Episode 141

141: Reprogramming the Subconscious: A Journey from Acupuncture to Psych-K with Krishna Avalon

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"The subconscious is where we create 95 to 97% of our lives," says Krishna Avalon, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to reveal how reprogramming our subconscious beliefs can lead to profound and rapid transformation. As an experienced acupuncturist turned subconscious reprogramming expert, Krishna explains why traditional talk therapy often falls short and how techniques like Psych-K can create lasting change in a matter of sessions.

In this eye-opening discussion, Krishna delves into the power of the subconscious mind and its impact on every aspect of our lives. She shares insights on how our deeply held beliefs shape our reality, from our relationships to our financial success. Krishna also explores the connection between our thoughts and our biology, drawing on the groundbreaking work of Dr. Bruce Lipton.

Tune in to today's episode to discover why healing doesn't have to be a long, arduous process and how simple, elegant solutions can lead to profound shifts in our lives. Learn about the importance of connecting with nature, the dangers of constant technological stimulation, and how to tap into your own intuition for true healing and growth.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Explore subconscious reprogramming techniques like Psych-K to quickly shift limiting beliefs and behaviors, rather than relying solely on traditional talk therapy.

2. Practice slowing down and being present with uncomfortable parts of yourself, using frameworks like Internal Family Systems to witness and appreciate these aspects without judgment.

3. Reduce exposure to potentially harmful programming from news and media. Be mindful of how commercials and other content may negatively impact your subconscious.

4. Prioritize daily time in nature without devices as a way to reconnect with yourself, reduce stress, and gain perspective. Even simple practices like morning walks can have profound effects.

5. Trust your body's innate wisdom rather than relying excessively on wearable devices and data. Practice tuning into how you feel and what you need instead of looking to external sources.

Memorable Quotes

"When you are guided by something higher than you and you listen to that, you have a lot of people that want to show up and be in your gifts."
"I understood that the subconscious is where we create 95 to 97% of our lives, and it's where our programs and behaviors and beliefs and habits are stored."
"Nature is where things make sense. I'm guided by it. It's my God. Nature is God for me. So it's really the most important thing."

Connect with Krishna

Website: https://www.krishnaavalon.com/

Resources: https://www.krishnaavalon.com/resources

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/krishnaavalon/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krishnaavalon/

Resources Mentioned

The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton - https://amzn.to/3H08WUP

PSYCH-K - https://psych-k.com/

Internal Family Systems (IFS) - https://ifs-institute.com/

Emotion Code - https://discoverhealing.com/the-emotion-code/

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Meredith Oke:

Hi, Krishna Avalon. Welcome to the QVC podcast.

Krishna Avalon:

Good morning, Meredith.

Meredith Oke:

I'm really excited for this conversation, but

Meredith Oke:

before we dive into some of the super interesting

Meredith Oke:

things that you do in your work, I'd like to just

Meredith Oke:

do a little bit about your story, because you

Meredith Oke:

were a very experienced, very successful

Meredith Oke:

acupuncturist for many years, and then you made

Meredith Oke:

the decision to sort of expand on that and add to

Meredith Oke:

it. Tell us a little bit about that journey.

Krishna Avalon:

Yeah, I have been really, really blessed to be

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able to always have lots of people to treat. And

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I think it's because I've always loved what I've

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done. And my path to serve and guide others is

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literally like the. The only things besides being

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a mom that I've trusted 1000% until recently. And

Krishna Avalon:

so I think that when you are guided by something

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higher than you and you listen to that, like the,

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you know, you have a lot of people that want to

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show up and be in your gifts. And for me,

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acupuncture was the very first thing. For me,

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that was an absolute yes that I trusted all the

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way. And I had been doing it for about 17 years

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before the pandemic came along. And I'm still

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seeing miracles with that work happen every day

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in my work. But I was in a place where I just

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really needed to grow. And, you know, when you

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can do something really well with a blindfold on,

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that's beautiful. But for me, like, I just, I. I

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wanted to know how I could. How I could serve

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more or express more or serve better. And so I

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started hearing about the subconscious before

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pandemic hit and became obsessed because I

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understood that the subconscious is where we

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create 95 to 97% of our lives, and it's where our

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programs and behaviors and beliefs and habits are

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stored. And so if a person like myself can't make

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changes in their life or they're hitting a lot of

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resistance, or they're repeating stories and

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cycles over and over, like, what is that about?

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And so when I started to understand that it's

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about the contracted, limited and self sabotaging

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beliefs and habits, I mean, I became obsessed.

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And so, like so many people, when the pandemic

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hit, I needed to pivot. And so I had heard about

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Psych K on a podcast, which is the process that

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I'm trained in. It's kind of a silly name. I

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don't love it, but I do love the process because

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it's very simple and more conscious on, like,

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maybe hypnotherapy or other processes that work

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with the subconscious. And so I was like, hmm, I

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wonder if that woman, the one woman in Portland

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who offered psych K and was teaching. I was like,

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oh, I wonder if she's teaching those classes. And

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sure enough, she was. And she taught here in this

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house. I ended up buying her house, which is a

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magical story in itself. But she taught here for

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12 years and lived here for 25. And I did three

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of the four trainings here in her house. And even

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though I knew 1000% this is what I wanted to

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train in and work with myself, I needed to offer

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it to some patients to see what would happen for

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them. And without asking for testimonials or

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feedback. Like, the response that I was getting

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was amazing and profound. And I was like, okay, I

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can trust this all the way now as, like, how I

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can serve best in the world. And so that's part

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of this story.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, no, I love that. And I think, you know,

Meredith Oke:

it's. I see this all the time and experience

Meredith Oke:

myself. It's like, you gain mastery and in one

Meredith Oke:

area, and that's really great. And then it's

Meredith Oke:

like, oh, okay, but what else. What else can I

Meredith Oke:

do? So that's just that growth impulse, I think,

Meredith Oke:

that so many of us on the. So many of us have. So

Meredith Oke:

I just want to talk a little bit more about that.

Meredith Oke:

So, so acupuncture is working, you know, and

Meredith Oke:

we're talking like, very high level here, but

Meredith Oke:

working with the energy system, systems of the

Meredith Oke:

body and then psych K, which is psychological

Meredith Oke:

kinesiology, that is working with the

Meredith Oke:

subconscious. So how. How do you explain the

Meredith Oke:

subconscious to my.

Krishna Avalon:

To the people I'm working with? I will definitely

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have people still come to me for acupuncture.

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Maybe I've worked with them for a lot of years.

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Maybe they're new in my life. Everyone has stress

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and trauma, right? So I'm never really trying to

Krishna Avalon:

talk somebody into doing this work. But I have

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these lenses and perceptions now where I can

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explain, like, oh, with acupuncture, yeah, let's

Krishna Avalon:

support your nervous system. Let's help you

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sleep. Let's regulate your hormones. Let's take

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care of some of this pain. If you're finding that

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you keep getting stuck on the same thing, it's

Krishna Avalon:

very hard for you to make changes. You feel

Krishna Avalon:

triggered over and over again. The best way I can

Krishna Avalon:

support you is probably this process that's very

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simple. And you can peacefully unattach and go in

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a new direction in your brain and have a new

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experience. This is called neuroplasticity and it

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can be very simple and very easy, which is why,

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why I love the process of psych k so much. And

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when people hear me say that, that's usually like

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a light bulb goes off or it might be like a

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little while later, they're reaching out. You

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know, whether it's weeks or a year or a month,

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and they're like, I think I need to try this or.

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And then oftentimes people like this are going to

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hear me on a podcast and they'll just sign up for

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10 sessions. They don't even really know what I

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do, but something resonates or intuitively, you

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know, lights up and they're like, oh, yeah,

Krishna Avalon:

that's. That's exactly what I've been wanting to

Krishna Avalon:

hear, or I needed to hear or make sense to my

Krishna Avalon:

system in some way so I could talk about this

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stuff all day long. It's just kind of like, who's

Krishna Avalon:

my audience? Who am I talking to? I'm not usually

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just going off for no reason or trying to talk

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people into being here. Um, but it's easy for me.

Meredith Oke:

Well, at the current moment, your audience is

Meredith Oke:

people who would really love to hear about the

Meredith Oke:

subconscious. All the things.

Krishna Avalon:

That's awesome. I just feel like you don't have

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to spend 20 years in talk therapy and, you know,

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maybe intellectually understand why things are.

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And that's wonderful and beautiful. But if you've

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been in talk therapy for, for many years and

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you're still pissed off, avoidant feeling

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triggered taking pharmaceuticals, can't really

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even think about it or process because it's too

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painful. That's where this work is so powerful.

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Because in a session, two sessions, 10 sessions,

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like you really going to change your entire life.

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Your perceptions are different, People respond to

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you differently. The world is a different place

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because you have these new perceptions that

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weren't available before and you don't really get

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there. And talk therapy, usually you do get to

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have the support of verbal processing, but you're

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only working with your conscious mind. And so a

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lot of people in regular talk therapy are

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perpetuating the same stories over and over

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again. And I say that not with disrespect. I

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mean, talk therapy saves lives. I'm actually in a

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master's program to get my therapy degree, not

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because I want to go through more training and

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another thing and more student loans. It's

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because I believe in this work that I get to do

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with the subconscious. And with a model called

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Internal family Systems, I know that this is the

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healing the world is asking for. I know there are

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people that are not going to want to use ChatGPT

Krishna Avalon:

as their therapist and want human connection and

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to be witnessed and held. And I'm just getting

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that degree to make this work more available to

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people because I just, I trust it entirely.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, I was just having that discussion this very

Meredith Oke:

morning on Twitter. Somebody had posted, it was a

Meredith Oke:

very like cerebral startup young man. And he was

Meredith Oke:

like, you can just do. Everyone I talk to says

Meredith Oke:

you can just get so much better feedback on AI

Meredith Oke:

than you can from a person. For coaches, for

Meredith Oke:

consultants, for all of it. I just don't know why

Meredith Oke:

you'd go to one anymore. And I was like, well

Meredith Oke:

he's like, I mean, they all say the human touch,

Meredith Oke:

but what does that really mean? I'm like, well,

Meredith Oke:

human touch is a little bit glib, but in my

Meredith Oke:

experience, a lot of times it's not a lack of

Meredith Oke:

information that is holding people back. Like a

Meredith Oke:

lot of times people may know exactly what they

Meredith Oke:

quote unquote should be doing, or they may know

Meredith Oke:

the path they want to walk down. They're just,

Meredith Oke:

for whatever reason, can't get there. And I don't

Meredith Oke:

know, I don't know if AI can help you with that,

Meredith Oke:

but that sounds to me like a subconscious, a

Meredith Oke:

subconscious anchor holding you in place, even if

Meredith Oke:

you're intellectual faculties or conscious mind

Meredith Oke:

is aware. Like, oh, I know I should be, you know,

Meredith Oke:

if I want to start my career as a health coach, I

Meredith Oke:

know I need to reach out to potential clients,

Meredith Oke:

but I'm not doing it. Or I know I should be going

Meredith Oke:

for a walk when I wake up in the morning, but I'm

Meredith Oke:

not doing it. And it's oftentimes we know what to

Meredith Oke:

do, but there's a block. And is that sort of what

Meredith Oke:

you're talking about here?

Krishna Avalon:

Yeah, 100%. Because a lot of us consciously do

Krishna Avalon:

know. And we might tell ourselves, oh, I deserve

Krishna Avalon:

a healthy relationship, or oh, I deserve to make

Krishna Avalon:

money, or oh, I deserve to love my career. But

Krishna Avalon:

the subconscious beliefs for most people are

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pretty contracted. Like you might believe, oh, I

Krishna Avalon:

could have like this much love or this much money

Krishna Avalon:

or this much safety and stability. But most of us

Krishna Avalon:

need like expanding on what we believe that we're

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worthy and deserving of. And so, so if you are

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repeating those themes in health, money, career,

Krishna Avalon:

love, relationships, the amount of joy and

Krishna Avalon:

presence in your life, it's usually because you

Krishna Avalon:

don't believe or know in your subconscious that

Krishna Avalon:

you deserve the best that love and life have to

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offer. You deserve your needs to be met, you

Krishna Avalon:

Deserve to have peace or to have a ton of safety

Krishna Avalon:

and stability. I mean, these are things I've had

Krishna Avalon:

to experience expand within my own system. And

Krishna Avalon:

then I get to guide others through from this

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embodied place because I've gone through it. But

Krishna Avalon:

like those are some of the foundational ones.

Krishna Avalon:

It's what we believe we're worthy and deserving

Krishna Avalon:

of in any area of our life.

Meredith Oke:

Right. And so if we have a subconscious belief,

Meredith Oke:

even if we're, we have a con, we've made a

Meredith Oke:

conscious decision, oh, I'd like to change that

Meredith Oke:

belief. If it's really locked in to the

Meredith Oke:

subconscious, it's going to take more work. Like

Meredith Oke:

what's, so what's it going to. What. It's going

Meredith Oke:

to take more what, what happens?

Krishna Avalon:

I know where you're going with this. You can keep

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trying to like pep talk yourself or mantra

Krishna Avalon:

yourself or journal yourself. And the

Krishna Avalon:

subconscious does like repetition. So if you are

Krishna Avalon:

trying to make change, you can start small, like

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one little habit a day and just keep changing

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that one habit and eventually you are going to

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create that new neural pathway in your mind. And

Krishna Avalon:

that's beautiful. You can listen to self

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hypnosis, you can use visuals and make like an

Krishna Avalon:

action board where you have just images of how

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you want your life to feel and look like. Because

Krishna Avalon:

the subconscious does prefer images and sound

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over like words and surroundings. Cerebral

Krishna Avalon:

processing, there are lots of things you can do

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on your own. But the work that I get to do is

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like deep excavating and then you use these other

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things to reinforce these new neural pathways

Krishna Avalon:

that you've just created. And that just makes it

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so much faster. So if you, like me, want things

Krishna Avalon:

simple, direct, let's do it. Now. This is, this

Krishna Avalon:

is the stuff. I mean and for me, this is the

Krishna Avalon:

stuff that I had been waiting for.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, it's really interesting because I was

Meredith Oke:

listening to you describe it and I think

Meredith Oke:

sometimes and for a lot of us, and I know like my

Meredith Oke:

audience is into all, you know, all the things,

Meredith Oke:

they are very far down the path of healing in

Meredith Oke:

many different ways. But a lot of the times these

Meredith Oke:

things kind of get all like smushed together in

Meredith Oke:

our minds. And so I, what I, I find very

Meredith Oke:

clarifying about the way you explain it. I'm

Meredith Oke:

like, okay, so the acupuncture is the energy

Meredith Oke:

system and then something like emotion code or

Meredith Oke:

EFT is like moving sort of moving blockages or

Meredith Oke:

moving things that are stuck. This is kind of my

Meredith Oke:

experience of things. And then talk therapy is

Meredith Oke:

like a processing of experiences. But psych k

Meredith Oke:

this kind of psychological kinesiology, this is a

Meredith Oke:

reprogramming. So this is sort of going

Meredith Oke:

underneath. Would you say all of those things?

Krishna Avalon:

Yeah. I love that you understand and you even

Krishna Avalon:

know what psych K stands for because that's,

Krishna Avalon:

yeah, very helpful. A lot of people have never

Krishna Avalon:

heard of it. And the only reason they have heard

Krishna Avalon:

of it maybe is Bruce Lipton, who wrote the

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Biology of Beliefs and used psych K to finish

Krishna Avalon:

that book. And he finds psyche the most helpful

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thing to work with this subconscious. And he's

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definitely one of my teachers. But yes, psych K

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is going to help you. Okay, so there are, there

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are balances that we do in psych K. And the

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balances are meant to get your brain in a whole

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brain state is what we call it. Get the left and

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the right hemispheres of your brain to

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communicate clearly so that you can peacefully

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unattach from a stressful or triggering event, go

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in a new direction, have a new experience,

Krishna Avalon:

perhaps have a perception that just was not

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available before because your brain was stuck in

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this one behavior or belief. Right. The other

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balance we use the a lot is called a goal

Krishna Avalon:

statement balance. And that's when we would get

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to talk about what you want. And this is where

Krishna Avalon:

like your best practitioner comes into play

Krishna Avalon:

because I get to reflectively listen and help you

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come up with your very best, most favorite words

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so that you literally create the new program in

Krishna Avalon:

your subconscious. And that's where I feel psyche

Krishna Avalon:

is very special because I haven't learned other

Krishna Avalon:

process. I mean, you can with tapping an eft, you

Krishna Avalon:

end up, you know, you speak to like where you're

Krishna Avalon:

stuck, where you're limited and then you start

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kind of like reinforcing with what you want. You

Krishna Avalon:

can. And I love tapping. I didn't used to like

Krishna Avalon:

way back when because I'm an acupuncturist. And I

Krishna Avalon:

was like, I don't know, this is stupid to me. But

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then I had a teacher who resonated kind of

Krishna Avalon:

explain it and I was like, okay, I love it. And I

Krishna Avalon:

not, you know, I'll do it in the bathtub or

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something. But psych K, because of the balance

Krishna Avalon:

that we do, it's just, it is, it's quicker, it's

Krishna Avalon:

deeper. And then you can use EFT or other things

Krishna Avalon:

to reinforce the new neural pathway and it's just

Krishna Avalon:

going to be so much quicker. And I love emotion

Krishna Avalon:

code as well. I love it. But that's more for

Krishna Avalon:

clearing emotions, yours or other people's past,

Krishna Avalon:

present or future. And I love it. I'M like an

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emotional being very much. But for me it's like K

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was like, oh, I can unattach peacefully from

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these things that have been really like I've been

Krishna Avalon:

stuck in. But I also can consider what I want,

Krishna Avalon:

which is how I love to work with people. Like, we

Krishna Avalon:

all know what we don't want, but like, what do

Krishna Avalon:

you want? And we get to talk about that. So

Krishna Avalon:

sometimes people are like, well, how do you know

Krishna Avalon:

if you're stuck in your subconscious or if you

Krishna Avalon:

need subconscious work? First of all, just look

Krishna Avalon:

at your life and your relationships. Where are

Krishna Avalon:

you stuck feeling like you wish you could grow or

Krishna Avalon:

you're frustrated? We do that balance help you

Krishna Avalon:

peacefully, unattach from a couple things. And I

Krishna Avalon:

see that balance as like clearing the slate and

Krishna Avalon:

making space. Because that stuff takes up a lot

Krishna Avalon:

of psychological psychic space. And then we get

Krishna Avalon:

to talk about what you want and create these new

Krishna Avalon:

programs so that it's just so much easier. Like

Krishna Avalon:

you don't have all the self doubt or the

Krishna Avalon:

rigmarole or the stuff in your brain that's

Krishna Avalon:

keeping you from doing the things that you want

Krishna Avalon:

to do. And sometimes psych play is so subtle but

Krishna Avalon:

very powerful where all of a sudden you're just

Krishna Avalon:

doing the thing that you haven't been able to do

Krishna Avalon:

before and you're like, oh my God, I'm doing it.

Meredith Oke:

Right. It just feels, it just kind of flows and

Meredith Oke:

feels natural and it's like, oh, wait a minute,

Meredith Oke:

like a month ago or yesterday even I went to go

Meredith Oke:

do this and it was like, you know, you either

Meredith Oke:

have to force yourself or just avoid it

Meredith Oke:

altogether or it just doesn't flow and feels like

Meredith Oke:

I can, I mean, I probably won't, but I could

Meredith Oke:

right now, like tell you the two key areas that

Meredith Oke:

are like that for me, that ongoing for my whole

Meredith Oke:

life, right. And other areas have been able to

Meredith Oke:

open up and like, oh, like showing up in

Meredith Oke:

relationships. Oh, it's supposed to be like that.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, okay. But then there's other areas where it's

Meredith Oke:

like, all right, I'll just say it. It's money. I

Meredith Oke:

hate it. It's gotten better, but it's like

Meredith Oke:

incrementally. And it's always the area where,

Meredith Oke:

you know, when I have a call with.

Krishna Avalon:

A bookkeeper, her, it's like.

Meredith Oke:

You know, I can feel that as you said, that

Meredith Oke:

contraction.

Krishna Avalon:

And so what we would do is pick an aspect, you

Krishna Avalon:

know, not all of the money stuff, but we would

Krishna Avalon:

pick a specific thing around the money. Like you

Krishna Avalon:

just named the bookkeeper call and you'd sit

Krishna Avalon:

there and you focus, focus, focus on that stress,

Krishna Avalon:

of what it's like to feel contracted with your

Krishna Avalon:

call with your bookkeeper. And you'd sit there

Krishna Avalon:

and like, like, not try to fix it in your mind or

Krishna Avalon:

imagine what you want. You're literally sitting

Krishna Avalon:

there in this thing we call a whole brain posture

Krishna Avalon:

until this shift happens. Like, you might start

Krishna Avalon:

feeling panicky or stressed or, or crying,

Krishna Avalon:

tension in your body. And that's all very, very

Krishna Avalon:

normal. And then you just keep sitting there and

Krishna Avalon:

focusing on it. And then all of a sudden this

Krishna Avalon:

shift happens. Whether it's physically, mentally,

Krishna Avalon:

emotionally. You might just breathe, this new

Krishna Avalon:

perception might become available where you're

Krishna Avalon:

like, oh. And then all of a sudden you're on the

Krishna Avalon:

call with your bookkeeper and it's like, not

Krishna Avalon:

stressful and it's easy. And you're like, oh,

Krishna Avalon:

that was actually really easy. And sometimes the

Krishna Avalon:

balance takes a minute. Sometimes people sit

Krishna Avalon:

there in that whole brain posture for 20 and it

Krishna Avalon:

doesn't matter. We muscle test before and after

Krishna Avalon:

the balance just to make sure there's been a

Krishna Avalon:

shift. And then, yeah, yesterday I did do a

Krishna Avalon:

balance for someone around business with someone,

Krishna Avalon:

and it was like the stress that they have when

Krishna Avalon:

they look at their bank account every day, right?

Krishna Avalon:

Like logging in, seeing where they're. So that

Krishna Avalon:

kind of thing. I did a balance the other day with

Krishna Avalon:

a client who, you know, for body stuff, she's

Krishna Avalon:

just not feeling good in her body, very self

Krishna Avalon:

conscious, very critical. And she wrote me the

Krishna Avalon:

next day and she was like, I was hanging out in

Krishna Avalon:

my bikini with my husband's family. I'm like,

Krishna Avalon:

laying on the ground on the beach blanket

Krishna Avalon:

sideways. And like, I just didn't give a hoot,

Krishna Avalon:

you know what I mean? I didn't even know who I

Krishna Avalon:

was. She's like, she's like, I didn't even know

Krishna Avalon:

who I was, but I loved it. I did not care. And I

Krishna Avalon:

was like, that's. Yeah, that's psych.

Meredith Oke:

Wow. And that was just like sort of reprogramming

Meredith Oke:

the part of her subconscious that was locked into

Meredith Oke:

being, seeing her body negatively and feeling

Meredith Oke:

critical of her, of her physical self.

Krishna Avalon:

Yeah, we did a stress balance around, like, what

Krishna Avalon:

it's like for her to look in the mirror naked.

Krishna Avalon:

And so she focused on that in that bull brain

Krishna Avalon:

posture. And for that one, it looks something

Krishna Avalon:

like your ankles are crossed and your hands are

Krishna Avalon:

crossed in this way when we cross the midline of

Krishna Avalon:

the body like that. If you've ever done emdr,

Krishna Avalon:

it's similar. You're just like getting those left

Krishna Avalon:

and right hemispheres to communicate together.

Krishna Avalon:

But so she was focusing on that. She had this

Krishna Avalon:

nausea, she was tight, she had all this like,

Krishna Avalon:

chatter in her brain. And then all of a sudden

Krishna Avalon:

she just felt really relaxed. And then that's

Krishna Avalon:

when she knew that we were done. And we muscle

Krishna Avalon:

tested to make sure that it had happened, the

Krishna Avalon:

shift had happened. And then we also created a

Krishna Avalon:

goal statement, something along the lines of, I

Krishna Avalon:

love and accept my body exactly as it is. She's a

Krishna Avalon:

mama, she had three babies. And so the

Krishna Avalon:

combination, I think we did one other stress

Krishna Avalon:

balance too. But like, the combination of that is

Krishna Avalon:

going to change your life, you know?

Meredith Oke:

Yes. It's so interesting to me, and I've been

Meredith Oke:

having this conversation recently that there, you

Meredith Oke:

know, and this is a subconscious and a conscious

Meredith Oke:

belief, I guess, this idea that it's very, very

Meredith Oke:

hard to get over trauma. It's very, very hard to

Meredith Oke:

change these types of things. And I feel like

Meredith Oke:

we're kind of. There's this idea that we're.

Meredith Oke:

We're locked in. And then I speak to people like

Meredith Oke:

you, and there are so many beautiful modalities

Meredith Oke:

and approaches that can clear or in your case,

Meredith Oke:

reprogram. And it's almost, I feel like sometimes

Meredith Oke:

it's almost like it's like the culture is

Meredith Oke:

encouraging us to hold on to it 100%.

Krishna Avalon:

I'm so glad that you brought this up because we

Krishna Avalon:

all have stress and trauma, and trauma doesn't

Krishna Avalon:

have to be like hugely dark, horrible. Shh, Boom.

Krishna Avalon:

Like, it can be just long term stress. Like, most

Krishna Avalon:

people had some of this during COVID you know,

Krishna Avalon:

whether it was their business or worried about

Krishna Avalon:

health or the unknown. You know, I've been

Krishna Avalon:

working with a lot of people of fear of the

Krishna Avalon:

unknown since COVID and we all have that stuff.

Krishna Avalon:

And this is exactly what I try to help people

Krishna Avalon:

understand is it does not have to take 20 years

Krishna Avalon:

of CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, which is

Krishna Avalon:

like, very enduring and like, arduous. And I

Krishna Avalon:

mean, I'm not attracted to it. To have to go

Krishna Avalon:

through this stuff and like, relive it and have

Krishna Avalon:

the experience. No, you can. Some people's

Krishna Avalon:

personalities just believe that you have to,

Krishna Avalon:

like, work really hard to earn healing or freedom

Krishna Avalon:

or peace. And that's what I'm here to represent

Krishna Avalon:

is like, you already deserve that. And it can be

Krishna Avalon:

simple and easy. Like, simple to me is elegant.

Krishna Avalon:

It doesn't. And it's deep. You don't have to

Krishna Avalon:

prove that, that you're worthy of having what you

Krishna Avalon:

want by, like, suffering and So I think that a

Krishna Avalon:

lot of people who do choose things like cbt,

Krishna Avalon:

maybe they don't know any different. But also

Krishna Avalon:

there are ways that are loving, compassionate,

Krishna Avalon:

peaceful, gentle, simple and you can get there

Krishna Avalon:

quicker. That's what I want.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, that sounds really good. I'm done. I did

Meredith Oke:

enough struggle. I'm good. I'm ready for the

Meredith Oke:

simple elegant solutions.

Krishna Avalon:

Exactly.

Meredith Oke:

And so something else that I was thinking about

Meredith Oke:

in terms of the subconscious is the collective

Meredith Oke:

subconscious and how, you know, my choice to

Meredith Oke:

clear my stuff and free my, you know, reprogram

Meredith Oke:

myself in a way that I choose that works better

Meredith Oke:

for me and leads me to feel how I want to feel in

Meredith Oke:

my life. Am I also impacting other, you know, is

Meredith Oke:

that going to ripple out? Like we're, you know,

Meredith Oke:

we talk a lot about the quantum field here as

Meredith Oke:

well. So I would imagine that it feels, and I say

Meredith Oke:

selfish and almost in a good way. Like I think we

Meredith Oke:

need to be a bit more focused on our, what we

Meredith Oke:

want and need. But by doing that we're unlocking

Meredith Oke:

something that may have a ripple effect.

Krishna Avalon:

Yes, you're super speaking my language with all

Krishna Avalon:

the things, ripple effects, quantum fields,

Krishna Avalon:

rational trauma. Like I know that when I am

Krishna Avalon:

healing and tending my inner team and teenager

Krishna Avalon:

that still needs to be held, seen. And this is

Krishna Avalon:

more like internal family systems, I realize,

Krishna Avalon:

which is another formal mental health framework.

Krishna Avalon:

But when I do that work, and then I'll combine it

Krishna Avalon:

sometimes with subconscious work, when I do my

Krishna Avalon:

subconscious work or my inner wounding work, it's

Krishna Avalon:

totally affecting my daughter, it's affecting her

Krishna Avalon:

kids if she has them. It's, you know, I believe

Krishna Avalon:

as a spiritual being it is going throughout space

Krishna Avalon:

and time. Not just current present moment, but

Krishna Avalon:

definitely current present moment. What I do

Krishna Avalon:

inside myself is absolutely affecting every

Krishna Avalon:

single person as a client or patient that comes

Krishna Avalon:

through my door. And I know that that's why

Krishna Avalon:

people return to me is because I do my work. I

Krishna Avalon:

get to be the tuning fork rather than match

Krishna Avalon:

somebody's dysregulated nervous system. I get to

Krishna Avalon:

be like the person people come to, to co regulate

Krishna Avalon:

with because I can, can hold my own because I've

Krishna Avalon:

tended that wound. I've been with my shadow. I

Krishna Avalon:

get to guide you from an embodied place. And like

Krishna Avalon:

I used to feel so shitty or guilty for like not

Krishna Avalon:

reading the news and know what's going on all the

Krishna Avalon:

time. And I've had to let that go because there's

Krishna Avalon:

enough going on for my own nervous system in my

Krishna Avalon:

own world and all the people that I care for to.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, I love that. Sorry, your audio just did

Meredith Oke:

something weird. I think it's still recording on

Meredith Oke:

your side, though, so it should be fine.

Krishna Avalon:

Okay.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. I have a lot of opinions, opinions about

Meredith Oke:

how much news we should be watching, which is.

Meredith Oke:

Which is not much. And I also, speaking like,

Meredith Oke:

looking at it from the subconscious, I. Partly

Meredith Oke:

just due to circumstance because we lived

Meredith Oke:

overseas, and partly due to personal choice

Meredith Oke:

because I've never really liked watching the

Meredith Oke:

news, but I would. I did for many, many years,

Meredith Oke:

did not watch any kind of, like, official news

Meredith Oke:

channel with the news, Anchorage sitting there.

Meredith Oke:

And then I think, like, during COVID I was

Meredith Oke:

watching more clips than I ever had of this kind

Meredith Oke:

of thing. And I. It just was so clear to me. The.

Meredith Oke:

Everything about those shows is trying to program

Meredith Oke:

you this. These news anchors speak with such

Meredith Oke:

authoritative certainty. And they're all, like,

Meredith Oke:

framed up as they're alone in this chair in this

Meredith Oke:

high space with a thing. And they're like, I know

Meredith Oke:

everything that's going on, and this is what it

Meredith Oke:

is. And you're like. And you just. Even though I

Meredith Oke:

consciously was like, I'm not really into this, I

Meredith Oke:

could feel on an energetic level, my body just

Meredith Oke:

kind of like, responding to this. It was

Meredith Oke:

programming is what it felt like. I could feel

Meredith Oke:

myself being programmed by all of the different

Meredith Oke:

cues that they. You know, it's on purpose or not.

Meredith Oke:

I don't want to get into that, but that's what

Meredith Oke:

the effect felt like to me after having been away

Meredith Oke:

from it for so long.

Krishna Avalon:

Exactly. And thankfully, we don't have cable TV

Krishna Avalon:

in our house. There are so many things I'd rather

Krishna Avalon:

do than watch tv. I mean, we pull some, sometimes

Krishna Avalon:

watch movies, of course, or binge a show. But

Krishna Avalon:

it's shocking what people choose to, like, let

Krishna Avalon:

seep into their subconscious just with

Krishna Avalon:

commercials. I was waiting for some food recently

Krishna Avalon:

at a restaurant for pickup. And when you don't

Krishna Avalon:

have a tv and then you see, yes, you're like, I

Krishna Avalon:

mean, I made. Because we were like, re watching

Krishna Avalon:

Stranger Things last time for like, the fourth

Krishna Avalon:

time, season one, only not season. And I was

Krishna Avalon:

like, crying at stuff. And she's like, are you

Krishna Avalon:

okay, mom? And I'm like, I don't watch stuff, so

Krishna Avalon:

things affect me. And I like that I'm not always

Krishna Avalon:

tuned into, like, the programming and the TV and

Krishna Avalon:

the things. I'm not desensitized in that way. I

Krishna Avalon:

want to be affected by things. But back to the

Krishna Avalon:

restaurant, I was like, oh, okay, I counted

Krishna Avalon:

right. Eight commercials, and six of them are

Krishna Avalon:

pharmaceuticals. And I was like, oh, My. And

Krishna Avalon:

pharmaceuticals with just a list of side effects

Krishna Avalon:

essentially with people bouncing around being

Krishna Avalon:

happy thing. And I was like, this is, this is

Krishna Avalon:

like what normal people, most people are tuning

Krishna Avalon:

into. And I was like, oh my God. Not that I

Krishna Avalon:

didn't know that. But then when you have it just

Krishna Avalon:

right there to like, wow. No wonder, no wonder we

Krishna Avalon:

have these.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, no, it's. It's crazy. The, the way, the

Meredith Oke:

way. And then when you understand at a deep

Meredith Oke:

level, like the way you're explaining to us right

Meredith Oke:

now and you know, from like a quantum biologic

Meredith Oke:

perspective, like our. We're in continuous

Meredith Oke:

energetic communication with our environment all

Meredith Oke:

of the time. And so you think like, oh, it's just

Meredith Oke:

a commercial commercial, but it's the messaging.

Meredith Oke:

And so if you're not aware of what's going on,

Meredith Oke:

like, yeah, it's crazy. I had that same

Meredith Oke:

experience. We don't watch much tv, but there's

Meredith Oke:

certain like sports events that my husband and my

Meredith Oke:

son like to watch together. And they. Yeah, every

Meredith Oke:

ad it was like, take this pill to fix this

Meredith Oke:

problem. Oh, you might get. You might get a heart

Meredith Oke:

attack or have bloody diarrhea, but don't worry

Meredith Oke:

about that. What?

Krishna Avalon:

No big deal. Look how you're bouncing with your

Krishna Avalon:

family.

Meredith Oke:

But it's all. But it's fine. You should talk to

Meredith Oke:

your doctor. Talk to your doctor about this. Talk

Meredith Oke:

to your doctor about that. Okay. This is so

Meredith Oke:

weird. It's like I feel like I'm sometimes in a

Meredith Oke:

science fiction movie where like the, the hero

Meredith Oke:

gets dropped into to some alternate future

Meredith Oke:

universe and you're like, what's all this? What's

Meredith Oke:

happening? But it's real, it's art. This is our

Meredith Oke:

timeline. But I feel like we live in a slightly

Meredith Oke:

different version of it. And then we go visit

Meredith Oke:

that one and it's like, what's happening?

Krishna Avalon:

You. You 100% are exactly reality here to like

Krishna Avalon:

spread light and be light and do that ripply

Krishna Avalon:

effect thing that you do. But yeah.

Meredith Oke:

So, yeah, I just wanted to swing back to Bruce

Meredith Oke:

Lipton for a minute because, yeah, he had a

Meredith Oke:

profound influence on me as well. I remember

Meredith Oke:

reading his book when it came out and he was the

Meredith Oke:

first person that articulated the idea that our

Meredith Oke:

thoughts and our beliefs could affect our

Meredith Oke:

biology. And I read it. I was pregnant with my

Meredith Oke:

first child at the time and maybe got a little

Meredith Oke:

obsessed with personal development because I'm

Meredith Oke:

like, I don't want to pass on my bad beliefs to

Meredith Oke:

the baby. But his. Yeah, his perspective I think

Meredith Oke:

has really borne out. And there are. Now there's

Meredith Oke:

now science to show that he was absolutely

Meredith Oke:

correct with that.

Krishna Avalon:

Exactly. And you know, he has his own personal

Krishna Avalon:

story which I think really helps it land for

Krishna Avalon:

people, is that he was a scientist and he wasn't

Krishna Avalon:

a spiritual person. And when he started making

Krishna Avalon:

these connections by studying cells, right. And

Krishna Avalon:

seeing how they would respond to different like

Krishna Avalon:

environments or things they were doing in the

Krishna Avalon:

lab, it's like his world got wrong.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Krishna Avalon:

Like he realized like there was something more

Krishna Avalon:

than science and just hearing about his own

Krishna Avalon:

personal relationships and how he was never

Krishna Avalon:

really able to find love. And he was, you know,

Krishna Avalon:

in a way like kind of, kind of low self worth and

Krishna Avalon:

kind of clinging as he would describe it. And

Krishna Avalon:

then, you know, he met his wife as he started

Krishna Avalon:

kind of doing his inner work. And you know, he

Krishna Avalon:

describes his marriage as heaven on earth. And

Krishna Avalon:

you know, it's so beautiful. And I think that

Krishna Avalon:

helps it land for people because he has gone

Krishna Avalon:

through it, he's gone things, he's teaching. So.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. And he started by studying the physical and

Meredith Oke:

then went out, went way out. And there, you know,

Meredith Oke:

there are now like quantum biology labs sprouting

Meredith Oke:

up all over that are showing that, you know, this

Meredith Oke:

extra physical communication is for sure real.

Meredith Oke:

And it's interesting that too. You mentioned the

Meredith Oke:

family constellations and family systems. Totally

Meredith Oke:

different family systems. Oh, are those

Meredith Oke:

different? Okay, sorry, tell me the difference.

Krishna Avalon:

No, that's okay. From what I understand about

Krishna Avalon:

family constellations is it's like kind of your

Krishna Avalon:

ancestry even beyond this physical space and

Krishna Avalon:

time, which is beautiful, but like I have enough

Krishna Avalon:

to work on right here on planet Earth. And I

Krishna Avalon:

love, and that's where I love to hang out. But as

Krishna Avalon:

far as like what's going on within my own system

Krishna Avalon:

right here and now, internal family systems is

Krishna Avalon:

what I work with and that's a formal mental

Krishna Avalon:

health framework. Both psych K&IFS Internal

Krishna Avalon:

family systems were created by psychologists who

Krishna Avalon:

were not able to serve their patients in the way

Krishna Avalon:

that they wanted to. And so they created these

Krishna Avalon:

systems. And anybody who knows about IFS is like,

Krishna Avalon:

oh my God, yes. I mean it's so beautiful and

Krishna Avalon:

loving and deep and compassionate and again,

Krishna Avalon:

simple. And it helps people be with the parts of

Krishna Avalon:

themselves that need their attention. Because we

Krishna Avalon:

all have those. We have parts of us. All of us

Krishna Avalon:

do. And then we have a self which is like the

Krishna Avalon:

Meredith who is already whole, healed, loving,

Krishna Avalon:

courageous, compassionate, wise, you know, all

Krishna Avalon:

these things. And so the framework is meant to

Krishna Avalon:

get you and your self energy in relationship with

Krishna Avalon:

your parts. And as your parts arts get to know

Krishna Avalon:

you, they learn to trust you and they learn to

Krishna Avalon:

kind of unblend or unburden from these places

Krishna Avalon:

that they've been stuck in wounding or they've

Krishna Avalon:

been in these roles that are like very extreme

Krishna Avalon:

and not comfy for your system. So for instance,

Krishna Avalon:

our parts can be either protector parts or they

Krishna Avalon:

can be exiles and our protectors can be managers

Krishna Avalon:

or fight firefighters. So the managers get a lot

Krishna Avalon:

of cred in life. They're like, get done, maybe

Krishna Avalon:

hyper vigilant, they're overworking, maybe

Krishna Avalon:

perfectionist, critical, judgmental, maybe bossy.

Krishna Avalon:

And then they go into these roles to protect your

Krishna Avalon:

exiles. And so once you get to know how to

Krishna Avalon:

witness these parts of you and ask them like,

Krishna Avalon:

hey, what do you want me to know? I want you to

Krishna Avalon:

know I'm here with you. I want to get to know

Krishna Avalon:

you. You're not alone. You can imagine how like

Krishna Avalon:

these parts of you that went into these roles to

Krishna Avalon:

try to help you survive, like they learn to

Krishna Avalon:

soften and they learn to give you space and then

Krishna Avalon:

that you get to be with them, which is. And then

Krishna Avalon:

other protective parts. By the way, there's the

Krishna Avalon:

firefighter protector parts are like usually self

Krishna Avalon:

harming and maybe like drinking drugs. When you

Krishna Avalon:

get to know that the hearts are not bad again,

Krishna Avalon:

you went into the bones. You get to be with them

Krishna Avalon:

and tell them you love them and come to

Krishna Avalon:

surviving. It's amazing what that does to your

Krishna Avalon:

system because these criminals have never been

Krishna Avalon:

talked like that. They've never had someone be

Krishna Avalon:

present with their hurting. Who's there A lot of.

Krishna Avalon:

I don't like other frameworks in like a tense

Krishna Avalon:

practice people away, but to learn how to be with

Krishna Avalon:

them and witness them and appreciate them. So

Krishna Avalon:

yeah, different than family constellations.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, that's, yeah, that's really beautiful

Meredith Oke:

because it gives us a, it gives us something to

Meredith Oke:

be in dialogue with as opposed to just being

Meredith Oke:

like, oh, why am I, why am I being like this? Why

Meredith Oke:

am I being like that? It's like, oh, this is my,

Meredith Oke:

this is my firefighter trying to keep me safe. I

Meredith Oke:

can talk to that part of myself. Do you ever

Meredith Oke:

notice? And I'm just curious because I'm thinking

Meredith Oke:

of personal experience here that someone will

Meredith Oke:

have like a really dominant firefighter and say

Meredith Oke:

that, you know, know they're, they are an

Meredith Oke:

alcoholic or in an addictive behavior and then

Meredith Oke:

they, they kind of make peace with that part of

Meredith Oke:

themselves and then the manager takes over and

Meredith Oke:

they become like super hyper, like fixated and

Meredith Oke:

obsessed with whatever and they just sort of move

Meredith Oke:

into a very like judgmental Overly managing part

Meredith Oke:

of themselves.

Krishna Avalon:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

Does that happen?

Krishna Avalon:

Yes. Sometimes folks are in conflict with each

Krishna Avalon:

other and so then you, you learn like a, you

Krishna Avalon:

know, a good facilitator. Really my job as a

Krishna Avalon:

facilitator is I get to like reflect my self

Krishna Avalon:

energy to your system so that your parts feel

Krishna Avalon:

safer to be seen. But then you really are the

Krishna Avalon:

therapist if you have enough self energy, part

Krishna Avalon:

present and then you get to be with, with your

Krishna Avalon:

parts and I just get to ask you the right

Krishna Avalon:

question. But yes, parts are often in conflict

Krishna Avalon:

and that's what you get to work with or you have

Krishna Avalon:

to be aware. And this is like, you know, people

Krishna Avalon:

who have like complex trauma and a lot of ptsd.

Krishna Avalon:

Sometimes parts will rebel after a session and

Krishna Avalon:

you might get to know an exile or a firefighter.

Krishna Avalon:

And yeah, those marriages managers might come in

Krishna Avalon:

and be like, oh no, we are not gonna unleash this

Krishna Avalon:

stuff. Right. So to your point, yes, managers can

Krishna Avalon:

come in and over manage more once you start

Krishna Avalon:

getting into the system. But honestly, in my

Krishna Avalon:

work, I haven't found that too much because we're

Krishna Avalon:

not going into a session with an agenda like, oh,

Krishna Avalon:

let's go unburden your exiles. No, just hanging

Krishna Avalon:

out and getting to know a part and just being

Krishna Avalon:

like, hey, I'm here with you. Sometimes that's

Krishna Avalon:

like a whole session. Usually we go way deeper

Krishna Avalon:

than that. But it's amazing how just slowing down

Krishna Avalon:

softens everything because most of us don't ever

Krishna Avalon:

do that and we don't ever slow down to give the

Krishna Avalon:

uncomfy or hurting parts of us attention. And so

Krishna Avalon:

it's really beautiful. That's one of the main

Krishna Avalon:

takeaways with ifs, is slowing it down, giving

Krishna Avalon:

things space to be witnessed.

Meredith Oke:

Beautiful. Yeah. And I think it's important to

Meredith Oke:

talk about because that manager, that hyper

Meredith Oke:

vigilant manager that you were talking about. I

Meredith Oke:

was watching something on YouTube yesterday and

Meredith Oke:

it was, it wasn't even a health video, it was a

Meredith Oke:

business video. But the person in it made some

Meredith Oke:

reference to the cov, to being a recovering

Meredith Oke:

vegan. And that all the. And like it was one

Meredith Oke:

throwaway line in like a 15 minute video on a

Meredith Oke:

totally different topic. And all the comments

Meredith Oke:

were like really angry vegans. And it just

Meredith Oke:

reminded me how in the health space, like we're

Meredith Oke:

often drawn in for a physical reason. But I see

Meredith Oke:

that that part of us then becomes like extremely

Meredith Oke:

judgmental and critical and controlling and like

Meredith Oke:

I'm choosing this way to, to deal with my health

Meredith Oke:

and it everyone else is, you know, wrong or

Meredith Oke:

everyone I Don't know. I don't mind articulating

Meredith Oke:

it very well, but it becomes a bit of a, becomes

Meredith Oke:

a bit of a thing. And I think it's, you know, if

Meredith Oke:

we're too, if we're only focused on our food and

Meredith Oke:

our physical health and we don't bring in all of

Meredith Oke:

these things that you're talking about, we're

Meredith Oke:

just going to continue. Even if we make strides

Meredith Oke:

physically, we're going to continue to stay stuck

Meredith Oke:

inside some ways.

Krishna Avalon:

So true. And imagine like being super committed

Krishna Avalon:

to your physical body but creating an ex and a

Krishna Avalon:

subconscious belief that you deserve rest. Or you

Krishna Avalon:

love your body and appreciate your body exactly

Krishna Avalon:

as it is and then you combine those things and

Krishna Avalon:

then you're enjoying your regimen and your

Krishna Avalon:

exercise and your routines even more because it

Krishna Avalon:

doesn't feel like a job from self hatred or not

Krishna Avalon:

enoughness. Like a totally different experience.

Krishna Avalon:

Right. Or being with the part of you that needs

Krishna Avalon:

to like overwork out or be hypervigilant about

Krishna Avalon:

your diet. You know what I mean? Like I have a

Krishna Avalon:

lot of respect for people who are like purist in

Krishna Avalon:

there, but it's like where's that coming from? Is

Krishna Avalon:

it coming from self love or is it coming from

Krishna Avalon:

self hatred? And you're going to have a totally

Krishna Avalon:

different experience. Right. With, with one or

Krishna Avalon:

the other.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. That's such a good way to put it. Like

Meredith Oke:

where, where is it coming from? And you know, we,

Meredith Oke:

we focus a lot on connecting to nature and

Meredith Oke:

connecting to sunlight and going outside in the

Meredith Oke:

morning. And what I have found is so beautiful

Meredith Oke:

about that process is that sometimes people

Meredith Oke:

reject it because it is too simple. They're like

Meredith Oke:

to your point earlier, like, oh no, it should be

Meredith Oke:

harder. Like that can't really be that helpful.

Meredith Oke:

But the flip side is what I hear and what I've

Meredith Oke:

experienced when I do embrace those types of

Meredith Oke:

practices is that slowing down, you know, like

Meredith Oke:

it's going on a morning walk is just an

Meredith Oke:

inherently like a softening I think, as you said.

Meredith Oke:

And so I'm just curious. I know you spend a lot

Meredith Oke:

of time in nature and it's a really important

Meredith Oke:

part of your life. So I'm curious how you see

Meredith Oke:

those two things interacting that time in nature,

Meredith Oke:

that slowing down, that ability to come into

Meredith Oke:

ourselves.

Krishna Avalon:

Yeah, I mean it's, it's a non negotiable for me.

Krishna Avalon:

It's like a guiding, it's my compass to be

Krishna Avalon:

honest. Like for me nature is where things make

Krishna Avalon:

sense. I'm lucky that I have a reference point.

Krishna Avalon:

I'm old enough. Our life Pre Facebook and pre

Krishna Avalon:

cell phones. You know, I grew up in the 80s and I

Krishna Avalon:

miss them all the time. That's part of why we're

Krishna Avalon:

rewatching Strange, because it's like, even my

Krishna Avalon:

mother gets it. Who's 16 is like, wow. Life

Krishna Avalon:

before cell phones. Right. And social media. And

Krishna Avalon:

when I am not in nature every day, I feel it in

Krishna Avalon:

every cell in my body. When I go for my walks, as

Krishna Avalon:

you say, in the morning with my dog without my

Krishna Avalon:

phone, like, that's some of the best part of my

Krishna Avalon:

day. When I watch the sunset every night as I

Krishna Avalon:

walk my dog without my phone, even in a busy day,

Krishna Avalon:

like, that's the best part of my day. If I'm

Krishna Avalon:

struggling in some way with feeling like I'm not

Krishna Avalon:

enough, I'll go into nature. She's my reflection

Krishna Avalon:

of, like, more than enough, enough and

Krishna Avalon:

overflowing abundance. And it's just like, for

Krishna Avalon:

me, it's so simple. We're. We're nature beings.

Krishna Avalon:

And so like all of this other stuff, this modern

Krishna Avalon:

world stuff, like, I, I see it and I, I get it's,

Krishna Avalon:

you know, how cool it can be. But like, for me,

Krishna Avalon:

nature's words at. I'm guided by it. It's. It's

Krishna Avalon:

my God. Nature is God for me. So it's really the

Krishna Avalon:

most important thing.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. I mean, that's how. That's, yeah. Really

Meredith Oke:

where we're coming to. And part of why this

Meredith Oke:

podcast exists is. Yeah. To really understand

Meredith Oke:

that the more we cut ourselves off from our

Meredith Oke:

source, where we are nature, the sicker we're

Meredith Oke:

going to get in every possible way. And the more

Meredith Oke:

we. The more we reconnect with it. All of this

Meredith Oke:

healing that we're talking about is a natural. Is

Meredith Oke:

natural. So if we're connected to nature, we're

Meredith Oke:

just enhancing it.

Krishna Avalon:

Yeah. And so many of the people that come to me

Krishna Avalon:

with anxiety or with pain or trouble sleeping,

Krishna Avalon:

and they want to know what else they can do, and

Krishna Avalon:

I'm like, no, it's doing less. Turn your phone

Krishna Avalon:

off at 8pm get up and watch the sunrise. Put your

Krishna Avalon:

bare feet on the earth. Go for a walk without

Krishna Avalon:

your phone. Like, it really can be that simple.

Krishna Avalon:

Go to bed if you are tired, go to sleep. Like,

Krishna Avalon:

listen to your body. You don't need to walk the

Krishna Avalon:

data to tell you what you're doing, to check in

Krishna Avalon:

with yourself and be like, how do I feel? What do

Krishna Avalon:

I need? You know, these devices that we wear, I

Krishna Avalon:

don't wear them on the body to sleep for data,

Krishna Avalon:

It's. I don't know, it's like addictive for

Krishna Avalon:

people. Right. And, and I'm often just like, less

Krishna Avalon:

is more. Just get rid of some stuff that's

Krishna Avalon:

causing you stress and anxiety and then you'll

Krishna Avalon:

sleep and then you'll, then your belly will

Krishna Avalon:

digest better, you won't be so bloated. You're

Krishna Avalon:

not going to feel so anxious. Right. Like most of

Krishna Avalon:

what I get to teach is bringing people back into

Krishna Avalon:

their own energy and trusting their intuition,

Krishna Avalon:

trusting their body, listening to that, you know,

Krishna Avalon:

asking it what it needs, asking yourself what you

Krishna Avalon:

need instead of looking at a, a watch, an aura

Krishna Avalon:

ring or an apple watch, whatever people use.

Meredith Oke:

So yes, yes, and that's exactly it. And we're

Meredith Oke:

being pulled away from that. So I so appreciate

Meredith Oke:

your work to support us to come back into our own

Meredith Oke:

energy. I love that so much because it's there

Meredith Oke:

for all of us if we want it.

Krishna Avalon:

Exactly.

Meredith Oke:

Thank you so much for being here, Krishna. I

Meredith Oke:

really appreciate it. How can people, people find

Meredith Oke:

you?

Krishna Avalon:

Just the old fashioned way. You can just reach

Krishna Avalon:

out. Everything on the Internet is in my name.

Krishna Avalon:

You can email you, me, you can text me. I'm not

Krishna Avalon:

like always on the Internet, but I love

Krishna Avalon:

connecting. So definitely Instagram stories is

Krishna Avalon:

where I am when I love to connect or share

Krishna Avalon:

something. A lot of people for work reach out

Krishna Avalon:

through LinkedIn, but yeah, you can just email,

Krishna Avalon:

you can text.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, Wonderful. So that's krishnavalon.com and

Meredith Oke:

on Instagram and on LinkedIn. K R I S H N A

Meredith Oke:

Avalon like the mists of Avalon. Thank you.

Meredith Oke:

Thanks for being here.

Krishna Avalon:

Thank you, Meredith.

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