

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are. You're just in your process.

Meredith Oke: 00:24:13

Yeah, we all are. And so do you think that. That

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those messages of love sort of penetrated his

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consciousness differently because you'd given him

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the ketamine for his shoulder and his ego was out

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of the way? Is that what you're saying?

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Dr. Tina Hills: Absolutely. Because then doesn't have any defense

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against that. He doesn't have that thought

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because that's the ego telling you that, right?

Meredith Oke: 00:24:36

And so it does. He doesn't have that thought of,

Meredith Oke: 00:24:38

man, I want to kill myself now. He has that

Meredith Oke: 00:24:40

thought of, wait a minute. I don't want that

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anymore. Now, hey, I want to go have a good day

Meredith Oke: 00:24:45

today. I don't want to do that anymore. And it's

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where you get that you can. You short circuit the

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neurals, and it's that neuroplasticity, right?

Meredith Oke: 00:24:53

And so you can short circuit those. Those little

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loops. And that's what the medicine does. It

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helps you short circuit the loops. So instead of

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staying on that little roller coaster of up and

Meredith Oke: 00:25:02

down, I'm suicidal, it says, nope, I'm done with

Meredith Oke: 00:25:04

that now. Now I get to make this new loop. And

Meredith Oke: 00:25:07

you only have to stop for something once to start

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neuroplasticity. And so it makes it a very easy

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process once you know how to do it, you know. So

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even one of the best examples of that are your

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spinal reflexes. And spinal reflex. You touch the

Meredith Oke: 00:25:20

stove, you pull your hand away so you don't get

Meredith Oke: 00:25:23

burned. That message never makes it to your

Meredith Oke: 00:25:25

brain. It goes from your hand to your spinal cord

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and back out for you to respond. You have reef

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emotional reflexes that are just the same. So,

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you know, somebody triggers you. You lash out and

Meredith Oke: 00:25:36

say something, and then in your mind, you're

Meredith Oke: 00:25:37

going, holy crap. Why'd they say that? I didn't

Meredith Oke: 00:25:39

want to say that to them. I didn't mean to say

Meredith Oke: 00:25:40

that you feel badly. But it's a loop that comes

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from your spinal reflex to protect you. And so

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when you. What we want you to do is kind of take

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a step back, push Things off of you. This is what

Meredith Oke: 00:25:52

we do in the er. Like, if I got caught up in the

Meredith Oke: 00:25:55

drama of everything, I could not keep track of

Meredith Oke: 00:25:57

anyone. Because if I'm saying, oh, their blood

Meredith Oke: 00:26:00

pressure is low, everybody agrees their blood

Meredith Oke: 00:26:01

pressure is low, but we're stuck in that. We

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can't get anything accomplished. And so for me,

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and what I teach my. My clients to do is take

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that issue, push it off, set it over here where

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you can look at it with some. Some distance, and

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then you say, okay, what are my solutions? And

Meredith Oke: 00:26:19

you focus on the solution, because then you have

Meredith Oke: 00:26:21

action, then things are changing. You're not just

Meredith Oke: 00:26:23

stuck in this endless loop of, oh, my gosh, this

Meredith Oke: 00:26:25

is happening, and ruminating. You have to stop

Meredith Oke: 00:26:28

ruminating and move through it, Emote emotion,

Meredith Oke: 00:26:31

move it through your body. It's a lot, isn't it?

Meredith Oke: 00:26:37

Yeah. So you've. You've talked a lot about trauma

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being stored in the fascia. Could you explain

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sort of your understanding of how that works, how

Meredith Oke: 00:26:49

the structured water in our body holds trauma and

Meredith Oke: 00:26:51

how we can unfold it?

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Dr. Tina Hills: You think about the body. The body's like a

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quantum computer. And you have data that's stored

Meredith Oke: 00:26:59

in water molecules, your DNA molecules, your

Meredith Oke: 00:27:01

fascia, which is water. And then you have

Meredith Oke: 00:27:03

microtubules. So if you think your. Your brain is

Meredith Oke: 00:27:06

your computer, your. Your network system, your

Meredith Oke: 00:27:10

Ethernet hardwire is your nervous system, and

Meredith Oke: 00:27:12

your fiber optics are your fascia. And so things

Meredith Oke: 00:27:16

travel in a quantum with quantum speed. It's

Meredith Oke: 00:27:19

biophotons, bioacoustics. It is. It's everywhere

Meredith Oke: 00:27:24

in your body because it's what you are. And what

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happens is that fascia gets bound up and it keeps

Meredith Oke: 00:27:30

that trauma in there, because when you have. And

Meredith Oke: 00:27:32

it doesn't have to be big, it can be small. My

Meredith Oke: 00:27:35

mom yelled at me, and they didn't yell at my

Meredith Oke: 00:27:37

sister, and we were doing the same thing. It

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doesn't have to be anything big, but it's a shock

Meredith Oke: 00:27:41

to the body. And so it walls it off. And that

Meredith Oke: 00:27:44

data is stored in there. And then we. If it

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doesn't, if it's not dealt with, we. We apply

Meredith Oke: 00:27:49

layers of protection. Layers, layers, layers. And

Meredith Oke: 00:27:53

it's just data that's stored in that water.

Meredith Oke: 00:27:55

Literally in quanta.

Meredith Oke: 00:27:59

Yeah, I mean, that. That makes so much sense, you

Meredith Oke: 00:28:03

know, and it's. Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:28:04

Dr. Tina Hills: Onto DNA. They've shown they can download video

Meredith Oke: 00:28:06

onto DNA and replay it. It's just data. It's just

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information.

Meredith Oke: 00:28:11

Right.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Energy. It's just light information. We're light

Meredith Oke: 00:28:14

information. Our bodies are light bodies. And so

Meredith Oke: 00:28:17

when you put that, you're just. It's like a

Meredith Oke: 00:28:19

quantum computer. Quantum computer, yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:28:23

And I love this way of talking about it because

Meredith Oke: 00:28:24

it's very. Not emotional. I mean, I'm. I think,

Meredith Oke: 00:28:31

you know, being able to experience our emotions

Meredith Oke: 00:28:33

as key to being a healthy person. However,

Meredith Oke: 00:28:37

sometimes we can attach too much to a certain

Meredith Oke: 00:28:40

concept. So we're just talking about trauma as

Meredith Oke: 00:28:43

information encoded in the body that's having a

Meredith Oke: 00:28:45

certain kind of outcome that makes it much more.

Meredith Oke: 00:28:51

It's got a more objective feel to it. And it's

Meredith Oke: 00:28:54

like, okay, so what are some things I can do to

Meredith Oke: 00:28:56

release it? That's it. That's all. And we have

Meredith Oke: 00:28:59

this idea that, like, oh, no. Like, I've been

Meredith Oke: 00:29:01

traumatized or my kids can't get traumatized or

Meredith Oke: 00:29:03

no one. The trauma's there forever, and it's

Meredith Oke: 00:29:05

going to impact me for the right. And it's like,

Meredith Oke: 00:29:07

no, correct. You can heal it.

Meredith Oke: 00:29:10

Dr. Tina Hills: You can get rid of it. Because if you are put

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here to go through this process when you are a

Meredith Oke: 00:29:18

child, you have all of your story. Everyone has a

Meredith Oke: 00:29:21

story. The beginning of the story is all the

Meredith Oke: 00:29:24

drama. The back half of the story is your hero

Meredith Oke: 00:29:28

journey. My good friend Kevin Call talks all

Meredith Oke: 00:29:30

about it. It's your hero journey. You come out

Meredith Oke: 00:29:32

and you say, okay, I've learned all these things.

Meredith Oke: 00:29:35

All of the tools that you learned as a child, you

Meredith Oke: 00:29:37

turn around and say, okay, I don't have to rely

Meredith Oke: 00:29:39

on them to survive, but I have them in my back

Meredith Oke: 00:29:41

pocket if I need them. And all you're doing is

Meredith Oke: 00:29:44

gaining wisdom and tools and learning what your

Meredith Oke: 00:29:46

boundaries are. And, you know, so I like to look

Meredith Oke: 00:29:51

at it objectively. There are emotional. There are

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very emotional moments. I mean, I've had people

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where I'm doing myofascial release or fascial

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maneuvers on them and shoulder. Like out here,

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just in the fascia wasn't even on a muscle, not a

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joint. I had a hold of something very not fun for

Meredith Oke: 00:30:10

the patient. And as that lets go, there's

Meredith Oke: 00:30:14

actually a loud pop almost so you would hear if

Meredith Oke: 00:30:16

you popped your neck. But it's out in the fascia

Meredith Oke: 00:30:18

that pots. There is a flood of emotion and

Meredith Oke: 00:30:21

instant relief because it's now gone. The

Meredith Oke: 00:30:25

restriction, the containment has been let go. So

Meredith Oke: 00:30:30

now there is more flow, sound, light, water and

Meredith Oke: 00:30:34

movement. That's what the body wants, and it

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wants that flow. We are water beings. We don't

Meredith Oke: 00:30:40

want stagnation. So the primary thing in letting

Meredith Oke: 00:30:43

go of trauma is going to be fascial maneuvers,

Meredith Oke: 00:30:46

because you have to Manipulate it out of the

Meredith Oke: 00:30:47

body. Internal trauma has to be healed from the

Meredith Oke: 00:30:50

inside out. That's our mental speak. All that

Meredith Oke: 00:30:53

junk we've done to ourselves, the physical. All

Meredith Oke: 00:30:56

the junk. I mean, just everything you do to the

Meredith Oke: 00:30:58

internal body, sometimes that external trauma has

Meredith Oke: 00:31:01

to be healed from the outside in. So let's say if

Meredith Oke: 00:31:04

I had my trauma, sexual abuse, that was just the

Meredith Oke: 00:31:07

backdrop to my story. And so now, as I'm working

Meredith Oke: 00:31:10

with. I have Troy work on me. She's doing work on

Meredith Oke: 00:31:13

my abdominal area. And it's almost like you took

Meredith Oke: 00:31:16

a black dagger out of my lower abdomen. And it's

Meredith Oke: 00:31:20

that relief of, oh, my gosh, there's the energy

Meredith Oke: 00:31:22

that is gone. I don't have to carry that anymore.

Meredith Oke: 00:31:26

It becomes more of a memory than an experience

Meredith Oke: 00:31:29

that you're still experiencing 30 years later or

Meredith Oke: 00:31:33

however old you are, you know, so it makes it a

Meredith Oke: 00:31:36

very interesting and much more beneficial

Meredith Oke: 00:31:39

treatment when you can go through all of those

Meredith Oke: 00:31:41

areas, because we talk about root disease, root

Meredith Oke: 00:31:44

causes all the time, but it's not. It's the

Meredith Oke: 00:31:46

seeds, the little seeds of trauma that start to

Meredith Oke: 00:31:50

develop those roots and give rise to roots. And

Meredith Oke: 00:31:53

so when you get to that little seed down there,

Meredith Oke: 00:31:56

you can have healing on all these different

Meredith Oke: 00:31:59

levels.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:01

Right. The seeds of trauma.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:04

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah. Body keeps the score, right? There's a

Meredith Oke: 00:32:06

whole book about it.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:07

Yes. Yeah, there is. And it's. It's interesting

Meredith Oke: 00:32:11

to watch. Just sort of in the popular

Meredith Oke: 00:32:14

consciousness, the idea of trauma was just

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something that was never just discussed. Then it

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was discussed, and now it's sort of like front

Meredith Oke: 00:32:22

and center, but in a way where it's like, oh,

Meredith Oke: 00:32:24

you. You have trauma and you were triggered. We

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have to reconfigure society to never trigger

Meredith Oke: 00:32:30

anybody ever. And it's like. I don't know that

Meredith Oke: 00:32:34

that's necessarily, like, what you're saying.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:36

It's like, no, we need to heal ourselves so we're

Meredith Oke: 00:32:39

not so easily triggered.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:40

Dr. Tina Hills: Well, yeah, it's your trigger. Your trigger is

Meredith Oke: 00:32:42

just simply showing you where you need to heal.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:45

Yeah. That's all it is. It doesn't have to be

Meredith Oke: 00:32:48

some big dramatic event. I mean, sometimes it is.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:50

I still have. I still break down and cry. You

Meredith Oke: 00:32:52

know, if I have, it comes in, you feel it, you

Meredith Oke: 00:32:56

experience and let it go. Because what's coming

Meredith Oke: 00:32:58

is going. But also true. What's yours is yours,

Meredith Oke: 00:33:01

what's mine is mine. No passingada. And when

Meredith Oke: 00:33:04

you're triggered, you start to lash out at

Meredith Oke: 00:33:05

people, and that's not okay, because that's not

Meredith Oke: 00:33:08

their fault. It's what you hold inside that you

Meredith Oke: 00:33:12

need to handle. And when you handle your stuff,

Meredith Oke: 00:33:14

then you can turn around and look at everybody

Meredith Oke: 00:33:16

else with compassion and say, let me help you

Meredith Oke: 00:33:18

through yours. And that's the difference. And

Meredith Oke: 00:33:21

that's the integration is because you have to

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start to spread it out and create that butterfly

Meredith Oke: 00:33:26

effect and the overall shift in the consciousness.

Meredith Oke: 00:33:30

Yes. And that integration piece is so important.

Meredith Oke: 00:33:33

I'm glad, I'm glad that you've brought it up so

Meredith Oke: 00:33:35

many times, because I do find, and I think so, I

Meredith Oke: 00:33:39

think there's a part of the journey where we are

Meredith Oke: 00:33:41

just in information collecting mode. We're in

Meredith Oke: 00:33:46

knowledge expanding mode. But then at some point

Meredith Oke: 00:33:50

that needs to translate into something real. So I

Meredith Oke: 00:33:55

can read. You know, I remember I was like reading

Meredith Oke: 00:33:59

about why you would wear blue blocking glasses if

Meredith Oke: 00:34:02

you were on a screen at night for like months

Meredith Oke: 00:34:05

before I actually went on the Internet and

Meredith Oke: 00:34:07

ordered some and put them on my face. So there

Meredith Oke: 00:34:10

was the integration. So, like going outside in

Meredith Oke: 00:34:14

the morning, blocking light, like that's an

Meredith Oke: 00:34:16

integration. But I think it's also. And the one

Meredith Oke: 00:34:21

where we get a little more tripped up is some of

Meredith Oke: 00:34:23

this other stuff that you're talking about. The

Meredith Oke: 00:34:26

internal monologues, the way we see the world,

Meredith Oke: 00:34:28

the belief systems. Like, it's, it's, you know, I

Meredith Oke: 00:34:31

know people who can talk about that stuff, they

Meredith Oke: 00:34:33

can write about that stuff, but they're not. But

Meredith Oke: 00:34:37

it's not being applied.

Meredith Oke: 00:34:40

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:34:40

And we're not being integrated.

Meredith Oke: 00:34:42

Dr. Tina Hills: Our practice, our daily practice is integration

Meredith Oke: 00:34:46

because we've taken. We. We've put ourselves in a

Meredith Oke: 00:34:49

constant ceremony because it's made such a

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difference in our lives across the board. And so

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every day we are, you know, and it's a practice,

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and it's what you develop. It's what you develop.

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You know, you. The coherence thing, meditation,

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you have to meditate, you have to have that quiet

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time, talk to your body, bring it back into

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communication. The breath work. If you control

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your breath, you can control everything because

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it's that you take a little inspiration, hold it

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for a second, give yourself a long exhale.

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Stimulates your parasympathetic, pulls you out of

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Fight or Flight, gives a little bit of space and

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lets you actually make a decision instead of a

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reaction. And so, you know, number one, we're

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gonna. We gotta pull you out of Fight or Flight.

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That's that meditation, breath work. Learn how to

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get your body out of that. And the, the easiest

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way to do it is take an inhale and then a longer

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exhale because it stimulates that vagal nerve

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that comes right here and turns it into

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parasympathetic fight or flight is down, chills

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out the body. It says, everything's okay. Let's

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see what we're doing now. You know, and I think

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that's one of the greatest things about the ER

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too, is because it's made me. It. It teaches you

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how to speak, how to think with logic in

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incredibly emotional situations. Yes. Come and

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see me, Ari. It's not a good day. If they see

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work, it is not a good day. It is not. And so,

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you know, it's. It's been an experience and it's

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one that we. We're so excited to share because it

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has changed everyone that we talk to about this.

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With sunlight, the water, just the things that

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we've been mentioning, it changes their lives

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instantly. But people need to know, again, it is

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not a quick fix. You can have immediate results,

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but it takes about a year, it really takes a good

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year to have your body make that turn all the way

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to this direction. And walking down the health

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route, you know, it just takes a little bit of

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time. And so be patient with yourself.

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Yeah, yeah. And remember, it's a journey. I

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think, you know, we all want to find the smoking

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gun, the root cause, the one thing that is

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responsible for all the bad stuff that's

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happening to our health. But it's. Yeah, it's

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multifactorial, it's ongoing, it's nonlinear.

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I've been hearing from a lot of people lately who

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are. Who started doing all of the circadian

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things and then just had incredible insomnia

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descend upon them.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Interesting.

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And it turns out they had some emotional. There

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was an emotional trauma layer.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Sure.

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And it was, like, sitting underneath. So when

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they got every. You know, their body was in

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rhythm and everything was working. It was almost

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like, oh, okay, it does.

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Dr. Tina Hills: It will do that.

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Here comes a few more things for you to deal

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with. And you are going to be awake all night

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until you do you deal.

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Dr. Tina Hills: With it because it's going to come knocking on

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your door. But fasting does that to you. If you

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go on any kind of food cleanse or fasting, it

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brings all of that to the. To the surface because

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it's getting all that junk out. And fast can be

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incredibly emotional because you're releasing and

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you're letting go of all that. All the toxins.

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Yeah, right. Yeah. This is a really important

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thing to bring up now that we're. Now that we're

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talking about it. So I was thinking about it a.

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The insomnia but now you're talking about the

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fasting. It's like. And that's why we talk about

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it non linearly. So we could do all of these

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things to get our body back in balance and to

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have our, our rhythms functioning properly. And

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it's like, because our body's experiencing that

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safety and that coherence, there may be all kinds

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of surprises. And it's like, why am I worse? I'm

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doing all the things.

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Dr. Tina Hills: But you're not worse.

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You're not worse.

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Dr. Tina Hills: You're not worse.

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You're releasing better.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Because now your body says, I'm safe enough to

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handle this.

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Yes.

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Dr. Tina Hills: And that's, you know, have a friend. Phone a

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friend. Yeah, someone that you can trust. Someone

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that you. That has been through it already.

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Someone who can guide you to the next step.

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Because, you know, with Troy and I, what we

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really focus on, we had this, this great

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relationship because we worked before we were

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together. And so it really let us have this trust

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and this completely different perspective of what

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a relationship is going to be. And so what we.

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When we've got, while we've gone down this path,

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it'll be like one of us gets a little bit ahead

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and then we say, okay, come on, catch up. So it's

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kind of this stepwise pattern and we've done that

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with each other the whole time. Okay, I found

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this. This is really working. This isn't working.

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Let's try this. And we kind of pull each other

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along. And so I liken it to rolling a ball

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appeal. She's in her bubble, I'm in my bubble.

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We're pushing the ball together, and we have to

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keep it even going up the hill. And so everything

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we do is focusing on that. We don't look behind

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us. If something comes up from behind, we say,

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man, that really, that was kind of sucked. We got

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to get over that. Let's. How do we get over this?

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And we work through it and then we just keep

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pushing that ball because it's a lot more fun to

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play games with that ball than it is to think

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about what happened in the past. But we've

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already dealt with it, so we're not ignoring it.

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We've already moved through it and let it process

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through our bodies and, and, and our emotional

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state. And like, okay, if I had this happen when

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I was a child, here's the tool I learned that I

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had. How can I make that a beneficial tool? Get

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rid of the ones that no longer serve. Don't use

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them anymore. Tools being all of the things we've

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talked about your emotional sport. Just different

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tools that you gain.

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Yeah. And I think people are drawn to different

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things. And you know, like, I was very drawn to

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tools that were very cerebral and word oriented

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because that's how I, you know, that's how I'm

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cognitively oriented. So things where I would,

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would do a lot of writing, a lot of journaling, a

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lot of like writing down my thoughts and

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questioning them on paper and other people, I was

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like, this is amazing, Try it. And they were

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like, I, I hate this. I'm. It's. What are you

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talking about? Like, this is useless. But I found

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it, like completely change, transformed my life,

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like in a profound way. But that's what I was

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drawn to. So.

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Dr. Tina Hills: But that was your patient, right? So it's your

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quiet time, it's your time with yourself. It's

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reflection and, and so it works for you. That

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does not work for me.

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That's what I learned. So other people, you know,

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like. Yeah, like my brother, for example, he, he

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started like running marathons. Just being in

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constant, like being, being in physical movement

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all of the time. And that's, that's his play,

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that's his meditation practice, I would say.

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Okay, you mentioned something earlier that I want

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to circle back to and then I'm going to open it

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up because this is a podcast interview and also a

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QVC Pro member event. So we have a few people on

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Liselle Violeta. If anyone has questions, put

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them in the chat or you're welcome to jump on if

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you want to unmute yourself to do that. So I'll

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circle back to you in a second. But Tina, you

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mentioned earlier that you worked for a small

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local independent hospital that got bought by a

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conglomerate and a lot of things changed. Tell

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us, like, what changed? How is it different? What

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did you learn about the healthcare system in that

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experience?

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Dr. Tina Hills: I was, well, I was, you know, I was, I was safely

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protected in the military for a long time, so I

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didn't have to deal with the reality of what was

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going on in the hospital system. And so we had

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the last physician owned hospital in Texas and it

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was a private group and it was a democratic

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group. And when the conglomerate came in first,

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they took that group, they bought the group

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first. And they totally dictate how you can

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practice medicine. You don't have free thought

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anymore on how you practice. There's very certain

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things that you have to do. Everything is on a

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time. You have two minutes to see a patient, you

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have five minutes to start a chart, you have one

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hour to get them to just, just everything was

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like timed and if you didn't make those, that

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you're getting in trouble for not making those

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time. It was just a completely different

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environment.

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And you're used to. I'm used to giving self love

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messages to the depressed guy with a dislocated

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shoulder. And they're like, no, you have two and

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a half minutes.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.

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Wow.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

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Okay.

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Dr. Tina Hills: So it was, it's just corporate medicine versus a

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private practice almost, you know, just very,

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very different. And a lot of rules, a lot of

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rushing around, a lot of not fun, not fun for the

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patient. You know, it wasn't fun for us, but the

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patients were suffering.

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Right.

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Dr. Tina Hills: So I had to get out of there.

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Yeah, no, that's crazy because you are someone

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with your body of work who's bringing a lot more

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than just the very specific acute required

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response. You're bringing so much more to the

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table. And that model basically erases any chance

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of that happening.

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Dr. Tina Hills: We made it happen.

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You found a way. Yeah.

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Dr. Tina Hills: I Talked to probably seven out of 10 patients

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about some sort of quantum health. And they're

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very open people. People are, are just craving

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something different.

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So you are talking to them about this in the AR

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while they're in there?

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Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, yeah, all the time. I would have some

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discharge instructions because I have to meet a

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standard of care. So somebody comes in for a

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urinary tract infection, here's your antibiotic

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and here's your discharge instructions for uti.

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And here's how you get your gut back in shape

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after you take this antibiotic. Because it's

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going to make you have these emotional things

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that's going to make you have these physical

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things. And you need to get your body back in

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gear. It's going to take six months. And so it

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would have that conversation. And so that leads

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you all the way into see the sunrise, get in the

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uva, put your feet on the dirt. You know, it just

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leads you down that path. And so you get to talk

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to a lot of people about it. And everyone, even

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the especially nursing staff, had a friend of

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mine who was a nurse for a long time and ended up

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getting colon cancer at a very young age. And I

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said, man, get out there and start doing this

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circadian stuff. He text me at the two days into

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it, he text me, said, tina, I haven't felt this

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good in 10 years. Wow, two days. It's an

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immediate. That's what say you can have immediate

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results, but the, the actual change of

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symptomology and the disease process takes a

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little Bit longer.

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Right.

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Dr. Tina Hills: That takes about that year.

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Yeah, but. Yes, but. But your body getting back

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into rhythm can happen right away in the.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

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So I'm. So I'm. I'm really excited that

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everyone's into it.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah, everyone's. There was very few. And, you

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know, right when you start to talk to someone,

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whether they're going to listen to any kind of

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information outside of Western medicine, but it

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was a good 7 to 8 out of 10 people who were

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hungry for something different.

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Amazing. So for anyone listening who does work in

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a traditional healthcare model, tell us again how

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you slide in. You just put it in their

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instructions.

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Dr. Tina Hills: We're going to handle your illness at this time

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with these medicines. But when these medicines

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are done, you need to get your body back into a

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homeostatic place. You have to move it back

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because these medicines are going to do some

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damage while you're taking them. And we got to

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get you back over here where you started. And if

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you continue doing these practices, they'll

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actually heal your body.

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And. And people are receptive, Incredibly

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receptive. See, I love hearing that because so

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many people are like, yeah, no, but, you know,

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especially doctors, they're like, nobody cares.

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Nobody wants it. They just want the pill. They're

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not interested. And I'm like, are you sure? I

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feel like they are.

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Dr. Tina Hills: You're interested, especially when you get into

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people who are into any kind of. Of plant

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medicine and kind of know a little bit more

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information about how the system works and the

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game of life works. And people. People don't want

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it anymore. People know it's. It's just a band

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aid. You know, it's really good at controlling

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symptoms, but it's not doing anything else. And

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if you block something that the body's supposed

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to do naturally, it's always a disaster. And

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that's what most medications do in the long run,

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you know, so.

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Right.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Have a different perspective, though. Yeah,

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because I've experienced it and I live it every

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day. And now I'm, you know, all of us, all of our

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friend, everybody that we. We get on the same

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pattern. Our business partners, we make sure

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everybody's doing the same thing. We just got

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back from Las Vegas. We were going out there to

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do stem cells, and our business partner sat down.

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She'd been here all week having all the fruits

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and vegetables that we eat. Sat down to have one

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meal. She's like, I can't eat that anymore. She

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was almost sick. And from that point, that was

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her last regular, like, meal with gluten. And,

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you know, all the different things on her

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sandwich, she's like, nope, I can't do it

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anymore. I feel, it made me feel too badly. And

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so people get that shock after they've been

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exposed. And then it's, it's. Then it's a

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complete change.

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Right. And so just because people always like to

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know what do you recommend people to eat? And

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then questions. Throw them in the chat or put in

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the chat if you want to come on camera. Okay.

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Food.

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Dr. Tina Hills: We're vegan by choice.

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Okay.

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Dr. Tina Hills: And as the vibration of the body increases, as

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the health of the body increases, it really kind

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of chooses for you. I, every once in a while I

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get a really strong craving for some sort of

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meat. And if I don't sat, if I can't satisfy that

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with like mushrooms, beans, something like that,

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that has a little bit higher protein in it, then

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I'll have a little piece. But I make sure I have

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the best of the worst. I typically go with bison

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because I know that's going to be probably the

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cleanest. We don't really eat poultry anymore. I

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don't eat any eggs or dairy at all. Every once in

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a while, Troy will have an egg, they'll throw one

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in there. Just because she loves eggs, but she

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usually regrets it when she's done.

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Interesting.

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Dr. Tina Hills: But I tell people you have to figure out what

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your body likes because it depends on where

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you're starting. And so if you eat something, I

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want people to go very clean on their eating. Get

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out of processed foods. If you cannot read the

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label, put it back, you don't need it. Go to

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simple, whole natural foods and then start

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introducing things back. So get really super

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clean for about two weeks. Have an egg, see how

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you feel. Have a piece of cheese, see how you

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feel. And if it makes you feel anything but

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energized and feeling good, put it back and don't

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eat it anymore. Makes it really easy because it's

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you. That's the place where it becomes an

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individual program is the food. Because with like

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cold plunge, thermal therapies, circadian, that

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is across the board, good for everyone. Food is

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where it becomes a little bit more specialized to

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your body. And you have to make that decision,

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but you have to be honest with yourself about how

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you feel. You can't go down and sit, sit and have

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a big meal and then realize. And you just need to

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realize, okay, I'm not going to feel my energy

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core. I'm not going to feel as light. And then

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you kind of weave your way through it and work

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your way through what makes you feel good, you

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don't want to feel bloated, you don't want to

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feel heavy, you don't want to feel sleepy. Those

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are all things that the food is taking your

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energy instead of giving you energy.

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That's a really helpful way to look at it because

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I don't, I don't really, I don't bring food up

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much on this podcast as people probably notice,

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for the exact reason you just said. I'm like, you

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know what? I don't know, I don't know what you

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should eat.

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Dr. Tina Hills: All natural foods. You're not going to go wrong.

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Yes, I agreed. Yeah, within, yeah, like nobody

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should be eating hyper processed foods or foods

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that aren't real food. But beyond that, I'm like,

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I don't know.

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Dr. Tina Hills: You really want to stay away from seed oils. So

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if you're so again, the best of the worst. So we

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use a brand. I'm going to throw a shout out to

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cfe. They just got bought out so you have to

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watch them now. I got to make sure they don't

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change. They're made with avocado oil, you know,

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so it's like, so you start with, start with

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something that you know and you can start making

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substitutions that you. So instead of a regular

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chip, you get a chip that's made with avocado oil

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and cassava flour. So you're getting gluten free,

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grain free and so you can have that as a snack so

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you don't feel so deprived and you have your

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taste buds change. And so as, as you start to

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clean out your diet, your taste buds change. So

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just you be kind to yourself. Do not beat

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yourself up. I just read a study by Eric Topol

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out of California on Pro and it re just

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reintroduced the, the dosage of protein because

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everybody's still caught up on protein and you

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really want about 0.8 grams per kilogram in a

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day. If you're over 60. Out of his studies, he

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recommended 1.2 grams per kilograms of protein

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because when you get too much protein, then

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you're talking about kidney damage,

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cardiovascular disease, it's too much. Your body

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doesn't need that much. Plus your gut biome makes

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protein. If you clear off all those receptors and

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allow it to use the building blocks, the amino

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acids from fruits and vegetables, you're going to

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have enough protein because your body's going to

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make it. We calculated out our meal one day. We

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had 80 grams of protein and hadn't had dinner yet

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on fruit and a salad and, and healthy and so it's

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like you just need to just kind of change what

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you know and open yourself up to options.

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Right. So tell me, tell me, like, how you got

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protein from fruit and salad.

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Dr. Tina Hills: So protein is simply amino acids. The most

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bioavailable protein is beans, legumes and seeds.

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Nuts.

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Right.

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Dr. Tina Hills: About 20, 20, 25 of the protein and meat is

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bioavailable. The rest of it gets digested and

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pooped out.

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Yeah.

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Dr. Tina Hills: And your body. So your body takes that full

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protein, breaks it down into the amino acids it

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needs, and creates the proteins that it needs.

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Because your body's a protein factory. And so

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it's, It's. If you just eat the parts your body

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can make the protein that it needs, either one is

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fine.

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Right.

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Dr. Tina Hills: It's not wrong. Your body's intelligent.

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Yeah. And I think that's the, the important thing

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is we, we get a little dogmatic, especially about

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food. We people get dogmatic about everything.

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Dr. Tina Hills: And we really just try to make it as simple as

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possible and still have fun. And that's what it's

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about. You're here to have fun.

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You know, you know what? Yes. And that's circling

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back to where we started before. And I, I also

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just want to say, like, I do some of this, like,

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super esoteric people that I have followed or

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read over the years. They do say, they did say

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that as our frequency rises, our need to eat food

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will be reduced and our need to eat animal

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protein will be reduced. I'm not there yet, but I

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do see what you're saying. And so what we want to

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look for is not, is this on the good list or the

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bad list? But how do I feel after I eat it?

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Dr. Tina Hills: Right.

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How is my energy? How is this resonating with my

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frequency? Okay.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Changes day by day.

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Right? Yeah. And yes, in life moments, I've

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noticed things I used to enjoy and can no longer

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eat. But I do want to talk about. Yeah. The

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having fun. We're here to have fun. And at the

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beginning you said, oh, that moment where. Or not

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that moment, but reaching the point where you

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realized, like, it's okay to be happy.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.

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And it's okay to have fun and to make things fun.

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Unless it's impossible. Sometimes is impossible.

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But bounce back to the fun.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yes. Really, when you, if you give yourself that

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little pause and you can step back and really not

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get involved in the chaos and just really look at

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what's going on, most of it's just hilarious

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because we create our own drama. We do it all.

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It's like we're Creating our story as we go and

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wow, let's make it more fun. And I think that

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together it'll shift a lot faster.

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Yeah, I know. And we do. We make up these

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stories. I've had, like, a really busy couple

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weeks and like, I feel these moments where I'm

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like, I've only sanctioned your. And then I'm

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like, what are those things, Meredith? What are

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they? I'm like, oh, I get to interview Tina on a

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podcast. Oh, I get to help fundraise for my

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children's school district. Oh, I get to like,

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write a blog post. Like, these are great things.

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But my mind. My mind likes to take everything and

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just turn it into a storm cloud.

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Dr. Tina Hills: That's what we've been trying to do, you know,

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that's what. That's what everybody has taught you

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what to do. And so it's just change of

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perspective. The first thing that happens, change

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in perspective. And just saying, I'm really okay.

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I don't want to do this anymore because it hurts

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too much. What else can I do differently? And

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people will not change until the pain becomes too

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great, you know, and so don't wait that long.

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Yes.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Have fun before it gets too late.

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A good marker of growth. It's like, how little

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pain do I have to be in before I make a required

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change?

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Dr. Tina Hills: Perfect. Perfect.

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A little bit less each time. Hopefully a lot less

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each time. Quantum leaps. Let's think in quantum

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leaps.

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Dr. Tina Hills: There you go.

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Violeta wanted to jump in. Do you want to unmute

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yourself, Violeta? Hi.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Hi there.

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Nice to meet you, Violeta. I am. I'm a

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psychiatrist and I have various different roles.

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One is the emergency department. I'm actually.

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The reason I'm not on video is because I'm

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getting ready for my shift soon. And the other is

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neurotherapeutics. So amongst the. The procedures

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is ketamine administration, too.

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Dr. Tina Hills: What about. I'm sorry, what about it?

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That I administer ketamine as one of my other

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therapeutic tools.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, sorry, tool. Yeah.

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Yeah, it is. But the more. And right now I'm. I'm

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actually going to transition somewhat into a mod.

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A model where I can incorporate quantum concepts

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freely, which will be great. But one thing I have

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noticed, even in the current allopathic model

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where I'm administering ketamine, is how its

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limitations and it really doesn't suit everybody.

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And I'm wondering, given your experience or

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exposure, what do. What do people usually think

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about it? When I. When patients come to me, they

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have. They have, you know, thoughts that this is

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going to Address everything or that. It's. It's

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a. It's really like a harmless, harmless agent.

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What's. What has your experience been?

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Dr. Tina Hills: So typically, what will happen is you have that

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breakdown of the consciousness and the. And the

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ego just long enough to get you. Get you in the

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door. That is where the integration comes in.

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Plant medicine is simply a door that opens to a

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different perspective. That's all it's doing.

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Things like ayahuasca can actually get the trauma

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out, but when you have something like ketamine,

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you're overriding those. Those systems that are

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in place so that you can reprogram them. And that

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is why integration is the most important part of

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all of this. Because now I have somebody who is

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vulnerable, and we can say, okay, this is. This

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happens before you ever even give ketamine. You

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have this plan in place, in. Okay, what are we

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addressing? I do body work when I have people on

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it, and so I help get some of that trauma out.

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And as they're coming out, we are talking. We're

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talking about their trauma, what they experienced

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during the journey, how do we apply those things?

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And we really talk a lot about the experiences

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that we've had in both the ER and in our own

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lives. And that's telling. That story of how you

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integrate is going to be one of the most

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important things. You need to experience ketamine

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yourself. So you know what it feels like. Yeah.

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Opportunities like that for professionals are few

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and far between.

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Dr. Tina Hills: They are. But, you know, you have somebody with.

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There's tons of ketamine clinics that are

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starting to pop up. But that may be something

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that I would really consider because I wouldn't

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do anything that I would ask somebody to do. I

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would never send someone to Ayahuasca. I would

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never have anybody use psilocybin if I hadn't

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done it myself and knew what it felt like.

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Yeah. And I think perhaps a different. A

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different setting maybe, because I think it as

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you. Oh, I don't know. But in my current setting

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in allopathic medicine, where I practice, it's

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definitely not something. I think there would be

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some scrutiny.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is going to be

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something that's in a private practice where you

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have someone who's really cold, set and set is

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really isolated out. It's set and setting is

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everything. You have to set the intention. You

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have to set the space so that it's calm, it's.

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It's inviting, it is safe for that person. And as

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they start to go down, they have to be able to

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really let go, because people can still kind of

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hold on, and it becomes a little bit of a fight

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as they go down. But if you have them set, we're

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going to have fun today. We're going to do this

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work, but we're going to have fun. And the energy

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that you bring into that room is going to make

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the difference. When I was working on that guy

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with the shoulder, I was in a freestanding. I was

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called a freestanding er. He was the only one

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there, and so I had all the time in the world to

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spend with him. And then I had a few patients

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trickle in, but my attention was. I had had the

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ability to give my patient that. That attention.

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And so if I do it now, it's not typically in the

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er. It's typically done in right over there on

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that couch, actually. Or people can come over

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here and they lay down right there and have a

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great experience. And it, like I said, just when

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you guide them, it depends on how you hold that

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space and how you control that space. That. Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, definitely.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Dr. Tina Hills: You're so welcome.

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Thanks, Violeta. Good to see you. All right,

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Tina, this was amazing. We'll have to do it again

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sometime.

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Dr. Tina Hills: All right.

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And any. Are there any last thoughts coming to

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you that you want to share? I think. Feel like

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there might be.

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Dr. Tina Hills: I think we got it out okay. I think got a. I

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think we have a good one for the day. That's a

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lot to think about for people.

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Yeah, it is. We. We covered. We covered a lot of

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bases there.

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Dr. Tina Hills: We did cover a lot of bases.

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And so, yeah, just maybe after you listen to

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this, go for a little walk, or maybe you're

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already out for a walk and let it process.

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Dr. Tina Hills: And I'm happy to have people reach out to me and

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ask me questions. I'm easy. Really, really super

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easy to find me online. And so just reach out.

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So, yes, let's tell people how to find you. So

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you have a private practice. Is that in Florida?

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Dr. Tina Hills: It's a concierge, actually. So we kind of go. But

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I have heal me backslash. Dr. Tina Hills is

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probably the easiest. Our website is being redone

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right now, and so it's taken. It's under

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construction. That's probably the easiest. Other

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than Instagram. It's Progressive Health

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Management. PHMX or Dr. Tina Hillsdio.

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Either one on Instagram. Okay. And yeah, look up

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Tina. Connect with her. And yeah, thanks for

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being an amazing. An amazing light in the world.

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Dr. Tina Hills: You brought this. This knowledge into the world

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and exactly when it was needed. Man, and it's

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just. Thank you. Thank you. Because you

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participated in my healing journey to a point

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that I cannot even express my gratitude. You and

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Carrie and everybody. And I truly appreciate it

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because I wouldn't be here without you. So thank

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you.

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Thank you, Tina. Thank you so much. I look

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forward to chatting with you again and covering

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even more.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah. Talk about something more specific next

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time so we can.

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Yeah, I love to do that. Yeah, do, like, a big,

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broad overview, and then next time we can go

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deep. Deep. Maybe ayahuasca or something. I

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haven't gone deep on that yet.

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Dr. Tina Hills: All right, girl.

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All right. Thank you.

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Dr. Tina Hills: Bye. Bye.