Episode 127

127: Dr. Stephen Hussey - Quantum Biology 101: How Light, Water, and Vibration Shape Your Health

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"The heart is not a pressure propulsion pump," says Dr. Stephen Hussey, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to challenge our conventional understanding of the heart's function and explore the fascinating world of quantum biology. Dr. Hussey explains how the heart acts as a vortex, swishing blood around to energize it and create structured water, which is crucial for optimal health and cellular function. He discusses how this new paradigm of understanding the body can explain various health issues, from heart disease to cancer, and even sheds light on the potential mechanisms behind adverse reactions to certain medical interventions.

In this eye-opening episode, Dr. Hussey delves into the importance of electromagnetic fields in our bodies, the role of structured water in maintaining cellular voltage, and how our modern environment may be interfering with these vital processes. He offers practical advice on how to support our body's natural detoxification pathways and improve overall health through simple lifestyle changes. Tune in to discover why understanding quantum biology and biophysics is crucial for optimizing our health in today's world, and learn how to harness the power of light, grounding, and circadian rhythms to enhance your wellbeing.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Optimize your environment to support health rather than relying solely on supplements or medications. Focus on sunlight exposure, grounding, avoiding EMFs, and maintaining good circadian rhythms.
2. Support heart health by promoting structured water formation in the body. This can be done through proper hydration, sunlight exposure, and reducing exposure to substances that may disrupt structured water.
3. Enhance detoxification pathways by addressing constipation, promoting sweating (through exercise or sauna use), supporting liver function with B vitamins and collagen, and improving lymphatic flow through massage.
4. Prioritize getting quality sleep to support nighttime detoxification and repair processes. Optimize melatonin production by limiting blue light exposure after sunset and maintaining consistent sleep-wake cycles.
5. Consider adopting a more efficient exercise routine, such as brief high-intensity workouts or single-set strength training to failure, rather than prolonged cardio sessions which may increase inflammation.

Memorable Quotes

"We've kind of been stuck in this biochemical world. And then when I started reading more and getting steered in the right direction, you start reading all these other ways that the body physiology operates or all the different signals that they can get. And so now we're talking about magnetism, we're talking about electricity, we're talking about light, we're talking about just different forms of energy, vibrations, sound, all these different things."
"The heart is actually a vortex. As blood moves through the heart, it is vortexed in many different ways. Whether it's moving through valves, the way that flows into the heart, the way the heart contracts in a spiral, like nature, the heart is vortexing blood."
"Health to me, one way to define health is the ability to handle a stress healthily, adapt to it and return to homeostasis. If you can't do that, there's poor health."

Connect with Dr. Stephen

Website: https://resourceyourhealth.com/

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drstephenhussey/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEHJGZ17zRDZ9rn7yYrC-bQ

Resources Mentioned

"The Heart's Code" by Paul Pearsall - https://amzn.to/4cRIzf7

"Body by Science" by Doug McGuff - https://www.drmcguff.com/

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

Doctor Stephen Hussey, welcome back.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Good to be here. Good to be back.

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Part 3. Love having you on. Okay, so let's just

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start. We, you know, we have a lot of new

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listeners to the podcast who are new, not just to

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the podcast, but to the idea of, like, what do we

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even mean by the words quantum biology,

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biophysics, bioelectricity, chronobiology, like,

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what are you all, what are you people all talking

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about and how is it different from all the other

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stuff? So let's just kick off, like if you could

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give sort of your, your high level framework, the

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paradigm that you operate out of when you think

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about humans and health and biology.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Well, I guess maybe this was intentional,

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maybe it wasn't. But there has been, I think,

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historically, maybe the last 200 years, I guess,

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this push to make humans biochemical, to

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understand humans or life in general as

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biochemistry. And I guess kind of the focus has

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been on that and it's influenced us to ignore all

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the other stimuli that happen on this planet,

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this universe. Different ways of, I guess

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signaling is what you could say, or energy usage

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or energy distribution or things like that. So,

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so I think that when we talk about medicine, we

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talk about biophysics or quantum biology, you

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know, we're talking about how humans operate and

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how that physiology works in many different ways.

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So unfortunately, because of, I think nutrition

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science and pharmaceutical science, that things

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have come down to bio biochemistry. You know,

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every medical student has biochemistry course. We

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don't have quite quantum biology courses. And so

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I remember you learn in there, you learn like,

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okay, these molecules interact with these, and

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then this step happens and this step happens and

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this step happens and it's like this linear thing

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that happens. And so that has led us to thinking

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that we can control biology or influence biology

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by taking this thing that affects a certain

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biochemical pathway. And I'll never forget having

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this realization that that was what all of

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medicine was about, because I used to work in a

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chiropractic clinic that was more or less down

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the street from Virginia Tech School of Medicine

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and Research Institute. And I would have all

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these researchers come in or medical students,

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and I'd say, what are you looking at? And they

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describe some, you know, very small biochemical

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pathway that they're investigating. And I was

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just like, oh. And it was like that. And they

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were like, I'm trying to, you know, manipulate

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this pathway so that we can make a

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pharmaceutical. And I'm just like, man, what a

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reductionist way to try and understand something

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or try and affect the body, you know, and so

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we've kind of been.

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So is it almost like that pathway was operating

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in isolation? Like, I'm just going to manipulate

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this one tiny little thing that's. But there was.

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Without acknowledging that it may be interrelated

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with everything else.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Exactly. And I like to think, yeah, and so that's

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just kind of like reductionist. And it's like how

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you're supposed to understand how something fully

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works by studying one very small piece, let alone

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one organ system or whatever. Like, because, you

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know, medicine has all these specialists and

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everything. So it's just. I was starting to think

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about that because it was repetitive. Every

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single one. I'd ask, they'd say, I'm studying

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this particular thing. And I like to talk about

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what I called. It's almost like an inform, a form

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of inherited wealth. Like, you don't like, you

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know, the. Like the scientists that are like the

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heroes of history or whatever, that discover all

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these things and these new techniques of studying

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things. You know, the scientists of today are

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just learning to stand on their shoulders and

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take the next step. But there was no humility

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gained in the process of learning that original

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information. And so the scientists today just

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take the next step. And they don't think about

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the context of what that means for either the

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entire organism they're studying or the universe

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itself or all life on the planet. They're just

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looking at it in these very simple ways because

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we've got this technology to do that. And

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research is largely funded by people with

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interests that want to identify this pathway that

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you can do something. So we're stuck in this

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biochemical world. And then when I started

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reading more and getting steered in the right

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direction, you start reading all these other ways

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that the body physiology operates or all the

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different signals that they can get. And so now

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we're talking about magnetism, we're talking

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about electricity, we're talking about light,

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we're talking about just different forms of

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energy, vibrations, sound, all these different

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things. And you start to realize that all of them

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influence our physiology. And so we can't just

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say, take a supplement or take a medication or

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just eat food, really, and expect that

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biochemistry to dictate how our entire physiology

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is working. And so you look at deeper levels of

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things and you start to see that, oh, the

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mitochondria are emitting light, they're emitting

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different forms of energy, and they communicate

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cell to cell, like. And they create

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electromagnetic field, and then a bunch of

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mitochondria create a bigger electromagnetic

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field, and then a bunch of mitochondria in a

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tissue create a bigger one. And that's why we

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have electromagnetic fields in the body. And

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that's my. It's almost like how I'm reaching out

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into my environment and communicating with it.

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And then you see all the effects of just sunlight

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on the skin or in the eyes and all the physiology

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that that drives. And. And you're like, wow, this

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is way more than just food. And it explains why

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you know, people. The idea about health is like,

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okay, diet and exercise, that's what keeps you

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healthy. And the statistics show that more people

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are exercising more and eating more whole foods

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or better diets. Despite what, you know, this

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epidemic of heart disease, people. More people

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are trying to do that, but it's not working

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right. We still have this epidemic disease

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because we're ignoring all this physiology. And

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the other aspect is, is that there's an. There's

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a certain part of this that I. Or there's a

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certain level of this I don't think we'll ever

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fully understand. And I think that makes us. Or

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it forces us to be humble about this. And instead

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of trying to master the human body and study it

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and change it, you know, manipulate it, that kind

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of thing, with this biochemistry, we kind of have

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to step back and be like, whoa. We just have to

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put ourselves in the right environment and let

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the body figure it out. Because, you know, in

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mathematics, if you study the way two things

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interact with each other, you can predict the way

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those two things are going to interact. But if

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you get a third thing, it becomes harder. If you

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get a fourth thing and how four things are

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interacting, that becomes harder. You get 100

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things, it becomes impossible. And then that's

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exactly how the body works. There's no lock and

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key mechanism that this happens and this happens

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and this happens and this happens. It's like

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something happens and then a hundred other things

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happen at the same time. So they call it

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nonlinear reactions. And that's going to be

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impossible to predict or control. So it forces

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you. When you study quantum biology or

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biophysics, it forces you to say, okay, I need to

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put my body in the right environment of those

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physics and the right stimuli, and then trust

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that the body is going to do the right thing. We

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just have to figure out what that environment is

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and study how the environments have changed and

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made it the wrong environment over the last

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however many years. You want to say.

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Right. So when we think about the idea of, oh,

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just take this pill, There may be situations

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where taking medication is obviously needed or

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helpful, but the idea that you can take an

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exogenous substance and put it into the body

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without thinking about the environment that that

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body is in. And the only response you're going to

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have is the one that you want. Seems kind of

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crazy.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or that there's not going to be side

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effects or it's not going to affect other

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physiology that you weren't even expecting. I

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mean, in pharmaceutical science, they admit that

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they're like, well, we were studying, trying to

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make this effect and we saw the drug had this

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effect, so we just use it for this instead.

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Right.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: You know, they weren't, they don't know. Like

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there's, there's all these unaccounted for

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things. The things we can never, never really

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figure out.

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Right. And the one that's coming to my mind,

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because there's a lot of discussion on this topic

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right now on social media is our SSRIs or

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prescription medication for mental health. Right.

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And you have people on there swearing that it

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changed their lives. And then you have people on

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there saying that it made them suicidal and it's

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the same. Right. Like they took the same thing.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

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So, you know, how can you predict what the

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outcome is going to be if. And it. Part of. I

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guess what we're missing is like, what else is

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going on for those people? It's not, they're not,

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you know, in terms of what could affect the

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consequence that that drug is going to have in

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their body.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or even supplement. You know, I just

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recently posted something about melatonin on

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social media showing that it can stabilize plaque

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and prevent plaque from rupturing. And somebody

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on there was just like, well, we have to

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supplement with it. Like, even though I was

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saying, like, no, we need to, like, optimize

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mitochondrial function and we need to set

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circadian rhythm. That's how we get optimal

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melatonin. And they were like, well, as we age,

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your melatonin production declines. And I was

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just questioning them. Like, well, you know,

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that's probably true, but it's probably going to

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decline a lot more if we're in this environment

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that is not suitable or not hospitable to our

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physiology. So we have to change the environment

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too. We can't just take this thing and say, oh,

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because I need more of it because it's declining

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as I age. It's like, we also need to optimize the

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environment. And so it's like, if we're, if

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we're, if the message is, oh, just take more of

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this, that's the wrong message. Like, you can use

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supplements to Supplement your lifestyle. But you

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have to tell the person about how to optimize the

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lifestyle too, because I mean, there's pretty

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clear in the research that, you know, melatonin

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acts like as an antioxidant, but endogenous

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melatonin production is way better than

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exogenous, meaning taking it as a supplement. So

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as far as antioxidant, so that who knows what

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else that's better as better at when we put

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produce it inside our bodies and get ourselves in

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the right environment. Plus the process of

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creating that environment for just optimizing

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melatonin is doing so many other beneficial

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things for you. So it's not reductionist now. Now

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we're getting all the benefits rather than just

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saying, oh, I'm doing this for this one thing.

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No, you're doing it for everything, for every

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single hormone. And that's kind of the message we

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need to be giving people. And then here and

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there, yes, we can selectively say, okay, let's

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support you with this supplement or that

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supplement, but if you don't get the environment

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right, those things aren't going to work as well

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anyways.

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Right. And then the, like the cascade effect of

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optimizing your environment is a beneficial

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cascade as opposed to a cascade of side effects.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or unpredictable things.

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Okay, so let's get into the heart, which is an

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area of focus for you. You've written a book on

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it and we talked about it a little bit in our

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first interview. So let's circle back to what

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your, you know, your take on the heart is in

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terms of it. Our common understanding is that

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it's a pump. You have a different point of view

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and then you've also gone down even into like

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some deeper layers of how you see the heart in

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terms of our overall biology and perhaps biofield.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, I mean, the term like

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the heart is not a pump is thrown around a lot

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these days, made pretty famous by Tom Cowan. And

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I don't necessarily agree that it's not a pump

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per se, but it's definitely not a pressure

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propulsion pump, which is what it's thought that

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it is. Like it's sucking in blood from somewhere

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and then forcefully pumping out somewhere else.

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That's not how the heart works. And there's a ton

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of literature mainly. I mean, the best source for

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most of that literature is Dr. Franco first book,

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the Heart in Circulation. But yeah, so it's first

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of all, if you just look at the heart and the

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size of it, and there were studies way back in

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the 17, 1800s that were when the original

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circulation of the heart was being described or

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circulation of blood was being described, that

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cast a doubt on the idea that the heart of this

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size could forcefully pump all the blood around

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the body and, and do that efficiently. And

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there's modern day studies that show that if we

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look at the heart as a pressure propulsion pump,

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it's about 30% efficient, which if you believe we

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were designed or evolved or whatever, that's not

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an efficient way to do something. So it must not

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be its job or suggest that maybe it's not. Its

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job is to forcefully move blood. And so there's

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evidence with structured water and how blood

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moves in other ways. Paramagnetism, electrostatic

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properties, there's ways that blood moves through

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the body that they don't require this pressure

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propulsion pump. And they've actually shown in

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Dr. Pollock's lab that when they stop the heart

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of a chick embryo, the blood continues to move.

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And they can create more movement in blood if

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they shine infrared light on the arteries. And

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they showed that too. Back in the 1940s and the

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1960s, there were experiments done on dogs where

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they stopped the heart and the blood continued to

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move for up to two hours after the heart stopped

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beating. So there's definitely a lot of evidence

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to suggest that blood has other ways to move. And

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so that begs the question of what is the heart,

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why is it there, what is it doing? And the first

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thing that it's doing is that it's actually a

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vortex. I just read an 800 page book about the

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heart's vortex and it was hard to get through

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because it was very, very scientific, even lots

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of parts above my head. But yeah, it's definitely

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well recognized in the literature that as blood

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moves through the heart, it is vortexed in many

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different ways. Whether it's moving through

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valves, the way that flows into the heart, the

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way the heart contracts in a spiral, like nature,

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like the heart is vortexing blood. And the reason

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it's doing that is because of new vortex water,

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which the blood is half water in the presence of

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oxygen, which oxygen is always present in blood,

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then it will become energized, it will become

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more likely to become structured water when it

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gets into the lining of the arteries. And when it

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becomes structured water on the lining of the

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arteries, that's what propels blood flow, that's

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what keeps blood moving. So in a way, the heart

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is responsible for blood flow in that way, but

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just in a very indirect way. So that's one

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purpose of the heart, is that it's kind of

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swishing the blood around, which is the way water

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is in nature. It's always moving and being

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swished around. It's crashing on the beach, it's

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rolling over rocks and rivers. It's evaporated,

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precipitating, it's moving. And when water gets

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stagnant in nature, like in a puddle or a pond,

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it's kind of gross. Right. And so to keep things

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clean and moving, we have to. We have to keep it

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moving. But in laminar tubes, that doesn't do the

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swishing around. Right. It kind of keeps things

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moving linearly, and that can create less

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energized water. So why is there this thing

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placed right in the middle of the arterial and

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venous circulation that swishes blood around?

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Because we need it to be swished around. And

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that's one role of the heart. Right. So, I mean,

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again, like, if there was a pressure propulsion

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pump, we wouldn't. Like, if you want to pump

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water up a hill, you put the pump at the bottom

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of the hill. So if we want to pump water from our

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blood, from our feet to our head or whatever, we

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put the pump at the bottom. But the. Our heart's

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in the middle of everything, so it doesn't make

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sense for it to be there if it was a true

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pressure propulsion pump. So, yeah, there's other

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mechanisms of blood movement, and the heart is

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vortexing. And there's interesting studies that

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show that when you increase the blood flow,

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artificially increased blood flow, that the heart

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actually just. The valves just kind of open and

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let it kind of go through. And so we're not

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talking about cardiac output, like the cart, the

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heart is pumping out this fluid. It's more like

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cardiac throughput, like the amount that's moving

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through and they've increased the heart rate or

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the artificially increased heart rate of the

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heart and how much it's contracting. And the

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blood flow stayed the same, like the amount of

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blood moving through stayed the same because it's

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just how fast it's contracting, it's not how fast

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it's pumping. If you want to increase blood flow,

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then you increase the cardiac throughput and how

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much is moving through it. So interesting. So

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that's the first role.

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So is that why exercise is so good? We're

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increasing that blood flow or infrared saunas or

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what's happening to our blood when we move and.

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And move and expose ourselves to healthy light?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of reasons why

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those things are good, but one is, yes, you're

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like, you're increasing tissue demand for blood.

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And the tissue demand is what drives blood flow.

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You know, if there's areas like if your tissues

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start using up certain nutrients or oxygen or

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whatever, then the concentration gradient of

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those things and the tissues drops and the blood

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is drawn to it because, you know, areas of high

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concentration flow to areas of low concentration.

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So if you deplete the tissues, the blood will

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want to go into the tissues more. So that's

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what's driving blood flow. And the heart is just

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catching up. It's just keeping pace with how much

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blood is moving. So yes, if you increase blood

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flow by sitting in an infrared sauna because

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you're building structures, water and lining the

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arteries, increasing blood flow. Yes, your heart

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rate will increase. If I go sit in the sun, my

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heart rate will increase, not drastically because

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I'm not creating a huge tissue demand because I'm

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not exercising, but it'll increase because I'm

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increasing blood flow. And the heart's just

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trying to catch up. It's trying to energize or

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structure that blood as it moves through there as

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more blood is moving through the heart.

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So what's happening if someone is out of shape or

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not? Well, and they get out of breath very

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easily, or their heart pumps really fast, really

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quickly, even with minimum exertion. What's going

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on with that?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: That's more like they're having trouble adapting

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to stress, which exercise is a stress. So then

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they start to try and exercise and their body

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goes into an acute stress response, which is an

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adrenaline response. And so when you're doing

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that, you're telling your body we're in danger.

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And so that's kind of this old evolved response.

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And so that's having more of like a hormone

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effect, signaling effect. Like your body's going

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through this thing that it is not used to doing.

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And it's like, something must be wrong. We must

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have a stress response. So if they can't handle

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that stress and return to normal, return to

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homeostasis. That's poor health. Right. So

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health. To me, one way to define health is the

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ability to handle a stress healthily, adapt to it

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and return to homeostasis. If you can't do that,

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there's, there's poor health. So you could talk

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about that as simple as a high glucose meal. You

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know, can you handle that glucose meal, adapt to

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it, use that glucose properly through insulin

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signaling and then, and then return to

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homeostasis. Normally if you can't, that's type 2

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diabetes. You know, if you can go, you know,

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sprint 50 yards. And you can handle that and your

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body figures it out and then you can return to

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homeostasis within a normal amount of time.

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That's more healthy than someone who can't do

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that. So that's more of like a stress response.

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That's really interesting because we think about

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it as, as being unfit, but the lack. What we're.

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But what you're saying is unfit is our body's

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inability to handle these different states.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, I'd say it's almost like a shock to the

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body to do that when you've never trained it to

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do it, you know, or haven't trained to do it for

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a long time. And so the body's having a response

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that's having a stress response. It thinks it's

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under threat almost.

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Right. So just one more thing on this, because I

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heard, I think it was, it was Dave Asprey

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actually, and he was saying that what he, what

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he's come to in his understanding is that this,

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the high intensity things that we do where we

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like go really hard and then rest and then go

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really hard and then rest is actually maladaptive

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because in evolutionary we would go really hard

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and then we'd be out of danger and we'd, we

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wouldn't keep doing it over and over. So his

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recommendation was more just like, sprint really

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fast one time instead of over and over and then

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let your body recover. What are your thoughts?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: I mean, I, I don't know what our ancestors did

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exactly. You could theorize, you know, but they

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may have had to sprint a few different times if

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they were on a hunt, you know, a few different 50

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yard sprints or something like that. But yeah, it

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wasn't excessive. I mean, once they caught the

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meal or didn't catch the meal, they're like, all

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right, I gotta recover. Especially if they didn't

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catch the meal, they really gotta recover because

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they're not getting any, any nutrients to replace

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or whatever. But I would tend to agree with them

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that you could probably get the same benefits

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with one sprint. You know, there's really good

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evidence that we're spending way too much time

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working out. You know, I, for the last two years

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now, I've been like, when I do lift weights, I

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just do one set to failure. I do a push exercise,

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a pull exercise and a leg exercise to failure.

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And I have maintained and gained muscle from

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doing that. So I'm like in there for 15 minutes.

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I almost feel guilty, you know.

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Wow. So when you say to failure, it's like you

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just do it till you can't do it anymore. And then

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you stop.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, you really have to push. Like, it's. At

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first, it's hard to learn to go to failure.

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You're kind of like, oh, I'm tired. It's like,

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no, not tired. Like, you need to go to where.

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You, like, you literally can't move the thing

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even, Right.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: You have to. You know, if you're lifting weights,

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you gotta be careful with that. You gotta make

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sure that it's like a machine or something, or

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you're really safely set up on a squat or

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something like that. Cause it's kind of intense

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to go to failure with those types of lifts. But,

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yeah, it's more efficient. I want to buy a weight

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set for my garage and do it so I can open the

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garage and work an outdoor light. But it's like,

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I can't justify buying that expensive of a thing

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if I'm in there for 15 minutes twice a week. So,

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yeah, I just go to the gym. But yeah, and then

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other forms of exercise are good too, but you can

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get the same benefits. So doing that kind of

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stuff so it makes sense, like, you challenge the

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tissue, you tell it wasn't good enough, and it

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rebuilds stronger.

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Right? I've heard that story. I mean, I hear that

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story from everyone who has adopted a sort of

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quantum circadian lifestyle that they just don't

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exercise as much and they're in better shape.

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Like, they still exercise. I'm not saying they

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don't, but this idea that maxing out on the

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hardcore exercise is the only way just doesn't

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seem to be the case.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: And it's kind of a misnomer of like, doing

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cardio, you know, because, I mean, cardio, like

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getting your heart rate up and, and. But even

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just walking or whatever is. Is good for you, but

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more cardio is not good for you. Like, if you do

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like super long endurance type stuff, that is.

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That is not healthy, in my opinion. It causes

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more inflammation because again, we're. We're

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putting ourselves in that stress state for too

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long. And there's people that argue that we're

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born to run. There's a book about it even. But if

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you look at lots of studies, especially

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cardiovascularly, people who've run more long

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endurance races have more scar tissue in the

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heart, they have more atherosclerosis because

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they're just in this higher inflamed state. And

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people argue, well, were these people on

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carbohydrate diets? And maybe they were, maybe

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they weren't. But regardless, the response to

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exercise is a hormetic stress. It's an

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inflammatory thing. And so you want to do. It's

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like there's a Goldilocks amount. You want to do

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enough of it to tell your body to get better and

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adapt to a stress better, but not overdo it. And

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I think that we've kind of overdone it or we've

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been programmed to overdo it if we don't get to

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the gym, you know. But Dave Asprey's one to say

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that, like back when he was unhealthy, he was

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like, man, I was in the gym all the time and I

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was just still super unhealthy. It wasn't

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working. He was probably making it worse at that

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point by inflaming the body without being able to

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adapt to it, because there's other things he had

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wrong about his environment that were wrong. So,

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yeah, it's interesting, but you can get very

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efficient exercise done in a very quick amount of

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time that's just as effective. And the book Body

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by Science by Doug McGuff, he's been doing that

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for 30 years in his clinic, helping people

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maintain muscle mass in that way. And he's got

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all the stats and data to show it.

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Oh, cool. We'll have to link to that book. We've

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talked about the heart in terms of the new

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paradigm function of the heart, which is as a

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vortex. We have the blood circulating through

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various mechanisms, not necessarily being pumped.

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The heart is a vortex that swishes it around,

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keep it fresh. Like the same way we want our

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spring water bubbling over the rocks and not

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sitting in a stagnant pond. Tell me about where

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you're at with the, say more esoteric meanings

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and importance of the heart.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, well, if you look at like every single

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ancient cultures, like writings about the heart,

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whether it's ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Indian,

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Chinese, even Egyptian, they, they all describe

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the heart as. I forget which one it is. I think

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it's Chinese that tastes the orchestrator of the

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body. And they, they describe it as like almost

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the seat of the soul. You know, this is the

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understanding. And it wasn't like all these

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ancient civilizations were all talking to each

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other, had the same thinking or philosophies. But

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they all came to that conclusion and so they were

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right. You know, I think that every organ has an

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electromagnetic field. It gives off. But the

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hearts is the largest, which we'll get to. But

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they felt that, I think they didn't necessarily

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have to have any concrete proof or measure

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anything. They just. That's what they felt. And,

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you know, there's a reason that we, I think,

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associate the heart with our emotional state. And

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we say, I love you with all my heart. And we say,

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I gave it all my heart. You know, you can put

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your mind to something, but when it comes to

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emotion, you're usually talking about your heart,

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not your kidneys or whatever. And so I don't

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think that's by mistake. However, in this really

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interesting story, it was King Charles, I think

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it was. So there was this Irish nobleman who had

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fallen and injured himself, and he. And it, like,

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broke ribs and they kind of broke apart and it

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abscessed. And it healed, though, but it healed

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in a way that his heart was visible, you know,

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and there was no, like, you know, open wound or

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anything. Like, it healed, but it healed. Like

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you could see his heart. And so he became like

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this guy that traveled around and, like, charged

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money for people to see his heart beating and

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stuff like this. Anyways, he was near London and.

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Or near wherever the king was in England. And the

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king heard about it and he told William Harvey,

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who. William Harvey is a very famous physician

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because he was the original person that described

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the circulation of the blood. That's what he's

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known for. He wrote Dumotu Cordis, which is the

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book that describes that. And he was the king's

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personal physician at the time. And he said. He

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said, find that guy and bring him here. We want

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to see this. And so they brought him in and they.

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And they go and they examine the heart. And

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William Harvey notes that, you know, he was able

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to feel the. The man's heart and feel it beating

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and right there. And he said, with no offense to

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this man, so. Meaning that. That the guy couldn't

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feel it. Like you're touching the organ and he

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couldn't feel it. You could feel, like the

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outside you're touching him, but he couldn't feel

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when you touched him inside. So he said it kind

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of led to this idea that the heart has no senses.

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There's no, like, no feeling, you know, combined

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with the fact that Harvey also described the

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mechanical circulation of the blood in the body

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and saw the heart as kind of this pump that was

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driving that circulation. That's when I forget

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when this was. I think it was like 1600s or

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something. I don't know. That's within. The idea

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started to move away from the heart being this

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seed of the soul and, you know, I guess sensor of

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our emotions and things like that, more toward

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this mechanical organ. And that's kind of taken

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Off. And then now we're coming back full circle

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with the work of Roland McCready and the

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HeartMath Institute. And we're finding out that

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the heart does have this very large

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electromagnetic field that allows it to touch or

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sense not only our external environment, but also

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kind of orchestrate or sync up the entire

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internal environment, all the other organs. So

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all the other organs, electromagnetic fields are

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being sort of aligned with how the heart's

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electromagnetic field and what it's feeling. And

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then the most fascinating thing is that we've

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also got studies now that we've, we've I guess

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developed the ability to do heart transplants is

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that there are studies that show that, that

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recipients of a heart transplant tend to take on

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characteristics or personality traits of the

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donor. So there's something about the emotion or

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personality or something that is stored in the

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heart and maybe, maybe all organs as well. But

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since the heart has the biggest electromagnetic

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field, like what they do is they. They interview

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the people in the donor's life and they interview

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people in the recipient's life and the recipient

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themselves. And they find that anything from like

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preferences in music, art, sexual preferences,

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career preferences tend to show up in the

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recipient from what the donors were that were

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different than before. So it's fascinating.

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There's way more to like memory and to our

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tissues and probably stored in structured water

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in the body. But when you transfer it to somebody

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else, it can change them a little bit. So I think

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that the ancients were onto something in that

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this was the seed of the soul. This kind of made

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us who we are, where lots of our personality was

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stored or emotional personality was stored maybe.

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And so it's very interesting. That's the, that's

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the third role of the heart. I mean, we've all

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been heartbroken, you know, and there's actually

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a disease that can happen when you become

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heartbroken. It's called Takatsubo

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cardiomyopathy, which is basically broken heart

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syndrome. You develop heart failure because

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you're broken hearted due to extreme emotional

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states. And there's mechanisms of heart attacks

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that can happen due to imbalanced stress

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signaling to the heart. Emotional stress

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signaling can trigger a heart attack if you get

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into the right situation. And I've talked about

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that in other places and I talk about that in my

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book too. So there's this extreme emotional

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connection to this organ. And so I think that it

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is what allows us to a create what they call

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coherence or unfortunately convey incoherence.

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And so we talk about, from a quantum aspect of

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Things and quantum biology and how the body

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works. We're talking about interbody

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communication and how our body communicates

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externally to the environment. And it doesn't do

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that through biochemistry. It does that through

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biophysics. It does that through the fascia

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system in our body is conducting information and

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electrons and protons all throughout our body.

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And the mitochondria are communicating

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electromagnetically as well as through light

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signaling and reactive oxygen species signaling

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and quantum entanglement. When two molecules get

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entangled and they separate and they're still

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communicating from a distance, all those things.

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And then the heart's electromagnetic field is

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kind of like sensing all that or monitoring all

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that and picking up your level of interbody

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coherence, interbody communication that's

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happening and it's sensing that, and it's

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conveying that information to the brain. And we

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have evidence that it conveys that

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electromagnetically as well as neurologically

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through nerves. And there's more signals from the

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heart to the brain. And then the brain is picking

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up the messages. The brain is always just an

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interpretation center, sensing our. Or like

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picking up all the information that we're sensing

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from our environment, interpreting it, and then

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relaying it to the body so that it can have the

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appropriate response. But the sensory information

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or the emotional sensory information is coming

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from the heart to the brain. And so then the

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brain responds accordingly. And so it's. It's a

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very important role because if you think about

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senses and what the senses allow us to do, they

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allow us to interact and respond to our

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environment. And a species or an individual that

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cannot interact or respond to his environment

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doesn't last very long. And so because it can't

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change, it can't react to it, get out of harm's

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way or whatever. And so that's a very, very

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important role for the heart and it's especially

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important for humans because we have this unique

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ability to worry and think about things in a way

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that other species can't because of how large our

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prefrontal cortex is. I'm not saying that other

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species don't, but we have a cognitive ability

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that's much higher. We're, as far as I know, the

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only species that can think our way into a stress

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response just by overthinking something or seeing

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something happen to somebody else and then

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feeling like, fearing it's going to happen to us,

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you know, or seeing something happen halfway

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across the world that doesn't affect our life at

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all, but stress being stressed about it, you

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know, and that's one of the issues with, with

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Media and being able to, you know, information

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being pumped all over the world, is that our

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physiology is not necessarily designed to handle

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all that. But yeah, it's, it's, it's fascinating

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when you, when you dig into that and you also

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realize that this organ is what allows us to

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connect to others. And heart coherence, like

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someone who's incoherent is able to. Is able to

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relate and connect to others in a more healthy

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way. And someone who's incoherent feels like

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they're on their own, they're isolated. You know,

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if you can't reach out and touch and feel the

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things around you and the people and the living

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things around you, you feel isolated. It's like

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alone in a crowded room sort of thing. And it's

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what we describe with people who have depression.

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They kind of become isolated, they feel isolated.

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Even if they have people around them, they can't

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reach out and feel them. And it's because they

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have this incoherence. And that could be from a

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lot of different things, from past traumas that

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people have, or physical or emotional traumas or

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just poor mitochondrial health. I mean, we think

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about what Chris Palmer's doing with low carb

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diets and fixing people's mental health by

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changing their mitochondrial health. And there's

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probably way more they could do as well as diet.

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But we're seeing the impact that they're having

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because we're changing their mitochondria,

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increasing their body communication. Their

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heart's picking up on that. It's conveying to the

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brain. We're getting more coherent signals, and

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the person is now interacting with the

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environment more. And then maybe I've said a lot

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of things, but the most fascinating thing I

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think, is that it appears that this very large

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electromagnetic field that is being created by

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the heart is a result of the fact that a, there's

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a lot of mitochondria concentrated in the heart.

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It's one of the tissues with the highest density.

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The brain, the eyes, the heart have very high

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amounts of mitochondria. And like I briefly

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mentioned before, the mitochondria are creating

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electromagnetic field. And you concentrate a lot

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of mitochondria in an area that get a bigger

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electromagnetic field. But the brains are similar

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mitochondrial content to the heart. So why is the

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heart so much bigger? It's because the heart is

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spinning like this. And when you vortex or spiral

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electromagnetic field, it amplifies the field

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significantly. And so it's the only organ in the

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body, aside from the lungs, that is moving. And

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it's moving in a way that spins. So it's creating

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a toroidal force. This is just amplifying this

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field and that's why. And so if you get someone

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with heart failure and the heart is not

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contracting like this and the spinning nature, it

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starts to become like a basketball and it's doing

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this, their field significantly drops and that's

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a problem. Right. Also the poor mitochondrial

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function in people with heart failure too, that's

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one of the causes. So we're starting to

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understand the symptoms these people are having.

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They're getting lack of blood flow. There's more

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likely to be depressed when you get heart

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failure. And there's debate about whether that's

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because they have heart failure that's not

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improving or because I would say that the

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coherence is interfered with because

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electromagnetic field is smaller. But the

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electromagnetic field and the torsion seem to be

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coupled together. So we don't know which one's

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creating which because there's evidence that a

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torsional field will create an electromagnetic

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field, an electromagnetic field will create

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torsion. So I don't know which one it is. They're

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very coupled together. If you mess with one, the

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other's probably going to be off. But it's a very

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kind of delicate system that's put together and

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lots of things about our modern day environment

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are affecting that. Like my go tos for people

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with arrhythmias and heart failure are EMF

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environment. Past trauma could be as simple as

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just low electrolytes and then oh gosh, what's

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the fourth one? Circadian rhythm. So like all

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those different things, those four things, like

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you have to set those things and create coherence

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for the heart to get back online, whether it's

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arrhythmia or heart failure.

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So much to think about and so interesting too

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about the magnetic field of the heart because we

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hear about that a lot, but it's because of the

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motion. And for example, I know in my work as a

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coach, if I'm supporting someone to start a new

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business or create a new offer, if their heart's

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not in it, if it's like a purely mental

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construct, I know it's not going to work. And

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I've. And it's interesting because you're now

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giving me the scientific reason why. Right.

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Because the, what we put out in the world is

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coming emanating from us. And if our heart's not

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in it, it's not. There's no field like the, the

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possibility to entangle is reduced, would you say?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, the ability to Reach out into your

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environment and sense things is reduced. And if

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you can't sense your environment, how can you

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make educated decisions? But I just thought of

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this when you were talking. Think about it. If we

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see something stressful or we see something that

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may be a threat, our heart rate increases. And

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the traditional, I guess, thinking about that is

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that you're trying to deliver nutrients to

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tissues in case you need to run away. You know,

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you need to supply those tissues with nutrients,

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oxygen, whatever. And that, that's interesting.

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That could be. But it could also serve us in that

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if we increase the heart rate, we're increasing

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the, you know, contraction of the heart in this

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spiral nature, which may be amplifying the field

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more, which means we're becoming hyper aware of

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our environment, we're reaching out further and

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we're like, hey, let's sense the environment,

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let's keep ourselves safe. So there's more than

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just this biochemical reason why we would have a

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stress response. Right. It's putting us on high

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alert in many different ways.

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Absolutely. And then similar to that, but a

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different situation would be if, like, I just

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started a new type of meditation and I noticed

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that I have a much higher alertness after, like

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that. The way you just described it, when we

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sense danger, all of a sudden it's heightened.

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But we can also get there other ways which would

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make sense if the meditation is creating

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coherence.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, you're coming back into your heart space.

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People would say, right, and if you're coming

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back into your heart space, you become more aware

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of things that you were distracted from by your

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mind. Because there was this even like in ancient

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Roman or ancient Greek philosophers, there was

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kind of this divide. Like some of them thought

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that, you know, the heart was the seed of the

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soul. And then they were starting to say, maybe

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it's the mind. Because they were, I think they

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were probably becoming a bit arrogant about

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knowledge they were gaining because it was a time

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when lots of knowledge was gained potentially. I

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don't know, but they were coming toward the mind.

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And so coming back into your heart space, you,

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you learn to interact with the environment. You

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notice more things about your environment than

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you would if you were just in your mind. You were

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only thinking about what your mind and what your,

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what your senses. You know, like you're seeing in

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front of you right then and there. Rather than

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coming back into a more reflective state and

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noticing things and what that means and that kind

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of stuff.

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It'S having intuitions and.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, because then, like, if you think about it,

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if you're stuck in your mind, you're stuck in the

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present, you know, but if we talk about, if we

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talk about the heart being what accesses, you

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know, you know, your, the ether around you. And

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if everything, all consciousness is stored in the

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ether, then of course you're reflecting about,

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you know, past, present, intuition. You're

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getting all these different information from

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time. That's not right now like being distracted

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by right now, you know, because it's the organ

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that allows us to connect to that. So. Or if

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you're reaching out to someone else with your

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heart rather than with your mind and trying to

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force them to do something, but you're reaching

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out with your heart, you're probably going to

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learn a lot more about them and understand them a

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lot better because you're reaching with that

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heart which allows you to see not just what

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you're seeing, the behavior you're seeing in them

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right now, but probably a lot more information

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about them from their past or whatever. It opens

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you up to seeing those types of things.

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So cool. I love these conversations and it's, you

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know what I love too is that like I've been

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contemplating these ideas for a while and I

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always was like, okay, I have to go to the woo

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Woo people and everything that most of the things

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they say make sense and feel true. But it didn't.

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But then the science people would be.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Like, no, no, no.

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And now it's just like open season everything.

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Like the looking at life through the idea of

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physics is just like a whole new, we're in a

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whole new paradigm, a whole new world. Like all

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of these things just make sense.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And that's the thing is that like, and you

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stuck, you're stuck in the science world, the

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biochemical science world. Everybody's just

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trying to prove that different biochemical

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equations are more, more important or prove this

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or prove that. Whereas when you get into this

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space, there's a lot of science, right? And we

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see a lot of science and we're saying but they

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were also like, but we know that's true, you

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know, because we feel that, you know, we, that

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science just explained that we're like, yeah,

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that makes total sense because I felt that before.

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It's funny when I talk to people like from the,

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from, from the woo world or the energy space and

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I give them like the, you know, two, two line

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explanation of quantum biology and say, you know,

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like it's showing or proving that there are

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quantum effects happening inside living systems.

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They, oh, the, the woo woo people are always

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like, people didn't know that.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: They lost touch with it because they're living in

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this is news.

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Like, they just, like they're just looking at me

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like, well, of course that's how it works. Like,

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who doubted that? Like, well, yeah, everybody

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else. Okay, so I want to wrap up on a topic

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that's a little bit tricky, but I think really

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worth talking about and helpful to talk about.

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You sort of framed your, your take on biology for

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us at the beginning has, has a lot to do with the

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structured water in our bodies and interbody

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communication and how, you know what, obviously

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what we put in our body is having an effect from.

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Through this paradigm is having an effect beyond

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what you would anticipate through a biochemical

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model. Okay, now we are talking. It's 20, 25. A

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few years ago there was a mass rollout of a new

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pharmaceutical product that was injected into

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many, many millions of people's bodies. And as

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we've been learning over the last few years, of

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course had a cascade effect that was

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unanticipated because they're working out of a

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old fashioned model of biology. However, that the

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effects of those injections are still, you know,

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we're still grappling with them. Some of the

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effects were immediate, some of them were a

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little longer term. So we're a few years out from

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the major rollout now. And I know that you're

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very well versed and very well researched on this

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topic. So I just wanted to hear where you think

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we're at, what you think is going on with those

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products and for people who took them, if there's

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anything that they can do.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, well, I have kind of been like, I had been

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kind of loosely aware of these things and just

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like kind of paying attention to them and keeping

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up with, you know, the, the news and stuff was

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coming out and. But I was reading a book by

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Gilbert Ling, I don't remember which one of his

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books I was reading, but he was talking about an

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experiment that he did and he was using ethylene

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glycol to inject into cells. For some reason, and

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I can't remember the reason because I was so

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blown away. I was like, ethylene glycol. I was

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like, I know that substance. And then I was like,

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I think that's in these injections. So I went and

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looked it up and in fact, in two of the brands,

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polyethylene glycol was in them. And polyethylene

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glycol is by definition just a string of ethylene

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glycols. They've Put.

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Which is what for us?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, ethylene glycol, I think actually

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polyethylene glycol is like antifreeze. Oh, yeah.

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So if you sprayed it on your frozen car window,

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it would melt it. Or you. You put it to something

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if you don't want it to freeze.

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Yeah, but isn't that the stuff. They're like,

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careful while you put this. So your dog doesn't

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get it because it's toxic.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, definitely.

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Okay.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And, you know, there's polyethylene glycol

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in a lot of different products that we. That

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people, maybe not you and I, I don't know,

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consume on, on a regular basis. It can be in,

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like, toothpaste, it can be in a lot of different

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things. But however, when you ingest it, it

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doesn't seem to be that much of an issue. Your

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body seems to get rid of it pretty easily. It has

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the mechanisms that just get rid of it. Even if

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you absorb some of it in your liver, gets rid of

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it pretty easily in those small amounts anyways.

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However, if you inject it and go past those

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barriers that use to eliminate it, that can cause

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a problem. So anyways, what Dr. Ling found was

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that he was injecting it. And again, I don't

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remember why he was doing this in his experiment,

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but he would inject it into a cell, the ethylene

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glycol. And at first he saw the cell would start

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to shrink a little bit. Just like very briefly,

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it would shrink, and then it would just all of a

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sudden start to expand. Like, the CE would get

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huge. So if we think about what's in the cell, a

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cell is largely. What largely fills the cell is

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structured water. And so structured water is. So,

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like, when you take water and you freeze it, it

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becomes less dense, or so it just expands. Ice

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expands. That's why if you put. If you freeze

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water in a glass bottle, it'll break the bottle.

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Right. However, structured water is actually more

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dense. So it kind of shrinks. So if we get liquid

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water, the space that the water is becomes more

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dense. Right. And so that's what a cell is. Is

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this. This more dense structure water or a large

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portion of the cell is this more dense,

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structured water? And then he injected

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polyethylene glycol into it, and he saw at first,

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like this, very momentarily shrinking and then

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just expanding. Right. So what was happening is

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that the structured water was being destroyed and

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it was going back to liquid water, which means no

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more area. Like, it creates bigger. So basically,

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ethylene glycol was destroying structured water.

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And that's what he found, that it interfered with

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structured water's ability to form. So you take

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that and you realize that here it is in these

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injections.

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And then, okay, sorry, I just want to make sure I

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have it. So the cell is made of structured water.

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Gilbert Ling did experiments for unknown reasons

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that don't matter, but he put this ingredient

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into the cell and it damaged the structured water.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yes, like it broke it up and it turned, it went

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back to liquid water because there's liquid water

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in the cell.

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So it like pulled it out of the fourth phase and

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put it back into regular water, right?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, it caused a phase transition. Right. You

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know.

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Okay.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Away from fourth phase back to liquid water. And

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that created this swelling of the cells, which is

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exactly what happens when we get swelling in our

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tissue. Right. If you, if your tissue swells,

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it's because there's a damage. The status quo is

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damaged. It can't maintain structured water. And

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we start to get the swelling of the tissue while

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this healing response happens. And there's also

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blood flow increases to the area and lots of

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things happen to try and heal it. But that's one

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reason that we get swelling. So anyways, so then

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I was like, oh, well, that's interesting. So now

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we can understand that there's a certain

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ingredient. And then there's also Polysorbate 80,

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which is in the other two brands that we of the

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injection that were out there. And it's been

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shown to have similar like effects to

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polyethylene glycol or ethylene glycol. So

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anyways, so we're injecting this past. We're not

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ingesting it so we can get rid of it pretty

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easily. We're injecting it right into the

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tissues, which is surpassing that natural

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mechanism. We're not supposed to have things

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injected necessarily.

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Was the thinking, oh, this is non toxic because

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when people ingest it, they're able to get rid of

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it. Or was there just not any thinking was, who

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knows?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: It could have just been that, you know, for these

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types of things to quote unquote, work, there has

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to be something to aggravate the immune system.

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Maybe that was it. I don't know. I'm not sure

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exactly why they use them. I didn't go too far

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into that, but they're in there.

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Okay.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: And so if we look at that and we recognize that

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now we've injected this, you know, large amount

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of stuff that can destroy structured water. Well,

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you know, look at some of the side effects of

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these injections. And it's not just these

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injections, it's other injections too. It's just

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likely that other toxins do the same thing. But

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when you look at the side effects, one of them

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you just have a local reaction, right? A red

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response, kind of a histamine reaction to that.

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And so if you look at what the way, the way we

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get a histamine response or one way we get a

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histamine response is if the voltage of a cell

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drops too much and that makes mass cells which

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make histamine unstable. And if they become

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unstable, they start releasing histamine like

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crazy. And so what holds the charge?

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Say that again. Can you say that one more time?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: So the charge of a cell, the voltage of a cell,

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which if you learn, study the physiology, you all

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know there's this net negative voltage of a cell.

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And that net negative voltage is what makes the

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cell stable. And if we get a drop in voltage,

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then that can make mast cells unstable. And the

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mast cells are the cells in the body that release

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the things in the body that release the mast cell

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or the histamine. And the histamine response is

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what makes you itchy and have this red response,

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you know. And so if you look at structured water

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is what holds the negative voltage in a cell.

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It's what gets the cell, it's net negative

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charge. So if you inject something locally there

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that interferes with structured water formation,

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now there's no net negative charge being held,

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and it's more likely to drop that voltage. You

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drop the voltage. Mast cells, when you drop the

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voltage, makes them unstable, they start spewing

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out histamine and you get this red response,

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right? So that can happen locally if the person

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is in a compromised state already, which is why

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we see more issues with type 2 diabetics and

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things like that, then this can be a systemic

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response, and that's anaphylaxis and that's life

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threatening.

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So that's like I get stung by a bee, I get, I get

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a red welt. But someone else goes into

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anaphylactic shock, right?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: So it just depends, same stimulant or what

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they've learned to be reactive to in the past,

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right? What their body's learned to be reactive

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to. So that's one thing. That's one thing that

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happened with them that we can explain. Another

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thing that happened was clotting, Excessive

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clotting happened. And so I've spoken a lot

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about, I'm sure on the last or the first podcast

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we did that we talked about how heart disease is

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caused by clotting. And the way you prevent

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clotting biophysically is you build structured

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water in the arteries. Because when you build

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structured water in the arteries, it keeps blood

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moving, it protects the lining of the artery, and

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it keeps blood thin or all the elements above,

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even in space. And that prevents clotting. If you

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inject something that breaks down structured

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water, you're highly predisposing someone to

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clotting because you're getting thick, stagnant

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blood. You're. You're taking away the protection

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lining the artery, which now it can be damaged.

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And you're interfering with blood flow when you

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tear down structured water. So stagnant, thick

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blood is going to clot. And so that's exactly

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what we saw with these things. We saw excessive

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clotting in people. Another thing we saw was high

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blood pressure. A lot of people had high blood

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pressure. And so again, if you destroy the

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structured water on the lining of the artery or

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you make it less likely to form, and the

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structured water is what's moving the blood

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through a tube. Well, if the, if the blood in the

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tube is not moving fast enough, how does the body

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get it? One way the body gets it to move faster

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is you constrict, right? Just like if you put

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your thumb over the end of a hose and water comes

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out faster because you're decreasing the area to

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which it can travel. The same thing, you

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constrict the blood vessel and it moves faster,

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but it also creates more pressure. And so you're

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increasing blood pressure. So again, that could

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be a pitomechanism there. Another thing that we

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saw was myocarditis or pericarditis, inflammation

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of the heart. And the kind of the sacs, I guess,

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that contain the heart, the connective tissue

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sacs that hold it where it is. And so myocarditis

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is inflammation of the heart muscles themselves,

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the muscle cells. And then pericarditis is the

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pericardium around the heart was getting

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inflamed. And, you know, itis means inflammation.

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And so what's happening there is that structured

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water is in the cells. And it's also not just in

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the cells, but it lay. It lines our tissues,

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right? And structured water also is. Creates a

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frictionless barrier. So if, like, it's what

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forms when you ice skate on ice, there's

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structured water forming on the ice as it slowly,

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like, instantaneously melts. And then your. Your

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ice skate is sliding across it. And so this is

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frictionless barrier. So you grab the ice out of

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the freezer and it sticks to you, and then it

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melts and it slips right out of your hand. Right.

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Because the melting of it, you're forming this

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layer of structured water there. And so it

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creates this frictionless barrier. And so if you

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look at heart cells the way they are, they're

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heart muscle cells. They're lined up like they're

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connected by these intercalated discs like this,

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and the one after the other. And so they create

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these tubes of muscle. So when it contracts, the

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muscle kind of slides back and forth as it

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contracts as one. Right. So you get two of them,

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they're sliding past each other like this.

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However, if there's no structured water between

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them, creating a frictionless barrier, guess what

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you get inflammation. Myocarditis. Right. The

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other thing is that the. The pericardium and

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between the heart and the pericardium, there's

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also structured water that lines that. Those

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spaces between it. This is everywhere. It's

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between cells, it's everywhere. That gives it

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this frictionless barrier. So let's say you

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inject something that destroys structured water,

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and you have two of these barriers next to each

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other, and that frictionless effect is not there.

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It's going to create inflammation. So why didn't

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we see inflammation of the liver, inflammation of

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the kidneys? Why not? Why did it happen in the

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heart and the lungs? Pleuritis. Because those are

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the organs that are moving in the body.

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So they rely on that.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Right.

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That friction on that structured water for that

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frictionless movement.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And so when you get. Especially the heart,

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we saw that more because again, the heart is

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moving more frequently and faster than the lungs.

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So we saw it in there. And then lastly, we saw

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increases in cancer. Right. And so what cancer

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is, is everybody says cancer is a metabolic

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disease. And there is definitely a metabolic

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component, and mitochondrial health is key. But

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it's not that. It's not that the mitochondria are

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like, not making enough energy or not making

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enough ATP. It's. I mean, it is kind of that, but

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it's really that what's. When the mitochondria

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don't function, the cell can't hold its voltage.

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And so there's plenty of studies that show that

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when cancer cells are. They don't use oxygen,

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meaning the mitochondria aren't functioning well,

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and that they. They have a pH, a higher pH or

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lower pH mean, meaning they're more acidic. And

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so more acidity means less negative charge. And

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so they've lost their voltage. Right. And so the

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reason that happens is because, I mean, the more

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traditional way that it happens is that you get

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poor mitochondrial function, mitochondrial damage

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from toxin exposures, poor metabolic health, poor

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mitophagy, that kind of stuff. All that stuff

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doesn't happen. And then the mitochondria aren't

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producing enough ATP. ATP is not unfolding

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cellular proteins giving water surface area to

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structure itself on. So if you don't get that,

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which is what the purpose of ATP is, is to unfold

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proteins. It's not to power the whole cell or the

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whole body. It's to unfold proteins so that

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there's surface area to hold charge, to hold

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energy, which is structured water. If you don't

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get that, then you can get into a cancerous state

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or a cell can lose its voltage. And when a cell

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loses its voltage, it loses its ability to

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communicate and function properly. And then it

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goes into survival mode and it starts rapidly

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dividing because it doesn't see itself as part of

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a whole. It sees itself as one individual cell

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that has to survive. So it starts rapidly

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dividing, and its progeny do the same thing. And

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so that's what cancer is. And so that's kind of

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the more traditional route of coming to cancer.

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However, you could also introduce something that

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destroys structured water directly. And you turn

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these cells, who may or may not have functioning

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mitochondria, maybe that stuff damages

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mitochondria too, but it also interferes with the

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body's ability to structure water in the cell.

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And then the cell is more likely to lose its

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voltage and become cancerous. And so they're

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calling them like these turbo cancers because the

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body can't get rid of these things. Because you

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look at most people, their detox pathways are

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shut down. They're completely shut down. They

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have stagnant fluid in the body. The blood flow

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is not moving well, the lymph is not moving well.

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They're not sweating on a daily know I've met so

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many people who can't sweat. They just. They try

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to and they can't because there's just detox

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mechanisms are shut down. Their liver is backed

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up and not supported properly. They may have

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constipation, like their detox mechanisms are

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shut down. And that's a lot of people in this

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world.

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And detox mechanisms being sweating, pooping,

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what else?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Just the liver itself functioning properly. But

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if the liver is always dealing with all the

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toxins you're supposed to every single day, it

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can't do that as well. Plus it's not supported

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well enough because it doesn't have the right

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nutrients, collagen, B vitamins, things like that

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that we largely get from animal foods. Like those

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things are important for the liver to do the

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conjugation phases of its detoxification. So all

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that stuff is. And then just static lymph, it's

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just not getting out, you know, because we have

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bound up fascia, because we're not in infrared

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light, we have scar tissue in the body, things

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like that. The lymph is just not moving. People

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are just not moving in general where, you know,

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people are living sedentary lives. And so all

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that stuff is just, we're not getting rid of this

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polyethylene glycol or polysorbate ab or whatever

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else is in them. You know, we're just not getting

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rid of them. And so with that, we get these

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people that are just, you know, perpetually in

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this state after this injection. And I'm, I'm of

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the opinion that the process of getting sick from

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any viral type illness is similar to this because

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it's just a toxic response to the body. Like the

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body has been introduced by a toxin and it could

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be environmental stuff that triggers it, or it

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could be directly introducing a toxin via an

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injection or something. So it's just your body

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having a detox response. But that's. So it's the

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same thing. It's the same kind of response. So

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you could be struggling from the vaccine or

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illnesses. You know, they could go on

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perpetually, which is an issue.

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I've heard that a lot from people. Like they'll

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get the flu and it'll last for like, they'll have

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symptoms for like a month.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

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Or a cold that goes on for like weeks and weeks

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and weeks and weeks. Like the body doesn't seem

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able to resolve just a normal.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: It's in a seasonal state.

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Detox properly.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And that's what it is. I mean, I mean you

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think about it like if you get it this type of

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illness and it gets bad enough, your body mounts

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a fever to force you to sweat and, and that's

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what happens. And then that's the way it was in

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the old days. Oh. And they, you know, they, they

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broke their fever, you know, they sweated it out

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and then they were better. Yeah, it's just like,

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that's. Makes a lot more sense to me. So that's

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what it is. And it's a similar reaction when you

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inject something that your body can't get rid of

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because your detox pathways are shut down. So the

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first step is charge your body, give Your body

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the energy it needs to then eventually get rid of

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this stuff. So charge your body means sunlight,

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grounding, avoiding toxins. It means metabolic

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health. So good energy sources, food energy

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sources, but also grounding and sunlight, like we

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said. And it means avoiding emf, things that

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steal the charge, avoiding artificial light that

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steals the charge, all those different things. So

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allow your body to actually charge up its battery

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and then open up detox pathways, then start to

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open things up. So fix constipation in whatever

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way you need to. It could just be that you're not

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drinking enough water or electrolytes. You know,

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start sweating, whether that's. If you don't want

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to exercise, get a sauna or sit in the sun. Like,

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start sweating. Start getting lymph moving. Like,

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lymphatic massages are great. You can do them on

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yourself. You can have someone else do them.

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Like, let's start getting stuff moving. Address

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the scar tissue in your body. Support the liver

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with B vitamins and collagen and things like

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that. Which, again, eating whole animal food

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sources is best. But, yeah, all that stuff. Once

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you start doing that, if you've charged up the

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body, you get enough energy, and then you open up

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the pathways, it'll get rid of stuff. It's really

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good at doing that. We're just in environments

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that are interfering with all that.

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Amazing. And I love that it's relatively simple.

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I find for people, the biggest barrier is, like,

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realizing they should do that. Whenever I talk to

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someone who has a lingering illness, which was a

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lot this winter, I'm like, you know, there's an

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infrared sauna place just in the next town over.

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It's only 10 minutes away. That would really

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help. And they're like, oh, yeah, okay. And I'm

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like, all right, I'm not gonna.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, the other aspect of detoxing is circadian

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rhythm, like, getting melatonin levels higher so

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that you. When you do sleep, you're actually

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detoxifying at night. If you don't get that

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signal, you won't. So it's like I tell people,

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it's like, you never took the trash out in your

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house. If you're not doing that when you sleep.

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If the. If you're not making enough melatonin.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

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In addition to other things, melatonin is a

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detoxifier, is what you're saying.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, yeah, it stimulates the. Like, if you're

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talking about mitophagy and autophagy, lymphatic

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drainage and glymphatic drainage and gut lining

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repair and artery repair, like all that stuff

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like detox and repair happens at night if you

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have adequate melatonin. So again, that means

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mitochondrial function, but it also means getting

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that pineal melatonin by blocking blue light

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after sunset and optimizing that for sleep so

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that you get into that deep, restorative, healing

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sleep.

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Amazing. Well, Steven, thank you so much for

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coming back. This was really fun. We went to a

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lot of places. I feel like this was like four

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different episodes in one. It's good. It's great.

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So tell me how people can find you. There is an

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opportunity to see you speak live at the event in

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June. The Wild Retreat. Did I say the name?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: I said it.

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Tell us about that.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So, well, people can find me on my website

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is resourceyourhealth.com and all the stuff.

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So. Resourceyourhealth.com r e s o u r c e

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yourhealth.com yes. All right. We will link to

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that in the show notes, but I know most of you

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are driving or whatever, so.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Resourceyourhealth.com yeah, and all the stuff

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I'm doing is on there.

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And you're on the socials.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, social media.

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What's your IG Social?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Dr. Stephen Hussey. Stephen with a pH.

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Yeah, pH s t e P H E N H U S s e y. Dr. Stephen

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Hussey.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And then, yes, I will be at the Return to

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Nature event, speaking. And that is in the June.

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End of June.

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End of June in beautiful Tennessee. We'll also

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put a link to that in the show notes. Keep doing

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the work you're doing. And that was. I just want

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to wrap up like, that is an incredible take on,

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on the shots. Have you. Is that like something

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you pieced together because you happen to read

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that Gilbert Ling research, or are people

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understanding that that could be part of it?

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: That's something I just pieced together. And it's

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one possible mechanism. There's obviously

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probably other mechanisms by which they could be

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causing harm. But that's one that I, when I

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figured that out, I'm just like, oh, well, that

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can explain, you know, the, the high blood

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pressure can explain all the different things if

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you know. But I also knew previous information

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about structured water. So having that previous

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information, I was like, oh, well, then I can

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explain it all.

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Yeah. And you are likely one of very few people

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in the world who would have had a place to put

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all.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Those things together or would be reading Gilbert

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Ling.

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Exactly. You've read Gilbert Ling. You understand

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structured water and you're reading the

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ingredient list on pharmaceutical products.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, that's what we're here for. That is

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why this podcast exists, because we love to hear

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what you're all learning, and it's so important

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and makes such a difference to our lives. So

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thank you for all your amazing work, and thank

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you for sharing it with us.

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Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, thanks for having me on.

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