Episode 137

137: Sunlight, Spirit & Sovereignty: Katelyn Simmons on Energetic Liberation

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"We're energy, we can raise our vibration, we can raise our frequency. It's just incredible," says Katelyn Simmons, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to share her transformative journey from traditional massage therapy to energy healing and quantum biology. Katelyn explains how she discovered the missing piece in her holistic health practice—energy work—and how it revolutionized not only her clients' healing but her own.

Katelyn discusses the power of releasing trapped emotions, the importance of grounding and sunlight exposure, and how these practices have dramatically improved her life and her baby's well-being. She delves into the misconceptions surrounding energy healing in Christian communities and how quantum biology has actually strengthened her faith.

Tune in to today's episode to learn about the intersection of energy healing, quantum biology, and spirituality, and discover how simple daily practices can lead to profound healing and transformation.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Start your day with morning sunlight exposure, even for just a few minutes. This helps set your circadian rhythm and provides numerous health benefits.

2. Practice grounding by going outside barefoot on grass or soil regularly. This can help reduce inflammation and improve overall wellbeing.

3. Explore energy healing techniques like the Emotion Code to release trapped emotions. This may help address underlying issues causing physical or emotional distress.

4. Be mindful of artificial light exposure, especially after sunset. Use dim, warm lighting in the evening and consider blue light blocking glasses.

5. Approach healing as a lifelong journey rather than a quick fix. Be patient with yourself as you peel back layers and address root causes over time.

Memorable Quotes

"As you raise your frequency and heal, you start to attract different things. The negative stuff doesn't stick to you anymore."

"Learning about sunrise light was probably the biggest game changer for me. It sets you up for the rest of the day - you precondition your skin, build that solar callus, and balance cortisol."

"We have to look at everything that affected our cells, mitochondria, muscles, and fascia - it's generational. We're peeling back these layers, and sometimes when your body gets the energy to address what's been underlying, it can be a little painful and frustrating."

Connect with Katelyn

Website: www.katelynsimmons.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katelynsimmonsofficial/

YouTube: http://youtube.com/@katelynsimmonsofficial

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/katelyn.carlson.14

Instagram course: https://katelynsimmons.teachable.com/p/instagram-academy-101

Resources Mentioned

The Emotion Code by Dr. Bradley Nelson - https://amzn.to/4ksjGZw

AO Scan technology: https://aoscanglobal.com/

Portal: The Art of Choosing Orgasmic, Pain-Free, Blissful Birth by Yolande Norris-Clark - https://amzn.to/4kunrgZ

Eileen McKusick's work on Biofield Tuning - https://biofieldtuning.com/

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

Hi, Katelyn Simmons. Welcome to the QVC podcast.

Katelyn Simmons:

Hello. Thank you so much, Meredith. I'm so

Katelyn Simmons:

excited to be here.

Meredith Oke:

So am I. I've been following your story, you

Meredith Oke:

know, since you took the certification a couple

Meredith Oke:

years ago. You were, like, one of the OG early

Meredith Oke:

adopters on that, and I've always wanted to chat

Meredith Oke:

with you about. And it just kind of now, you

Meredith Oke:

know, and then you were like, oh, she's having a

Meredith Oke:

baby. I'll leave her alone. And now your baby's

Meredith Oke:

one year old, so time to do a podcast.

Katelyn Simmons:

I'm so excited. And you're the first podcast I've

Katelyn Simmons:

ever been on, so this is, like, ultra special for

Katelyn Simmons:

me.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, well, I am honored, and I'm excited to tell

Meredith Oke:

your story and hear your. Hear your journey and

Meredith Oke:

share it with everyone, because it's a good one.

Meredith Oke:

And I also just want to mention Caitlin's.

Meredith Oke:

Katelyn's baby turned 1 on May 15, and my

Meredith Oke:

youngest turned 11 on May 15. And Nico Kennedy,

Meredith Oke:

who, many of you know, had her fifth baby on May

Meredith Oke:

15th. So we're just gonna all celebrate the May

Meredith Oke:

15th quantum babies. Okay, so you started your

Meredith Oke:

career in wellness as a massage therapist, and

Meredith Oke:

that took you through some experiences that led

Meredith Oke:

you down other paths. So let's start there.

Katelyn Simmons:

Okay. Well, 18, fresh out of high school. I knew

Katelyn Simmons:

I wanted to be in the holistic health world, and

Katelyn Simmons:

I didn't exactly know where that was going to

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lead. I thought maybe acupuncture or maybe become

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a naturopath or something. But I started with

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massage therapy and the local holistic health

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practitioner program near me, and then ended up

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falling in love with massage and built my own

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practice. After working for other people, I kind

Katelyn Simmons:

of got that entrepreneurial itch and was like, I

Katelyn Simmons:

gotta work for myself, and just started working

Katelyn Simmons:

with people and loving, helping people, because

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it's like, it was so tangible getting to put your

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hands on someone and then they come in feeling

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terrible and get up, and then they feel great.

Katelyn Simmons:

But I started to see where it wasn't, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

lasting. It was like, I could help them

Katelyn Simmons:

temporarily. But so many people were coming to me

Katelyn Simmons:

because they had chronic pain or chronic illness

Katelyn Simmons:

or whatever was chronic. And I had. Had. I got

Katelyn Simmons:

diagnosed with Lyme disease back when I was 13.

Katelyn Simmons:

So that was also something in my story where I

Katelyn Simmons:

was, like, also trying to figure out what was

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going on with me and how I could get really

Katelyn Simmons:

better all the way. So that led me to the

Katelyn Simmons:

lymphatic system. Once I learned about how, you

Katelyn Simmons:

know, why were people so puffy and why would why

Katelyn Simmons:

would the inflammation go down when we would do

Katelyn Simmons:

massage? And so I got trained in lymphatic

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enhancement technology and bought this fancy

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equipment for my office and then started seeing

Katelyn Simmons:

better results with my clients. But still, it was

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like, okay, well, why is their lymphatic system

Katelyn Simmons:

not ever doing it on their own? Like, why is it

Katelyn Simmons:

still stuck? And why are people feeling great

Katelyn Simmons:

maybe for a week or two after they see me? And

Katelyn Simmons:

then having this downhill slump? I need to come

Katelyn Simmons:

back. Because it kind of felt like, wow, these

Katelyn Simmons:

are lifelong clients. That's not. That didn't sit

Katelyn Simmons:

right with me because that's what the Western

Katelyn Simmons:

model felt like.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Katelyn Simmons:

And I had already been through that rabbit hole.

Meredith Oke:

You wanted to be part of something that was

Meredith Oke:

actually helping them stay better.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Not just have a temporary and.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah. Like, be empowered. So then that led me to

Katelyn Simmons:

becoming an integrative health practitioner and

Katelyn Simmons:

learning about supplements and getting trained in

Katelyn Simmons:

all these different things and just certification

Katelyn Simmons:

after certification searching. Meanwhile, I was

Katelyn Simmons:

still not feeling my best. And I would go into

Katelyn Simmons:

work and love my clients and help my clients and

Katelyn Simmons:

then basically go home feeling terrible after and

Katelyn Simmons:

picking up their energy, feeling drained, feeling

Katelyn Simmons:

exhausted, and just. Just knew something was

Katelyn Simmons:

missing. But I couldn't figure it out. Right.

Meredith Oke:

Because you've done all the things. You had the

Meredith Oke:

massage training, you had the lymphatic training,

Meredith Oke:

you had integrative holistic supplement training.

Meredith Oke:

And it.

Katelyn Simmons:

It's.

Meredith Oke:

That seems like all the things.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah. And it did.

Meredith Oke:

It feels like that should cover it.

Katelyn Simmons:

It did.

Meredith Oke:

When most people enter a holistic healing,

Meredith Oke:

they're like, yeah, that sounds good. That's all

Meredith Oke:

the things.

Katelyn Simmons:

Exactly.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Katelyn Simmons:

And, you know, I really didn't know there was

Katelyn Simmons:

more. The only thing I knew I hadn't looked into

Katelyn Simmons:

was energy. Right. But as my belief system as a

Katelyn Simmons:

Christian growing up with this, you know, I guess

Katelyn Simmons:

the paradigm is you stay away from that stuff.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, I remember feeling so uncomfortable in my

Katelyn Simmons:

massage class just because people were talking

Katelyn Simmons:

about crystals. Now I laugh, but it is something

Katelyn Simmons:

that's real. People are really actually afraid of

Katelyn Simmons:

a lot of this side of things that we're talking

Katelyn Simmons:

about because they don't understand.

Meredith Oke:

I would love to understand a little bit more

Meredith Oke:

about that because I actually did not know that

Meredith Oke:

until recently. Until, you know, we. I started

Meredith Oke:

getting involved in this world and, you know,

Meredith Oke:

switched from creating corporate consulting

Meredith Oke:

programs to helping create quantum biology

Meredith Oke:

programs. And this has come up several times with

Meredith Oke:

different people. And I was raised in the

Meredith Oke:

Anglican Church, which in the United States is

Meredith Oke:

the Episcopalian church. We didn't really have

Meredith Oke:

rules like that. It was a very kind of standard

Meredith Oke:

religion where you went and you, you know, they

Meredith Oke:

didn't really say much about what you did outside

Meredith Oke:

of church. And I just, I didn't know that there

Meredith Oke:

was this deep belief where. So if you could

Meredith Oke:

explain it to me. Is it. My understanding is that

Meredith Oke:

it's like seen as like a form of maybe witchcraft

Meredith Oke:

or.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Evil. Evil manipulation of things that we

Meredith Oke:

shouldn't be messing around with.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah, it's.

Meredith Oke:

Or how is it framed?

Katelyn Simmons:

I think it's probably different each person and

Katelyn Simmons:

what they were taught and what the environment

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probably felt like as a child or what they were

Katelyn Simmons:

taught in church. For me it was looked at like

Katelyn Simmons:

it's New Age. New Age was just basically this far

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off thing that you didn't even want to learn

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about. Like it's evil, it's wrong, it's

Katelyn Simmons:

witchcraft. And that was a whole. That was where

Katelyn Simmons:

my paradigm started to shift was because I was

Katelyn Simmons:

thrown right into it. I went from like sheltered

Katelyn Simmons:

little Caitlyn Christian everything to massage

Katelyn Simmons:

school where then I. Everything in my life,

Katelyn Simmons:

everyone that came in was more New age than

Katelyn Simmons:

anything I had learned. So. And it was just

Katelyn Simmons:

something that you didn't know about or like

Katelyn Simmons:

crystals, those were evil. You see a crystal

Katelyn Simmons:

shop, you don't go in there. That's witchcraft.

Katelyn Simmons:

There's only witches in there. Like it's. And

Katelyn Simmons:

it's not really talked about a lot. It's just you

Katelyn Simmons:

just know you, you're not supposed to do it and

Katelyn Simmons:

you don't learn anything about it or. Does that

Katelyn Simmons:

make sense?

Meredith Oke:

Yes, it's just sort of like an off limits. Yeah,

Meredith Oke:

an off limits topic. And yeah, like I could, I

Meredith Oke:

can kind of understand because as with anything,

Meredith Oke:

if you take it to its extreme or you do it

Meredith Oke:

without ethics or, or grounding or, you know, you

Meredith Oke:

have an experienced mentor or guide, like the New

Meredith Oke:

Age movement could go way off the rails. So. Or

Meredith Oke:

the, the things that are involved in it. So I do

Meredith Oke:

understand from a certain perspective that you

Meredith Oke:

would want to protect people from that.

Katelyn Simmons:

And I think then as someone who is really like,

Katelyn Simmons:

I'm really strong in my belief. I'm not. I didn't

Katelyn Simmons:

like leave. I still love Jesus. I'm still a

Katelyn Simmons:

Christian. Like it's just hard for me to want to

Katelyn Simmons:

be connected to the religion side of it because

Katelyn Simmons:

then I feel like it's this weird in between of

Katelyn Simmons:

just trying to explain. Like this is just energy.

Katelyn Simmons:

This is just how, if you believe in God, this is

Katelyn Simmons:

how God made you. This is how you're Made like

Katelyn Simmons:

it's what you're made of. Yeah, just simplifying

Katelyn Simmons:

it and breaking it down. Like, I don't think

Katelyn Simmons:

anyone needs to be afraid of this stuff. And, you

Katelyn Simmons:

know, fear. We know fear is such a low frequency.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, that's like the worst frequency to be

Katelyn Simmons:

vibrating at. And so helping people switch from

Katelyn Simmons:

fear to actual discernment, where you're really

Katelyn Simmons:

using critical thinking skills and actually

Katelyn Simmons:

looking at things. And, you know, if you read the

Katelyn Simmons:

Bible and you believe the Bible, the Bible just

Katelyn Simmons:

clearly says what to do. And the Bible doesn't

Katelyn Simmons:

say anything about, like, specifically New Age or

Katelyn Simmons:

energy or frequency. And actually, as I've

Katelyn Simmons:

learned more, it strengthened my faith, and it's

Katelyn Simmons:

made me look at the things I've grown up with and

Katelyn Simmons:

read in the Bible and made me realize, wow,

Katelyn Simmons:

laying on of hands, taking every thought captive,

Katelyn Simmons:

like distance walking on water. Like, all of the

Katelyn Simmons:

miracles, they make sense. It's like, whoa, we

Katelyn Simmons:

live in a quantum universe, and that's how we

Katelyn Simmons:

were created. So I think everybody, if you've

Katelyn Simmons:

struggled with that, you really just try to have

Katelyn Simmons:

an open mind and look at the science, look at

Katelyn Simmons:

the. Look at what everything on your podcast,

Katelyn Simmons:

like, everything points back to strengthening

Katelyn Simmons:

your faith. If that's where you come from, if.

Meredith Oke:

That makes sense, that makes perfect sense. And,

Meredith Oke:

Katelyn, you explain that really beautifully. So

Meredith Oke:

I'm really glad you're doing this podcast, and I

Meredith Oke:

hope you do a lot more because you have really

Meredith Oke:

connected, I think, made a connection that is

Meredith Oke:

going to be really profound and powerful for

Meredith Oke:

people.

Katelyn Simmons:

I hope so. I hope so, because I just see, you

Katelyn Simmons:

know, I don't believe that anyone was put on this

Katelyn Simmons:

Earth to have to live a painful life. I think

Katelyn Simmons:

that everyone is worthy and capable and, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

it's your birthright to be healthy and blessed

Katelyn Simmons:

and abundant. And for some reason, a lot of stuff

Katelyn Simmons:

in religion says otherwise. And I just want to

Katelyn Simmons:

shed light on that. Like, and this, all. This all

Katelyn Simmons:

points to that. That, like, we're energy, we can

Katelyn Simmons:

raise our vibration, we can raise our frequency.

Katelyn Simmons:

It's just. It's incredible.

Meredith Oke:

It really is. And I love the word that you used

Meredith Oke:

instead of fear. You didn't say faith, you didn't

Meredith Oke:

say trust. You said discernment. And I think that

Meredith Oke:

is a really good word choice and really profound

Meredith Oke:

because nobody's saying, like, oh, just believe

Meredith Oke:

everything we say. It's. Use your. Use your best

Meredith Oke:

judgment at what makes sense. As you explore

Meredith Oke:

these new paradigms, as you explore the available

Meredith Oke:

research, as you connect to your own inner

Meredith Oke:

wisdom, what feels true and what, what does the

Meredith Oke:

evidence point to? And that's not just fully

Meredith Oke:

rejecting something out of fear and not just

Meredith Oke:

fully embracing something out of. Out of faith,

Meredith Oke:

but moving toward it.

Katelyn Simmons:

I mean, then you'd be watching TV and say, oh,

Katelyn Simmons:

yeah, that's true, that's true. Everything. Like,

Katelyn Simmons:

that's terrible. I tell people that all the time.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, don't take what I say for truth. Look it up

Katelyn Simmons:

yourself. I even got a message recently, someone

Katelyn Simmons:

saying, like, can you tell me? Like, she was

Katelyn Simmons:

really intense about one of the products I share.

Katelyn Simmons:

I shared about Sheilajit. And it was like, well,

Katelyn Simmons:

what's this? What's that? I'm like, I don't know

Katelyn Simmons:

all the specifics. You can look at all the brands

Katelyn Simmons:

and make a decision for yourself. You don't have

Katelyn Simmons:

to use what I use. So we have to use discernment

Katelyn Simmons:

in everything? Yes, everything we buy. When you

Katelyn Simmons:

go to the grocery store, use your critical

Katelyn Simmons:

thinking and pick what works for you.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, absolutely. And your discernment. When

Meredith Oke:

listening to podcasts, I feel like sometimes

Meredith Oke:

you'll have a favorite podcast host and they'll

Meredith Oke:

be talking about a thing and you're like, oh, I

Meredith Oke:

better take that or do it or order it. It's like,

Meredith Oke:

maybe, maybe not. Again, your inner discernment

Meredith Oke:

on it. Okay, so let's circle back to your

Meredith Oke:

journey. So you had become very well educated in

Meredith Oke:

the kind of baseline natural health modalities

Meredith Oke:

that a lot of us know. Massage therapy, lymphatic

Meredith Oke:

drainage, supplements. And it helped. But you

Meredith Oke:

still, even though you felt intellectually like,

Meredith Oke:

okay, these are all the things you felt inside.

Meredith Oke:

Like, there's something, there's something more.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah. And my, my body was screaming at me too.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, it. There was clear signs, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

something's missing. Because I was still

Katelyn Simmons:

struggling, not healing from trauma I had been

Katelyn Simmons:

through. I'd been through a lot of trauma care.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, I had chronic lower back pain from an

Katelyn Simmons:

accident I had been in. I had anxiety,

Katelyn Simmons:

depression, ptsd. I couldn't drive my car to my

Katelyn Simmons:

office without having to plan to literally be

Katelyn Simmons:

able to pull over and work through a panic

Katelyn Simmons:

attack. Like, I was holding it together with

Katelyn Simmons:

trying to help my clients and trying to help

Katelyn Simmons:

myself. And just literally by the end of the day,

Katelyn Simmons:

it was like there were days I would crawl up the

Katelyn Simmons:

stairs to my apartment. Like, it was just so

Katelyn Simmons:

intense. Like, I knew something was wrong, but I

Katelyn Simmons:

was like, how could something be wrong when I

Katelyn Simmons:

have a sauna? I had a full size sauna in my tiny

Katelyn Simmons:

apartment in Southern California. My poor husband

Katelyn Simmons:

was like, everything is well. Like, I had

Katelyn Simmons:

everything you could possibly imagine that you

Katelyn Simmons:

know, of in the root cause community. And I. So

Katelyn Simmons:

it got to a point where I just was like,

Katelyn Simmons:

something has to change. I. And I made a

Katelyn Simmons:

decision. I remember the day I was looking at my

Katelyn Simmons:

life, like, something has to change. I have to

Katelyn Simmons:

heal. I have to get better. I have to find what

Katelyn Simmons:

I'm missing. And so I prayed, and it was like

Katelyn Simmons:

this divine download that I can't even. I don't

Katelyn Simmons:

even know how. It just was like, Search Energy

Katelyn Simmons:

healing. Christian energy healing on Instagram.

Katelyn Simmons:

It was so clear. It was like. And I never had

Katelyn Simmons:

thought of that. I was like, christian energy.

Meredith Oke:

Christian energy healing. I love how specific

Meredith Oke:

these intuitive hits can be. Beautiful. Okay.

Katelyn Simmons:

It was crazy. And so I did. And it's still. It

Katelyn Simmons:

still just makes me laugh because it's like, wow.

Katelyn Simmons:

It. It. And it's been there, like, so many. After

Katelyn Simmons:

I, you know, told my parents about it and worked

Katelyn Simmons:

through the certifications and all these things,

Katelyn Simmons:

my mom was like, you know, how many people have

Katelyn Simmons:

told us about this, like, over the years, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

we've been.

Meredith Oke:

So anyways, told them about Christian energy.

Katelyn Simmons:

Healing, like, specifically the emotion code and,

Katelyn Simmons:

like, energy work, like, releasing trapped

Katelyn Simmons:

emotions. And, you know, none of us, like, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

what is that? Who cares? So it took, like, really

Katelyn Simmons:

getting to a breaking point and just being

Katelyn Simmons:

desperate and praying and making that decision.

Katelyn Simmons:

I'm gonna change. My life has to shift. And then

Katelyn Simmons:

I came across on Instagram from that search

Katelyn Simmons:

Christian, who did the emotion code. And so I

Katelyn Simmons:

clicked on it and she was fully booked. And so I

Katelyn Simmons:

thought, okay, I'm just gonna look up what is the

Katelyn Simmons:

emotion code. If she thinks it's okay, I better

Katelyn Simmons:

look into it because at this point, I have to

Katelyn Simmons:

have an open mind. And, you know, I. I had

Katelyn Simmons:

already been doing, like, bioresonance in my

Katelyn Simmons:

practice. I had some of the frequency stuff.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, my lymphatic machine was frequency back

Katelyn Simmons:

when I was 13, that one of the things that really

Katelyn Simmons:

helped me from Lyme so that I could be well

Katelyn Simmons:

enough to go to high school was pulsed

Katelyn Simmons:

electromagnetic field therapy. And we knew about

Katelyn Simmons:

red light. Like, we knew a lot of the frequency

Katelyn Simmons:

stuff, but not to this extent. So anyways, I went

Katelyn Simmons:

to the emotion code website and signed up for the

Katelyn Simmons:

certification that day. I'm going to learn how to

Katelyn Simmons:

do this and teach myself. I love it. And that,

Katelyn Simmons:

that was the start because I started learning,

Katelyn Simmons:

like, Dr. Bradley Nelson puts it into really

Katelyn Simmons:

amazing. Like, just. He breaks it down so good.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, your energy, you're made of 99.99999%

Katelyn Simmons:

energy. And you have emotions, and your organs

Katelyn Simmons:

create emotions, and if you don't let them go and

Katelyn Simmons:

they get trapped, they're going to block energy,

Katelyn Simmons:

and so you're going to be in pain, and they can

Katelyn Simmons:

affect everything in your life. So then I learned

Katelyn Simmons:

how to muscle test, which I had been wanting to

Katelyn Simmons:

learn muscle testing for so long because there

Katelyn Simmons:

were chiropractors I went to who did it, And I'd

Katelyn Simmons:

always ask them. I was like, how do you learn how

Katelyn Simmons:

to muscle test? I want to know, how do you do

Katelyn Simmons:

this? And they'd all tell me, oh, you have to go

Katelyn Simmons:

to chiropractor school. Like, okay. So that's why

Katelyn Simmons:

I made a muscle testing course.

Meredith Oke:

I learned it out of the back of the Power vs

Meredith Oke:

Force book, but.

Katelyn Simmons:

I wish I had that one, too. Like, you can learn

Katelyn Simmons:

it on YouTube. Like, it's so. Yeah, it's. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

how our bodies were made, right? We're like.

Katelyn Simmons:

We're drawn to truth, and we're repelled by

Katelyn Simmons:

false, like, lies. So anyways, that was the

Katelyn Simmons:

start, and so I got really obsessed with it. I

Katelyn Simmons:

started using it on all my clients, and that

Katelyn Simmons:

brought up the fear in my clients. And so from

Katelyn Simmons:

right then, as I was starting to explain it to

Katelyn Simmons:

these people in person, I realized I felt like I

Katelyn Simmons:

had this mission. I need to demystify this and

Katelyn Simmons:

help people see. Like, this is not evil. This is

Katelyn Simmons:

how your body was made. Emotions are real. And

Katelyn Simmons:

just talking about your emotions isn't always

Katelyn Simmons:

going to be what works for me. That didn't work.

Katelyn Simmons:

I went to therapy. It felt like it just made

Katelyn Simmons:

things worse. So this was such an incredible

Katelyn Simmons:

tool. And then I started seeing it transform my

Katelyn Simmons:

clients. Right there, we'd feel energy move like

Katelyn Simmons:

wind, and my client would look at me like, did

Katelyn Simmons:

you feel that? Or someone would turn bright red

Katelyn Simmons:

when an emotion left. And it was like, whoa, this

Katelyn Simmons:

is real. This is tangible. Like, this is. This is

Katelyn Simmons:

the next thing. Like, we have to do energy.

Katelyn Simmons:

That's the missing piece. So then I was, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

searching on YouTube and looking for things about

Katelyn Simmons:

the emotion code and came across the AO scan,

Katelyn Simmons:

which, if you're on my page, you know, I talk

Katelyn Simmons:

about that all the time, which is just a

Katelyn Simmons:

frequency. Another frequency tool.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Katelyn Simmons:

And that. That was the next thing. So between the

Katelyn Simmons:

emotion code and the AO scan, within a couple of

Katelyn Simmons:

months, I closed down my brick and mortar because

Katelyn Simmons:

I realized I need to go virtual. I need to get

Katelyn Simmons:

this word out to the masses. I need to go home

Katelyn Simmons:

and Heal and let my body heal. And it was just

Katelyn Simmons:

like I started having 180 after 180, after 180.

Katelyn Simmons:

And there's been no looking back. It's just been.

Katelyn Simmons:

And then I found you. And then I found the

Katelyn Simmons:

Quantum Biology collective. And I was like, whoa,

Katelyn Simmons:

this is also cool. So I've been geeking out ever

Katelyn Simmons:

since and just cannot get enough. It's just. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

like, it makes it all come together.

Meredith Oke:

Beautiful. What an incredible journey. Okay, so

Meredith Oke:

to walk us through a little bit, I mean, like, to

Meredith Oke:

get super specific but high level. The emotion

Meredith Oke:

code, how does that work?

Katelyn Simmons:

So the emotion code is basically just using your

Katelyn Simmons:

own body's subconscious and nervous system via

Katelyn Simmons:

muscle testing. So, like, you can press on your

Katelyn Simmons:

body and you'll hold strong if you get an answer

Katelyn Simmons:

from your nervous system. Yes. Or your body will

Katelyn Simmons:

go weak if it's a no. And so Dr. Bradley Nelson,

Katelyn Simmons:

you can look him up and look, read his book. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

like, I don't know, $15 book. And you can learn

Katelyn Simmons:

how to do it yourself, which I love. I'm like,

Katelyn Simmons:

anything you can give people. Like, that's what

Katelyn Simmons:

the whole quantum biology is. It's like so many

Katelyn Simmons:

free things people can do and totally transform

Katelyn Simmons:

their life so fast. It's like, yeah, everyone

Katelyn Simmons:

needs it anyway. So you identify a trapped

Katelyn Simmons:

emotion. So we could go like, do I have a trapped

Katelyn Simmons:

emotion? Yes. And then you can ask your body

Katelyn Simmons:

questions, where is that trapped emotion? Your

Katelyn Simmons:

liver? And then simply release it with, I guess

Katelyn Simmons:

you could say, similar to acupuncture, you swipe

Katelyn Simmons:

over your governing meridian three times and the

Katelyn Simmons:

emotional energy leaves. Did that kind of wrap up

Katelyn Simmons:

what it is?

Meredith Oke:

Yes.

Katelyn Simmons:

And so then he goes deeper into the body code and

Katelyn Simmons:

the belief code. And it's really cool, but it's

Katelyn Simmons:

like a tool I think everyone should know how to

Katelyn Simmons:

do.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. You know, there are so many, you know, as

Meredith Oke:

you were just saying, like, keeping our circadian

Meredith Oke:

rhythms regulated, like that is just. Should be

Meredith Oke:

sort of a basic thing that everyone understands

Meredith Oke:

coming out of the gate.

Katelyn Simmons:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

Like, you mostly, if you're at all health

Meredith Oke:

focused, you mostly know, like, to eat healthy

Meredith Oke:

food and, like, drink clean water. And there,

Meredith Oke:

there are so many things that could just be

Meredith Oke:

foundational pieces of information that we all

Meredith Oke:

have, that we all do ourselves, that we don't

Meredith Oke:

have to outsource to other people. We don't have

Meredith Oke:

to hire if you have, if you do have us. I'm big

Meredith Oke:

on working with practitioners for sure, but

Meredith Oke:

there, there are so many things we can do just in

Meredith Oke:

Our day to day lives that we're not, you know,

Meredith Oke:

that we've been told are really complicated. And

Meredith Oke:

I had a really good conversation with Eileen

Meredith Oke:

McKusick about that where she does the bio. Like

Meredith Oke:

her biofield tuning.

Katelyn Simmons:

She was one of the ones that, like, once I read

Katelyn Simmons:

her books, I was like, chakras, there's nothing

Katelyn Simmons:

wrong with chakras. It's part of our body.

Katelyn Simmons:

Because that was another big one in the Christian

Katelyn Simmons:

community. I was like, oh, I love her so much.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, I've read her books so many times because

Katelyn Simmons:

she's so incredible.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, I love that. Yes. No, exactly. Well, I was

Meredith Oke:

just going to say it's like we had this

Meredith Oke:

conversation where we've sort of been led to

Meredith Oke:

believe that trauma is like really embedded and

Meredith Oke:

complex and you can't get rid of it. And

Meredith Oke:

unresolved trauma absolutely has cascading

Meredith Oke:

effects throughout our lives, but it doesn't have

Meredith Oke:

to be unresolved.

Katelyn Simmons:

Exactly, exactly. And I had been at. I was at

Katelyn Simmons:

that point where I thought, because I had had

Katelyn Simmons:

like a really scary thing happen to me and then

Katelyn Simmons:

got rear ended on the freeway a couple weeks

Katelyn Simmons:

later. And it felt like I was never gonna. It

Katelyn Simmons:

took me years to heal from it because it. And it

Katelyn Simmons:

felt like it was gonna live with me forever. But

Katelyn Simmons:

then as soon as I started releasing trapped

Katelyn Simmons:

emotions and I did biofield tuning eventually

Katelyn Simmons:

too, once I found her, I was like, I bought her

Katelyn Simmons:

tuning forks, I took her self course and like

Katelyn Simmons:

started doing it all. But it was like, oh, the

Katelyn Simmons:

memory is still there, but it's not creating this

Katelyn Simmons:

physical reaction in my body anymore. I can drive

Katelyn Simmons:

my car without shaking and having a panic attack.

Katelyn Simmons:

I can think about what happened and not be

Katelyn Simmons:

paranoid that someone's always chasing me or like

Katelyn Simmons:

there can be things that used to be triggers and

Katelyn Simmons:

it's not creating that physical response. And I

Katelyn Simmons:

think that was a big piece to why, you know,

Katelyn Simmons:

things weren't. Weren't healing. It was like

Katelyn Simmons:

affecting. It affects your cells and it blocks

Katelyn Simmons:

the meridians from flowing and like Eileen talks

Katelyn Simmons:

about, it stays in your biofield, but it's like

Katelyn Simmons:

you can just clear it out and have freedom and

Katelyn Simmons:

it's transformative. Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

And I feel like still to this day I feel a little

Meredith Oke:

bit bad saying that. I feel like, oh, no, like,

Meredith Oke:

don't make it sound so simple, Meredith. That's

Meredith Oke:

not fair. But like, why not?

Katelyn Simmons:

I mean, you know, it's a paradigm shift and

Katelyn Simmons:

people, you know, you have to make a choice. I

Katelyn Simmons:

had to make a choice to stop being in victim

Katelyn Simmons:

mode. I think I feel so confident talking about

Katelyn Simmons:

it, because I was there. I felt like, this is so

Katelyn Simmons:

hard. How could anyone say anything to me

Katelyn Simmons:

otherwise? How could you tell me to look at the

Katelyn Simmons:

bright? Bright side? How could you? I remember

Katelyn Simmons:

one of. I went. Used to go get colon

Katelyn Simmons:

hydrotherapy, and I remember she'd tell me, she'd

Katelyn Simmons:

be like, you know, sometimes we attract what we

Katelyn Simmons:

are. Maybe you need. Like, she actually tried

Katelyn Simmons:

saying that to me, and I was like, what? How

Katelyn Simmons:

could you say? Like, I was mad afterwards, So I

Katelyn Simmons:

get it. Like, but now, coming through it and

Katelyn Simmons:

being on the other side, it's like, wow, we do

Katelyn Simmons:

have to shift from victim to being triumphant.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, I am going to heal. I am going to change. I

Katelyn Simmons:

am going to let this be in the past. Because

Katelyn Simmons:

that's something I saw with my clients, too. I

Katelyn Simmons:

built up my practice. I had all these people who

Katelyn Simmons:

would come to see me for. Well, I went virtual,

Katelyn Simmons:

but we do sessions, and a lot of people, not

Katelyn Simmons:

everybody, but a good chunk of people, there was

Katelyn Simmons:

a disconnect where they weren't really ready to

Katelyn Simmons:

let it go. Like it was part of their identity.

Katelyn Simmons:

And that's another thing I had to learn, too.

Katelyn Simmons:

Lyme is not me. Lyme is just a thing. And I'm

Katelyn Simmons:

gonna move forward from it. Like, so there's that

Katelyn Simmons:

whole piece of. Yeah. Not being victim anymore.

Meredith Oke:

Absolutely. And it's no small thing.

Katelyn Simmons:

It is.

Meredith Oke:

It is in the wider culture, I think, much safer

Meredith Oke:

to feel like a victim than to feel like a

Meredith Oke:

successful person and show up that way.

Katelyn Simmons:

And it feels like our society's, like, made to

Katelyn Simmons:

make that thrive. Like, it's. It's almost like

Katelyn Simmons:

we're going against 99% of everybody to show up

Katelyn Simmons:

as successful and healed and different.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And there's. There is currency in being

Meredith Oke:

traumatized and damaged. And I'm gonna go. I'm

Meredith Oke:

just gonna go all the way with it. And I'm

Meredith Oke:

speaking of someone who has also healed a lot of

Meredith Oke:

things. I haven't got into it on. On this

Meredith Oke:

podcast, and I probably won't, but it was a lot.

Meredith Oke:

It was a lot of things. And I think that in order

Meredith Oke:

to fully let go of that victim mentality, in

Meredith Oke:

order to fully let go of, like, oh, well, I have

Meredith Oke:

this trauma, so I can't. It's. It's a way to have

Meredith Oke:

low standards and low expectations for ourselves

Meredith Oke:

and always give ourselves a way out.

Katelyn Simmons:

Chills, mic drop, like, whoa, that needs to be a

Katelyn Simmons:

quote. You need to put that in a quote and put it

Katelyn Simmons:

on your Instagram. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

huge. That was really profound.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. And I say that not just from. That's what I

Meredith Oke:

see as a coach and other people. That's what I

Meredith Oke:

saw in myself.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

And then it's a continuous journey to move

Meredith Oke:

through it. Every time we do something new, we

Meredith Oke:

move through a version of it.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yes. That's what, that's what came to mind was I

Katelyn Simmons:

had to come to another version of it when I got

Katelyn Simmons:

pregnant. And when I read, you know, I went. I'm

Katelyn Simmons:

not going to go into all the birth stuff. That's

Katelyn Simmons:

a whole other topic. But I read Yolanda Norris

Katelyn Simmons:

Clark's book and I almost feel like that's a book

Katelyn Simmons:

that, that everyone should read. Whether you want

Katelyn Simmons:

to be a mom or not, or you've already had kids

Katelyn Simmons:

and you're, you know, she just dives into that,

Katelyn Simmons:

the whole victim mentality too, and she breaks it

Katelyn Simmons:

down. And it helped me. I ended up having a free

Katelyn Simmons:

birth, and that was my choice. And my husband and

Katelyn Simmons:

I did that together. And I know everyone has

Katelyn Simmons:

their opinions on that, but I felt so empowered.

Katelyn Simmons:

And it was like the last. Well, I'm sure there's

Katelyn Simmons:

more to work through, but another big chunk of

Katelyn Simmons:

that victim of the negativity of it just, it

Katelyn Simmons:

helped me shed that. Like, giving birth in that

Katelyn Simmons:

way was so empowering. It was like I gave birth

Katelyn Simmons:

to a new version of myself. And afterward, I

Katelyn Simmons:

remember I just felt like, wow, I'm stepping into

Katelyn Simmons:

my most authentic self now. And that's actually

Katelyn Simmons:

something that really helped in every area of my

Katelyn Simmons:

life. But it is a continual shedding. It's like

Katelyn Simmons:

the onion, you gotta peel back all these layers

Katelyn Simmons:

and it's kind of the never ending onion, but it.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And some days you're like, where is the

Meredith Oke:

goddamn end of this onion?

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Sorry to swear. I just want everyone to know when

Meredith Oke:

I swear, I have calibrated the words to resonate

Meredith Oke:

at a very high frequency. It's not real swearing.

Meredith Oke:

So I, I was reading some of your experience and I

Meredith Oke:

wanted to talk about this a little bit more. You

Meredith Oke:

mentioned it briefly, but when you were doing in

Meredith Oke:

person work with people, you were seeing them in

Meredith Oke:

your clinic. You were, you know, putting your

Meredith Oke:

hands on them to do them, to do massage therapy.

Meredith Oke:

You talked about, like, the energetic effects of

Meredith Oke:

that and how you had to learn to shield yourself

Meredith Oke:

and ground yourself and protect yourself in that

Meredith Oke:

experience. So I know a lot of people who are

Meredith Oke:

still. There are a lot of people who are still in

Meredith Oke:

the. In person you ultimately chose to go

Meredith Oke:

virtual. But while you were still in that space,

Meredith Oke:

how did you come to understand how to stay

Meredith Oke:

protected while working with other people?

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah, I remember one. As I was learning, I talked

Katelyn Simmons:

to a few of my clients about it. I was like, man,

Katelyn Simmons:

sometimes clients come in and I feel like. Like I

Katelyn Simmons:

touch them, and if they're angry, I'm angry, and

Katelyn Simmons:

they leave happy. And if I remember specifically,

Katelyn Simmons:

like, there would be times when someone would

Katelyn Simmons:

come in with something really severe, like cancer

Katelyn Simmons:

or something, where they were just really down in

Katelyn Simmons:

the dumps, low and in pain. And I would almost

Katelyn Simmons:

feel. I would feel the pain in the exact same

Katelyn Simmons:

spot that they were saying. And so I remember

Katelyn Simmons:

just feeling like, what is this? This is so

Katelyn Simmons:

weird. I don't want this. This feels icky, and it

Katelyn Simmons:

just would feel heavy. Can you hear my baby

Katelyn Simmons:

really loud in the back?

Meredith Oke:

I can hear her very quietly, and.

Katelyn Simmons:

It'S beautiful, so don't worry about it. It's so

Katelyn Simmons:

weird to be away from her. Anyway, so I was

Katelyn Simmons:

talking to some clients about it, and they were

Katelyn Simmons:

like, well, just envision a white bubble around

Katelyn Simmons:

you. I think, okay, that's cool. And I started

Katelyn Simmons:

trying to do that, and I think it helped a

Katelyn Simmons:

little, but I didn't totally understand, so that

Katelyn Simmons:

was kind of the start. And then I started

Katelyn Simmons:

learning more about grounding, and I started just

Katelyn Simmons:

envisioning myself before I would go in to work

Katelyn Simmons:

with a client. I'd envisioned myself having my

Katelyn Simmons:

energy grounded deep into the earth. And that was

Katelyn Simmons:

something that really helped me a lot. But it was

Katelyn Simmons:

never really enough until that short period when

Katelyn Simmons:

I learned about the emotion code and the AO scan.

Katelyn Simmons:

And I was really seeing how, like, with muscle

Katelyn Simmons:

testing, you can swipe, see if you can see your

Katelyn Simmons:

governing meridian three times, the sweat, you

Katelyn Simmons:

know, and clear energy off of you. And so now I

Katelyn Simmons:

still do that to this day. If I walk past someone

Katelyn Simmons:

and I feel something, I'm just like, get off of

Katelyn Simmons:

me. And that really started helping. And then the

Katelyn Simmons:

AO scan, there's frequencies you can run for

Katelyn Simmons:

energetic clear and energetic shield. And those

Katelyn Simmons:

made such a difference. It was, you know, those

Katelyn Simmons:

last few months or couple months in my practice,

Katelyn Simmons:

I started doing that every day, and it was just a

Katelyn Simmons:

game changer. So.

Meredith Oke:

So tell me a little more about the AO scan. I

Meredith Oke:

don't know what that is.

Katelyn Simmons:

Oh, okay. So the AO scan is a subscription that

Katelyn Simmons:

you can have on your phone. You can log into it

Katelyn Simmons:

from basically any device like, that connects to

Katelyn Simmons:

the Internet, and it will transform your computer

Katelyn Simmons:

or your phone into A frequency generator. So

Katelyn Simmons:

you're familiar with bioresonance, Right. Where

Katelyn Simmons:

you can get a scan. Like, I used to have a really

Katelyn Simmons:

expensive one. You put your hand on it and it

Katelyn Simmons:

would scan your whole body. And I'd have to be

Katelyn Simmons:

with clients for like an hour and a half and to

Katelyn Simmons:

see everything that's out of balance in your body

Katelyn Simmons:

energetically. So it's not lab work. It's not.

Katelyn Simmons:

It's like taking a picture in time, like a

Katelyn Simmons:

snapshot in time to see where your body's

Katelyn Simmons:

resonating at. So this goes from, you know, all

Katelyn Simmons:

of your bones to your nerves, your mitochondria,

Katelyn Simmons:

which I started geeking out about that once I was

Katelyn Simmons:

in the course, the quantum course, because it was

Katelyn Simmons:

like, whoa. Like, I can optimize my mitochondria

Katelyn Simmons:

every day. So this is a little different from a

Katelyn Simmons:

lot of bioresonance on the market, because you

Katelyn Simmons:

can then optimize everything it scanned for that

Katelyn Simmons:

was out of balance. So it's like, I don't pay

Katelyn Simmons:

attention a whole lot to the reports. I just love

Katelyn Simmons:

to put my body back into homeostasis every day.

Katelyn Simmons:

And then on top of that, there's custom sound

Katelyn Simmons:

therapy. So, like voice analysis. You can record

Katelyn Simmons:

your voice and create sound therapy tailored to

Katelyn Simmons:

exactly what emotions you need to release and

Katelyn Simmons:

bring balance to which that was a huge piece.

Katelyn Simmons:

That was like emotion code with. That was. I

Katelyn Simmons:

mean, I felt like that's why I was clearing so

Katelyn Simmons:

much so fast, because it was like, whoa, I'm. I'm

Katelyn Simmons:

getting to the root of the emotions. And it's so

Katelyn Simmons:

cool because it shows the physical connections

Katelyn Simmons:

and the energetic connections to those emotions

Katelyn Simmons:

that it found out of balance within your voice.

Katelyn Simmons:

You know how people are so telling. Like you can

Katelyn Simmons:

hear them talk and they're happy, or you can hear

Katelyn Simmons:

them talk and you get depressed. You're like,

Katelyn Simmons:

whoa. Like, I feel that this technology actually

Katelyn Simmons:

picks up. It scans over 10,000 frequencies within

Katelyn Simmons:

your voice to like, spit out these frequencies

Katelyn Simmons:

for you every single day or however much you want

Katelyn Simmons:

to do. So then there's the whole. You know,

Katelyn Simmons:

there's so much. That's why I talk about it so

Katelyn Simmons:

much on my page. And I have like hour long

Katelyn Simmons:

YouTube videos on it. And, like, it's so in

Katelyn Simmons:

depth. It's. It used to be a $38,000 practitioner

Katelyn Simmons:

system. Like doctors and clinics have it.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Katelyn Simmons:

But then I believe it was in 2021, Lauren

Katelyn Simmons:

Swenson, who developed all of this, he had the

Katelyn Simmons:

vision, and they had the vision to bring that

Katelyn Simmons:

sound therapy part to everybody. Because, you

Katelyn Simmons:

know, everyone was struggling in 2020.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Katelyn Simmons:

And then they made it so now anyone can have

Katelyn Simmons:

access to it. So there's so much more cool

Katelyn Simmons:

subconscious reprogramming. There's a lot, but

Katelyn Simmons:

that's what the EOS scan is.

Meredith Oke:

That's really fun.

Katelyn Simmons:

It is fun.

Meredith Oke:

So that, yes, helped with your ability to stay

Meredith Oke:

within your own energy and not take. Take on

Meredith Oke:

whatever your clients were bringing in that day.

Katelyn Simmons:

And I think shedding those layers of emotions

Katelyn Simmons:

too, like just working on yourself, releasing

Katelyn Simmons:

trapped emotions gives you the space where you're

Katelyn Simmons:

actually, like, resilient. You're not, because,

Katelyn Simmons:

you know, everything acts like a magnet. So if

Katelyn Simmons:

you have, I don't know, 20 on the low side, 20

Katelyn Simmons:

trapped emotions of fear, those are always going

Katelyn Simmons:

to be attracting more emotions of fear or things

Katelyn Simmons:

that vibrate at that same level. So if you have

Katelyn Simmons:

all these trapped emotions of unworthiness,

Katelyn Simmons:

sadness, depression, anxiety, like I had all of

Katelyn Simmons:

these just bombarding me. And I remember working

Katelyn Simmons:

through, I felt like I was like releasing

Katelyn Simmons:

thousands of trapped emotions. It attracts more

Katelyn Simmons:

of that into your life because you're. That's

Katelyn Simmons:

where you're vibrating at. So as you raise your

Katelyn Simmons:

frequency and you heal and just, you know, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

we see people release parasites, right, when they

Katelyn Simmons:

just. They just start doing the circadian stuff.

Katelyn Simmons:

Like, just raising your frequency helps you shed

Katelyn Simmons:

the negativity and the sickness and the disease

Katelyn Simmons:

and the bad stuff, and you start to attract

Katelyn Simmons:

different. And you. The stuff doesn't stick to

Katelyn Simmons:

you.

Meredith Oke:

It's so cool. It's also amazing. And it's, you

Meredith Oke:

know, back to what we were saying earlier, right?

Meredith Oke:

Like, if we had just some baseline understanding

Meredith Oke:

of this, we could be clearing that stuff out as

Meredith Oke:

we go. You know, it's like being like, oh, you

Meredith Oke:

know, instead of like vacuuming once a year, it's

Meredith Oke:

like, oh, I'm supposed to vacuum once a week.

Meredith Oke:

Okay. Right. Like, you know, we, we allow these

Meredith Oke:

things to build up because we can't see them. And

Meredith Oke:

we, we've been left ignorant of. Of how to just

Meredith Oke:

do maintenance that way. But it's. When I got

Meredith Oke:

pregnant, it's not that complicated.

Katelyn Simmons:

It's really not. But when I got pregnant, I was

Katelyn Simmons:

like, I'm gonna start releasing all the inherited

Katelyn Simmons:

trapped emotions this way. Because when you

Katelyn Simmons:

release the inherited stuff, it releases in your

Katelyn Simmons:

kids too, and your whole generational line and

Katelyn Simmons:

started releasing them from my baby. I'm like,

Katelyn Simmons:

once a week I just check, and there's really

Katelyn Simmons:

nothing there. But it's just. It feels so cool to

Katelyn Simmons:

be able to Set up a little human from the

Katelyn Simmons:

beginning without coming in with all this baggage.

Meredith Oke:

That's really beautiful. That's so beautiful. I

Meredith Oke:

love that. So you brought up mitochondria. Talk

Meredith Oke:

to me about, you know, like, let's sort of bring

Meredith Oke:

it together with just daily habits and the

Meredith Oke:

lights, you know, the light and dark cycles and

Meredith Oke:

all of the circadian stuff. How have. How has it

Meredith Oke:

all sort of come together for you? Because you

Meredith Oke:

did. You did the deep dive. You studied, you got

Meredith Oke:

certified, so you went all the way.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah. So that was. That's. I think, what really

Katelyn Simmons:

helped get my hormones. It just, like, tied it

Katelyn Simmons:

all together. It was like, okay, these are the

Katelyn Simmons:

things that are so foundational. It's like. It

Katelyn Simmons:

brings you to the terrain theory. Like, if the

Katelyn Simmons:

terrain is good and our hormones are, you know,

Katelyn Simmons:

producing at the right times of the day, it just

Katelyn Simmons:

all makes it, like. It's just cohesive. Your body

Katelyn Simmons:

can now work. So. Learning about sun. The sun was

Katelyn Simmons:

my favorite because, you know, Heather's program

Katelyn Simmons:

on the sun. It was so. Because I've always loved

Katelyn Simmons:

the sun. I've wanted to go bake in the sun for

Katelyn Simmons:

hours on end, and I've, like, wanted to be out in

Katelyn Simmons:

the morning. Like, it's just something I think

Katelyn Simmons:

we're all born with intuitively. But then society

Katelyn Simmons:

comes in and just kind of crushes it. Like,

Katelyn Simmons:

you're. You get almost tuned into everything else

Katelyn Simmons:

feeling good. Like, it feels good to sleep in and

Katelyn Simmons:

feels good to look at your phone until it

Katelyn Simmons:

doesn't. Until it, like, actually is wreaking

Katelyn Simmons:

havoc on your health. So learning. I think the

Katelyn Simmons:

first day I listened to that about sunrise, I

Katelyn Simmons:

started going outside every morning, and it made

Katelyn Simmons:

such a difference. It was like, whoa, I can feel

Katelyn Simmons:

a difference. And I just craved to be outside

Katelyn Simmons:

even more. And that was probably the biggest game

Katelyn Simmons:

changer for me, was because I Learning about how

Katelyn Simmons:

just that sunrise light, whether it's cloudy or

Katelyn Simmons:

not or whatever the weather is, like, it sets you

Katelyn Simmons:

up for the rest of the day where you're not

Katelyn Simmons:

gonna. You know, you precondition your skin. You

Katelyn Simmons:

build that solar callus. You set up cord, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

cortisol. Like, I love talking about cortisol

Katelyn Simmons:

because it's. We have these free tools you can

Katelyn Simmons:

use to balance things. So I just started, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

being out. I remember cold mornings. I'd bundle

Katelyn Simmons:

up and sit outside with my coffee for, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

three hours. Like, I'm gonna heal. I'm gonna heal

Katelyn Simmons:

with sunlight even more. And that's just carried

Katelyn Simmons:

through, like, the first couple days after my

Katelyn Simmons:

baby was born, I would bring her outside, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

every day. Like, we're getting sunlight, we're

Katelyn Simmons:

getting. I still bring her out at sunrise. We go

Katelyn Simmons:

out, like, every couple hours to get all the

Katelyn Simmons:

white codes. And the only thing that's been hard

Katelyn Simmons:

with a baby is wearing my blue light blockers.

Katelyn Simmons:

That's been tough because she just wants them.

Meredith Oke:

She just pulls them off your face. Yeah, that's

Meredith Oke:

true.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah. I still wear them at night, but when she's

Katelyn Simmons:

asleep. Yeah, yeah. It's just. It's. It's. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

life. And once you build the habit, it's a part

Katelyn Simmons:

of your life. Like, it just. It's a part of your

Katelyn Simmons:

life now. Like, you can't go any other way. And

Katelyn Simmons:

grounding, like, every morning we go ground. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

just turned into such a nice routine. And I think

Katelyn Simmons:

that's actually really helpful for moms with

Katelyn Simmons:

young kids is if you have this routine where you

Katelyn Simmons:

get the sun, you ground, you go outside multiple

Katelyn Simmons:

times, no matter what the weather is, or you

Katelyn Simmons:

crack a window. Like, it really. I mean, maybe

Katelyn Simmons:

it's just my baby's temperament, but she is so

Katelyn Simmons:

happy all the time. And I can tell if we need

Katelyn Simmons:

more sun or need to get outside or need to ground

Katelyn Simmons:

if she starts to not be a little happy. And then

Katelyn Simmons:

it's like, instant. We get in the grass, we get

Katelyn Simmons:

in the sun, we go to the beach. Instantly, she's

Katelyn Simmons:

just perfect again.

Meredith Oke:

Wow, that's really interesting, because I know,

Meredith Oke:

you know, for a lot of parents, it's like, oh,

Meredith Oke:

I'll turn the TV on, or I'll give them a show.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, they're a bit grumpy. Like, I'll just give

Meredith Oke:

them a show to watch or.

Katelyn Simmons:

I think that makes sense.

Meredith Oke:

I definitely did that back in the day. But, yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, going outside a couple shows.

Katelyn Simmons:

But the windows always open and the doors open in

Katelyn Simmons:

short amounts of time. But I can see. I can see

Katelyn Simmons:

that change her, too. So it's. I've almost, you

Katelyn Simmons:

know, I go back and forth, like, should we watch

Katelyn Simmons:

a little bit of something so I can drink my

Katelyn Simmons:

coffee or. No, it's always better when we just go

Katelyn Simmons:

outside. Yeah, but no judgment. It's there. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

just. You can do these little things, like open

Katelyn Simmons:

the window if it's on, or, you know, I want to

Katelyn Simmons:

get a projector at some point, because that'll be

Katelyn Simmons:

a little better, but.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, that's a fun idea. Yes. And truly, no

Meredith Oke:

judgment. My children all have screens, and, you

Meredith Oke:

know, we live. We don't homeschool. We live in

Meredith Oke:

the. In the prescribed prescription world of, you

Meredith Oke:

know, normal society. And, you know, that's just

Meredith Oke:

how we've chosen to do it.

Katelyn Simmons:

And, yeah, it just shows how powerful it still

Katelyn Simmons:

is, though. Like, you don't have to live some

Katelyn Simmons:

hippie woo woo life for this to change your life.

Katelyn Simmons:

And you don't have to, like, change your whole

Katelyn Simmons:

identity and be a totally different. Like, that's

Katelyn Simmons:

just who I am. I love being outside and I want to

Katelyn Simmons:

homeschool. That's just me because I was

Katelyn Simmons:

homeschooled when I was little. But no, not

Katelyn Simmons:

everyone has to do that. It's so, like, just work

Katelyn Simmons:

it into your schedule. Like, I loved when Carrie

Katelyn Simmons:

would talk about just cracking the windows on her

Katelyn Simmons:

way to school drop off or opening the sunroof

Katelyn Simmons:

and, you know, popping on your blue light

Katelyn Simmons:

blockers or wearing wired headsets instead of

Katelyn Simmons:

Bluetooth and just all the simple little things

Katelyn Simmons:

you can shift.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And when, you know, I think that's an

Meredith Oke:

important message I always like to bring up is

Meredith Oke:

every little thing matters. You know, going

Meredith Oke:

outside in the morning for even five minutes,

Meredith Oke:

even two minutes before other light hits your

Meredith Oke:

eyes or, you know, not turning on those big

Meredith Oke:

overhead lights after sunset. Like, just little

Meredith Oke:

things. And one thing I hear a lot is people are

Meredith Oke:

like, oh, I listen to your podcast, but I'm just

Meredith Oke:

so overwhelmed at the thought of changing every

Meredith Oke:

light bulb in my house. I don't think. I don't

Meredith Oke:

think I can do this circadian thing. And I'm

Meredith Oke:

like, oh, my gosh, if I left you with that

Meredith Oke:

impression, the. My bad. Just don't turn them on.

Meredith Oke:

It's very simple. You don't have to change

Meredith Oke:

everything. Just have some lamps with

Meredith Oke:

incandescent bulbs and don't turn on the big

Meredith Oke:

lights. You don't have to because, you know,

Meredith Oke:

we're all. We all have ceilings filled with those

Meredith Oke:

LEDs that.

Katelyn Simmons:

And a lot of us have husbands who think it's

Katelyn Simmons:

really annoying for it to be dark. It's a fight

Katelyn Simmons:

over here. So, you know, it's. It is what it. Not

Katelyn Simmons:

all of our bulbs are changed. I've slowly changed

Katelyn Simmons:

them. And he's like, why are these so dim? Did I

Katelyn Simmons:

get any brighter? So it's. Just do what you can

Katelyn Simmons:

and it's gonna help no matter what. Like, it's

Katelyn Simmons:

not perfection. And that's like, it goes for

Katelyn Simmons:

everything with health. It's not perfection. And

Katelyn Simmons:

everything in your life, you cannot show up

Katelyn Simmons:

perfect for anything. And if you try, you're just

Katelyn Simmons:

gonna be depressed.

Meredith Oke:

Right. It's another one of those traps that we

Meredith Oke:

set for ourselves. Right. We're like, I am going

Meredith Oke:

to play an unwinnable game, and I'm not allowed

Meredith Oke:

to feel successful or happy until this unwinnable

Meredith Oke:

game is won. But it's unwinnable.

Katelyn Simmons:

And that's like. I don't know if you want to talk

Katelyn Simmons:

about abundance at all, but, like, that's one of

Katelyn Simmons:

the huge blocks to abundance. Like, we get so

Katelyn Simmons:

caught up in what's next and what. What can I do

Katelyn Simmons:

to, you know, if you're on social media, like, do

Katelyn Simmons:

more posts and, like, all this perfection instead

Katelyn Simmons:

of just enjoying where you're at now, doing what

Katelyn Simmons:

you can now, knowing that it's good enough and

Katelyn Simmons:

just, you know, everyone struggles with that. I

Katelyn Simmons:

still struggle with that, but it's. It's so much

Katelyn Simmons:

more enjoyable to go through life. And I think it

Katelyn Simmons:

frees up your healing when you don't try to

Katelyn Simmons:

control. Because it's like human nature is to

Katelyn Simmons:

control everything and grip onto everything

Katelyn Simmons:

really tightly. But as soon as you surrender,

Katelyn Simmons:

it's like, the river can flow, everything can

Katelyn Simmons:

work. And then, you know, I feel like the bad

Katelyn Simmons:

stuff doesn't affect you as much.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And I find too, when you get in that flow,

Meredith Oke:

then ideas come and we feel called to do things

Meredith Oke:

that will require us to push ourselves a little

Meredith Oke:

bit.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

But it's coming from this place of abundance, not

Meredith Oke:

a place of, like, I have to do this.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yes. And it's fulfilling and it's like your

Katelyn Simmons:

passion. And it's like, it's so different. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

so different. Like, it's. It is hard work to do

Katelyn Simmons:

any of, you know, to change your life in any way.

Katelyn Simmons:

It's hard work, but it's harder to stay where

Katelyn Simmons:

you're at. In my opinion. It would have been a

Katelyn Simmons:

lot harder if I would have just stayed where I

Katelyn Simmons:

was at. I'd be. Yeah, it was hard work to get

Katelyn Simmons:

where I am now, but so worth it. And not as hard.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah, yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Not as painful.

Katelyn Simmons:

And so rewarding.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, it's amazing. Life is really cool. And I

Meredith Oke:

love, you know. Yeah, I love this chat, like, and

Meredith Oke:

coming into the mitochondria, you know, and the

Meredith Oke:

idea of, like, clearing our emotions, clearing

Meredith Oke:

toxic light. Right. Like these. These are all the

Meredith Oke:

frequencies and these, these little.

Katelyn Simmons:

These, these.

Meredith Oke:

I don't even know. I saw Martin Picard, who does

Meredith Oke:

a lot of really interesting mitochondrial

Meredith Oke:

research and bioenergetics, and he was. He did a

Meredith Oke:

post recently. He's like, we gotta stop with the

Meredith Oke:

powerhouse of the cell. It's been 60 years. It's

Meredith Oke:

not accurate. And I thought, okay, so what are

Meredith Oke:

we? What's the new catchphrase? And so now I call

Meredith Oke:

on everyone if we're. If we're gonna upgrade from

Meredith Oke:

powerhouse of the cell, like what should we call

Meredith Oke:

it? Because it encompasses everything. Right. As

Meredith Oke:

you were saying. Right. Like strengthening our

Meredith Oke:

mitochondria from physical practices like

Meredith Oke:

grounding and reducing toxic light.

Katelyn Simmons:

Oh.

Meredith Oke:

Gives us energy for emotional healing which may

Meredith Oke:

come. Which may come next. And that. That idea of

Meredith Oke:

the nonlinear healing and people. You know, I've

Meredith Oke:

had people reach out to me lately who said they

Meredith Oke:

started with the circadian stuff and like their

Meredith Oke:

sleep is worse and they're like, yeah. And it

Meredith Oke:

turned out I had all this emotional work to do.

Meredith Oke:

So it's just so interesting how our bodies.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah, the whole layer thing. A layer cake. Yeah.

Katelyn Simmons:

It's just I feel like too. People need to

Katelyn Simmons:

remember as you heal, this is like a lifelong

Katelyn Simmons:

journey. It's not a three week cleanse. It's not

Katelyn Simmons:

a three month cleanse. This is lifelong. And we

Katelyn Simmons:

weren't. It's not just our lifetime. We have to

Katelyn Simmons:

look at everything that affected ourselves and

Katelyn Simmons:

our mitochondria and our muscles and everything.

Katelyn Simmons:

Our fascia, like the fascia is so complex. It's

Katelyn Simmons:

like generational. It's multi. Generational

Katelyn Simmons:

things that have affected us. And so we're

Katelyn Simmons:

peeling back these layers. And sometimes when

Katelyn Simmons:

your body gets that energy to actually be able to

Katelyn Simmons:

address what's been underlying or hiding deep in

Katelyn Simmons:

your tissues or in your organs, it's gonna be a

Katelyn Simmons:

little painful and be a little frustrating

Katelyn Simmons:

because now your body's like, oh, hey, I can

Katelyn Simmons:

target this. I can clear this out. I can. You can

Katelyn Simmons:

feel this emotion now, and it's just. It's just a

Katelyn Simmons:

part of it.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. And I love what you just said. You can feel

Meredith Oke:

this emotion now. Because I think so much of our

Meredith Oke:

energy goes towards making sure we don't have to

Meredith Oke:

feel certain things. And I've been really digging

Meredith Oke:

in lately. I've been putting myself out there and

Meredith Oke:

pushing myself to do things. And I'm like, oh,

Meredith Oke:

but it's gonna make me feel. And I'm like, yep.

Meredith Oke:

And it did. And you know what? It passes. It just

Meredith Oke:

flows through. I think if I'm not trying to block

Meredith Oke:

it or six seconds.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah. For an emotion to pass. Yeah. But it can.

Katelyn Simmons:

You know, but then it can trigger. You know, the

Katelyn Simmons:

cool thing about trapped emotions is they talk

Katelyn Simmons:

about how they're really energetically the size

Katelyn Simmons:

of your fist, but when they get triggered, they

Katelyn Simmons:

can blow up to the size of a balloon or a beach

Katelyn Simmons:

ball energetically. And then that can kind of

Katelyn Simmons:

create this trigger effect through your whole

Katelyn Simmons:

body, triggering the rest of them. And so it can

Katelyn Simmons:

feel so overwhelming when you first start, but it

Katelyn Simmons:

does get easier and easier and easier the more

Katelyn Simmons:

you let yourself feel, because then you can

Katelyn Simmons:

actually feel in the moment when something's

Katelyn Simmons:

happening too. Because that's actually how

Katelyn Simmons:

emotions get trapped. We stuff it down and we

Katelyn Simmons:

don't feel it, and we, like, we want to avoid it.

Katelyn Simmons:

And that creates this cycle of just stuffing it

Katelyn Simmons:

down, stuffing and stuffing, and, you know.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Katelyn Simmons:

Creates this whole problem.

Meredith Oke:

And then the problems begin or continue or get

Meredith Oke:

worse or whatever. Oh, my goodness, Caitlin, it's

Meredith Oke:

been so delightful to talk to you. I'm so glad we

Meredith Oke:

got to meet and have this conversation before I.

Meredith Oke:

You share sort of how people can find you. Is

Meredith Oke:

there anything that else that you'd like to say

Meredith Oke:

before we wrap up?

Katelyn Simmons:

I don't know. I just. It's just all so good. I

Katelyn Simmons:

feel like we could talk for hours. Like, there's

Katelyn Simmons:

just so many different rabbit holes you can go

Katelyn Simmons:

down and just. It's all so good. And quantum

Katelyn Simmons:

biology is just. It's life changing. And I didn't

Katelyn Simmons:

think that the emotional side of it really fit in

Katelyn Simmons:

to the quantum biology. You know, back when it

Katelyn Simmons:

was the two part course and then the second part

Katelyn Simmons:

came in and Carrie was talking about Eileen, I

Katelyn Simmons:

was like, oh, they know about Eileen McKusick. I

Katelyn Simmons:

was so excited. Like, it was like, this does fit

Katelyn Simmons:

in. It's all together. So I was like, am I

Katelyn Simmons:

talking about the same stuff? Does this fit in

Katelyn Simmons:

together? And then that kind of led me to looking

Katelyn Simmons:

for trapped emotions specifically affecting the

Katelyn Simmons:

mitochondria in my clients. And, like, looking at

Katelyn Simmons:

it from this whole new lens of, like, how are

Katelyn Simmons:

emotions affecting the circadian side of it, the

Katelyn Simmons:

quantum side of it? And it just kind of turned

Katelyn Simmons:

into this whole new, like, it is connected and

Katelyn Simmons:

it's all important and we need to focus on all of

Katelyn Simmons:

it.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah, for sure. No, it is

Meredith Oke:

because it's. I mean, we. I think light's a great

Meredith Oke:

way in because it's so misunderstood and ignored.

Meredith Oke:

And it's just such an easy fix once you

Meredith Oke:

understand the basics of it. But at the end of

Meredith Oke:

the day, light is. Is frequency. Emotions are

Meredith Oke:

frequency. It's all frequency. And it's trapped

Meredith Oke:

in the. In the structured water in our bodies,

Meredith Oke:

and it's doing all the things. And there's sound

Meredith Oke:

and light and the motion code and all of it works

Meredith Oke:

with the energy of our body as you so beautifully

Meredith Oke:

laid out.

Katelyn Simmons:

Yeah, yeah. And so many ways to address all of

Katelyn Simmons:

that, too. Like, there's, you know, emotion

Katelyn Simmons:

code's not the only way. There's breath, there's

Katelyn Simmons:

sound bowls, there's somatic work. There's, like,

Katelyn Simmons:

so many different avenues people can go down to

Katelyn Simmons:

just start healing. And all of it's raising our

Katelyn Simmons:

vibration and raising our frequency. So it's all

Katelyn Simmons:

connected.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, I love it. And so where can people find

Meredith Oke:

you, Katelyn?

Katelyn Simmons:

The best place is probably my Instagram.

Katelyn Simmons:

Aitlinsimmonsofficial, and that's where I'm most

Katelyn Simmons:

active, like, in my DMs. I am on my Facebook, but

Katelyn Simmons:

everything from Instagram just gets uploaded to

Katelyn Simmons:

Facebook, so I'm not super active over there. My

Katelyn Simmons:

YouTube's really not consistent yet, but I'm

Katelyn Simmons:

planning to do more YouTube, so probably

Katelyn Simmons:

Instagram.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, great. So that's at Caitlin Simmons,

Meredith Oke:

official on Instagram. And Kaitlyn is spelled K,

Meredith Oke:

A, T, E, L, Y, N Simmons. S, I, M. Thank you so

Meredith Oke:

much. This was delightful, and we'll have to do

Meredith Oke:

it again. Thank you, Meredith, and

Meredith Oke:

congratulations on one full year of being a mama.

Katelyn Simmons:

Thank you. It's been the best.

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