Episode 142

142: Why 80% of Us Are Burned Out—And How to Fix It with Amber Hargroder

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"Your mitochondria and your structured water are constantly listening to your environment," says Amber Hargroder, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to explore the invisible forces behind burnout and how to create a regenerative business aligned with your authentic self. Hargroder, a business advisor turned burnout researcher, shares insights from her study of 100 million people with burnout, revealing that it's not just a mental health issue but largely an environmental one. She discusses how dysfunctional work environments, toxic relationships, and misaligned business models can drain our energy and lead to burnout, even when we're following all the right health practices.

In this eye-opening conversation, Hargroder introduces a groundbreaking technology that analyzes linguistic patterns to decode subconscious mindsets and decision-making processes. She explains how this tool can help individuals and businesses identify their authentic purpose, avoid burnout, and create sustainable success. Hargroder also draws fascinating parallels between the industrialization of bees and humans, offering a unique perspective on how modern systems have contributed to widespread burnout in both species.

Tune in to today's episode to learn more about the quantum perspective on burnout, the importance of authenticity in business, and how understanding your subconscious mindset can lead to a more fulfilling and sustainable career path.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Burnout is often an environmental issue, not just a mental health problem. Examine your work environment, relationships, and daily interactions to identify sources of energy depletion.

2. Align your business or career with your authentic self. Use tools like the Hive Check to understand your core mindset, decision-making style, and purpose to create a more sustainable path.

3. Be wary of one-size-fits-all business models or guru advice. What works for others may not work for you. Focus on building a business that matches your unique strengths and personality.

4. Pay attention to your body's signals when interacting with others. Tension, unease, or energy depletion may indicate misalignment or toxic dynamics that need addressing.

5. Cultivate a purpose-driven approach in your work or business. Having a clear "why" can reduce dysfunction and burnout while increasing motivation and fulfillment.

Memorable Quotes

"The vast majority of burnout cases, it's not a mental health issue, it's an environmental one. And oftentimes the causes of that are invisible."
"Your mitochondria and your structured water are constantly listening to your environment. We're trying to measure and monitor those for optimal holistic health."
"Only 6% of businesses have purpose. If you don't have purpose, it's going to cause dysfunction inherently within your business because then nobody knows what we're doing or why we're doing it."

Connect with Amber

Website: - https://www.amberhargroder.com/

Stealth Dog - https://www.stealthdog.com/

Instagram - instagram.com/amberhargroder

Newsletter - https://www.amberhargrodernewsletter.com/signup

Resources Mentioned

Song of Increase: Listening to the Wisdom of Honeybees for Kinder Beekeeping and a Better World by Jacqueline Freeman - https://amzn.to/3HsPfFf

The First Forty Days: The Essential Art of Nourishing the New Mother by Heng Ou - https://amzn.to/4mKumV9

The Invisible Rainbow by Arthur Firstenberg - https://amzn.to/46TqFYx

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

Amber Hargroder, welcome back to the QVC podcast.

Meredith Oke:

I'm laughing already because every time I have

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you on, I'm just laughing the whole time. So I'll

Meredith Oke:

take a deep breath. Welcome. It's really good to

Meredith Oke:

see you again.

Amber Hargroeder:

Great to be back. I'll try to keep the laughter

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to a minimum. No problem.

Meredith Oke:

I don't. I don't know what it is with our

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chemistry, but it's. It's just hilarious all the

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time. So. Okay, so the first time we spoke, we

Meredith Oke:

talked about the bees.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Which was amazing. So if anyone hasn't listened

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to that episode, it's in the. It's in the podcast

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guide. It's. Go back a couple of years, you'll

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find. Find it. We talked about quantum herbology,

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and now you have taken a sabbatical and you've

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come back with a whole new approach that combines

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all of these things, but is in a completely

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different realm, which is burnout. So tell us,

Meredith Oke:

like, tell us how you landed here.

Amber Hargroeder:

Well, I've been burned out in just about every

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way a person could be. So very competitive,

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ambitious, individual. I mean, all during high

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school, I was competing on the national show

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circuit for show jumping. I was, like, determined

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that I was going to be like National Velvet or

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not National. International Velvet, like, go to

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the Olympics. If anyone knows that film with. I

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can't even think of her name right now. But,

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yeah, great film. I was obsessed with horses. I

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worked constantly. I trained horses, all this

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stuff. I go to college, my horse gets injured, I

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get even more intense. And like, marathons,

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triathlons, I'm taking 21 hours a semester. I'm a

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dual major. I do everything that you can think

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of. And I end up moving to Copenhagen, and I

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crashed. I was in two different programs, and

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there was an architecture teacher who was

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teaching yoga Nidra. And that was the first

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introduction I got into. Like, when you're burned

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out, this is what you do, is you need to rest.

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And apparently it's funny how that's news.

Meredith Oke:

To some of us.

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Like, yeah, I'm like 20, 21 doing yoga nidra, all

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of a sudden. And, you know, it's like a long path

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where, you know, if you're a very Dr. And you

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have a ton of energy and you don't know where to

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put it, and you don't have enough focus, you can

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burn yourself out very easily. And so, you know,

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the journey started with kind of doing yoga

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Nidra. And then it got into, you know, herbalism,

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quantum, all these different things. And I

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realized when I was taking time off. I was like,

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you know, all the things that I've studied and

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learned about health, it was because I was burned

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out. And if you go back to the B conversation,

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you know, I got into bees because I was dealing

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with grief after my boyfriend had passed away. So

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that's a whole different type of burnout because

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I feel that from my personal experience and

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everyone dealing with grief has their own

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personal experience with it. You kind of lose

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half of your sense of self, especially if it's

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someone that you were very close with, like

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someone that you were romantically involved with

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and it's a traumatic experience. It's like all of

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the inside jokes are gone. All the stories you

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told yourself about who you are and what you were

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going to do and what your future looked like is

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gone. It's like it's. You've lost a person, but

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you've also lost a big chunk of yourself. And so

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you kind of have to reweave yourself. And when

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you're burned out, you've also kind of lost a

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sense of self and you need to reweave it in some

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way. And I think the problem with a lot of people

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is that we don't know what we need to be weaving

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with. We don't, we've lost the threads, we don't

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know. And for me, every instance that I had where

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I was burned out, I'm like, what do I do now?

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Like, who am I? What, what am I doing? You know,

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you, you get swept up, especially if you're

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driven. You get swept up in the momentum of

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something and you end up in different

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environments with different people and you're

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like, is this who I am? Is this who I'm meant to

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be? Is this right? And your intuition's not

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really working all that well because you don't

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trust it anymore, because you don't trust

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yourself. Because there's a big part of you

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that's missing. And that was a big revelation for

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me in this last time that I was burned out. So,

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you know, in addition to having a practice and

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having clients and teaching herbalism and

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speaking at events, I also was a full time

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business consultant. So I'm commuting from

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Louisiana to Minnesota. I'm going all over the

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country. I'm, you know, going into the most

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dysfunctional work environments possible,

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possible. And you see people who are self

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medicating with alcohol, with drugs, with

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nicotine, with coffee. You're drinking 20 cups of

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coffee a day. And there's a mentality, especially

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in the startup world, that you have to literally

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kill yourself for the purpose of the company or

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the startup. Like, you know, it's burn the candle

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at both ends. Just get it done. Knock it out. And

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that's a. That's a mentality that really destroys

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the human spirit in a lot of ways. And so I'm

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coming out of these types of environments, and

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I'm sitting down with myself, and I'm like,

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there's got to be a better way to do this. Like,

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at no point when I was burned out did I think, I

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need to go see a therapist or I need to go get on

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an ssri. It was. It was more just like, you know,

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I'm just so tired. And I think that's. That was

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just the phrase I kept saying. Like, I know my

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mother would be like, what do you have to be

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tired about? She's like, you're too young to be

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tired. I'm like, I'm just so tired. And when I. I

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had company in Chicago, I had a friend who was

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like, you realize you talk about death a lot, and

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this was like 15 years ago or something, But I

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was like, oh, my God, I do. And it's like,

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because you're so desperate for something, it's

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kind of seeping out in your language and in your

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habits where you're like, something needs to

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change, but you can't quite put your finger on

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it. And so what we basically created is a way to

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put a finger on it and be like, this is it. This

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is what you need to change. This is what the

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problem is. And to kind of turn down all the

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noise and give you a clear signal as to this is

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the direction to go. This is who you are. This is

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what you should be doing. And with that comes a

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lot of measuring, invisible things. And, you

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know, I never really thought, you know, as an

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intuitive person, you kind of feel the invisible,

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like your structured waters, like sending

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signals. And you're like, I don't know if I'm

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picking up on this code, but you kind of sense

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it. Like, I remember I went into this one company

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and the first All Hands meeting, I was like, oh,

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my God, this is a cult. I have to get the hell

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out of here. Like, this is bad. And I'm like,

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whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Just calm down. I don't

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know that yet. Maybe my intuition's wrong. You

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know, you start justifying it. You're like, no,

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it's a good paycheck. Like, I'm a stage day here.

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It's going to be okay. I can fix it. And once you

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get this type of report, you realize, whoa, no,

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this cannot be fixed. I got to get out of here,

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or it's going to destroy me. And I think that's

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kind of the big realization with burnout, is that

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nine times out of 10, it might not be a mental

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health issue. It's an environmental one. And

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quantum world, we deal with invisible things in

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our environment a lot. We study on EMFs. What

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water are you drinking? Grounding. Like, you

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can't really see the effects of grounding, I

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mean, unless you go get, like, the stuff scans or

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something. But we're working with invisible

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metrics. And so I now have another way to measure

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the invisible that is kind of like measuring what

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your water already knows. And we're validating

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your. Into your intuition. And I think that's a

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really cool thing.

Meredith Oke:

That is really cool. And when you say validating

Meredith Oke:

what your water already knows, you mean our. Our

Meredith Oke:

structured water in our bodies, right?

Amber Hargroeder:

So, I mean, if our water. We're always talking

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about how our structured water in our body is our

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cellular water is constantly paying attention.

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It's constantly measuring our environment, our

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reactions. Every time you talk to an individual,

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you know, like, you and I have this giggly

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chemistry, like, every person that you interact

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with, it's like a chemical equation, and we're

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trying to balance it subconsciously. And your

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water is picking up on signals that are maybe

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like, oh, is this right? Like, our intuition, at

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its most basic definition, is the recognition of

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patterns. And when we look at the work with, you

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know, Veda Austin or Emoto or whatever, all this

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crystallized structure and water is a pattern.

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And so if your intuition lives in that structured

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water and your mitochondria are picking up on all

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these things, and they're like, what's going on?

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Like, there's also things about the people that

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you're interacting with that, you know, there's

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that quote, like, human beings are, like, the

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only people that'll, like, go into danger because

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they want to be nice. Like, serial killers say,

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like, well, you know, the women were easy targets

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because they didn't want to be rude. Like, but,

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you know, your intuition is like, this is

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dangerous. And you're like, no. Your brain is

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like, no, it's fine. Just go. You're being

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ridiculous. And so I wanted a way to measure. Am

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I being ridiculous? Is it me? You know, am I

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crazy? And it turns out most of the time, you're

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not crazy. You're just in a bad environment, and

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it's just as bad and detrimental for your health

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as EMFs or bad lighting. It's just as bad for

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your m. To constantly be walking on eggshells or,

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like, scanning the room for any shifts or

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changes. Like, don't call on me. Don't pick on

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me. Like, oh, my God. You know, like, that's very

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bad for your health. And you get this tension

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where you're just like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

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Like, and if you get used to that tension long

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enough, you break down. So that's. That's a long

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story.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. No, and I. This is so fascinating because

Meredith Oke:

it. It's like the approach. The approach to

Meredith Oke:

burnout, you know, is a similar approach to any

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health issue from a quantum biologic standpoint,

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which is. Which is like, what is the environment

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you're putting yourself in? What is the

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environment you're putting your biology in?

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Whereas the more traditional approach is like,

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what are you putting in your body? Are you

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eating? What do you. We'll put supplements. We'll

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put food in there, which is a path, but you also

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need the path of what is surrounding you. What

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are you interacting with? And so you're now

Meredith Oke:

expanding that into the burnout. The burnout, I

Meredith Oke:

would say, epidemic.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah. So what's this for the fans of bees? Let's.

Amber Hargroeder:

Let's make a little parallel for a second to

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understand this burnout epidemic. So between June

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2024 and early of this year, or early 2025, it

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was estimated that 62% of all commercial beehives

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collapsed. It was the worst, like, collapse die

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off. On record, something like 1.6 million hives.

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Now, these are commercial hives, so everyone's

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like, oh, no, the honey business. I'm like, okay,

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well, you also killed millions of bees, and some

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people are saying that number could be even as

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high as 75% of those hives died. And I'm thinking

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about this, and I'm like, okay, well, I know that

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the commercial hives are weaker for many reasons

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that we've discussed in our previous podcast. But

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what's kind of crazy is at the same time all

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these bees are dying, we also have anywhere

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between, like, 60 to 80% of working professionals

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are completely burned out. Or if they don't want

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to admit to burnout, it's like, I have some

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symptoms of burnout. Yeah. So you've got these

Amber Hargroeder:

two things that are collapsing. You've got young

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people entering the workforce who are completely

Amber Hargroeder:

zapped already, and you've got all these bees

Amber Hargroeder:

dying. And it's kind of like, okay, well, what's

Amber Hargroeder:

the. What's the commonality Here.

Meredith Oke:

So what is the commonality here? I love talking

Meredith Oke:

to you. We're very excited to hear it.

Amber Hargroeder:

What's the pattern? What's the pattern between

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burned out office.

Meredith Oke:

Workers and dead bees?

Amber Hargroeder:

I mean, I know you're gonna tell us.

Meredith Oke:

So I, like, I have, I'm not, I'm not mocking you.

Meredith Oke:

I'm. I know I am like, so ready to hear this.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Amber Hargroeder:

Okay. So number one, most bees and commercial

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hives are not allowed to build out or draw down

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their own comb. They are not allowed to build

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honeycomb. It's on plastic sheets. The honeycomb

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dimensions are already like the requirements.

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Like the industry standard is already there

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because commercial.

Meredith Oke:

Oh my God. So they inform. They impose an

Meredith Oke:

industry standard on. Right on nature.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah. Don't want male bees. They don't want

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drones because they look at them as just honey

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eaters and so they don't want them. The drones

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are basically the sensory organ of the hive. They

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remind the bees of who they are, what their

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environment is. They're the all the different

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senses for them to understand what's happening in

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their environment and who they are.

Meredith Oke:

So the connections are now so clear, even five

Meredith Oke:

seconds in. Okay, I see it, I see it.

Amber Hargroeder:

So it's all about conformity. A drone cell is a

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different size and shape to a worker bee cell or

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a maiden cell female bee. And so they don't even

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want you to build out those cells. They're like,

Amber Hargroeder:

no, no. You can only make female bees for

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harvesting and keeping honey. So that's the first

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thing that's a parallel. Because a lot of young

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people, or. Well, first off, a lot of young

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people are lost. And that's a problem with our

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education system. And that's a conformity issue.

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And that's not every school. But if we look at

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the history of public education over the past 200

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years, it's like we trained people to be indus.

Amber Hargroeder:

Excuse me, factory workers. So raise your hand.

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Don't think outside the box. Don't be creative.

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Do the multiple choice test, which is the test

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for the lower orders, for lower order thinking.

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We're not inviting people to be creative. And as

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we enter this technological age with all of its

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uncertainty and questions, the people who will

Amber Hargroeder:

thrive are the creative ones. But we've taken

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away the creative impulse. So you've got all

Amber Hargroeder:

these people who are completely void of

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creativity, which creativity is. I mean, it's

Amber Hargroeder:

everything. I mean, it's a sexual energy. It's a

Amber Hargroeder:

productive energy. It's. It's something that it's

Amber Hargroeder:

generating the new and Right now, there's a lot

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of people in the tech space who are complaining

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that there's no innovation, there's just

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sustaining innovation. It's just like, oh, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, we'll just change. Like, look at Apple.

Amber Hargroeder:

We'll just change this one little thing. We'll

Amber Hargroeder:

take away one more port. It's innovation. Like,

Amber Hargroeder:

no, no, no. Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs at all. So

Amber Hargroeder:

that's an example. We're not allowing people to

Amber Hargroeder:

build things. We're just putting them in little

Amber Hargroeder:

pods and we're like, just do what we told you to

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do, which is what the education system has

Amber Hargroeder:

trained them for. If you look at the parallels

Amber Hargroeder:

between what a public school looks like and a

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prison looks like, and then you look at a

Amber Hargroeder:

corporate office, it's like the same thing. And

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so you've got these people who are actively

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protecting this status quo. And that's not even

Amber Hargroeder:

to mention that bees in the wild prefer circular

Amber Hargroeder:

shapes. They live in trees. They don't live in

Amber Hargroeder:

boxes. There is no straight line in nature, and

Amber Hargroeder:

there's certainly no straight line in a beacon.

Amber Hargroeder:

And they like to build in curves for ventilation.

Amber Hargroeder:

If you look at natural comb, it's usually very.

Amber Hargroeder:

It has curvatures to it. It's got. They're very

Amber Hargroeder:

creative all on their own. They build to fill the

Amber Hargroeder:

space. They build for what suits them. But they

Amber Hargroeder:

cannot do that in a commercial hive. So they're.

Amber Hargroeder:

They're already kind of like zombie bees to begin

Amber Hargroeder:

with. They don't remember what it is to be a bee.

Amber Hargroeder:

They're just living in these little boxes and

Amber Hargroeder:

rectangles on comb that has been predetermined

Amber Hargroeder:

with wax, that is usually full of chemicals and

Amber Hargroeder:

pesticides, or it's plastic, which that's a

Amber Hargroeder:

petroleum product. Like, that is not something

Amber Hargroeder:

that bees would encounter on their own. So that's

Amber Hargroeder:

the first problem. This is why humans are being

Amber Hargroeder:

humans and bees are burned out. Okay, that's

Amber Hargroeder:

number one. We've already talked about killing

Amber Hargroeder:

the drone, the drones. But what that basically

Amber Hargroeder:

tells humans is don't trust your intuition, don't

Amber Hargroeder:

trust your personal experiences. Jacqueline

Amber Hargroeder:

Freeman, in her book the Song of Increase, which

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm a huge fan of, we've talked about it

Amber Hargroeder:

previously, she talks about how the drones, like,

Amber Hargroeder:

sing to the baby bees, like the larva and the

Amber Hargroeder:

pips, and I hope I don't call the dog, that's her

Amber Hargroeder:

name thing sings to the baby bees to tell them

Amber Hargroeder:

the story of what it means to be a bee. Does

Amber Hargroeder:

anyone remember a story of what it means to be

Amber Hargroeder:

human? Were you told that story growing up. I

Amber Hargroeder:

mean, it just kind of like everybody's so

Amber Hargroeder:

negative. Like, to be human is hard. And it's

Amber Hargroeder:

like, no, to be human is to be creative. I mean,

Amber Hargroeder:

the example I often give, which probably isn't a

Amber Hargroeder:

fair example, but it's like Mozart was extremely

Amber Hargroeder:

creative, but so is the prisoner who makes a

Amber Hargroeder:

shiv. Or hooch is very creative. Crazy ends of

Amber Hargroeder:

the spectrum, but you've got this creative

Amber Hargroeder:

impulse that is an innately human thing, and

Amber Hargroeder:

that's being squashed. So we're killing the

Amber Hargroeder:

drones, and we're killing our creative sensory,

Amber Hargroeder:

like, pleasure organs to some degree. Like, I

Amber Hargroeder:

mean, there's great pride to be taken in making

Amber Hargroeder:

something with your hands or making art, just to

Amber Hargroeder:

make art. Not because it's got to make a profit

Amber Hargroeder:

or, you know, funnel money for the CIA. You can

Amber Hargroeder:

just make art, you know. So, number two, number

Amber Hargroeder:

three. And this is the most. I want to use the

Amber Hargroeder:

word egregious, but I hate that word. But it just

Amber Hargroeder:

feels that way. In commercial beekeeping, they

Amber Hargroeder:

constantly kill the queen. They are of the

Amber Hargroeder:

opinion that you have to have a new queen bee

Amber Hargroeder:

every year. So they kill her. And the queens of

Amber Hargroeder:

the hive is not. We've talked about it again

Amber Hargroeder:

previously, but it's not a monarch. She is the

Amber Hargroeder:

mother of the entire hive. She gives birth to

Amber Hargroeder:

2,000 eggs a day. Like, she determines what DNA

Amber Hargroeder:

they get. I mean, if it's her DNA, she's making

Amber Hargroeder:

male bees, which are drones, and that continues

Amber Hargroeder:

her lineage. Kind of like mitochondria come from

Amber Hargroeder:

the mother. It's continuing the lineage of the

Amber Hargroeder:

mother when she breeds, like the one time she

Amber Hargroeder:

breeds, she stockpiles all of this male DNA, and

Amber Hargroeder:

that goes into the female bees. And that's. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

really only use. And those bees don't breed. But

Amber Hargroeder:

a queen bee can live for years, a healthy queen.

Amber Hargroeder:

I mean, she's very productive for years at a

Amber Hargroeder:

time. And in commercial beekeeping, they actively

Amber Hargroeder:

murder her every year. And so what they do is

Amber Hargroeder:

they buy a replacement bee, which is a temporary

Amber Hargroeder:

bee. So let's say. And I have a personal story

Amber Hargroeder:

about queens that we'll get into in a minute, but

Amber Hargroeder:

say that you've accidentally squashed your queen.

Amber Hargroeder:

This did not happen to me, thank God. But let's

Amber Hargroeder:

say you did. Okay?

Meredith Oke:

So you have a beehive and you accidentally squish

Meredith Oke:

your queen or your queen.

Amber Hargroeder:

Dies for whatever reason.

Meredith Oke:

Okay?

Amber Hargroeder:

Great mystery of how that happened. Let's just

Amber Hargroeder:

say that she is now deceased. Okay? You're gonna

Amber Hargroeder:

have chaos. In the hive. So if I'm in that

Amber Hargroeder:

position and I'm like, I need a queen stat, there

Amber Hargroeder:

are two things I can do. I can order a temporary

Amber Hargroeder:

queen to put into the hive to. To, like, calm

Amber Hargroeder:

them down, and hopefully they accept her. Or I

Amber Hargroeder:

can wait to see if they build their own temporary

Amber Hargroeder:

queen. A healthy hive will do this. They will

Amber Hargroeder:

have a female bee who's not built for

Amber Hargroeder:

reproduction, kind of become able to reproduce

Amber Hargroeder:

enough until they have their bearings to have a

Amber Hargroeder:

real queen. So they kind of like, have this

Amber Hargroeder:

patchwork mechanism that they can put into play

Amber Hargroeder:

if they really need a queen and they don't have

Amber Hargroeder:

one. Well, the temporary queen is not meant to be

Amber Hargroeder:

the long reigning queen. Okay? Like, she's not

Amber Hargroeder:

gonna go the distance. She's just kind of the

Amber Hargroeder:

emergency, like the band aid that you have for

Amber Hargroeder:

the hive. So the hive, the colony continues to

Amber Hargroeder:

live. It's. It's more just like, this is our. In

Amber Hargroeder:

a pinch, we're doing this, it's a substitution.

Amber Hargroeder:

You know, you want the real deal. When you're

Amber Hargroeder:

constantly killing your queen for a commercial

Amber Hargroeder:

hive and you're constantly purchasing queens,

Amber Hargroeder:

you're only buying temporary queens. They are

Amber Hargroeder:

breeding temporary patches. They're not buying

Amber Hargroeder:

the good ones. It's not a real queen. It's just

Amber Hargroeder:

kind of like, I don't know, the rebound.

Meredith Oke:

The stepmother.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah. It's not. It's not what you think it is.

Amber Hargroeder:

They're not the same things. It's kind of like a

Amber Hargroeder:

GMO versus an heirloom. They're two totally

Amber Hargroeder:

different things. And in commercial beekeeping,

Amber Hargroeder:

they just assume or they're taught. I mean, a lot

Amber Hargroeder:

of people want to save the bees, so they start

Amber Hargroeder:

beekeeping. And I'm not, like, you know, trying

Amber Hargroeder:

to be mean about that. They're trained that this

Amber Hargroeder:

is normal, that you need to kill your queen. And

Amber Hargroeder:

to me, it's like, I would never do that. Like,

Amber Hargroeder:

that would be horrible. Like, I can't. I can't

Amber Hargroeder:

even. Well, I can't kill anything. But, like, I

Amber Hargroeder:

almost got bitten by a water moccasin, and I

Amber Hargroeder:

wouldn't let my husband kill it. I was like, no.

Amber Hargroeder:

So I was like, it deserves to live. So me killing

Amber Hargroeder:

queens would be horrible. But anyway, in

Amber Hargroeder:

commercial beekeeping, they do that. And in our

Amber Hargroeder:

current society, if you look at what the ancients

Amber Hargroeder:

or even old practices like Chinese medicine think

Amber Hargroeder:

about the heart. Like, your soul lives in your

Amber Hargroeder:

heart. Your wisdom lives in your heart. We're

Amber Hargroeder:

crushing that. In our current. In our society,

Amber Hargroeder:

the way that the systems are built we're crushing

Amber Hargroeder:

that queen energy within ourselves. And so we're

Amber Hargroeder:

going for like, quick dopamine hits or like quick

Amber Hargroeder:

bursts of happiness. It's like a sugar high. But

Amber Hargroeder:

we're not actually finding our true purpose and

Amber Hargroeder:

we're not finding that, that wholeness within

Amber Hargroeder:

ourselves that the queen brings to the hive. We

Amber Hargroeder:

have effectively crushed it. And it, in a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

cases, it gets crushed at a very young age. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

like, you know, I mean, my, my family kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

tried to crush it. They were like, stop being

Amber Hargroeder:

weird. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to be

Amber Hargroeder:

weird even more. But, you know, a lot of people,

Amber Hargroeder:

they just aren't given a chance. They, they.

Amber Hargroeder:

It's. It's very difficult in our society because

Amber Hargroeder:

anybody who's weird is seen as a threat to the

Amber Hargroeder:

status quo to some degree. Maybe it's just at a

Amber Hargroeder:

micro level. And so we're like, no, no, just be

Amber Hargroeder:

this temporary thing and just follow trends

Amber Hargroeder:

instead of being like, whole within yourself and

Amber Hargroeder:

feeling this flow of a higher awareness of self

Amber Hargroeder:

within, within. And that causes a lot of chaos.

Amber Hargroeder:

If you kill the queen, a hive goes into chaos.

Amber Hargroeder:

They don't have anything grounding them or

Amber Hargroeder:

centering them. I mean, everything in the hive is

Amber Hargroeder:

based on scent of the queen. They all know where

Amber Hargroeder:

she is at any given point in time. And, like,

Amber Hargroeder:

they feel the vibration of her existence on the

Amber Hargroeder:

comb. I mean, the comb is like their fascia. So

Amber Hargroeder:

it's kind of like they know what's going on. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

a major communication medium. When they don't

Amber Hargroeder:

have that heart energy in the hive, it's just

Amber Hargroeder:

like they get violent, they get chaotic. The

Amber Hargroeder:

sound in the hive gets very high pitched. They

Amber Hargroeder:

mourn her. And so it's kind of like the idea that

Amber Hargroeder:

that's not a necessary part of a beehive or a

Amber Hargroeder:

person is something that drives a lot of misery

Amber Hargroeder:

and collapse because you don't have that

Amber Hargroeder:

connection to self. You don't have that higher

Amber Hargroeder:

energy, like keeping you together and keeping you

Amber Hargroeder:

in harmony, harmony within the self. So that's

Amber Hargroeder:

another example then. In commercial beekeeping,

Amber Hargroeder:

it's a lot of chemical use, unnatural materials

Amber Hargroeder:

we've talked about already, the rectangles and

Amber Hargroeder:

the plastic and all that. But they use a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

chemicals to treat the hives because there's

Amber Hargroeder:

mites or, you know, in the south, we have hive

Amber Hargroeder:

beetles, which, I don't know, we're not going to

Amber Hargroeder:

get into hive beetles, but they are the devil.

Amber Hargroeder:

But, but yeah, you've got all of these Chemicals

Amber Hargroeder:

that we're using. And kind of like what I

Amber Hargroeder:

mentioned in the startup world or in a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

companies, it's like, do whatever you need to do

Amber Hargroeder:

to your physical structure to get through, get it

Amber Hargroeder:

done.

Meredith Oke:

To keep going, to push through. Hustle, hustle,

Meredith Oke:

hustle, hustle.

Amber Hargroeder:

And that's not including the, the lighting

Amber Hargroeder:

environment, the EMFs. You're bathed in the

Amber Hargroeder:

terrible food they feed you. A lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

corporations, they're like, oh, you're burned

Amber Hargroeder:

out, here's some donuts, here's some fast food,

Amber Hargroeder:

here's some domino's pizza. I'm like, really?

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, I don't think this is gonna help. Can I

Amber Hargroeder:

have a vegetable? But so that's the other thing.

Amber Hargroeder:

And then commercial hives are constantly moving.

Amber Hargroeder:

So you know, with all of this colony collapse, if

Amber Hargroeder:

you've got a toddler right now, I really feel for

Amber Hargroeder:

you because this is going to affect the prices of

Amber Hargroeder:

your raspberries. But they're constantly moving

Amber Hargroeder:

these hives to pollinate monoculture crops or

Amber Hargroeder:

monocrops. So the bees are only eating almonds

Amber Hargroeder:

every day for weeks on end. Or they're only

Amber Hargroeder:

eating, you know, pollen from berries for months

Amber Hargroeder:

at a time.

Meredith Oke:

Where a hive in nature, they would fly around to

Meredith Oke:

all different.

Amber Hargroeder:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

There's a lot of access to a variety of.

Amber Hargroeder:

Right. Bees are flowers. Bees are like the

Amber Hargroeder:

original herbalists. Like they know how to heal

Amber Hargroeder:

themselves, but if you keep moving them, they

Amber Hargroeder:

have no map of the landscape. And let's go back

Amber Hargroeder:

to the fact that bees in nature live in hollowed

Amber Hargroeder:

out tree trunks. They don't like to be near the

Amber Hargroeder:

ground. They like to be in one insulated roundish

Amber Hargroeder:

shape. They, they're tree creatures. They're not

Amber Hargroeder:

earth creatures, very much earth and sun, or

Amber Hargroeder:

excuse me, air and sun is more their energetics.

Amber Hargroeder:

But in, in our situation, we have these

Amber Hargroeder:

dysfunctional work environments. It's the

Amber Hargroeder:

equivalent of moving hives around the country to,

Amber Hargroeder:

you know, populate, to pollinate a single crop.

Amber Hargroeder:

So we've got these dysfunctional environments and

Amber Hargroeder:

it's making people like hate business in general.

Amber Hargroeder:

It's making people anti capitalist. And there's a

Amber Hargroeder:

whole, you know, there's a lot of things we could

Amber Hargroeder:

break down about that. But a lot of people who

Amber Hargroeder:

are practicing practitioners, whether you're an

Amber Hargroeder:

herbalist, a health coach, whatever, that is

Amber Hargroeder:

inherently capitalistic because you're not doing

Amber Hargroeder:

it for free more often than not. But when it,

Amber Hargroeder:

when we get into these dysfunctional

Amber Hargroeder:

environments, we think it's having a business

Amber Hargroeder:

that is inherently the problem. It's not Having a

Amber Hargroeder:

business, it's having a dysfunctional business

Amber Hargroeder:

that makes you miserable and is the problem. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

corruption. It's, you know, different types of

Amber Hargroeder:

personalities. I mean, surprisingly, not a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

CEOs are narcissistic, but we do have a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

like, dictator type CEOs like, or people in

Amber Hargroeder:

companies that make you miserable. You've got

Amber Hargroeder:

obstructionists, you might have a good idea, and

Amber Hargroeder:

they just say no to everything. Like these little

Amber Hargroeder:

things in micro doses. You know, in quantum, we

Amber Hargroeder:

talk about like a micro dose can make a world of

Amber Hargroeder:

difference for your health. Like, not microdosing

Amber Hargroeder:

psilocybin, microdosing nature can make a big

Amber Hargroeder:

difference. Like changing your light bulbs,

Amber Hargroeder:

turning your WI fi off at night. Like these

Amber Hargroeder:

little changes going out to get morning light,

Amber Hargroeder:

they make a huge difference in your quality of

Amber Hargroeder:

life and your health. But on the flip side,

Amber Hargroeder:

that's also true for negativity. If you've got a

Amber Hargroeder:

lot of micro doses of nonsense in your working

Amber Hargroeder:

environment, that takes a significant toll on

Amber Hargroeder:

your health. So all of these things kind of come

Amber Hargroeder:

together where, you know, if, if we want to go

Amber Hargroeder:

back to that metaphor of every cell is a beehive

Amber Hargroeder:

and every mitochondria is a bee. You are an

Amber Hargroeder:

ecosystem of hives. You are a great hive. And we

Amber Hargroeder:

can take that all the way up to, you know, the,

Amber Hargroeder:

the entire world is a hive. You can take that all

Amber Hargroeder:

the way up and the vibration is off. And so real,

Amber Hargroeder:

real quick, the story I'm going to tell you about

Amber Hargroeder:

my queen situation. So again, bees do not like to

Amber Hargroeder:

follow directions. They will do what they want.

Amber Hargroeder:

And I am a bee centric beekeeper. So I let my

Amber Hargroeder:

bees draw down their own comb. I'm not in it for

Amber Hargroeder:

honey production, although I do buy honey from

Amber Hargroeder:

other beekeepers. But, you know, I'm more just,

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm studying bees, I'm working with bees. Like, I

Amber Hargroeder:

have a relationship with my bees that's more

Amber Hargroeder:

important to me than a business in this, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, situation. But I wasn't able to go check on

Amber Hargroeder:

my bees for a while because it was raining every

Amber Hargroeder:

day in Louisiana. It just rains all the time

Amber Hargroeder:

because it gets very hot, the humidity gets

Amber Hargroeder:

really dense, and then it breaks with a storm.

Amber Hargroeder:

And it just like, I can't open the hive when it's

Amber Hargroeder:

over 80 to 84 degrees. That's a problem, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, living in like this hot climate. And then

Amber Hargroeder:

if it's raining, I'm certainly not going to open

Amber Hargroeder:

it. Well, my bees built comb and they joined two

Amber Hargroeder:

bars together. They merged Something together,

Amber Hargroeder:

and they merged it at the bottom, not at the top.

Amber Hargroeder:

So when I went to pull the bars apart, I didn't

Amber Hargroeder:

realize I had a cross comb situation. I started,

Amber Hargroeder:

like, surgically trying to separate them so I can

Amber Hargroeder:

see what's going on. And comb collapsed into the

Amber Hargroeder:

hive. And it's just like, as a beekeeper, when

Amber Hargroeder:

this happens, you're just like, oh, my God. So,

Amber Hargroeder:

like, this is the worst case scenario. And so I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

getting this comb out of the hive because I can't

Amber Hargroeder:

leave it in there. And I realized there was brood

Amber Hargroeder:

at the bottom of that honeycomb, and I can't find

Amber Hargroeder:

the queen. And if there's brood right there, that

Amber Hargroeder:

means my queen was laying eggs. So I'm like, oh,

Amber Hargroeder:

my God. Where is my queen? And I can see there's

Amber Hargroeder:

a little bit more cross comb. They're super

Amber Hargroeder:

stressed out. I don't want to make them

Amber Hargroeder:

miserable. So I just, like, I got the comb out, I

Amber Hargroeder:

closed the hive, and I'm sitting there like, oh,

Amber Hargroeder:

my God, what did I do? What did I do? You know,

Amber Hargroeder:

like, panic mode. And so I realized, well, I can

Amber Hargroeder:

go sit and listen to their sound and see if they

Amber Hargroeder:

have that high screech warning noise. And then I

Amber Hargroeder:

realized I can record this with my phone and

Amber Hargroeder:

study the sound waves using AI. So I put my phone.

Meredith Oke:

So cool. Okay.

Amber Hargroeder:

I put my phone on the hive, which I know that's

Amber Hargroeder:

in your mask and all that. It was very short

Amber Hargroeder:

version, just for a minute, and I recorded the

Amber Hargroeder:

sound of the hive, and I did this every day for a

Amber Hargroeder:

couple of days to let them recover from this. I

Amber Hargroeder:

didn't want to open the hive and cause chaos

Amber Hargroeder:

again, so I just kept recording the sound and

Amber Hargroeder:

measuring their vibrations. And I realized, okay,

Amber Hargroeder:

this hive still has a queen. Like, based just on

Amber Hargroeder:

the vibration, they're okay. And I just kept

Amber Hargroeder:

going back and sitting with them and, like,

Amber Hargroeder:

listening, and it's like, okay, we're good. We're

Amber Hargroeder:

good. And sure enough, I just saw her, like, two

Amber Hargroeder:

days ago. She's fine. She's lame. So we're good.

Amber Hargroeder:

You know, that really panicked me, but I had to

Amber Hargroeder:

measure something that was invisible to the eye

Amber Hargroeder:

because I couldn't open the box. So. And I think

Amber Hargroeder:

that's really to round this all out. What I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

doing with burnout today is effectively a hive

Amber Hargroeder:

check without opening the hive. I'm checking the

Amber Hargroeder:

vibration of the hive based off of your language.

Amber Hargroeder:

So based off of the sound that you're making and

Amber Hargroeder:

the words that you're using and That I think has

Amber Hargroeder:

actually turned out to be very accurate in a very

Amber Hargroeder:

strange way.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Yes. Okay. So to. To bring this back full,

Meredith Oke:

full circle. Sorry, this is just so amazing. I

Meredith Oke:

mean, it's so cool. So I'm just going to explain

Meredith Oke:

for. For everyone listening. So Amber reached out

Meredith Oke:

and she's like, I'm working on burnout. I'm like,

Meredith Oke:

okay. And she sent me some questions. She said,

Meredith Oke:

right. Stream of consciousness answers. Don't

Meredith Oke:

think about it. They were not multiple choices.

Meredith Oke:

They were very simple questions. You know, what's

Meredith Oke:

your favorite this, what's your favorite that?

Meredith Oke:

Things like that. And I wrote just a few

Meredith Oke:

paragraphs. It took me, you know, I don't know,

Meredith Oke:

five or seven minutes. And I sent them back to

Meredith Oke:

Amber, and I was kind of like, what? What's

Meredith Oke:

happening? She's like, I have this thing. And

Meredith Oke:

anyway, and then. So then you sent me back this

Meredith Oke:

report that described me quite well, actually,

Meredith Oke:

and I showed it to other people. They're like,

Meredith Oke:

oh, yeah, yeah, totally. You should work on that,

Meredith Oke:

you know, because it has, like, the, you know,

Meredith Oke:

the upsides, the downsides, areas of weakness. So

Meredith Oke:

just to explain to people. So that's what

Meredith Oke:

happened. And then I gave it to some of my

Meredith Oke:

coaching clients. And I didn't. I just gave them

Meredith Oke:

the questions and I told them to answer. Stream

Meredith Oke:

of consciousness, same thing. And then they send

Meredith Oke:

you their responses and. And you put their stuff

Meredith Oke:

into your magic Be inspired Mathematic linguistic

Meredith Oke:

algorithm, but conjured out of the ether these

Meredith Oke:

insanely accurate profiles. So I just wanted to

Meredith Oke:

explain that so that this is like, what's

Meredith Oke:

happening. This is what Amber is working on. So.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, take it from there.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah. So what basically happened is that I had

Amber Hargroeder:

known this abstract mathematician for like a

Amber Hargroeder:

decade, and we had reconnected and he was. Had

Amber Hargroeder:

been building the software for, like, 15 years.

Amber Hargroeder:

And his whole thing was he wanted to remove

Amber Hargroeder:

dysfunction from companies. And he'd been CEO of.

Amber Hargroeder:

Well, he was CEO of Spider Oak, if anybody knows

Amber Hargroeder:

what that company is. It's like need to know

Amber Hargroeder:

technology. It was like encrypted stuff. He's got

Amber Hargroeder:

code in space. He's like this really talented

Amber Hargroeder:

mathematician programmer. And he. We had kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

fallen out of contact with each other because

Amber Hargroeder:

both of his parents had been diagnosed with

Amber Hargroeder:

Alzheimer's at the exact same time. And so he

Amber Hargroeder:

spent 10 years taking care of his parents while

Amber Hargroeder:

he was building this program. And we reconnect.

Meredith Oke:

Sorry. Sorry I interrupt you just for a sec,

Meredith Oke:

because what, like, what I'm hearing is sort of

Meredith Oke:

life circumstances pulled him out of that day to

Meredith Oke:

day hustle that you were talking about. And he

Meredith Oke:

just spent all his free time being creative with

Meredith Oke:

his genius, right?

Amber Hargroeder:

Pretty much. I mean, in the spare moments, I

Amber Hargroeder:

mean, from the stories that I've heard, I mean,

Amber Hargroeder:

dealing with double Alzheimer's is a grueling

Amber Hargroeder:

process. And I wasn't.

Meredith Oke:

That's really intense.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, I, you know, but he somehow.

Meredith Oke:

Managed in the, in that time.

Amber Hargroeder:

So his goal, be creative. Yeah, his goal was

Amber Hargroeder:

basically to do something for himself. And that

Amber Hargroeder:

was like his personal time. And I think that's

Amber Hargroeder:

another area of burnout that we don't talk about

Amber Hargroeder:

enough. And I certainly didn't mention it earlier

Amber Hargroeder:

in my list of burnout is caregivers. You get

Amber Hargroeder:

burned out because especially when you're dealing

Amber Hargroeder:

with someone who's, you know, terminally ill or,

Amber Hargroeder:

you know, just dealing with someone who has like

Amber Hargroeder:

a really nasty flu or Covid or something, you can

Amber Hargroeder:

burn yourself out taking care of other people

Amber Hargroeder:

instead of taking care of yourself. And I know in

Amber Hargroeder:

the instances where I have been a caregiver, it's

Amber Hargroeder:

like, you don't think about eating, you don't

Amber Hargroeder:

think about sleep. It's. You're running off of

Amber Hargroeder:

adrenaline. And for the period of time that

Amber Hargroeder:

you're running on that adrenaline, you don't

Amber Hargroeder:

realize the deficit that you're building. And

Amber Hargroeder:

then when it finally reaches a conclusion of some

Amber Hargroeder:

kind, good or bad, it's kind of like a slinky

Amber Hargroeder:

going down the stairs. It all just catches up

Amber Hargroeder:

with you so fast and you just feel like slammed

Amber Hargroeder:

against the wall and you're like, what happened?

Amber Hargroeder:

And if that experience does end in loss, then you

Amber Hargroeder:

go through the grief process, which we've already

Amber Hargroeder:

discussed. But it is a form of burnout because

Amber Hargroeder:

you're running off of your reserves, like your

Amber Hargroeder:

mineral reserves, your fat reserves. You know,

Amber Hargroeder:

you're. You're running off of your, like your

Amber Hargroeder:

emergency stash of life. And when you go through

Amber Hargroeder:

that and you burn through it, it's like, how do

Amber Hargroeder:

you even start regenerating that? Like, where do

Amber Hargroeder:

you go? You've hit the bottom. And so for him, he

Amber Hargroeder:

was taking care of his parents and he was

Amber Hargroeder:

building the software and we reconnected and he's

Amber Hargroeder:

like, you know, I'd like to run you. And I gave

Amber Hargroeder:

him like 3,000 words of text and he gave me a

Amber Hargroeder:

report on myself. And it was really good, but it

Amber Hargroeder:

was also kind of bad, you know, and I think

Amber Hargroeder:

that's the beauty of these reports. Sports is for

Amber Hargroeder:

me, I was very results oriented, which we've kind

Amber Hargroeder:

of already discussed. Like, anyone who's very

Amber Hargroeder:

driven has kind of like that fire energy where

Amber Hargroeder:

you just like, go, go, go. You're prone to

Amber Hargroeder:

burnout. But I also had a really high holistic

Amber Hargroeder:

score. Like, I was like this close to Rupert

Amber Hargroeder:

Sheldrake. I was like, oh, I'm gonna, I wanna go

Amber Hargroeder:

for that more, you know.

Meredith Oke:

I believe it. I totally believe it.

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, oh man, that'd be so cool. But the thing

Amber Hargroeder:

holding me back is I had an off the chart self

Amber Hargroeder:

martyr score. And I was like, oh, man, what? And

Amber Hargroeder:

I started thinking about all the ways I have

Amber Hargroeder:

sacrificed myself for like everybody and

Amber Hargroeder:

caregivers. If you have any tendency towards self

Amber Hargroeder:

martyrdom, it's kind of like, I'm not saying this

Amber Hargroeder:

in a, in a bad way, like, oh, you put yourself

Amber Hargroeder:

martyrdom.

Meredith Oke:

No, I mean, I'm thinking of being a new mother.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, that, you know, you just described it. It's

Meredith Oke:

like all of a sudden everything. And if you have

Meredith Oke:

no, you know, if you're like. For me, I was used

Meredith Oke:

to, to the working use of my energy. Just go, go,

Meredith Oke:

go, go till you crash. And then they'll take a

Meredith Oke:

vacation or a weekend comes or something. But

Meredith Oke:

then you have a baby, you, like, the baby doesn't

Meredith Oke:

have a weekend.

Amber Hargroeder:

You just.

Meredith Oke:

And so if you know, at a certain point, it's

Meredith Oke:

these.

Amber Hargroeder:

Well, I mean, how many women, when they're

Amber Hargroeder:

pregnant are drinking nourishing herbs or eating

Amber Hargroeder:

nourishing foods, if you can even keep food down?

Amber Hargroeder:

One of my sisters vomited from the end of that

Amber Hargroeder:

pregnancy. She couldn't keep anything down, so

Amber Hargroeder:

her teeth started breaking because she was so

Amber Hargroeder:

malnourished by the end of it. And then you start

Amber Hargroeder:

breastfeeding. And there's these wonderful books.

Amber Hargroeder:

It's called the first 40 days, first nine months,

Amber Hargroeder:

and something about fertility. There's three of

Amber Hargroeder:

them. I cannot think of the author's name right

Amber Hargroeder:

now, but they are wonderful books. Just look for

Amber Hargroeder:

the first 40 days. And it's like how to nourish

Amber Hargroeder:

yourself as a mother. Whether you're preparing to

Amber Hargroeder:

become a mother, you're pregnant, or you just had

Amber Hargroeder:

a baby. Because a lot of postpartum is, is a type

Amber Hargroeder:

of burnout where you have no nutrient nourishment

Amber Hargroeder:

whatsoever. Like you're just completely depleted.

Amber Hargroeder:

And that causes a lot of like, neurological

Amber Hargroeder:

things. And it might seem like it's a mental

Amber Hargroeder:

health thing. Like, I'm so depressed, I'm so

Amber Hargroeder:

miserable, I'm so angry. And it's like, actually

Amber Hargroeder:

you need like stinging nettles or you need you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, red raspberry leaf. Because you have no

Amber Hargroeder:

nutrition left in your cells, you've been, you've

Amber Hargroeder:

sacrificed yourself. So I mean, that's a

Amber Hargroeder:

beautiful thing. And I haven't gone through that

Amber Hargroeder:

experience yet, ever. I don't know. But, but

Amber Hargroeder:

it's, it's just one of those things where we, we

Amber Hargroeder:

don't know how to nourish ourselves

Amber Hargroeder:

appropriately. And you know, for me, realizing I

Amber Hargroeder:

was a self martyr, I realized all the ways that I

Amber Hargroeder:

had kind of been like, you know, when centipedes

Amber Hargroeder:

have babies, their babies eat them. I had kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

had that mentality a little bit like, I will

Amber Hargroeder:

sacrifice myself for someone else. And as soon as

Amber Hargroeder:

I saw that, I was like, whoa, okay, hold on. How

Amber Hargroeder:

has that benefited me? You know, not to be

Amber Hargroeder:

selfish, but it's like I'm the person who's had

Amber Hargroeder:

all these burnout experiences and it's like I can

Amber Hargroeder:

count or look back at every instance of the way

Amber Hargroeder:

that I practically killed myself to the point

Amber Hargroeder:

that I was thinking about killing myself because

Amber Hargroeder:

I was so run down. I mean, this is over long

Amber Hargroeder:

periods of time, but it's just kind of like you

Amber Hargroeder:

get so depleted that you're just like, I don't

Amber Hargroeder:

know what to do anymore. And you know, for me,

Amber Hargroeder:

getting that initial report was very eye opening

Amber Hargroeder:

about my behavior. So in the, in the research for

Amber Hargroeder:

mindset psychology, it's called your action

Amber Hargroeder:

logic. So your mindset dictates how you make

Amber Hargroeder:

decisions, what actions you take to do things.

Amber Hargroeder:

And everybody has a different, it's like a mosaic

Amber Hargroeder:

of all these different possibilities. Like no two

Amber Hargroeder:

people are exactly alike. And based on your

Amber Hargroeder:

environment, based on your upbringing, based on

Amber Hargroeder:

your innate, you know, soul, you have different

Amber Hargroeder:

levels of everything. And it's, it, it kind of, I

Amber Hargroeder:

mean, if we get a little woo, it kind of reminds

Amber Hargroeder:

me of the Tower of Babel a little bit. Like

Amber Hargroeder:

everybody is. So everyone's the same. They're all

Amber Hargroeder:

building the exact same thing. And then God's

Amber Hargroeder:

like, no, no, no, that's not what we're doing

Amber Hargroeder:

here. And so it's like everybody gets split off

Amber Hargroeder:

into these different languages. And, and I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

like, well, okay, maybe it's not like French and

Amber Hargroeder:

Spanish versus like Romanian and Russian. Maybe

Amber Hargroeder:

it's, I mean, those three romantic languages,

Amber Hargroeder:

it's not that different. But anyway, it's a, it's

Amber Hargroeder:

not like everybody branched off into a language,

Amber Hargroeder:

but what if everyone branched off into a

Amber Hargroeder:

different subconscious? And so everybody has like

Amber Hargroeder:

diverse things that they're supposed to be doing

Amber Hargroeder:

or being or creating and it's not that we're all

Amber Hargroeder:

supposed to be building this monolithic thing.

Amber Hargroeder:

We're all supposed to be souls having a unique

Amber Hargroeder:

experience. Experience. And, and so I think what

Amber Hargroeder:

we're doing here is measuring if you're lost in

Amber Hargroeder:

that journey because of the education system,

Amber Hargroeder:

because of the career you chose, because of the

Amber Hargroeder:

environment you're in or the people you're

Amber Hargroeder:

around, if you're confused about who you are,

Amber Hargroeder:

what you should be doing, what your purpose is in

Amber Hargroeder:

life, and why you're so exhausted, this seems to

Amber Hargroeder:

be a solution for that. This is like the ultimate

Amber Hargroeder:

hive check. For the individual to be like, okay,

Amber Hargroeder:

how's. How's my queen doing? How are my drones,

Amber Hargroeder:

my worker bees? Like, am I able to be creat

Amber Hargroeder:

enough to produce honey?

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Oh, I love this metaphor. Yes. And that's

Meredith Oke:

going to look a little bit different for

Meredith Oke:

everyone, and yet we're trying to fit it in.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so I want to hear, like, the different

Meredith Oke:

sections of the report, but I also just want to

Meredith Oke:

bring up something that I've been that I think

Meredith Oke:

about a lot that ties into this, which is that I

Meredith Oke:

work with so many very talented practitioners and

Meredith Oke:

coaches and people who have a deep heart to

Meredith Oke:

serve, and they just want to work with clients.

Meredith Oke:

And yet in our current setup, society wise, as

Meredith Oke:

you were mentioning before, for most of them, the

Meredith Oke:

only way to do that is to run a business, which

Meredith Oke:

is not necessarily something that they are

Meredith Oke:

oriented to. You know, some people have that,

Meredith Oke:

like, kind of business part of them, and they

Meredith Oke:

just step into it, but a lot of them don't. But

Meredith Oke:

there's not. It's. It's. So I'm curious, right?

Meredith Oke:

Like, you can be living your purpose in terms of,

Meredith Oke:

you know, being a holistic health coach or being

Meredith Oke:

a naturopath or whatever it is in, in terms of

Meredith Oke:

what you do. But then you have to devote all this

Meredith Oke:

energy to building a business structure around

Meredith Oke:

it. And I'm just curious what your thoughts are

Meredith Oke:

on that in terms of causing burnout.

Amber Hargroeder:

Well, this is where my background as a business

Amber Hargroeder:

consultant really comes into play. So, you know,

Amber Hargroeder:

right now the report is geared towards more

Amber Hargroeder:

corporate people. So you might have noticed that

Amber Hargroeder:

in some of the language, it's like, you know, you

Amber Hargroeder:

can't. It's not a good idea for you to work with

Amber Hargroeder:

these types of people because they're going to

Amber Hargroeder:

burn you out for various reasons. Reasons. And,

Amber Hargroeder:

you know, there, there's different types of a

Amber Hargroeder:

burnout situation. So you can have the physical

Amber Hargroeder:

burnout situation, which is like, you're Just

Amber Hargroeder:

physically, you're running yourself ragged. Or,

Amber Hargroeder:

you know, cops, people working in healthcare,

Amber Hargroeder:

people who have to work night shifts and their

Amber Hargroeder:

circadian rhythm is off, like by a lot. Those

Amber Hargroeder:

people will burn out. And there's a reason why a

Amber Hargroeder:

lot of like law enforcement don't stay in law

Amber Hargroeder:

enforcement all the way to retirement. Like, it,

Amber Hargroeder:

just think about it, you're working night shifts

Amber Hargroeder:

every two weeks or so. You're surrounded by EMFs.

Amber Hargroeder:

It's like a fight or flight situation every

Amber Hargroeder:

night. Like long periods of time followed by huge

Amber Hargroeder:

adrenaline spikes. I mean, that'll burn you out.

Meredith Oke:

And being called into situations with the

Meredith Oke:

absolute worst behavior society has to offer.

Amber Hargroeder:

Oh, absolutely. And you know, I've worked, I've

Amber Hargroeder:

worked with a lot of law enforcement and like

Amber Hargroeder:

people in the ICAC division, which is Internet

Amber Hargroeder:

crimes against children, like they see horrible

Amber Hargroeder:

things. So that burns them out. So you know that

Amber Hargroeder:

that's one aspect of burnout is that the state of

Amber Hargroeder:

your, the what your job requires you to do can

Amber Hargroeder:

burn you out just by the nature of it or the way

Amber Hargroeder:

that, you know, you don't want cops. I mean, I

Amber Hargroeder:

don't want to say, I don't want law enforcement

Amber Hargroeder:

to not follow their circadian rhythm. But if

Amber Hargroeder:

there's an emergency at 3 in the morning, do you

Amber Hargroeder:

want them to be like, sorry, we're sleeping.

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, you know, it's, it's part of the sacrifice

Amber Hargroeder:

that has to be made. But so that's okay physical.

Amber Hargroeder:

So that can affect a business owner or a

Amber Hargroeder:

freelancer. Absolutely. Because if you don't set

Amber Hargroeder:

boundaries and you've got clients messaging you,

Amber Hargroeder:

this can happen in corporate, this can happen

Amber Hargroeder:

when you have your own business. But if you don't

Amber Hargroeder:

understand how you best operate, and especially

Amber Hargroeder:

for female entrepreneurs or female founders,

Amber Hargroeder:

maybe look at how your cycle works. Because if

Amber Hargroeder:

you know when you're going to be on your bleed,

Amber Hargroeder:

you probably shouldn't be seeing clients during

Amber Hargroeder:

that time. You should just rest, like push

Amber Hargroeder:

everything to the front of the cycle or the

Amber Hargroeder:

middle of the cycle. Like not then. So you can't

Amber Hargroeder:

have kind of control. But if you have a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

empathy, chances are you're not going to want to

Amber Hargroeder:

tell people no, or you're not going to want to

Amber Hargroeder:

have those structures or boundaries because your

Amber Hargroeder:

impulse is to help people. And look, when I first

Amber Hargroeder:

got my very first report, my empathy was like

Amber Hargroeder:

crazy high. And I was like, whoa, that's too much

Amber Hargroeder:

empathy. This needs to be dialed down. I gotta be

Amber Hargroeder:

a little meaner. I, I can't, I'm bleeding here.

Amber Hargroeder:

You know, so, I mean, physically, if you don't

Amber Hargroeder:

set boundaries for your own, well, being as a

Amber Hargroeder:

business owner, then you're gonna burn yourself

Amber Hargroeder:

out. So that's the first thing. If you're in a

Amber Hargroeder:

dysfunctional environment, it could be inherently

Amber Hargroeder:

dysfunctional, or it could just be dysfunctional

Amber Hargroeder:

for you. So you work in a company, and these are

Amber Hargroeder:

all people who this. You're just not in the right

Amber Hargroeder:

spot. You're not in the right job, you're not

Amber Hargroeder:

working with the right people. Like, that'll burn

Amber Hargroeder:

you out. It doesn't mean that those people are

Amber Hargroeder:

all crazy and you're the only sane person. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

just you're kind of like, you know, I don't know,

Amber Hargroeder:

like the alligator hanging out with the ducks.

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, you're not. You're not the same person.

Amber Hargroeder:

Don't eat the ducks. But, you know, like, so it's

Amber Hargroeder:

kind of like it's a. It's not the same thing. But

Amber Hargroeder:

when you have a business and you're running it

Amber Hargroeder:

yourself, you know, make sure that you are doing

Amber Hargroeder:

the right thing for your specific talents. If

Amber Hargroeder:

you're a screwdriver, you don't want to be used

Amber Hargroeder:

as a hammer. So you maybe could be used as one in

Amber Hargroeder:

a pinch. But you know that if you. If you set up

Amber Hargroeder:

your business in a way that you're like, I think

Amber Hargroeder:

this is what I should be doing. This is working

Amber Hargroeder:

for other people. I'll just do this one thing

Amber Hargroeder:

that'll burn out. And I mean, I. I can speak from

Amber Hargroeder:

personal experience about that, because when I

Amber Hargroeder:

first opened my practice, I kind of positioned

Amber Hargroeder:

myself as a generalist. I'm like, okay, come to

Amber Hargroeder:

me with your biggest problems that cannot be

Amber Hargroeder:

solved, and I will solve them. Right. Turns out a

Amber Hargroeder:

lot of these problems you either can't solve

Amber Hargroeder:

because they won't change, or like, there's a

Amber Hargroeder:

reason why it's an unsolved problem. Maybe. Maybe

Amber Hargroeder:

there's something that's been missed, but, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, it. I really set myself up to fail in that

Amber Hargroeder:

regard because I was like, you know, come to me

Amber Hargroeder:

with your biggest problems. And I found myself

Amber Hargroeder:

pouring through herbalism texts and anything I

Amber Hargroeder:

could think of to try to find these solutions to

Amber Hargroeder:

obscure problems, when really it's like, that

Amber Hargroeder:

wasn't necessarily in my wheelhouse. So if you

Amber Hargroeder:

are running a business as a practitioner, make

Amber Hargroeder:

sure that you're actually doing something that's

Amber Hargroeder:

sustainable for you, that's going to give you

Amber Hargroeder:

energy as opposed to deplete it. And the most

Amber Hargroeder:

important thing. And we talk about this so My

Amber Hargroeder:

husband and I now have a company called Stealth

Amber Hargroeder:

Dog Labs. And all of the reports are run through

Amber Hargroeder:

Stealth Dog Labs. But that's for the enterprise

Amber Hargroeder:

side. That's for companies. My offer, my clarity

Amber Hargroeder:

call is for individuals. But, you know, when we

Amber Hargroeder:

look at different companies and the dysfunction

Amber Hargroeder:

that they have, a lot of times you're talking to

Amber Hargroeder:

the wrong customer. So we call it the A plus

Amber Hargroeder:

customer. The customer that you love working

Amber Hargroeder:

with, like you, it's a pleasure to talk to them.

Amber Hargroeder:

They get you. You're on the same wavelength. What

Amber Hargroeder:

you recommend works, you know, like they actually

Amber Hargroeder:

do.

Meredith Oke:

So, yeah, they're a good fit for you.

Amber Hargroeder:

Right, because that's true.

Meredith Oke:

That would be another big source of burnout if

Meredith Oke:

you're continuously working with clients. I mean,

Meredith Oke:

to use your metaphor, you're trying to coach

Meredith Oke:

ducks and you're an alligator. You should

Meredith Oke:

probably be coaching alligators.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, so. But the language on your website is

Amber Hargroeder:

going to attract certain types of people. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

not going to attract your dream client if your

Amber Hargroeder:

dream client is a result systems thinker. Okay,

Amber Hargroeder:

so there's seven core mindsets. There's tons of

Amber Hargroeder:

personality traits which really make this very

Amber Hargroeder:

complicated. But the core mindsets that we

Amber Hargroeder:

measure are opportunistic people. So these are

Amber Hargroeder:

like sales people. Like, they're always looking

Amber Hargroeder:

for an opportunity. They're really good in a bind

Amber Hargroeder:

because they'll find a solution really quickly.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, there's a, there's a quote, but I don't

Amber Hargroeder:

want to use Bill Gates. No, scratch that. But

Amber Hargroeder:

opportunistic people, that's one. So these are

Amber Hargroeder:

people that are just kind of go getters and

Amber Hargroeder:

they're really good at just like finding quick

Amber Hargroeder:

solutions. They're not the deepest thinkers, but

Amber Hargroeder:

they're very action oriented. You have

Amber Hargroeder:

disciplined people. You're going to find a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

these in healthcare. They're really good at

Amber Hargroeder:

following the rules, but they're really good also

Amber Hargroeder:

at keeping teams together. So they want harmony

Amber Hargroeder:

within teams. They want to make sure everybody's

Amber Hargroeder:

on the same page. We're all working together. But

Amber Hargroeder:

the problem with that kind of the downside of it

Amber Hargroeder:

is they can also, in my experience in working

Amber Hargroeder:

with companies, they can protect narcissists.

Amber Hargroeder:

They don't want to believe that a lethal

Amber Hargroeder:

narcissist who is destroying the team is a bad

Amber Hargroeder:

person. They don't want to believe that. And so

Amber Hargroeder:

you can bring them all the evidence in the world

Amber Hargroeder:

and like, no, no, we're a team, we're a family.

Amber Hargroeder:

You know, like, you got to take the good with the

Amber Hargroeder:

bad. And so that would be a downside of

Amber Hargroeder:

discipline. But discipline is the reason why the

Amber Hargroeder:

trains run on time. We have electricity, our

Amber Hargroeder:

Internet works. We have engineers. They're

Amber Hargroeder:

disciplined. They get things done in a different

Amber Hargroeder:

way. They're very steady, a good foundation to

Amber Hargroeder:

build on. You've got your experts. These are the

Amber Hargroeder:

people that the downside would be they nitpick

Amber Hargroeder:

you to death. But they're also invaluable as very

Amber Hargroeder:

highly niche consultants. These are people who

Amber Hargroeder:

know the nitty gritty of some of the obscure

Amber Hargroeder:

thing that, you know, if you're really in a bind

Amber Hargroeder:

with that specific thing, you call them in, like,

Amber Hargroeder:

that's them. But they can be kind of grizzly,

Amber Hargroeder:

like you're gruff. Then you have results oriented

Amber Hargroeder:

people. If it's not balanced with empathy, a

Amber Hargroeder:

results person will just run you into the ground

Amber Hargroeder:

because the goal and the achievement is

Amber Hargroeder:

everything. But people like Jamie Dimon are

Amber Hargroeder:

highly results oriented. Elon Musk is very

Amber Hargroeder:

results oriented. They want to get things done.

Amber Hargroeder:

You don't temper that a little bit with some

Amber Hargroeder:

other aspects of a mindset. It can get kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

bad. But you know, a results oriented person will

Amber Hargroeder:

burn themselves out just because they are like,

Amber Hargroeder:

go, go, go, just get this off my plate. And then

Amber Hargroeder:

instead of resting, they put something else on

Amber Hargroeder:

their plate. Kind of an example. Then we have

Amber Hargroeder:

empathy. Empathy. A lot of people in the

Amber Hargroeder:

healthcare space are very empathetic. That's why

Amber Hargroeder:

you get into it. You want to help people. You're

Amber Hargroeder:

like, I, I know I can help people. I can be of

Amber Hargroeder:

service. The problem with empathy is they are

Amber Hargroeder:

food for narcissists. Like, they just attract

Amber Hargroeder:

them like crazy. They can burn themselves out

Amber Hargroeder:

because even though they have empathy for

Amber Hargroeder:

everybody else, they don't necessarily have

Amber Hargroeder:

empathy for themselves. So they, they don't take

Amber Hargroeder:

care of themselves. But in a company setting,

Amber Hargroeder:

you're the ones who are like, we have to do this

Amber Hargroeder:

for the customer. We have to go above and beyond

Amber Hargroeder:

for the customer. We really have to understand

Amber Hargroeder:

who these people are. An empathetic person is

Amber Hargroeder:

valuable in that setting for marketing, for

Amber Hargroeder:

messaging, all of that things, because they can

Amber Hargroeder:

understand the individual. Which a results person

Amber Hargroeder:

not necessarily. Like, it depends on what the

Amber Hargroeder:

whole mix is. Systems thinkers, you're a systems

Amber Hargroeder:

thinker. Systems thinkers are actually the most

Amber Hargroeder:

burned out thinkers. And you have a zero burnout

Amber Hargroeder:

score. So you are doing great.

Meredith Oke:

But yeah, that was, that was exciting news. I, it

Meredith Oke:

took me, I mean, that's been my journey for a

Meredith Oke:

long time. So it took me a while, but I was very

Meredith Oke:

excited.

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm Like a systems thinker is a second tier

Amber Hargroeder:

thinker. They can see all of the moving parts of

Amber Hargroeder:

something, something and how it all fits

Amber Hargroeder:

together. And Steve Jobs was a systems thinker.

Amber Hargroeder:

You're much nicer than Steve. Way less

Amber Hargroeder:

dysfunctional.

Meredith Oke:

I must have a higher empathy score.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, Mr. Screamy. So, I mean, like, systems

Amber Hargroeder:

thinkers are the most burned out because there

Amber Hargroeder:

are big innovative thinkers. And we've already

Amber Hargroeder:

talked about how innovation has been completely

Amber Hargroeder:

squashed in most of our culture and most

Amber Hargroeder:

companies. We don't want to do the big ideas, we

Amber Hargroeder:

want to do the safe ideas. Look at all the movies

Amber Hargroeder:

that are remakes from the 90s or before. Nobody

Amber Hargroeder:

wants to take a chance. Whereas a systems thinker

Amber Hargroeder:

can see all the moving parts. Kind of like that

Amber Hargroeder:

meme from the card counter, from the hangover,

Amber Hargroeder:

all the pieces and like, oh, no, this is what we

Amber Hargroeder:

need to do. And unfortunately, in a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

companies, you know, God love disciplined

Amber Hargroeder:

thinkers because they make things work. But a

Amber Hargroeder:

disciplined thinker is like, we can't take a

Amber Hargroeder:

risk. Like, let's just cut costs. Let's not do

Amber Hargroeder:

something new and scary. Let's not do something

Amber Hargroeder:

innovative. They're like, you know, let's just

Amber Hargroeder:

increase the volume, let's put a volume button on

Amber Hargroeder:

the telephone. Like, that's sustaining

Amber Hargroeder:

innovation. That's what a discipline thinker

Amber Hargroeder:

would think. Whereas a systems thinker is like,

Amber Hargroeder:

let's throw all this out and do something cool,

Amber Hargroeder:

you know, so that's that. And then the final

Amber Hargroeder:

mindset is holistic. This is like the Rupert

Amber Hargroeder:

Sheldrakes of the world. They do see all the

Amber Hargroeder:

moving parts, pieces, but it's like they think

Amber Hargroeder:

almost in like, I don't know, they think in a

Amber Hargroeder:

totally different. It's like, it's like systems,

Amber Hargroeder:

but it's more, I want to say it's a more feminine

Amber Hargroeder:

version of systems thinking in a way because it's

Amber Hargroeder:

more like, I don't know, I just think of like,

Amber Hargroeder:

like they just in that way. Like with Rupert

Amber Hargroeder:

Sheldrake and Morphic Resonance, he's kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

thinking in a very different way. A lot of people

Amber Hargroeder:

in his field and that's because he has an off

Amber Hargroeder:

charts holistic score. So there's, that's all the

Amber Hargroeder:

things that we're measuring that I think can

Amber Hargroeder:

help. It's not all the things we're measuring,

Amber Hargroeder:

but that's like the core seven mindsets to help

Amber Hargroeder:

you understand these differentiations. For me,

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm. Results. Empathy, holistic. Someone else. A

Amber Hargroeder:

lot of people in healthcare are discipline,

Amber Hargroeder:

empathy, you know, different people can be

Amber Hargroeder:

results very rare. But that happens a lot in

Amber Hargroeder:

health space. I, I think.

Meredith Oke:

No, it's interesting you say that. And that's

Meredith Oke:

what I see. I would say, yeah, discipline,

Meredith Oke:

empathy or expert discipline. And so running a

Meredith Oke:

business, you need some opportunistic. You need

Meredith Oke:

some. Right. Or you need to understand how to

Meredith Oke:

build a business that aligns with those things.

Meredith Oke:

And I think a lot of the business building advice

Meredith Oke:

is from the opportune people.

Amber Hargroeder:

Opportunist.

Meredith Oke:

Anyway, I'm. Yeah, go ahead.

Amber Hargroeder:

You. You don't have to have. Don't think that.

Amber Hargroeder:

Because if you don't have an opportunistic score,

Amber Hargroeder:

you can't run a business. Like, actually some of

Amber Hargroeder:

the best business leaders are result systems. So

Amber Hargroeder:

you don't necessarily need to be like. A lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

politicians are opportunistic. I don't. They are

Amber Hargroeder:

selling something. But I think you also need to

Amber Hargroeder:

actually produce what you promised. Which

Amber Hargroeder:

politicians aren't in sales for that reason. They

Amber Hargroeder:

just need one vote every couple of. They don't

Amber Hargroeder:

need.

Meredith Oke:

I guess that's what I'm trying to get at though

Meredith Oke:

is like you have to be in sales a little bit.

Amber Hargroeder:

Or you could just.

Meredith Oke:

And there's a big aversion to it, or you could.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

So, yeah, I, this is an issue that I really want

Meredith Oke:

to solve.

Amber Hargroeder:

So I.

Meredith Oke:

It's hurting people. They're. They're not, you

Meredith Oke:

know, they're not able to support themselves. I

Meredith Oke:

see it over and over.

Amber Hargroeder:

What I would say is first understand what your

Amber Hargroeder:

mindset is. Then understand the mindset of your A

Amber Hargroeder:

plus customer. So if your customer has high

Amber Hargroeder:

empathy and you have high empathy, but your

Amber Hargroeder:

language was written by AI and AI has a

Amber Hargroeder:

disciplined mindset. Nobody's connecting. If you

Amber Hargroeder:

just like, oh, you know, I got this badass

Amber Hargroeder:

prompt. I'm gonna put it in chat GPT. I'm gonna

Amber Hargroeder:

throw some compute at it. It's gonna solve all my

Amber Hargroeder:

problems. Like, no, no, I'm sorry. AI has a

Amber Hargroeder:

mindset of a discipline expert individual. So any

Amber Hargroeder:

copy that you generate from Chad, GPT, GROK might

Amber Hargroeder:

be a little bit more snarky, but anything that

Amber Hargroeder:

you generate from AI is not going to match the

Amber Hargroeder:

psychology of your customer. Now, we do that

Amber Hargroeder:

through self dog labs. We can generate an LLM

Amber Hargroeder:

that works with that psychology. But the thing

Amber Hargroeder:

is, is to understand who am I talking to? What do

Amber Hargroeder:

they need? This is like the basics of business

Amber Hargroeder:

that because it's invisible, it's really hard to

Amber Hargroeder:

quantify. So who is my customer? Where do they

Amber Hargroeder:

hang out? What are they saying, what language do

Amber Hargroeder:

they use, what problem do they have and what do

Amber Hargroeder:

they want? And like, oftentimes the way that

Amber Hargroeder:

people talk about their problems isn't their real

Amber Hargroeder:

problem. That's just the coding on the problem.

Amber Hargroeder:

So it's, if you want to have a successful

Amber Hargroeder:

business, it's like you need to understand who

Amber Hargroeder:

you're talking to. And it doesn't mean that you

Amber Hargroeder:

have to all of a sudden become the sleazy car

Amber Hargroeder:

salesman. Like you don't have to be, you know,

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm not, I'm not trying to like all over

Amber Hargroeder:

opportunistic people. They serve a purpose,

Amber Hargroeder:

especially in a corporation. But if you're just

Amber Hargroeder:

running a consulting business, really understand

Amber Hargroeder:

what your purpose is, understand your vision,

Amber Hargroeder:

focus on what you need to focus on for your

Amber Hargroeder:

target customer and then communicate with them in

Amber Hargroeder:

a way that resonates. And that sounds so easy.

Amber Hargroeder:

But I can understand why people struggle with it.

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, I mean, even with me. So I've been a

Amber Hargroeder:

professional copywriter for 15 years. I've

Amber Hargroeder:

written copy for everything from like luxury

Amber Hargroeder:

brands to unfortunately politicians to non

Amber Hargroeder:

profits. I mean I've, I've run the gamut, okay?

Amber Hargroeder:

I've sold like shoes and people, not people that

Amber Hargroeder:

way. That sounds bad. Not human trafficking,

Amber Hargroeder:

scratch that. But you know, thought leaders, it's

Amber Hargroeder:

a type of sales. I was trained by one copywriter.

Amber Hargroeder:

One major one was a major influence for me. And

Amber Hargroeder:

so I kept trying to make my voice like hers

Amber Hargroeder:

because back in the day I figured that's how you

Amber Hargroeder:

sell. And it's like I actually get a better

Amber Hargroeder:

response when I'm authentic the way that I speak.

Amber Hargroeder:

We were talking earlier about how LinkedIn is the

Amber Hargroeder:

least authentic place ever. So if someone's never

Amber Hargroeder:

run a business and then they go and they look at

Amber Hargroeder:

LinkedIn and they look at how other people are

Amber Hargroeder:

selling stuff, they're not actually realizing how

Amber Hargroeder:

to sell for themselves. They're not realizing

Amber Hargroeder:

that maybe if you're just very authentic, you

Amber Hargroeder:

don't have to be this over the top, extroverted,

Amber Hargroeder:

shallow person. I mean a lot of, a lot of sales.

Amber Hargroeder:

And I've said this about politics. Politics is

Amber Hargroeder:

very much like a skipping stone on the surface of

Amber Hargroeder:

the water. It makes a bunch of splashes. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

highly dependent on momentum. It's trying to get

Amber Hargroeder:

somewhere. But eventually that stone will sink.

Amber Hargroeder:

And you see this with politicians, eventually

Amber Hargroeder:

they will sink because it is the culture that

Amber Hargroeder:

inherently defines who the politician is. Look at

Amber Hargroeder:

it like a vining plant. The politician is the

Amber Hargroeder:

vine. It's going to grow wherever it can get a

Amber Hargroeder:

tendril. Okay. Like it's just going to do that.

Amber Hargroeder:

But if the culture is the trellis and we are

Amber Hargroeder:

defining what that trellis is, then it controls

Amber Hargroeder:

where the vine goes. So if you haven't done the

Amber Hargroeder:

deep work, so you got the skipping stone at the

Amber Hargroeder:

stop at the, at the top of the surface of the

Amber Hargroeder:

water, and then you've got like the fish down at

Amber Hargroeder:

the bottom, like the deep sea fish, they are

Amber Hargroeder:

making bigger changes than the skipping stone at

Amber Hargroeder:

the top. Don't fall for the flashy splashing

Amber Hargroeder:

nonsense. That's trendy and it's just going to go

Amber Hargroeder:

for a short period of time. Don't drive yourself

Amber Hargroeder:

down crazy chasing things. You need to go deep

Amber Hargroeder:

into yourself and what you can actually bring to

Amber Hargroeder:

the table. Because, and I see this a lot in, in

Amber Hargroeder:

the quantum community, there's not a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

differentiation because I think people are like,

Amber Hargroeder:

what do I bring specifically? And it's, it's a,

Amber Hargroeder:

they need to go internally instead of going

Amber Hargroeder:

externally and trying to like, market like crazy.

Amber Hargroeder:

It's like you need to go deep within yourself and

Amber Hargroeder:

be like, who am I?

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Amber Hargroeder:

And that's a really, that, that's a difficult

Amber Hargroeder:

conversation. And a lot of people will turn to

Amber Hargroeder:

like, Meyer, Briggs, Enneagram, disc, human

Amber Hargroeder:

design, the Zodiac. And they're like, oh, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, like, I'm a Scorp, I'm personally a

Amber Hargroeder:

Scorpio. And I mean, for a while that resonated,

Amber Hargroeder:

but it resonates a lot more with me to be like,

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm results, systems holistic or something. You

Amber Hargroeder:

know, like it's, it makes more sense to me and

Amber Hargroeder:

it's, it's more personalized. And when you go to

Amber Hargroeder:

all these other things like Myers Briggs or disc,

Amber Hargroeder:

it's a questionnaire evaluation, it's open to

Amber Hargroeder:

bias. You can already have in your head what you

Amber Hargroeder:

want to be and what you want the answer to be.

Amber Hargroeder:

And so even if you're not consciously aware of it

Amber Hargroeder:

at the time, you can be dictating those results.

Amber Hargroeder:

Our results have completely removed bias. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

completely objective because I don't know if you

Amber Hargroeder:

could actually cheat on this test. Like, there's,

Amber Hargroeder:

there's no, it's not a multiple choice thing. So

Amber Hargroeder:

if you're like, what's my favorite memory growing

Amber Hargroeder:

up? What was my favorite toy? What's my favorite,

Amber Hargroeder:

you know, day? Like, who's my favorite person?

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, tell me why? And we're measuring the

Amber Hargroeder:

linguistics for mindset psychology and linguistic

Amber Hargroeder:

psychology. Like, it's not like you can choose

Amber Hargroeder:

From A through E. So you get something that's a

Amber Hargroeder:

little bit more. Well, it's actually more honest.

Amber Hargroeder:

It's. We want honesty. I mean, the downside of

Amber Hargroeder:

that is like, we've also been able to measure a

Amber Hargroeder:

lot of frauds. So like Bernie Madoff, Elizabeth

Amber Hargroeder:

Holmes, Sam Bankman, Fried, Stockton Rush, they

Amber Hargroeder:

all follow a specific pattern of behavior. And

Amber Hargroeder:

now all these documentaries are coming out. So

Amber Hargroeder:

the pattern is a little clearer, but it's like we

Amber Hargroeder:

can actually measure that now. And it's like,

Amber Hargroeder:

whoa, you know, and I haven't, I haven't had to

Amber Hargroeder:

tell anyone that they have these scores. But you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, you're looking at someone like Thompson

Amber Hargroeder:

Rush, the psychopath, and you're just like, whoa,

Amber Hargroeder:

what was his deal?

Meredith Oke:

What did he do?

Amber Hargroeder:

This is the guy from the Titan submersible who

Amber Hargroeder:

imploded on the way to the Titanium.

Meredith Oke:

The submarine.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah. And so Netflix just released about it. And

Amber Hargroeder:

you're like, I know a lot about Elizabeth Holmes

Amber Hargroeder:

and Sunny Balwani who ran Theranos. I didn't know

Amber Hargroeder:

that much about Bernie Madoff, but we started

Amber Hargroeder:

digging into it and we're like, well, let's run

Amber Hargroeder:

their text. And it's just like, you see this

Amber Hargroeder:

clear personality that emerges that reveals that

Amber Hargroeder:

they were always a fraud. And it's just kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

like, whoa, okay, what? Like, and that's just

Amber Hargroeder:

purely through language, the language that they

Amber Hargroeder:

used. So that gets a little creepy. But it's just

Amber Hargroeder:

kind of like the language that you're using to

Amber Hargroeder:

sum this up on your website for your business,

Amber Hargroeder:

the offer that you're making, that's dictating

Amber Hargroeder:

the type of customers that you're getting and

Amber Hargroeder:

it's dictating whether or not you are generating

Amber Hargroeder:

energy or running out of energy. So that's. And I

Amber Hargroeder:

think we've, we've kind of talked, okay, types of

Amber Hargroeder:

burnout, physical dysfunctional environment,

Amber Hargroeder:

toxic people, your narcissist, obstructionist

Amber Hargroeder:

dictators. And then any dysfunctional traits that

Amber Hargroeder:

you might have yourself, like self martyrdom,

Amber Hargroeder:

could be one. So those are the things that we're

Amber Hargroeder:

ultimately looking for to help you get out of a

Amber Hargroeder:

burnout situation or to help you find your

Amber Hargroeder:

purpose, find, you know, what you should be

Amber Hargroeder:

focused on. What your vision. It's translating

Amber Hargroeder:

your vision into focus so you can have a

Amber Hargroeder:

successful business. And that's kind of what

Amber Hargroeder:

makes my clarity call offer a little vague in a

Amber Hargroeder:

way because you can get a burnout report, but

Amber Hargroeder:

it's whatever you need that we can provide that

Amber Hargroeder:

helps you get out of burnout. So if you need Help

Amber Hargroeder:

with your business. We've got those tools in our

Amber Hargroeder:

toolbox. If you want help with your physical

Amber Hargroeder:

health, I do tongue evaluation and connect you

Amber Hargroeder:

with herbal allies. Like, it's truly a holistic

Amber Hargroeder:

offer in the sense that everything is inherently

Amber Hargroeder:

connected when it comes to your health,

Amber Hargroeder:

environment, diet, you know, your thoughts, your

Amber Hargroeder:

workout routine. And when I get on platforms like

Amber Hargroeder:

X or Instagram and everyone's like, everybody

Amber Hargroeder:

needs to be on Carnivore, everybody needs to

Amber Hargroeder:

creatine, everybody needs turmeric. And then you

Amber Hargroeder:

see the story is like, this woman's liver is in

Amber Hargroeder:

failure because she OD'd on turmeric. And I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

just like, oh, my God, like, not everybody. I

Amber Hargroeder:

know bio individualism is relatively new in some

Amber Hargroeder:

areas, but we're not all one size fits all,

Amber Hargroeder:

especially when it comes down to how we think.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, well, and that's interesting in terms of how

Meredith Oke:

we think, because there's the messaging, like,

Meredith Oke:

everyone needs to be doing this, but then there's

Meredith Oke:

also the way that we receive it, which is in an

Meredith Oke:

all or nothing, right? And we, you know, I

Meredith Oke:

remember talking to a healthcare provider and he,

Meredith Oke:

like, you know, recommended a certain tea to

Meredith Oke:

somebody and he's like, drink one cup of this

Meredith Oke:

tea. It was an herbal tea or something. And then

Meredith Oke:

he saw her again and there was something totally

Meredith Oke:

weird in her labs. And he's like, oh, tell me

Meredith Oke:

like, what you're doing. And she's like, oh,

Meredith Oke:

well, I drank like six cups of that a day because

Meredith Oke:

you said it was good for me. No, but we're like,

Meredith Oke:

oh, a little is good. Like the turmeric. A little

Meredith Oke:

is good. Like, mountains of it. Must be better.

Meredith Oke:

Like, what is that thinking? Because it happens

Meredith Oke:

all the time. We all do it. We do it with

Meredith Oke:

everyone. We've all gone through that with the

Meredith Oke:

sunlight. We were just like all of a sudden all

Meredith Oke:

the time. And then it's like, okay, there's a

Meredith Oke:

little bit more nuance to it and there's a place

Meredith Oke:

for sunscreen and shade and, you know, but that,

Meredith Oke:

that kind of like, oh, my God, I found a new

Meredith Oke:

thing that's really important. I just gotta, like

Meredith Oke:

go to the wall with it as opposed. And we

Meredith Oke:

eventually get to the, to the balanced approach.

Meredith Oke:

But I see that over and over and over when

Meredith Oke:

anyone, that we all do as humans. Carrie Bennett

Meredith Oke:

had a post. It was something. Oh, yeah, fasting.

Meredith Oke:

It was like, fasting is super helpful. But if you

Meredith Oke:

fast and like, if you're doing like 18 hour fasts

Meredith Oke:

every day, like, and you might not, you might be

Meredith Oke:

getting depleted. And it's like, yep, we do it

Meredith Oke:

with fat. Right? Like, we'll just do it with

Meredith Oke:

anything we'll do instead of enough to have the

Meredith Oke:

desired effect. We just go crazy with it.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

aspects to that. I think there's one part of us

Amber Hargroeder:

is that we're so hungry for whatever is missing.

Amber Hargroeder:

We don't know. Again, it goes back to invisible

Amber Hargroeder:

things. So, you know, I married someone who spent

Amber Hargroeder:

his life measuring invisible things. And I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

like, okay, let's, let's measure them together,

Amber Hargroeder:

you know? Right. And what, what happened is we

Amber Hargroeder:

kind of merged all of my knowledge with all of

Amber Hargroeder:

his programming knowledge. And we wanted to help

Amber Hargroeder:

people fix this problem. Because you'll see this

Amber Hargroeder:

even in companies, they're like, we have to go

Amber Hargroeder:

all Jaguar. Jaguar is a perfect example. They

Amber Hargroeder:

just destroyed their brand. So if you saw like

Amber Hargroeder:

the pink Kleenex box on wheels, which is their

Amber Hargroeder:

new EV vehicle, they, they went from these super

Amber Hargroeder:

sexy cars, they could have just thrown an EV

Amber Hargroeder:

battery in those things and probably sold them

Amber Hargroeder:

like hotcakes. But they were like, no, we're

Amber Hargroeder:

gonna destroy our legacy and we're gonna go all

Amber Hargroeder:

in on this extreme. And I think it's like this

Amber Hargroeder:

desperation thing where we're like, we have to go

Amber Hargroeder:

all in on something we don't want to just try dip

Amber Hargroeder:

our toe in. And I'm totally guilty of this. I

Amber Hargroeder:

once fasted for 15 days. So, you know, not to

Amber Hargroeder:

brag, definitely not enough on my body, you know,

Amber Hargroeder:

and when I get into things, I get really intense

Amber Hargroeder:

and passionate about them. And so you want to

Amber Hargroeder:

explore them to like all the way. Right now with

Amber Hargroeder:

herbs, I, I don't agree with everything. The

Amber Hargroeder:

initial herbalist I studied with, I don't agree

Amber Hargroeder:

with her on a lot of things. But I will say that

Amber Hargroeder:

her program was great because it introduced you

Amber Hargroeder:

to herbs one at a time for 30 days. And what you

Amber Hargroeder:

did was we meet once a month and we'd have like

Amber Hargroeder:

three infusions of three different, like three

Amber Hargroeder:

different plants. And we'd sit and we'd meditate,

Amber Hargroeder:

which you with each one. And you could tell which

Amber Hargroeder:

one your body actually wanted based just on that.

Amber Hargroeder:

Like you could do like nettles, oat straw,

Amber Hargroeder:

burdock. And you do three infusions, quart sized

Amber Hargroeder:

jars. And you just sit with them with your eyes

Amber Hargroeder:

closed and you just drink them slowly and be

Amber Hargroeder:

like, how does this make me feel? And I think

Amber Hargroeder:

what's happening is we've lost that sensory

Amber Hargroeder:

element of the hive. We have lost our ability to

Amber Hargroeder:

understand ourselves and how we respond to

Amber Hargroeder:

things. And there's this. Because there's so much

Amber Hargroeder:

going on in our environments. Whether you're doom

Amber Hargroeder:

scrolling on social media or you're working in a

Amber Hargroeder:

dysfunctional company, like, so much is being

Amber Hargroeder:

thrown at you. I mean, I don't watch television,

Amber Hargroeder:

but it's like I go to my parents house and the

Amber Hargroeder:

TV's on. I'm like, whoa. Like, so many ads just

Amber Hargroeder:

flying at me. And then the news is so bright and

Amber Hargroeder:

everybody's all airbrushed, and I'm just like, I

Amber Hargroeder:

can't, I can't handle this.

Meredith Oke:

And they're telling you with such authority how

Meredith Oke:

terrible it is.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, so. And there's, there's a system to that.

Amber Hargroeder:

I don't want people to think that in order to be

Amber Hargroeder:

in business, you have to be a sleazy salesperson.

Amber Hargroeder:

And not all opportunistic people are sleazy

Amber Hargroeder:

salesperson. I should say that too.

Meredith Oke:

But yeah, yeah, no, they're great. We, we need

Meredith Oke:

them.

Amber Hargroeder:

We. Everybody has a role to play.

Meredith Oke:

I've had my life changed by opportunistic people

Meredith Oke:

who are willing to put their offer in front of me

Meredith Oke:

until I realized I needed it. Like, I appreciate

Meredith Oke:

that.

Amber Hargroeder:

Everybody, it's an ecosystem. I mean, I just, I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

like, I'm like, I don't watch tv. And I'm like,

Amber Hargroeder:

oh, here's another Netflix show with, like, the

Amber Hargroeder:

Shark Whisperer that I just watched. Which I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

like, that's insane. But at the same time, I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

like, okay, yeah, predators are important for the

Amber Hargroeder:

ocean. So shocker. You know, things are there for

Amber Hargroeder:

a reason. People's mindsets and personality

Amber Hargroeder:

traits are there for a reason. You know, when we

Amber Hargroeder:

ran a bunch of, like, nobility people, they were

Amber Hargroeder:

all narcissists. Which, I mean, it's not really,

Amber Hargroeder:

but I was like, oh, okay.

Meredith Oke:

Did you run the current royal family of.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, I, I, we went through, like, Princess

Amber Hargroeder:

Diana's letters that we found. Oh, yeah, she was

Amber Hargroeder:

Camilla park about Bowles. Yeah, that's not

Amber Hargroeder:

right, Charles. We went through, like,

Amber Hargroeder:

transcripts of them being candid, and then they

Amber Hargroeder:

were all three narcissists. Like, crazy

Amber Hargroeder:

narcissist. Camila was the worst.

Meredith Oke:

I was like, oh, really?

Amber Hargroeder:

God. And then now I feel, like, super gossipy,

Amber Hargroeder:

but the worst person in our system. We thought it

Amber Hargroeder:

was Madonna. And then Neil Gaiman came in and

Amber Hargroeder:

there's this whole sex scandal going on. So

Amber Hargroeder:

there's a podcast called the Master Highly

Amber Hargroeder:

Recommend it. It's crazy. He has, like, done

Amber Hargroeder:

horrible things to young girls. Like, some of

Amber Hargroeder:

this stuff. I'm still Neil Gaiman. Neil Gaiman.

Amber Hargroeder:

And there's a lawsuit now. And he had hired this

Amber Hargroeder:

girl. His wife was in on it. They would bring in

Amber Hargroeder:

these young girls to serve as babysitters, but

Amber Hargroeder:

they never paid them. And he was, like, sexually

Amber Hargroeder:

abusing them. And they had no money to get away.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Amber Hargroeder:

And so on the master, there's this, like, call

Amber Hargroeder:

where it's a. It's him speaking, and it's not

Amber Hargroeder:

him, like, polished or anything. And we ran that

Amber Hargroeder:

and, like, he's a horrible person. Like, it just.

Amber Hargroeder:

He's actually the most dangerous person in our

Amber Hargroeder:

system, I think. And.

Meredith Oke:

Wow.

Amber Hargroeder:

You know, we were talking about culture before

Amber Hargroeder:

this started, but it's like he grew up in

Amber Hargroeder:

Scientology and was, like, a major player in

Amber Hargroeder:

Scientology for a long time. And it's just kind

Amber Hargroeder:

of like, I. I used to love his books. Like, some

Amber Hargroeder:

of his books. And, like, I didn't realize. I

Amber Hargroeder:

never read Sandman, but it's like Calliope, the

Amber Hargroeder:

muse is being held captive and raped all the time

Amber Hargroeder:

and being forced to call someone Master. And

Amber Hargroeder:

that's actually Neil Gaiman. Like, he's not the

Amber Hargroeder:

hero. He's the bad guy. Like, that was shocking

Amber Hargroeder:

for me. I don't even remember my point anymore.

Amber Hargroeder:

Now I'm going on to gossip.

Meredith Oke:

Well, it's also, you know, it's so intriguing and

Meredith Oke:

compelling that we reveal ourselves through our

Meredith Oke:

language to this extent. Right. Like, as I, you

Meredith Oke:

know, I was explaining to the audience earlier,

Meredith Oke:

you know, I just answered. I just wrote some

Meredith Oke:

paragraphs, and you sent back all of this

Meredith Oke:

information about me. So it's like we are showing

Meredith Oke:

the world who we are all the time. And you talk

Meredith Oke:

about measuring the invisible. We, you know, we

Meredith Oke:

get, oh, I have a bad vibe with person, this

Meredith Oke:

person or that, you know, if when we pay

Meredith Oke:

attention or intuition, you. We know, but we're

Meredith Oke:

also giving voice to it, is what I hear you

Meredith Oke:

saying with this tool that you and your husband

Meredith Oke:

have developed.

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, yeah, the.

Meredith Oke:

The sim. I mean, language in itself is a symbol,

Meredith Oke:

and where the words that we choose are

Meredith Oke:

expressions of who we are, and we're revealing

Meredith Oke:

ourselves whenever we use it.

Amber Hargroeder:

So, I mean, there was a lot of fear about data.

Amber Hargroeder:

When Elon Musk went in a doge. Everyone's like,

Amber Hargroeder:

he's gonna steal data. And I don't think people

Amber Hargroeder:

understand how much data they bleed out every

Amber Hargroeder:

day. You know, this podcast is providing data on

Amber Hargroeder:

me. You know, every. Every Social media post,

Amber Hargroeder:

every yelp review, every LinkedIn, whatever.

Amber Hargroeder:

It's. It's telling people who you are. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

telling you are revealing who you are through

Amber Hargroeder:

language. And I think inherently from your

Amber Hargroeder:

intuition, if you're listening to your intuition

Amber Hargroeder:

and paying attention to it, you actually can tell

Amber Hargroeder:

who people are at the jump. It. It just. We

Amber Hargroeder:

always convince ourselves that we're wrong. And

Amber Hargroeder:

that goes back to our cultural conditioning in

Amber Hargroeder:

which we're not allowed to really have an opinion

Amber Hargroeder:

on things. I mean, think about a young kid who

Amber Hargroeder:

probably picks up on good people people, bad

Amber Hargroeder:

people, scary people, whatever, and we lose that

Amber Hargroeder:

sense of, like I keep saying, intuition, but we

Amber Hargroeder:

lose that Spidey sense, like, so young, because

Amber Hargroeder:

it's. It's not important in a system built on

Amber Hargroeder:

rote memorization and multiple choice tests. So

Amber Hargroeder:

you're not meant to be intuitive. You're not

Amber Hargroeder:

meant to be creative. And so we lose this

Amber Hargroeder:

innately human quality about ourselves. And

Amber Hargroeder:

that's why when people drink a tea, if you are in

Amber Hargroeder:

tune with yourself, you will realize you don't

Amber Hargroeder:

need to drink that six times a day. Your body

Amber Hargroeder:

will be repulsed by it. But we're like, I got to

Amber Hargroeder:

do it.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah.

Amber Hargroeder:

Bottoms up.

Meredith Oke:

Like, my doctor said this was good for me, so

Meredith Oke:

I'll just do like 10 times what the recommended

Meredith Oke:

dose.

Amber Hargroeder:

I mean, one great example of this is during the

Amber Hargroeder:

pandemic, people couldn't get ivermectin and

Amber Hargroeder:

hydroxychloroquine, so they were like, well, I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

going to drink wormwood tea. Wormwood is the most

Amber Hargroeder:

bitter tea in the Materia Medica. There's a demon

Amber Hargroeder:

named after it in the Bible. It is extremely

Amber Hargroeder:

bitter.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, isn't that a Harry Potter? Isn't that the

Meredith Oke:

Harry Potter rat?

Amber Hargroeder:

Maybe. I don't know. Wait, is there. My daughter

Amber Hargroeder:

is. Wormwood is the name of the rat.

Meredith Oke:

That'S the bad guy who killed. Who ratted out

Meredith Oke:

Harry's parents and then turned into a rat. I

Meredith Oke:

didn't know that. J.K. rowling. Very crafty.

Amber Hargroeder:

Okay, so language, language, when you work with

Amber Hargroeder:

wormwood as a tincture, and it'll get rid of

Amber Hargroeder:

really bitter memories is what, one of the

Amber Hargroeder:

signatures of wormwood. The dose is one drop on

Amber Hargroeder:

the tongue per day. And I ran into this woman

Amber Hargroeder:

who, she knew I was an herbalist, and she came up

Amber Hargroeder:

to me so excited because she was making herself

Amber Hargroeder:

drink multiple cups of wormwood tea a day. And I

Amber Hargroeder:

was like, whoa, okay, stop that. Like, okay. Sour

Amber Hargroeder:

flavor. Yeah, Bitter flavors. They get your

Amber Hargroeder:

gastrointestinal juices going, right? So they

Amber Hargroeder:

help with digestion, congestion. Sour flavors

Amber Hargroeder:

benefit the liver, but you don't want so much

Amber Hargroeder:

sour that you hurt your liver. But it's just kind

Amber Hargroeder:

of like, if you're drinking all of this wormwood,

Amber Hargroeder:

what are you doing to your body? Like? And I

Amber Hargroeder:

think during the pandemic, it was peak crazy, and

Amber Hargroeder:

people were so desperate for anything, and I

Amber Hargroeder:

think that's to kind of circle back. Why do

Amber Hargroeder:

people go to these extremes? And I think it's

Amber Hargroeder:

because they don't think they have any other

Amber Hargroeder:

option. And they're hungry for something. They

Amber Hargroeder:

don't know what it is. And so they keep thinking,

Amber Hargroeder:

well, my doctor told me this. If I just, like,

Amber Hargroeder:

overdo it, I'll get twice the benefit. And it's

Amber Hargroeder:

like, you know, sometimes more isn't always

Amber Hargroeder:

better. It's just more like it. Actually, there's

Amber Hargroeder:

a diminishing law of returns at play here, so.

Amber Hargroeder:

And the other issue is is the sunk fallacy. The

Amber Hargroeder:

sunk cost fallacy is that people are like, well,

Amber Hargroeder:

I've already spent all this money on all these

Amber Hargroeder:

herbs. I've already spent all this money on this

Amber Hargroeder:

doctor. I've already spent all this time and

Amber Hargroeder:

energy on it. I can't stop. And it's like, listen

Amber Hargroeder:

to your body. Like, listen to the hum of the

Amber Hargroeder:

internal hive. Is this good or bad? Because

Amber Hargroeder:

chances are, if you're already forcing yourself

Amber Hargroeder:

to do something, it's bad. Now. You know, I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

really bad about working out. I mean, I go for

Amber Hargroeder:

walks. I work. It's a farm. Like, I'm doing

Amber Hargroeder:

physical activity, but I don't, like, go to the

Amber Hargroeder:

gym, but I don't, like, believe that I have to

Amber Hargroeder:

punish myself. Like, I'm like, oh, I gotta go to

Amber Hargroeder:

the gym and, like, work out for three hours and

Amber Hargroeder:

do the sauna and all these extreme things. Like,

Amber Hargroeder:

I know from experience that's gonna end bad. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

more like incorporating things. And I. I mean,

Amber Hargroeder:

I've been. I've been saying microdose a lot, but

Amber Hargroeder:

it's really micro dosing nature. If you're gonna

Amber Hargroeder:

work with an herb, maybe only do it for 30 days.

Amber Hargroeder:

Do it as a simple do one cup. You don't have to

Amber Hargroeder:

overdo it. A lot of doses with tincture should be

Amber Hargroeder:

like, three to four drops. Three to four times a

Amber Hargroeder:

day, if that. There are some books that'll tell

Amber Hargroeder:

you, like, 40 drops of ashwagandha tincture. And

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm just like, okay, well, let me know how that

Amber Hargroeder:

works out for you. I think you can get By.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And especially in the, in the natural world,

Meredith Oke:

we have this idea that like, it can't be, there's

Meredith Oke:

no way for it to be bad for us. It's natural. But

Meredith Oke:

these are actually very powerful substances.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, nature requires balance. I mean, I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

actually living in nature. Like I'm in the woods,

Amber Hargroeder:

on a river. Like, I'm surrounded by, you know,

Amber Hargroeder:

giant cats and venomous snakes and owls and, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, you know, mosquitoes the size of birds. But

Amber Hargroeder:

it's like when I'm around nature, I'm like,

Amber Hargroeder:

nature inherently knows its own balance. When it

Amber Hargroeder:

floods, there's something that it needed that

Amber Hargroeder:

for. Like, it's just like it's, it's kind of like

Amber Hargroeder:

there is this inherent balance and this inherent

Amber Hargroeder:

wisdom, natural wisdom that maybe I'm not

Amber Hargroeder:

completely up to speed on, but there's something

Amber Hargroeder:

going on that is, it balances itself out. Humans,

Amber Hargroeder:

we're so turned around about who we are, what our

Amber Hargroeder:

purpose is, what environments are good for us. I

Amber Hargroeder:

mean, I remember when I went through my

Amber Hargroeder:

fruitarian phase like forever ago. They were

Amber Hargroeder:

like, humans aren't meant to eat meat because we

Amber Hargroeder:

don't have teeth like tigers. You know, we're

Amber Hargroeder:

meant to eat fruit. And I'm like, I kind of, I

Amber Hargroeder:

guess that could make sense. And then, you know,

Amber Hargroeder:

you go through all these things. I mean, this is

Amber Hargroeder:

when I'm in my 20s, but it's just kind of like,

Amber Hargroeder:

okay, no, I don't, I don't think that that's the

Amber Hargroeder:

answer. Yeah, 30 bananas a day. I just want some

Amber Hargroeder:

soup and, and.

Meredith Oke:

Need a little egg.

Amber Hargroeder:

People who are like, green juice is good for me.

Amber Hargroeder:

I must drink green juice. I, all the time. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

like, okay, when the winter, maybe you shouldn't

Amber Hargroeder:

be doing green juice. Maybe you need to switch

Amber Hargroeder:

over to broth because you're cold. And I remember

Amber Hargroeder:

my brother in law, he was like, you can't get

Amber Hargroeder:

sick from getting cold. And I'm like, well, in

Amber Hargroeder:

Chinese medicine it says that the chill makes you

Amber Hargroeder:

tense and then that tense lowers your defenses

Amber Hargroeder:

and then you can get sick, you're more

Amber Hargroeder:

susceptible. And I mean, I'm not an expert on

Amber Hargroeder:

Chinese medicine, so hopefully I described that

Amber Hargroeder:

correctly. But you know, it's like if you're, if

Amber Hargroeder:

you, if you have, if you're cold, you have a cold

Amber Hargroeder:

tissue state, you need warming herbs. If you have

Amber Hargroeder:

a damp tissue state, you need drying herbs. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

kind of like what nature is showing you that

Amber Hargroeder:

applies within the body. If you are overheated,

Amber Hargroeder:

you need sour herbs because Those are going to

Amber Hargroeder:

bring cool, like, lemon juice in the summer, like

Amber Hargroeder:

lemonade in the summer that's very cooling. So

Amber Hargroeder:

these are all patterns of nature that are

Amber Hargroeder:

existing within your body. And nature probably

Amber Hargroeder:

has its own home, similar to the hive has a home.

Amber Hargroeder:

And if your home is not at the right vibration,

Amber Hargroeder:

you're gonna burn out. Because you cannot sustain

Amber Hargroeder:

chaos for too long. And what ends up happening is

Amber Hargroeder:

if you're super tense for way too long, the

Amber Hargroeder:

tissues will try to hold you together for as long

Amber Hargroeder:

as they can, but eventually they're going to wear

Amber Hargroeder:

out and they're just gonna be like. And then

Amber Hargroeder:

you've got, like, all this. This, you know, saggy

Amber Hargroeder:

tissue that can't hold water. And so you're just

Amber Hargroeder:

peeing all the time. Or you got saliva, you got

Amber Hargroeder:

snot coming out your nose all the time because

Amber Hargroeder:

you're just losing fluids like crazy. And then

Amber Hargroeder:

you dry out and you're like, well, how did this

Amber Hargroeder:

happen? It's like, well, your boundaries were not

Amber Hargroeder:

strong enough to hold hydration. And so it held.

Amber Hargroeder:

It put up a good fight, but then it just kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

went like, flaccid and it couldn't hold anything

Amber Hargroeder:

anymore. So then you have erosion in internally.

Amber Hargroeder:

We see that pattern in nature. I see that pattern

Amber Hargroeder:

on your tongue. I see it in your tissues. Like

Amber Hargroeder:

you feel it in your day to day life. But we don't

Amber Hargroeder:

have the awareness of it because we're so busy.

Amber Hargroeder:

Like, go, go, go. I gotta eat all this ground

Amber Hargroeder:

beef. I gotta do this. I gotta drink match tea. I

Amber Hargroeder:

gotta do all these. All these things. And so

Amber Hargroeder:

you're so much in your head, you're not in your

Amber Hargroeder:

body at all. So you could be drinking a tea

Amber Hargroeder:

that's good for you, and you wouldn't even notice

Amber Hargroeder:

because you're so up here.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, no. And we make it. We make it a mental

Meredith Oke:

exercise, collecting information, acting on the

Meredith Oke:

information. Am I doing all the things we see

Meredith Oke:

other people doing? Something else? Should I be

Meredith Oke:

doing that?

Amber Hargroeder:

Well, and that's. That's the one thing humans

Amber Hargroeder:

have that AI doesn't have, at least right now, is

Amber Hargroeder:

discernment. Like, focus in on our discernment.

Amber Hargroeder:

And that comes from, like, experience, like human

Amber Hargroeder:

beings are as a species, as a historical lineage.

Amber Hargroeder:

We understand what the poisonous mushroom is

Amber Hargroeder:

versus the good mushroom. You know, there's all

Amber Hargroeder:

this built into, you know, our. Our human selves,

Amber Hargroeder:

this discernment of what's good versus bad.

Amber Hargroeder:

What's. What things should be grouped together,

Amber Hargroeder:

what things should not be grouped together. And

Amber Hargroeder:

we use that for Creative purposes. And we're

Amber Hargroeder:

meant to live with the rhythms of the earth, not

Amber Hargroeder:

to just constantly be on one setting. And the

Amber Hargroeder:

reason why everyone's so scared that AI is going

Amber Hargroeder:

to replace humans is because we have devolved

Amber Hargroeder:

into believing that we are machines and that if

Amber Hargroeder:

you just put a bunch of, like, you know, shilajot

Amber Hargroeder:

in it, it's gonna magically work. It's just like,

Amber Hargroeder:

no, it's, you know, it's not so much about the

Amber Hargroeder:

supplements, it's about the lifestyle. And if you

Amber Hargroeder:

don't understand who you are and the role that

Amber Hargroeder:

you play within your own life, then you're going

Amber Hargroeder:

to get burned out. And that's really the thing

Amber Hargroeder:

that I'm trying to bring to people, is to

Amber Hargroeder:

understand who you are, what your purpose is,

Amber Hargroeder:

like, what makes you happy, what are the things

Amber Hargroeder:

that you can get lost in. And it might be going

Amber Hargroeder:

back to something like thinking back to who you

Amber Hargroeder:

were when you were 10, but it could be, you know,

Amber Hargroeder:

you can build a business off of that. People have

Amber Hargroeder:

built businesses off of far worse. So.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, and I think that's the back to that business

Meredith Oke:

point that is the key of it, and it's what I

Meredith Oke:

really try to encourage people to do and

Meredith Oke:

understand they can do, is to build a business

Meredith Oke:

that works for them individually and not

Meredith Oke:

necessarily to make it like someone else's. So

Meredith Oke:

how do people find you and participate in this

Meredith Oke:

magic?

Amber Hargroeder:

So the website is amberhargrater.com if you are

Amber Hargroeder:

looking for, like, if, if you have like a small

Amber Hargroeder:

business, like a coaching business, we can still

Amber Hargroeder:

help you through amberhargerter.com. if you're a

Amber Hargroeder:

major corporation like Starbucks or something,

Amber Hargroeder:

you need to go to stealthdog.com okay.

Meredith Oke:

And say, so your self. What's the word you're

Meredith Oke:

saying?

Amber Hargroeder:

Stealth. As in like, like, like S E L F S T E A L

Amber Hargroeder:

T H. Oh, stealth.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, Sorry, I was hearing self.

Amber Hargroeder:

No, stealth. Stealthdog.com. it has a little

Amber Hargroeder:

stealth dog. Okay, you'll see that.

Meredith Oke:

But so, okay, so stealth dog is for enterprise

Meredith Oke:

level. Amberhardtgroeder.com would be for

Meredith Oke:

individuals and small.

Amber Hargroeder:

Businesses, individuals who are looking to fix

Amber Hargroeder:

their burnout. Or even if you need help with your

Amber Hargroeder:

coaching business or with your practitioner

Amber Hargroeder:

business, like just trying to understand, like,

Amber Hargroeder:

what copy you should be using, what, what your

Amber Hargroeder:

focus should be. Be, like trying to really hone

Amber Hargroeder:

in on that so that you can make your vision a

Amber Hargroeder:

reality by, like knowing what the path is for

Amber Hargroeder:

you. So you're not so much wandering in the dark

Amber Hargroeder:

anymore. But we did Say we were going to go to

Amber Hargroeder:

the woo level. Do you want to do time?

Meredith Oke:

Yes. So I wanted to make sure we got your info

Meredith Oke:

out there. And then, yeah, I wanted to end on

Meredith Oke:

your best holistic mindset of all of it.

Amber Hargroeder:

So one of the things I was doing because I, I,

Amber Hargroeder:

people will probably notice who have been

Amber Hargroeder:

following me. You can also follow me on Instagram

Amber Hargroeder:

at Amber Hargroter. I'm gonna be on there more.

Amber Hargroeder:

I'm trying to get involved with X. We'll see how

Amber Hargroeder:

that goes. But I am there if you want to follow

Amber Hargroeder:

me. And I guess if I can get, if I can stomach

Amber Hargroeder:

it, I'll be on LinkedIn. But you know, here's,

Amber Hargroeder:

here's my thing. I had reached a burnout level,

Amber Hargroeder:

which is kind of why this report ended up

Amber Hargroeder:

happening. Because I was trying to understand

Amber Hargroeder:

what is it about me that gets me burned out. And

Amber Hargroeder:

so we ended up making this report. But I was also

Amber Hargroeder:

at the time going through a year long training in

Amber Hargroeder:

dream work and dream interpretation. So we're

Amber Hargroeder:

gonna.

Meredith Oke:

Of course you were.

Amber Hargroeder:

So I'm doing all of this work and with dreams,

Amber Hargroeder:

and that's another thing in the clarity call, if

Amber Hargroeder:

people want dream interpretation, that's

Amber Hargroeder:

something you could just add on. This is like a

Amber Hargroeder:

fun bonus. It's not like a requirement. But I do

Amber Hargroeder:

know how to do it now. So, you know, I guess I

Amber Hargroeder:

should practice. But I started doing all this

Amber Hargroeder:

work with the hypnogenic state and a lot of

Amber Hargroeder:

really brilliant people in the past have used the

Amber Hargroeder:

hypnogenic state to solve problems. I know, like

Amber Hargroeder:

the, the way that DNA looks was, it was like a

Amber Hargroeder:

hypnogenic state realization. But I was working

Amber Hargroeder:

in this state and I came to this conclusion on

Amber Hargroeder:

how I had this like vision, so to speak, this

Amber Hargroeder:

dream about how to raise consciousness. And I

Amber Hargroeder:

feel like it kind of ties back into the bees a

Amber Hargroeder:

little bit. But there's this story about how like

Amber Hargroeder:

there's this grid of light, like the entire Earth

Amber Hargroeder:

has this overarching grid and it's like a power

Amber Hargroeder:

system and everybody, like people who reach

Amber Hargroeder:

certain levels of enlightenment hold down that

Amber Hargroeder:

light on that grid. And so they, they kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

produce the energy that keeps this whole, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, Tesla called it a realm, but keeps

Amber Hargroeder:

everything kind of functioning. And I tied this

Amber Hargroeder:

into the chakras. So everyone has these energy

Amber Hargroeder:

centers within their body and how they spin or if

Amber Hargroeder:

they're blocked dictates how much energy you

Amber Hargroeder:

have. It's, it's your access to your

Amber Hargroeder:

enlightenment levels or access to enlightenment.

Amber Hargroeder:

So the higher enlightenment. But if you have

Amber Hargroeder:

these blockages at different levels of your

Amber Hargroeder:

energetic being, then you're not serving the grid

Amber Hargroeder:

of light. You can't activate this higher

Amber Hargroeder:

consciousness, this higher energy level. And it

Amber Hargroeder:

gets a little bit more complicated. As to all the

Amber Hargroeder:

things that I, like, wrote down after this

Amber Hargroeder:

speaking specific dream. But I was like, okay,

Amber Hargroeder:

well, the answer to really healing yourself is to

Amber Hargroeder:

increase your spin. Increase that spin of your

Amber Hargroeder:

chakras, remove the blockages from it. And I

Amber Hargroeder:

think that's kind of another element of why

Amber Hargroeder:

grounding works so well is you're taking in

Amber Hargroeder:

energy from the Earth. But if your energetic

Amber Hargroeder:

system is out of whack, then you're kind of

Amber Hargroeder:

blocking energy from getting where it needs to

Amber Hargroeder:

go. And I used to do vipassana meditation a lot,

Amber Hargroeder:

and I'd go to those retreats, streets, and I

Amber Hargroeder:

remember there was this quote. They were like, if

Amber Hargroeder:

you're chasing nirvana, you're going the wrong

Amber Hargroeder:

way. That's great. You're constantly chasing the

Amber Hargroeder:

top, the crown chakra, and you're constantly

Amber Hargroeder:

chasing. I want to have this powerful brain, this

Amber Hargroeder:

powerful consciousness. You're going in the

Amber Hargroeder:

opposite direction. What it is, is you have to go

Amber Hargroeder:

deeper into the self, deeper into the root, and

Amber Hargroeder:

it stems naturally from the root. So you're

Amber Hargroeder:

getting rid of all the blockages, and then you're

Amber Hargroeder:

taking an energy from the earth to connect with

Amber Hargroeder:

the energy above the higher. And you want that

Amber Hargroeder:

system to be clear. And it's that spin that

Amber Hargroeder:

ultimately activates this grid of light and

Amber Hargroeder:

brings everyone to a higher level of

Amber Hargroeder:

consciousness, is that every individual needs to

Amber Hargroeder:

focus on themselves. Like, if you want to save

Amber Hargroeder:

the Earth or you want to save humanity. It's not

Amber Hargroeder:

about forming a nonprofit. It's not about, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, I don't know, getting rid of. I mean, I

Amber Hargroeder:

think we should get rid of plastic in the oceans.

Amber Hargroeder:

But that's mostly commercial fishing. You know,

Amber Hargroeder:

it's like, you know, if you want to choose a

Amber Hargroeder:

banner that you're gonna wave over, I'm. I'm

Amber Hargroeder:

making the world a better place. It starts with

Amber Hargroeder:

making yourself a better place. It starts with

Amber Hargroeder:

removing the blockages that are preventing you

Amber Hargroeder:

from being your fullest self. And when you become

Amber Hargroeder:

your fullest self, you kind of glow with a

Amber Hargroeder:

totally different, different energy. When you're

Amber Hargroeder:

not burned out, when you're completely healed. I

Amber Hargroeder:

mean, even though I think Neil Gaiman is a

Amber Hargroeder:

terrible person, his book Stardust, the. The star

Amber Hargroeder:

glows when she's happy. You kind of glow when

Amber Hargroeder:

you. You reach this level of wholeness within

Amber Hargroeder:

Yourself. And you've removed these blockages from

Amber Hargroeder:

your own inner being, and that helps you anchor

Amber Hargroeder:

down into this grid of light, and that raises the

Amber Hargroeder:

consciousness of everything. And so if we think

Amber Hargroeder:

back to the ancients, where they had all of this

Amber Hargroeder:

mysticism around the honeybee, there's a belief

Amber Hargroeder:

like the Fates had everything to deal with. The

Amber Hargroeder:

Fates and the threads of existence. They all.

Amber Hargroeder:

Everything was honey. Like, they had a goat that

Amber Hargroeder:

had honey, like a tree that had honey. Everything

Amber Hargroeder:

was honey. And it's part of this global hive. And

Amber Hargroeder:

so if we look at ourselves as each a bee within

Amber Hargroeder:

the global hive we have, it's an imperative that

Amber Hargroeder:

we follow our own purpose. A maiden hive never

Amber Hargroeder:

mistakes herself for a drone. A drone never

Amber Hargroeder:

mistakes itself for the queen. They know who they

Amber Hargroeder:

are, they know what their purpose is, and they

Amber Hargroeder:

know what the role is in the greater hive. And so

Amber Hargroeder:

why. My. My invitation to everyone is. If you are

Amber Hargroeder:

feeling lost, confused, or burned out, this is an

Amber Hargroeder:

invitation to figure out, like, what is your role

Amber Hargroeder:

in the high. And that way you can reach that

Amber Hargroeder:

higher level of being, and that will ultimately

Amber Hargroeder:

raise all consciousness and make the world a much

Amber Hargroeder:

better place.

Meredith Oke:

I love that. Yes. And it. Yeah, I don't really

Meredith Oke:

have much to add. I think that's totally it. We,

Meredith Oke:

you know, I. In our quest to make the world a

Meredith Oke:

better place, if we overlook the internal and

Meredith Oke:

getting to really know ourselves on a deep, deep

Meredith Oke:

level, all of it. Right. Like, if you haven't had

Meredith Oke:

that moment where you're, like, really stung by

Meredith Oke:

who you truly are and then just decided to move

Meredith Oke:

forward and love yourself anyway.

Amber Hargroeder:

Well, I mean, the bees do sting, so, I mean, it

Amber Hargroeder:

doesn't mean.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. And going internally, the people who have

Meredith Oke:

done that tend to be more effective. Well,

Meredith Oke:

everyone has whatever it is that they want to be

Meredith Oke:

doing.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah, everybody has a role to play. You're here

Amber Hargroeder:

for a reason. You're in this realm for a reason.

Amber Hargroeder:

And I mean, I know. I'm like, you know, being

Amber Hargroeder:

mean about Neil Gaiman. Obviously, he had a

Amber Hargroeder:

reason. I mean, he inspired a lot of people, you

Amber Hargroeder:

know, and some people learn some very hard

Amber Hargroeder:

lessons because of him. But every single

Amber Hargroeder:

individual in this realm has a role to play. And

Amber Hargroeder:

they are part of the greater web of humanity and

Amber Hargroeder:

existence. And in order for that web to be its

Amber Hargroeder:

most alive, each member within that realm has to

Amber Hargroeder:

be alive, has to be their most human. And that's.

Amber Hargroeder:

That's really, I think, the most important thing.

Amber Hargroeder:

If you walk away with anything, like, what would

Amber Hargroeder:

make you the most yourself, what is most.

Amber Hargroeder:

Nourishing to you, to support you becoming the

Amber Hargroeder:

most yourself. That's. That's the journey that I

Amber Hargroeder:

think we're all on. And the more that we're

Amber Hargroeder:

distracted by all the noise around us, the more

Amber Hargroeder:

it pulls us away from that. And so it's really a

Amber Hargroeder:

call to, like, not change because everything is a

Amber Hargroeder:

disaster, but to change because it feels really

Amber Hargroeder:

good to be yourself without apology. It feels

Amber Hargroeder:

really good to be like, yes, this is who I am.

Amber Hargroeder:

This is what I offer. Like, draw. It's not

Amber Hargroeder:

necessarily this drawing a line in the sand to a

Amber Hargroeder:

degree of what you're not. It's looking at, who

Amber Hargroeder:

am I, what am I not? And what's my role here? And

Amber Hargroeder:

I think that that inspires so many people. It's

Amber Hargroeder:

refeeding the fire of the self. You have to feed

Amber Hargroeder:

that fire. If you don't feed it, it burns out.

Amber Hargroeder:

And, you know, I think it. That's. That's the

Amber Hargroeder:

mission I'm on, is to help people rekindle that

Amber Hargroeder:

inner fire.

Meredith Oke:

I love it. Amber, thank you so much for coming

Meredith Oke:

back. This has been really fun. I know. We'll do

Meredith Oke:

it again soon. That's amberhargrader.com for

Meredith Oke:

everyone. You're gonna blow up. Everyone's gonna

Meredith Oke:

be like, I won. I want my words analyzed. And

Meredith Oke:

Hargre is h a r G R o D E r. I was gonna add an

Meredith Oke:

extra E in there.

Amber Hargroeder:

I was gonna change my last name, but then it

Amber Hargroeder:

didn't really roll off the tongue, so I was like,

Amber Hargroeder:

sorry, hon.

Meredith Oke:

What's your husband's last name?

Amber Hargroeder:

Skinner. I was like, amber Skinner is not really

Amber Hargroeder:

a thing. Sorry.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, that has. Yeah, that.

Amber Hargroeder:

Yeah. Love you. No.

Meredith Oke:

I get it. Okay.

Amber Hargroeder:

All right.

Meredith Oke:

Thank you, Amber.

Amber Hargroeder:

See you soon.

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