Episode 133

133: Terra Martin - Stop the Trauma Loop: Hypnosis, Sunlight & Subconscious Healing

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"The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of the trauma," says Terra Martin, hypnotherapist and newly certified Applied Quantum Biology practitioner, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to reveal how her musical background informs her unique approach to healing trauma. Martin explains how she "hears" emotions in her clients' voices, likening it to discerning musical notes, and how this skill allows her to quickly identify underlying issues.

In this fascinating discussion, Martin shares insights on the intersection of hypnosis, psychology, and quantum biology. She describes how trauma becomes trapped in the body, replaying on a cellular level, and how practices like circadian rhythm optimization and grounding can help release it. Martin also recounts remarkable case studies, including a client whose neck tumor disappeared after addressing emotional issues.

Tune in to today's episode to learn more about Martin's innovative techniques for trauma resolution, the power of the body's innate wisdom, and how quantum biology principles are revolutionizing her practice.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Practice listening to the intonation and cadence in people's voices, not just their words. This can reveal hidden emotions and provide deeper insights into what someone is really feeling or experiencing.

2. When triggered emotionally, try counting backwards from 10 while slowing your breathing. This helps regulate your energy and prevents absorbing others' intense emotions.

3. Use hypnosis or similar techniques to open the "doorway" between your conscious and subconscious mind. This allows processing of stored traumas without reliving the pain.

4. Incorporate circadian rhythm optimization practices like morning sunlight exposure, blue light blocking, and grounding. This helps anchor trauma healing in the physical body.

5. Focus on educating yourself about your own stress patterns and responses. Approach personal growth as a process of self-discovery rather than fixing something "wrong."

Memorable Quotes

"Hypnosis allows the body to do what it needs to do, but it won't always be logical. As a therapist, you've got to hang on and go for a ride. It's not my direction that guides it, it's the body's direction. The body knows the bottom line."
"When you clear trauma out, which is what quantum seems to do, everything I've done comes into greater play. Physically, clients get clearer on their cells because the sunlight helps so much."
"There hasn't been one client I've given this information to that hasn't benefited to some degree. To me, it's sold. It's the way to go. Plus, it's away from the medical, which we could talk for hours on."

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

Terra Martin, welcome to the QVC podcast. This is

Meredith Oke:

going to be fun.

Terra Martin:

Happy to see you, Meredith.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so I want to start with your origin story,

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because you studied music and you were on the

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path to. Towards music composition and being a

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professional musician, and then you moved over

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into psychology and hypnosis. So tell me about

Meredith Oke:

that transition and, like, what. What, if any,

Meredith Oke:

overlap there is in those areas?

Terra Martin:

Okay. Well, I started in music, and I intended to

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spend my life composing on the piano and perhaps

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getting hired by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra

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and then living on peanut butter and crackers the

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rest of my life. And a professor said, you have a

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passion for music. You love it, and do you want

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to hate your passion when it doesn't provide you

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a living? Then I thought about it, and I said,

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no, you're right. So then I moved to taking

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courses in psychology, hypnotherapy, cbt, and was

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going to choose that because to me, when I first

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heard those things and I listened to people

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speak, I go, I can do this. It's like music. It's

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like I can hear the rise and fall of their voices

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as they say certain words and certain sentences.

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And I do this all the time when I'm listening to

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music or composing. So it's an easy. It's an

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easy. I don't really have to get used to it. I

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have to sharpen my ear in a slightly different

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way. So I did that, and then I came back to

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music, and now I own about six instruments. I

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haven't met an instrument I don't like, so I have

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to be careful when I go on ebay.

Meredith Oke:

That's amazing. So your life is filled with music

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and in the traditional sense, but also you see

Meredith Oke:

your patients through the lens of a trained

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musician's ear.

Terra Martin:

Correct.

Meredith Oke:

So you were saying, like, you hear in their

Meredith Oke:

voices when they speak.

Terra Martin:

Well, for example, if they come into the office

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and one lady came in and she stood at the door

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and she said, I'm not upset. And I heard right

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away it was grief, because I could hear. There's

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physical words you speak, but then there's an

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intonation. That's the music. And I heard that

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she had grief. And I said, it's okay. You can

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cry. And then she burst into tears and came and

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did a session. Right. But I could hear. It was my

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ear that told me what it was.

Meredith Oke:

So your. Your ear that's been trained musically,

Meredith Oke:

picks up emotions as though they're music under

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inside of the cadence of someone's speaking voice.

Terra Martin:

Exactly, exactly. And over the years, yes, it

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became more honed because more clients, more

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time. Of course, you get really good at it. And

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even when I'm out socializing, I can. Without

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wanting to. You pick it up. You don't. It's not.

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I'm trying to work or anything, but it just

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became so overused that it's automatic.

Meredith Oke:

Right. That's so interesting. I mean, what an

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incredible tool to have in your toolbox. As

Meredith Oke:

someone who sees clients or patients, how do you

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refer to them? Clients or patients?

Terra Martin:

I call them clients.

Meredith Oke:

Clients. Okay. Who sees clients? And it's part of

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your job to understand where they are

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emotionally. You can just hear it.

Terra Martin:

I can hear it. And it's. It saves some money

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because the quicker I pick it up, the quicker

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they can go through a. Reckon, you know,

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recognize it. And, you know, truthfully,

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therapists don't change people. People change

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themselves. That's the truth. You know, I'm. I'm

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a. I'm a mirror. I'm a facilitator. I'm not the

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changer. They are.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, I completely agree with that. One of my

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coaching members used to say, you know, you can

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coach anybody on anything as long as they're

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coachable.

Terra Martin:

That's right.

Meredith Oke:

Like, if they're not coachable, don't sign the

Meredith Oke:

contract.

Terra Martin:

That's right.

Meredith Oke:

So I love. I love this idea of. Of hearing the

Meredith Oke:

emotions as music are there certain. Because I

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know that, you know, a lot of us, sometimes you

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can tell when somebody is using words to say one

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thing, but the body language or the energy, or

Meredith Oke:

you can just tell, you feel that cognitive

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dissonance, that it's not. It's not lined up with

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how they're really feeling. So they'll say like,

Meredith Oke:

oh, I'm fine, or, oh, no, that's no problem, or.

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Or even just telling a story as though it's no

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big deal. But you can feel like a gap between

Meredith Oke:

what's being said. And so you pick that up. Well,

Meredith Oke:

in many different ways.

Terra Martin:

It takes about a paragraph because people have

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learned to hone their intonation like, you know,

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how are you? Nice weather. We all have a nice

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package of sound bite for that. But going on with

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a paragraph or two, we go back, we default to our

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natural intonation. And as soon as that happens,

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then there's a whole wealth of information. If

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you're listening to people not only for context,

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but the rise and fall of their voice, there's a

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whole wealth of information of, you know, if

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someone says, I really like my mother, well,

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guess what, there's two messages there. Verbally

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yes. Sentence wise, they like their mother. But

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intonation, there's something, Something there.

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There's some information there that can be

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unpacked.

Meredith Oke:

So have you noticed that there are different

Meredith Oke:

intonations for different types of emotions?

Terra Martin:

Yes, a lot. There's a generalization, there's a.

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There's a global intonation for anger, fear,

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guilt, doubt. But then there's mixes, because

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nobody's pure anger, nobody's pure doubt,

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nobody's pure love. So when it gets mixes, that's

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where it gets really interesting because it's

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like a different piece of music. It's

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combinations of sound and. And feel. It's a sound

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feel.

Meredith Oke:

Right, so like the. A feel in your body as you're

Meredith Oke:

hearing them speak.

Terra Martin:

Yes, but it's also a feel of if they're saying

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something that's all of a sudden they speak very

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slowly out of the blue, or they speak very fast.

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The intonation is squeezed. So it's like they're

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playing at one end of the piano versus the other

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end of the piano. They're trying to slow down

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something which is an emotion of some sort of. Or

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they're trying to speed it up to get past it.

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Because there's memories happening while they're

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speaking.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, that's so interesting. And it's funny as

Meredith Oke:

you're describing it, I'm like, oh, it sounds

Meredith Oke:

like a music teacher or a voice teacher when

Meredith Oke:

you're having the singer find the emotion in the

Meredith Oke:

song. But that's just what we're naturally doing

Meredith Oke:

as we speak all the time.

Terra Martin:

Yes, we do. Yeah, it's a natural thing we do. But

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we never kind of scientifically observe it. We

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never observe it and say, wow, I'm doing this. I

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mean, even with myself, I know there's certain

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people that my intonation changes right away and

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I go, oh, pay attention. Like you're telling

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yourself something. Or there's other people that

Terra Martin:

I don't really mind however it comes out or

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however I, however I say it. Like you're one of

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those people. As soon as I met you, I go, I like

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her. I'm going to just say whatever, whatever

Terra Martin:

comes to mind.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, great, I will. I'm happy to hear that.

Meredith Oke:

Because I have to say it's a little, you know,

Meredith Oke:

like when I talk to people and they're like,

Meredith Oke:

yeah, I can read biofields. I can see this, I can

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see that. I'm always like, I wonder what. I'm not

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gonna. Not going to have myself revealed on a

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podcast. But I always do wonder what they're

Meredith Oke:

seeing. Well, I love that. That's one of my

Meredith Oke:

favorite. I'm glad you feel that you can say

Meredith Oke:

anything, because you probably can. I've heard a

Meredith Oke:

lot of things over the years. Sometimes people

Meredith Oke:

will say, like, they're so ashamed or nervous or

Meredith Oke:

scared to say something, and they'll just tell it

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to me. And I'm like, oh, wow, you were nervous to

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tell me that you. Sweetie, I've heard it all.

Meredith Oke:

I've heard it all. And then I'm always surprised

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at how we hold ourselves back from showing up

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authentically because, you know, I mean, there

Meredith Oke:

are safe people and not safe people, but, yes,

Meredith Oke:

true. Gosh, we're off. We're so nervous to just

Meredith Oke:

say the truth sometimes, aren't we?

Terra Martin:

We are. We are, unfortunately. And that's where

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people mask their intonation. They kind of

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squeeze it. Like, I had one client, she's very,

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very British, and her mother used to say to her

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all the time, don't raise your voice. Don't raise

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your voice. Don't raise your voice. Well, then

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she learned to shut down her intonation and,

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like, squeeze it so she would always sound

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practical, logical. And she took out all the

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adjectives out of her sentences, basically. So

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there was no. It was almost like there was no

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emotional content in her intonation. And when she

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came to see me, she goes, you know, I find people

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don't, you know, find me empathetic or

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communicative, you know. And I said, okay. Well,

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I said, I want you to pretend you're angry and

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say something. And it came out in best British,

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and it sounded like she was reading a newspaper.

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And I go, we're going to work on that. But it was

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the training of her mother saying, don't raise

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your voice. So what she did internally was not

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raise her intonation and not let it flow with her

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content or sentences. So it's like she didn't

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have any of her emotions showing through, shining

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and showing through in her words to making them,

Terra Martin:

you know, human.

Meredith Oke:

Wow, that's so true. And you do. There are those

Meredith Oke:

people where it's like almost a monotone, right?

Terra Martin:

And that's their guarding what they feel. So it

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doesn't shine and shine through their words. But

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then you don't know. You don't touch the person.

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You don't touch who they are, their genuine self,

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because somebody or something at an event has

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occurred that they felt they have to kind of sit

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on their intonation.

Meredith Oke:

Because then there are people where it's like

Meredith Oke:

they sound almost hysterical at the drop of a hat.

Terra Martin:

That's the people the other end, because they

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don't want to believe that they're so logical,

Terra Martin:

practical, and sometimes not compassionate. So

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they exaggerate it the other way. Like all

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extremes, you know, absolutes. There's nothing,

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you know, any absolute. There's something missing

Terra Martin:

in the piece. There's something missing in the

Terra Martin:

puzzle piece, right?

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. There are no absolutes.

Terra Martin:

No. Especially in quantum.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Okay. So, I mean, this is so interesting. We

Meredith Oke:

could talk the whole time about the voices. So

Meredith Oke:

tell me a little bit more about how you work. So

Meredith Oke:

your first clue with a client is auditory and

Meredith Oke:

then what unfolds?

Terra Martin:

Well, I used to have them write 25 questions, but

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I don't know. You must know this. People hate

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writing down questions. It takes them forever. So

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then I put it down to 10, and then I said, okay,

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come to my office. Write five questions on

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anything. But what I'm doing in the questioning

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is saying, are you ready to put yourself in a

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student position? That's all it's about. I don't

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care what the question is. And then I need to

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know if they are a how mind, a when mind, a where

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mind, or what, like, which. Which is the best way

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I can teach them. If they're a how mind, I have

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to give them the method. If they're when, I have

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to tell them timing. And if they're where, I have

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to give them locations. So I get the quickest. I

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want to get the quickest way in to. So that

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they're not in pain anymore. So I use how, when,

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and where as the. As the template.

Meredith Oke:

That is so interesting. I love that because

Meredith Oke:

something that comes up a lot in my coaching is

Meredith Oke:

how much information to give a client, how much

Meredith Oke:

to explain to them. And a lot of people who are

Meredith Oke:

drawn to study applied quantum biology love the

Meredith Oke:

information, and they love sharing the

Meredith Oke:

information. And their clients don't always love

Meredith Oke:

to receive it, but some of them do. Like I need

Meredith Oke:

to know, I need a certain amount of how in order

Meredith Oke:

to be motivated to do it correct. But I haven't.

Meredith Oke:

I've not heard this distinction before. So that's

Meredith Oke:

super interesting. So there's a how, a when, and

Meredith Oke:

a where. Could you give examples? I mean, I guess

Meredith Oke:

the how's pretty obvious. You explain how it

Meredith Oke:

works.

Terra Martin:

Yes. When is more people who. They want to deal

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with their future. They want to clear future

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hypothetical problems that haven't happened yet,

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but might happen according to their logic. So

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then I give them this is now. If you. If you keep

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repeating the same behavior going forward, it's

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going to look like this. So that would be when.

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If you stop the behavior, the future can look

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like this. And I kind of open it as

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possibilities, different possibilities for that

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type of person. And they're very much on time.

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You know, they want to save time. So I'll use

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that motivation for them to go. To go there and

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do it. But you see, the reason I just divided

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everybody's mind into the four is I kept finding

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there was a pattern. People came that wanted,

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method only. People came that wanted, well, where

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will I be? Location only. If I change, what do I

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get? That's how I divided it into the four

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categories. Now it's general and some people are

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crossovers, but it's a good start and it saves

Terra Martin:

quite a bit of time for them, right?

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, absolutely. If you can take the most direct

Meredith Oke:

route, what will be most motivating or

Meredith Oke:

persuasive? So tell me a little bit more about

Meredith Oke:

the.

Terra Martin:

About the where in the where. It's events that

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have happened to people. The locations become the

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problem. So when someone has to know where's the

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exit and where is the bathroom and where is the

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front door, where's the. I know that there's kind

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of triggers around there. So I'll go in a

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different way. I won't go right for the exit or

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the doors. I'll go for the middle of the room or

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something and say, what. Tell me about the middle

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of the room, what was there? And then I'll work

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my way out. So that gives me kind of a clue and a

Terra Martin:

direction to work with them. If they've had, you

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know, different traumas or different. Just events

Terra Martin:

that have happened that have caused them stress.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Terra Martin:

So the where gives me that. So it's just

Terra Martin:

isolating very quickly. Isolating. Kind of

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instead of the big wide picture, I'm narrowing

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it, narrowing it, narrowing. And I work in that

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area over an hour or two. I'm trying to get the

Terra Martin:

most for their hour or two.

Meredith Oke:

Right, right. So they. They fill out the

Meredith Oke:

questionnaire and then they come to you. So. And

Meredith Oke:

you go from there using that sort of as a bit of

Meredith Oke:

a blueprint or guiding post.

Terra Martin:

And if they do. Yeah, if they do 25 questions,

Terra Martin:

then I count the hows, I count the where's, I

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count the whens that are in it. And if there

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isn't any, we have a very. We have the type of

Terra Martin:

person who's very general. So I know it could be

Terra Martin:

a long haul unless I get them into using how,

Terra Martin:

when, and where. So I'll give them that lesson

Terra Martin:

for, for one week and then start. Right.

Meredith Oke:

Okay. Yeah. That's so cool because I'm listening.

Meredith Oke:

I'm like, I'm a how and a where and a when. But

Meredith Oke:

the where, I'm like, I don't even know what

Meredith Oke:

you're talking about. It doesn't make no sense to

Meredith Oke:

me. What do you mean, the exit?

Terra Martin:

I think you're pretty open to the world, so where

Terra Martin:

wouldn't matter to you. It's all good.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, well, it means a lot to hear you say that

Meredith Oke:

because it was not always the case. All right,

Meredith Oke:

so. Okay, I just want to go a little big picture

Meredith Oke:

for a minute. So you studied hypnosis,

Meredith Oke:

psychology, emdr, which is the rapid eye

Meredith Oke:

movement. Was it cbt? Cognitive behavioral

Meredith Oke:

therapy. And you've been doing this for decades?

Meredith Oke:

Over two decades.

Terra Martin:

Over two decades, yes.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, so tell me, like big picture, what your

Meredith Oke:

impression of trauma is. Like, what, what is it

Meredith Oke:

and where. I kind of want to go because this has

Meredith Oke:

been coming up a lot. I talked about it with

Meredith Oke:

Eileen McKusick is we seem to have, as a culture,

Meredith Oke:

moved into an understanding of the deep, deep

Meredith Oke:

implications of trauma on a person and a person's

Meredith Oke:

behavior. But we seem to be a bit stuck there and

Meredith Oke:

feel like it's like, oh, your child got

Meredith Oke:

traumatized. They're ruined for life, right?

Meredith Oke:

Like, that's the, that's the mom fear. And so in

Meredith Oke:

my, but my experience personally and in many,

Meredith Oke:

many people over, that I've seen over the years

Meredith Oke:

in different situations has been that trauma is

Meredith Oke:

resolvable. So that's kind of where I want to go.

Meredith Oke:

But I want to start with how do you see trauma?

Meredith Oke:

Like, how do you explain it to people?

Terra Martin:

Basically, it's an event that happens, say when

Terra Martin:

someone was younger. Could be five years ago, 10

Terra Martin:

years ago. Say it happened when someone was 10.

Terra Martin:

The subconscious does not let go and give the

Terra Martin:

information to the conscious, doesn't feed it

Terra Martin:

forward, because it wants to protect your logical

Terra Martin:

mind so that you can go about your day to day

Terra Martin:

activity. So it withholds the information and it

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doesn't pass that information forward. So it

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keeps repeating the trauma. So it becomes like

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you're on a train or you're like a mouse running

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around that little treadmill thing. And that

Terra Martin:

trauma is continually playing in the back of your

Terra Martin:

head, in sight, sound and motion and on the, on

Terra Martin:

the neurons and electrons and cells, it keeps

Terra Martin:

replaying. But you can perform your daily tasks

Terra Martin:

because you haven't been given the information to

Terra Martin:

your external. So it doesn't limit you, but

Terra Martin:

actually it does limit you. So our subconscious

Terra Martin:

mind thinks that it's protecting us, but actually

Terra Martin:

makes a bit of a mess.

Meredith Oke:

Right. So we have these traumas, these little

Meredith Oke:

treadmills, running memories.

Terra Martin:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Running in the background, so to speak.

Terra Martin:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

And that is, for lack of a better word, the

Meredith Oke:

energy of that is running through our bodies and

Meredith Oke:

our fields and our.

Terra Martin:

Basically, what it's doing is triggering fight or

Terra Martin:

flight response all the time.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Terra Martin:

Even if we're not aware of it. And it's also our

Terra Martin:

mirror neurons, what they're doing is they're

Terra Martin:

copying it. They're saying, oh, we got to keep

Terra Martin:

this. This is important information. We haven't

Terra Martin:

processed it. So you keep feeding, like, whatever

Terra Martin:

you feed your mirror neurons, the more they copy

Terra Martin:

it, they can copy anything.

Meredith Oke:

So interesting.

Terra Martin:

What you feed them is what you get is basically

Terra Martin:

what I'm saying.

Meredith Oke:

So the treadmill is feeding the mirror neurons

Meredith Oke:

and does that. Then when we talk about creating

Meredith Oke:

our reality, are we then subconsciously

Meredith Oke:

recreating little versions of that? Because

Meredith Oke:

that's what we know. That's what we resonate with.

Terra Martin:

Well, then what we do is we take pieces of those.

Terra Martin:

Of that detail. It could be a room, it could be a

Terra Martin:

day, it could be a season, and that will be

Terra Martin:

repeated. And when that season comes up again,

Terra Martin:

the trauma will activate stronger because it's

Terra Martin:

going. It's happening again. It's now. So the

Terra Martin:

past becomes like a virtual reality of now. And

Terra Martin:

that replays when the triggers set up in place or

Terra Martin:

line up. The mirror neurons say, oh, it's again.

Terra Martin:

We're doing this again. This is happening again.

Terra Martin:

So the same fight or flight response kicks in.

Meredith Oke:

Wow. So how does. How do we know? I mean, I guess

Meredith Oke:

we know. Even if we can't pinpoint a trauma, if

Meredith Oke:

life is unfolding in. In an uncomfortable,

Meredith Oke:

painful way on an ongoing basis, is there likely

Meredith Oke:

some. Some background?

Terra Martin:

There is.

Meredith Oke:

If we keep making choices and we're like, why is

Meredith Oke:

this why Again.

Terra Martin:

That goes back to how well people want to get to

Terra Martin:

know themselves. Like, be educated on themselves.

Terra Martin:

Not. Not something wrong, not something right.

Terra Martin:

But they want to get educated and go, why am I

Terra Martin:

afraid when I go out the front door and I have to

Terra Martin:

touch it five times? Why don't I want to get to

Terra Martin:

the bottom of it? And I'm the expert of me.

Terra Martin:

Therefore, if I start to ask myself how, when,

Terra Martin:

where, questions, then I will perhaps remember or

Terra Martin:

find out. But people have gotten used to the

Terra Martin:

workaround. Like, when you put it away, it's

Terra Martin:

still in the closet, but you don't have to think

Terra Martin:

about it. So not thinking about it is an

Terra Martin:

instruction to the self. When someone says, I

Terra Martin:

want to know, I want to know, and you tell

Terra Martin:

yourself that you want to know. Interesting

Terra Martin:

things pop up out of the body parts and up to

Terra Martin:

your conscious.

Meredith Oke:

Interesting because I had an experience once. I

Meredith Oke:

was doing some kind of, you know, trauma healing

Meredith Oke:

modality. And, you know, the person asked me to

Meredith Oke:

think of a memory. And it was. It wasn't

Meredith Oke:

something. I can't remember what it was at the

Meredith Oke:

moment, but it wasn't like a horrible thing. It

Meredith Oke:

was just something that happened. And I didn't

Meredith Oke:

understand until we did the process that I had

Meredith Oke:

attached this certain meaning to that event.

Meredith Oke:

Gosh, I wish I could remember what it was. I

Meredith Oke:

don't. But I was a child, and it was like one of

Meredith Oke:

my parents said something to me or something

Meredith Oke:

happened or I have witnessed something, and I

Meredith Oke:

made an internal decision. And it wasn't an event

Meredith Oke:

that I would have described that could be

Meredith Oke:

described as traumatic, But I had attached, like,

Meredith Oke:

a deep meaning to it. And I was living by that as

Meredith Oke:

if it was a law.

Terra Martin:

Right, right. And that's the interesting thing.

Terra Martin:

It's not about the size of it, the size of the

Terra Martin:

trauma. It's the individual, unique person,

Terra Martin:

whatever is affecting them. Whenever I deal with

Terra Martin:

a trauma, I don't go, what's the big thing? I go,

Terra Martin:

what's the thing? Right. It's because to you,

Terra Martin:

something is very important. To someone else,

Terra Martin:

it's not, you know, to some people, they like

Terra Martin:

peanut butter. Some people don't. So everyone is

Terra Martin:

unique. But the fear is universal and the fight

Terra Martin:

flight is universal. But what the event is

Terra Martin:

actually not the important part. What the

Terra Martin:

important part is bringing that to your conscious

Terra Martin:

and then processing it. Because your logical mind

Terra Martin:

processes, your subconscious just holds on to

Terra Martin:

things and says, well, we'll get to it another

Terra Martin:

day. So one has the ability to hold on to things,

Terra Martin:

but one has the ability to process. And when they

Terra Martin:

mix up their jobs, then things get kind of

Terra Martin:

cluttered.

Meredith Oke:

Right. So that's why it would be important to

Meredith Oke:

have some kind of regular practice of cleaning

Meredith Oke:

this up.

Terra Martin:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

So we. Our circuit, you know, our quantum

Meredith Oke:

circuits don't get overloaded.

Terra Martin:

Absolutely.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Terra Martin:

Because you guys are dealing with the extra field

Terra Martin:

like you're dealing five senses. Plus what's

Terra Martin:

happening in the quantum, that's an extra. Like

Terra Martin:

an extra sense or something, you know, I don't

Terra Martin:

know what you'd call it. Extra awareness.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Terra Martin:

And as a coach, you have that too. You would be

Terra Martin:

very empathetic with your Your clients. And

Terra Martin:

there's a lot being transferred to you that might

Terra Martin:

be their issues that you take home without

Terra Martin:

realizing it. Right. Unless you scrub it off.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. What are some strategies that you teach

Meredith Oke:

people for, like, maintenance, trauma

Meredith Oke:

maintenance, or everyday stuff to, like, do this

Meredith Oke:

kind of clearing that we're talking about?

Terra Martin:

Whoops, I lost you. Sorry.

Meredith Oke:

Okay.

Terra Martin:

Whoops. How do I come back? Oh, gotcha there. I'm

Terra Martin:

back. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Meredith Oke:

No problem.

Terra Martin:

Yes. Actually, what I have them do before bed is

Terra Martin:

put their hands on their heart and say heart

Terra Martin:

throughout the night, let me know what I need to

Terra Martin:

know about the past. And then over the next few

Terra Martin:

days, as you're doing that, you'll go, mmm, I

Terra Martin:

remember this. Oh, I remember that. Now. You're

Terra Martin:

not looking for big events, whatever the heart

Terra Martin:

brings to you, because the heart will talk to the

Terra Martin:

head. Then it's events that just need to be

Terra Martin:

processed by thinking about them. It's not that

Terra Martin:

you have to do much, but you have to think about

Terra Martin:

them. Say, oh, I didn't think that was a big

Terra Martin:

thing, but maybe it was. Right. And it's self

Terra Martin:

discovery. Like all my clients, I have to teach

Terra Martin:

them that they're educating themselves on

Terra Martin:

themselves. There's nothing wrong. Like, because

Terra Martin:

they have a trauma, that doesn't mean there's

Terra Martin:

something wrong. It means they don't know

Terra Martin:

themselves well enough to figure out how to get

Terra Martin:

into the trauma, get out of the trauma, and

Terra Martin:

process the trauma. But that doesn't. That

Terra Martin:

doesn't make something wrong.

Meredith Oke:

Right? Yeah. Like if you went on a walk through a

Meredith Oke:

big muddy forest and you came back all muddy.

Meredith Oke:

It's not wrong. You're just covered in mud.

Terra Martin:

You're just covered in mud.

Meredith Oke:

Went for a walk.

Terra Martin:

It'll wash off.

Meredith Oke:

Yes.

Terra Martin:

Yeah, exactly.

Meredith Oke:

So tell me about, in your experience, the

Meredith Oke:

resolution of trauma, whether it's the big stuff

Meredith Oke:

or the small stuff, and how you see that works.

Terra Martin:

Basically, the resolution is if you visualize

Terra Martin:

your subconscious as a box of stuff and you dump

Terra Martin:

it in front of your senses. And then you start

Terra Martin:

looking at it, and your senses go, well, that's.

Terra Martin:

I was 10. What did I know? I was. Oh, and that

Terra Martin:

was grandfather. Oh, and that was, you know, the

Terra Martin:

picture on the wall fell off and broke. And, you

Terra Martin:

know, you put the details of the crime, so to

Terra Martin:

speak, in front of your senses. Then you can

Terra Martin:

update that you were 10 and now you're 20 or 30

Terra Martin:

or 50, whatever the age, and it changes the time

Terra Martin:

zone. So you don't go back on that past train.

Terra Martin:

You're not back on the treadmill, because you're

Terra Martin:

taking yourself from 10 to 20 to 30 by updating

Terra Martin:

the details, the physical details, the facts, the

Terra Martin:

room, the year, the summertime, winter, the

Terra Martin:

season. So it allows the information to become.

Terra Martin:

It allows the information to come forward and you

Terra Martin:

process it with your now logic of 30 as opposed

Terra Martin:

to your logic of 10. So we have different

Terra Martin:

traumas, small, medium, large, that keep us

Terra Martin:

locked in different age groups. Sometimes we're

Terra Martin:

locked in at 10, 15, 20, and these kind of locks

Terra Martin:

keep us going back to visit it. So we leave our

Terra Martin:

now and go back to the past and visit it when

Terra Martin:

there's triggers.

Meredith Oke:

Right? Okay, that's so interesting because I'm

Meredith Oke:

remembering a time I was a member of a committee.

Meredith Oke:

We were at a meeting. There were, I don't know,

Meredith Oke:

maybe eight or ten of us around a table. It was

Meredith Oke:

through an organization where we'd all been

Meredith Oke:

through some stuff. Everyone probably had a

Meredith Oke:

certain level of trauma in their background. But

Meredith Oke:

we were all just having a meeting, being grown

Meredith Oke:

ups, talking about boring things like budgets or

Meredith Oke:

whatever. And someone came in late and he was

Meredith Oke:

really angry about a decision that had been made

Meredith Oke:

at the previous meeting that he wasn't involved

Meredith Oke:

in. And he came and started. He came into the

Meredith Oke:

room and started shouting. And I watched all the

Meredith Oke:

faces of these adults freeze and they became

Meredith Oke:

children right in front of my eyes. And I was

Meredith Oke:

like, oh my gosh, it's not grownups anymore.

Meredith Oke:

Every single one of them. It was like a little. A

Meredith Oke:

frightened little child. And I just had this

Meredith Oke:

moment where I was like, oh my goodness. Right?

Meredith Oke:

Because it was so many people all at the same

Meredith Oke:

time, all experience like an angry authority, you

Meredith Oke:

know, it was a big man and he was standing up and

Meredith Oke:

we were all sitting down. It was just like that,

Meredith Oke:

the entire room. I was like, oh, wow, that's how

Meredith Oke:

it happens.

Terra Martin:

That's exactly, you're right. Exactly, exactly.

Terra Martin:

Yeah. And if you're watching, if you're outside

Terra Martin:

of it, you must be clearer from yelling than

Terra Martin:

somebody else. Then you can stay in your senses

Terra Martin:

and you'll observe what's going on instead of be

Terra Martin:

part of it.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Terra Martin:

That's kind of like being in your senses means

Terra Martin:

you have the ability to observe rather than react.

Meredith Oke:

So if we do find ourselves right, something does

Meredith Oke:

trigger someone speaks to us angrily. Like I get

Meredith Oke:

triggered when people honk at me while I'm

Meredith Oke:

driving. Like it's just for like a full minute

Meredith Oke:

after. I'm just like out of sorts completely. So

Meredith Oke:

what, how do we, how do we manage that?

Terra Martin:

The first thing I do Is I start counting

Terra Martin:

backwards from 10. I go 10, 9. And I slow my

Terra Martin:

breathing down because I want to make sure that

Terra Martin:

my emotional energy is moving slower than theirs.

Terra Martin:

And if mine's moving slower than theirs, theirs

Terra Martin:

goes over my head. Like I don't absorb it into

Terra Martin:

me. So I go 10, breathe, nine. Breathe, eight.

Terra Martin:

And so I make sure that they actually 747 over

Terra Martin:

me, energy wise. Because anger is moving at such

Terra Martin:

a high pitch on the piano that if I'm playing a

Terra Martin:

lower, slower piece, it's not going to connect.

Meredith Oke:

Right, that makes sense.

Terra Martin:

Right, but you have to go, go slow now. But your

Terra Martin:

first instinct when someone yells is to go fast.

Terra Martin:

Yeah, but training yourself to go slow because

Terra Martin:

when you're dealing with emotions and emotional

Terra Martin:

energy, it's a whole different ball game. It's

Terra Martin:

like quantum.

Meredith Oke:

It's.

Terra Martin:

Everything's backwards. It's like Alice through

Terra Martin:

the Looking Glass.

Meredith Oke:

Right, Right. Okay. So also, one interesting

Meredith Oke:

caveat, or not caveat, but bookend to that story,

Meredith Oke:

is that the person who came in and yelled, he

Meredith Oke:

came back at the next meeting and he was like.

Meredith Oke:

And he was like, I'm sorry. Apparently I came off

Meredith Oke:

really angry. Like he had no idea he was yelling.

Terra Martin:

So that tells me two things. He's not an ear

Terra Martin:

person. And he doesn't listen to his own

Terra Martin:

intonation, so he can yell because he doesn't

Terra Martin:

hear it.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Terra Martin:

You know, he doesn't hear his own anger, so he

Terra Martin:

can yell.

Meredith Oke:

He has no idea the effect that he's having.

Terra Martin:

No, no. He might hear other emotions that he says

Terra Martin:

and the intonation, but that's the one that he's

Terra Martin:

tone deaf on.

Meredith Oke:

Interesting. That explains so much too. When you

Meredith Oke:

have like disconnect between people and someone's

Meredith Oke:

feeling super, like, victimized and the other

Meredith Oke:

person's like, I don't understand what your

Meredith Oke:

problem is. I'm not.

Terra Martin:

Well, it was interesting. I had a couple and the

Terra Martin:

wife said, he never listens to me. And the

Terra Martin:

husband said, she never talks to me, she never

Terra Martin:

looks at me. But the truth was he never looked at

Terra Martin:

her because he was an ear person. He was really

Terra Martin:

ear. So she never talked to him because she

Terra Martin:

wanted to be looked at. And then she would have

Terra Martin:

talked to him. So it was just the fights were

Terra Martin:

about who's the ear and who's the eye in the

Terra Martin:

relationship. And it was funny because that's

Terra Martin:

external communication that was creating kind of

Terra Martin:

a bit of war.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Oh, that's so funny. My husband and I

Meredith Oke:

actually have that all the time. He'll be like,

Meredith Oke:

on his phone And I'll be telling him something.

Meredith Oke:

And if it's just something, you know, like

Meredith Oke:

logistical, I don't really notice. But if I want

Meredith Oke:

to tell him something.

Terra Martin:

Yes.

Meredith Oke:

And he's looking at his phone like, I'll just

Meredith Oke:

stop talking. And he's finally. He'll look up and

Meredith Oke:

be like, what? I'm listening. Like, I need you to

Meredith Oke:

look at me. I need you to look at my face while I

Meredith Oke:

say this or it doesn't count. He's like, but I

Meredith Oke:

can still hear you.

Terra Martin:

It's funny because we're all trained as kids to

Terra Martin:

use one sense more than another. And so say

Terra Martin:

musicians use their ears, of course. And yes,

Terra Martin:

they use their eyes, but it's not going to be

Terra Martin:

their goat.

Meredith Oke:

That makes sense because he was a musician too,

Meredith Oke:

in school. Okay.

Terra Martin:

You'd be trained. That's your go to that you

Terra Martin:

would trust. Or it's your familiar sense. And as,

Terra Martin:

as it's familiar, it's your default too. So we

Terra Martin:

had some training that we had to learn to use our

Terra Martin:

unfamiliar sense with people or with clients. We

Terra Martin:

had to. I would blindfold them if they were

Terra Martin:

visual. And, and I say, okay, now talk. And they

Terra Martin:

had a hard time talking because it wasn't

Terra Martin:

familiar to hear their intonation. Or if they

Terra Martin:

were not so visual, I had them cover their ears

Terra Martin:

and they had to look around the room. So it was

Terra Martin:

just to show that everybody has a preferred sense

Terra Martin:

that they're familiar with or they feel safe with.

Meredith Oke:

So cool. Okay. And then so I, I want to talk

Meredith Oke:

about how the hypnosis plays into this. And then

Meredith Oke:

how the hypnosis brought you into like the

Meredith Oke:

applied quantum biology.

Terra Martin:

It plays into it because when people are

Terra Martin:

entranced, their senses become expanded. Everyone

Terra Martin:

thinks that you go deep and you act like a

Terra Martin:

chicken and do that stuff. None of that happens.

Terra Martin:

Your senses become expanded, your skin becomes

Terra Martin:

expanded. You can hear a pin drop at the other

Terra Martin:

side of the room. And what happens is you open

Terra Martin:

the doorway between your subconscious and

Terra Martin:

conscious. So the information that's needed can

Terra Martin:

get through right to your external. So when

Terra Martin:

people are in a light trance, you know, a trance

Terra Martin:

like if you're reading a book and you're not

Terra Martin:

aware of your environment, that's a light trance.

Terra Martin:

So in that state, they can process a lot of

Terra Martin:

information from their subconscious, which

Terra Martin:

without the pain of it. But if they go really

Terra Martin:

deep in trance, they're reliving the pain. And so

Terra Martin:

that's not as useful because they've already had

Terra Martin:

the pain, they don't need to repeat it, but they

Terra Martin:

need to open the doorway for the information to

Terra Martin:

pass through. And that's how it's used. But also

Terra Martin:

they need to open the doorway to see who they are

Terra Martin:

on their external rather than who they think they

Terra Martin:

are.

Meredith Oke:

So it's like opening the portal between the

Meredith Oke:

conscious and the subconscious to free that

Meredith Oke:

little piece of ourselves. That's on that

Meredith Oke:

treadmill.

Terra Martin:

Yeah, that's on the treadmill, exactly. The

Terra Martin:

information can flow forward easier.

Meredith Oke:

And what's your experience like in terms of

Meredith Oke:

people getting over things?

Terra Martin:

Like, I've had lots of experiences of people. How

Terra Martin:

they get there is very different. There was one

Terra Martin:

lady who had been on Valium for years. I think 30

Terra Martin:

years she had been on Valium. And she came to the

Terra Martin:

office, and it was a new office I just rented.

Terra Martin:

And she came in and she goes, I want to clear

Terra Martin:

this. I'm fed up with being afraid. I'm fed up. I

Terra Martin:

said, okay, close your eyes. Where do you feel it

Terra Martin:

in the body? And she went into it. And all of a

Terra Martin:

sudden she let out this primeval scream, right?

Terra Martin:

And I went, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my

Terra Martin:

lease. I'm going to get kicked out of the

Terra Martin:

building. She didn't stop for 30 minutes. She did

Terra Martin:

this scream for 30 minutes. And I thought, I

Terra Martin:

don't want to stop her because I know I don't

Terra Martin:

want to cut that energy. I go, oh, I'll find

Terra Martin:

another office. Okay. And so then what happened

Terra Martin:

is when she came out of it, she goes, oh, I feel

Terra Martin:

so much better. The next day she called me. She

Terra Martin:

goes, I can't talk. And I go, I'm not surprised.

Terra Martin:

She goes, what I didn't tell you was I've been on

Terra Martin:

Valium for 30 years, and I've been pressing down

Terra Martin:

my emotions, and this felt so good. And now I

Terra Martin:

think I'm going to throw away my. My Valium,

Terra Martin:

right? And I went, okay. And she goes, do you

Terra Martin:

still have your office? And I go, yeah, so far.

Terra Martin:

But it was just, you know, that was how she chose

Terra Martin:

to deal with it.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, that's. I was going to say, so that, like,

Meredith Oke:

there was no prompting on your part. You just

Meredith Oke:

opened the portal and she started to scream. That

Meredith Oke:

was what her body wanted to do.

Terra Martin:

Right. And that's just. It's about the body,

Terra Martin:

actually, you're right. That's a good point. It's

Terra Martin:

what the body wants to do. Hypnosis allows the

Terra Martin:

body to do what it needs to do, but it won't

Terra Martin:

always be logical, right? And it'll be like, as a

Terra Martin:

therapist, you got to go, hang on, we're going

Terra Martin:

for a ride here. And then just let it happen.

Terra Martin:

Because it's not my direction that guides it.

Terra Martin:

It's her body's direction or their bodies,

Terra Martin:

Whoever it is, the body knows the bottom line.

Terra Martin:

The body knows.

Meredith Oke:

Right, Right.

Terra Martin:

Because in any trauma, wherever the body's been

Terra Martin:

touched, say if someone's been raped, the skin

Terra Martin:

has recorded every single touch that's happened.

Terra Martin:

And so it's replaying the information all the

Terra Martin:

time on the cellular level. And when you clear it

Terra Martin:

out, which is what quantum seems to do, because

Terra Martin:

that was another piece that I was missing. You

Terra Martin:

know, when they use sunlight, circadian rhythm,

Terra Martin:

then everything that I've done comes into a

Terra Martin:

greater play. And physically, they get clearer on

Terra Martin:

their cells because the sunlight helps so much to.

Meredith Oke:

Really. Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense to

Meredith Oke:

me. But I'm curious about to hear your

Meredith Oke:

observations on that.

Terra Martin:

Well, my observation is once they are clear of,

Terra Martin:

say, a client of mine bombs in Lebanon, when he

Terra Martin:

grew up, he was afraid of light. He was afraid of

Terra Martin:

the dark. And once we worked on clearing light

Terra Martin:

and dark through CBT and hypnosis, then I gave

Terra Martin:

him just the simple rules of quantum that I found

Terra Martin:

in January when I was, you know, January winter

Terra Martin:

cohort. And he followed them. He didn't want to

Terra Martin:

know why or how. He just followed what I gave him

Terra Martin:

and what you guys gave me. And honestly, he

Terra Martin:

became a whole different person. It just brought

Terra Martin:

it more physical and more physical. So now he's.

Terra Martin:

He's wearing red, you know, the blue blocking

Terra Martin:

glasses. He's doing cold therapy. He's got

Terra Martin:

grounding sheets. And he is like a different

Terra Martin:

person because he's not snappy, he's not jumpy.

Terra Martin:

Even though he was clear, there was still

Terra Martin:

triggers to take him back. But the quantum

Terra Martin:

grounded him in his body. Right. And he stayed

Terra Martin:

there. He didn't go back and forth in time.

Meredith Oke:

Right. Because the trauma is held in that

Meredith Oke:

structured water and optimizing our circadian

Meredith Oke:

rhythms and grounding.

Terra Martin:

Right, right. So he could realize where he was,

Terra Martin:

that he was clear, but he could also ground more

Terra Martin:

that he was free. Not only clear, but there's,

Terra Martin:

you know, when you're clear, it's one thing, but

Terra Martin:

you always think, am I going to go back there? Am

Terra Martin:

I going to feel that again? And this grounding

Terra Martin:

process and the sunlight and circadian rhythm

Terra Martin:

really changed that for him. It made him trust

Terra Martin:

his body and say, you got this. You're not going

Terra Martin:

to go back there. And so he became just mellow,

Terra Martin:

like in incredibly mellow. And it was within. I

Terra Martin:

was taking the course at the time, so this was

Terra Martin:

just new stuff for me. In January and over the

Terra Martin:

four, four or five weeks, he did this turnaround.

Terra Martin:

And I said, I am so in on this quantum stuff.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, that's great, because. Yeah. I mean, as

Meredith Oke:

you've been saying, like, it's all quantum. The

Meredith Oke:

hypnosis, the emdr, the. The emotions, like, all

Meredith Oke:

of it. But it's these connecting that to our

Meredith Oke:

physical environment and the kind of light that

Meredith Oke:

we are exposed to and the quality of darkness

Meredith Oke:

that we get. Has, in your experience, shifted

Meredith Oke:

your clients.

Terra Martin:

Well, it shifted them from. You know, you can

Terra Martin:

clear three quarters of the way of a trauma, but

Terra Martin:

it still has to come to the senses and has to

Terra Martin:

come to the body. And when they do reset their

Terra Martin:

circadian rhythm, that aligns everything for the

Terra Martin:

change to kick in in a very physical way. Right.

Terra Martin:

It's not just under the surface anymore. It

Terra Martin:

becomes part of their external. So their neural

Terra Martin:

pathways are no longer saying, I need to go to

Terra Martin:

the past to protect myself. They go, I need to go

Terra Martin:

to the sun to protect myself. I need to wear blue

Terra Martin:

blocking glasses to protect myself. I need to

Terra Martin:

reevaluate people that cause me stress. It

Terra Martin:

grounds them here and then they stay there. And

Terra Martin:

once they're in there now, then the past gets

Terra Martin:

weaker. Weaker. Weaker as a message and as. As a

Terra Martin:

text message or as an email. It gets dissipated

Terra Martin:

the longer they stay in the moment. Right, right.

Meredith Oke:

That's really profound and makes sense because

Meredith Oke:

one of, like, my personal experience, you know,

Meredith Oke:

regulating my circadian rhythm, like, yes, I felt

Meredith Oke:

better. I had more energy. My sleep completely

Meredith Oke:

changed. But I also, yes, as you said, developed

Meredith Oke:

an awareness of myself and time and space.

Terra Martin:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

That I did not have before, and an awareness of

Meredith Oke:

my, you know, connection to the earth and the

Meredith Oke:

cosmos and the directions. You know, like, I now

Meredith Oke:

am always aware where the east and the west is

Meredith Oke:

because I pay attention to the sun and there.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, there has definitely been deep emotional

Meredith Oke:

and spiritual shifts Right. From that practice,

Meredith Oke:

which really just started out as, like, my sleep

Meredith Oke:

is so crap and I'm. And I have chronic fatigue.

Terra Martin:

Right, right. It's just magic. When we go back

Terra Martin:

to, you know, it takes them back to their

Terra Martin:

authentic body, and then the body voice becomes

Terra Martin:

stronger than the voice of their trauma.

Meredith Oke:

The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of

Meredith Oke:

the trauma. That's good. So it's not like the

Meredith Oke:

trauma disappears, but it's. It's like, oh, that.

Terra Martin:

Yeah, it's just a memory that you go. That old

Terra Martin:

thing.

Meredith Oke:

Right.

Terra Martin:

Yeah, it Becomes a memory. But not now. It's not

Terra Martin:

attached to the now. And you're so involved with

Terra Martin:

your body by doing the protocols, that these

Terra Martin:

protocols take precedence. You know, like sun in

Terra Martin:

the morning takes precedence. Cold therapy takes

Terra Martin:

precedence. Grounding takes precedence. Respect

Terra Martin:

for the body takes precedence. It's the focus.

Terra Martin:

Not the past becomes the focus. The now, you

Terra Martin:

know, the miracle that the body is takes

Terra Martin:

precedence.

Meredith Oke:

Wow, that's so beautiful. This is a way of

Meredith Oke:

looking at it that I hadn't fully considered. Is

Meredith Oke:

there anything else you want to say on that? The

Meredith Oke:

sunlight and the darkness.

Terra Martin:

I did it with several people. And sometimes cold

Terra Martin:

therapy works for depression better than, you

Terra Martin:

know, there were certain applications, and I

Terra Martin:

don't know enough yet because I haven't done

Terra Martin:

enough clients with this modality. But I find for

Terra Martin:

people that are afraid of light, it's a little

Terra Martin:

bit longer process. You got to clear them of

Terra Martin:

light and then desensitize them to morning light.

Terra Martin:

So if someone's not afraid of light, I can almost

Terra Martin:

go, do this, do this, do this, do this. And the

Terra Martin:

protocol you guys have given, and they will do it

Terra Martin:

now, a lot of them don't want to know what it

Terra Martin:

means, how it means, and they just want to do it.

Terra Martin:

And I go, fair enough, just do it. Right? And

Terra Martin:

then they report back to me the changes that have

Terra Martin:

occurred and how they lose their fatigue and how

Terra Martin:

they lose. Somebody lost hives. They had hives

Terra Martin:

and they lost the hives. Some had immune disorder

Terra Martin:

and it disappeared. It kind of, you know, changed

Terra Martin:

the more light they got. And you can't explain

Terra Martin:

it. It's just, I think it's nature. It's body.

Terra Martin:

It's body talking to nature, body talking to

Terra Martin:

circadian rhythm. I think there's a whole world

Terra Martin:

there, which you call quantum, that heals the

Terra Martin:

body and brings it back to its true setting, how

Terra Martin:

it's supposed to function. But is it totally

Terra Martin:

explainable? No. Does it happen? Yes. Are there

Terra Martin:

results? Yes, the results are there. I think the

Terra Martin:

science has to catch up with it. But I believe in

Terra Martin:

the results. I don't care, you know, if there's

Terra Martin:

results, then it counts to me.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Yes. And for each person that benefits, that

Meredith Oke:

that's a piece of evidence, whether it's in a

Meredith Oke:

double blind study or not. It's that person has a

Meredith Oke:

changed life.

Terra Martin:

But there hasn't been one client that I've given

Terra Martin:

them the information that they haven't benefited

Terra Martin:

to a small degree, to medium degree, to a large

Terra Martin:

degree. So to me, sold. It's the way to go. And

Terra Martin:

plus, it's away from the medical. Which we could

Terra Martin:

talk for hours on that one, too.

Meredith Oke:

We sure could. So just to wrap up your, you know,

Meredith Oke:

approach to working with people, sort of. It's a

Meredith Oke:

combination of hypnosis plus other modalities

Meredith Oke:

you've now brought in. Circadian regulation,

Meredith Oke:

grounding, cold therapy when appropriate. I love

Meredith Oke:

this. And I'm just curious, when people come to

Meredith Oke:

you, do they come. Like, I often talk to people

Meredith Oke:

when they're trying to, you know, write copy for

Meredith Oke:

potential clients, and I'm like, you know, it's

Meredith Oke:

like, speak to the problem. No, no. That they're

Meredith Oke:

experiencing. So do people come in with, like,

Meredith Oke:

what are the most common things? Right, Like, I

Meredith Oke:

want to stop smoking. I want to stop yelling at

Meredith Oke:

my kids like, I'm broke all the time. Or do they

Meredith Oke:

come in and say, I want to heal this trauma that

Meredith Oke:

happened to me?

Terra Martin:

They're never that direct. Generally, they come

Terra Martin:

in and say, I have a problem with my mother. So

Terra Martin:

then I know it's generally the father. They say,

Terra Martin:

I am never afraid of anything, which means

Terra Martin:

they're afraid of a lot. But there's certain

Terra Martin:

common things that are stress. Like lately, you

Terra Martin:

know, in the last five years, it's a lot of

Terra Martin:

stress, work stress. Covid has its. You know,

Terra Martin:

people are still afraid of COVID and the

Terra Martin:

aftermath of not having friends for two years. A

Terra Martin:

whole bunch of stuff is created from COVID as far

Terra Martin:

as emotional problems. But the average person now

Terra Martin:

is more. I used to see a lot of cases, heavy duty

Terra Martin:

cases, but I've tapered it down to more

Terra Martin:

educational stuff. Now people who want to get

Terra Martin:

educated on their stress and want to, you know,

Terra Martin:

live a fuller life, a richer life. So if it's.

Terra Martin:

It's a different kind of clientele I've had from

Terra Martin:

the early days where I was kind of in a. In a

Terra Martin:

medical clinic and taking the doctor's leftovers,

Terra Martin:

and they say, well, we. We're finished with, you

Terra Martin:

know, experimenting on them. They're yours now.

Terra Martin:

And I go, oh, gee, thanks. Right.

Meredith Oke:

What medical clinic? Like, what was that?

Terra Martin:

It was. It was OHIP clinic, you know. Ohip.

Meredith Oke:

Mm.

Terra Martin:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

So OHIP for people who aren't from Ontario, Is it

Meredith Oke:

the Ontario Health Insurance Clinic Program?

Terra Martin:

And we. We. We were hired as. My husband and I at

Terra Martin:

the time, were hired as the hypnotherapist in the

Terra Martin:

clinic. And, you know, OHIP would bill for us,

Terra Martin:

and we would see what they gave us. And it was

Terra Martin:

about. We were working about 12 hours a day, and

Terra Martin:

we got everything that kind of they didn't want

Terra Martin:

or they were done with. And so at the time, this

Terra Martin:

was in the. This was in the late, late 80s. Yeah,

Terra Martin:

it was the late 80s. And so hypnotherapy at that

Terra Martin:

time in Toronto was still kind of like, you know,

Terra Martin:

woo, woo.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. I'm shocked OHIP even had you on staff.

Terra Martin:

So are we. So, so what we did is we had the front

Terra Martin:

office, which was all glass, and we would.

Terra Martin:

Whenever we brought a client in, we'd pull the

Terra Martin:

curtains. So it was like hypnotherapy in the, in,

Terra Martin:

in the closet, so to speak. And then we would

Terra Martin:

work with them. And one lady came and she had a

Terra Martin:

lump on her neck the size of an orange, and her

Terra Martin:

husband had been a pain in the neck for many

Terra Martin:

years. So we worked with metaphors and we worked

Terra Martin:

with, you know, her breathing and her techniques

Terra Martin:

and. And then after four weeks, the lump went

Terra Martin:

flat because she was no longer angry. She went

Terra Martin:

back to school, she made something of herself,

Terra Martin:

and he fell back in love with her and was happy

Terra Martin:

ever after. But the doctors wanted to know the

Terra Martin:

scientific. How did that happen and what did we

Terra Martin:

do? And we couldn't begin to explain it because

Terra Martin:

she was doing it, we were facilitating it, and we

Terra Martin:

were left there going, you know, we said to her,

Terra Martin:

if you tell anybody that you're fixed, we're

Terra Martin:

gonna. We know where you live. So it was, it was

Terra Martin:

a, A different time in a different place in the

Terra Martin:

80s to do that sort of thing and get results and

Terra Martin:

still be working in the medical profession. So we

Terra Martin:

did it only for about a year because then we went

Terra Martin:

into private practice. But it was a tough year

Terra Martin:

because we were doing some amazing stuff. But it

Terra Martin:

wasn't recognized as amazing. It was recognized

Terra Martin:

as more just fluke or last resort.

Meredith Oke:

Right, right.

Terra Martin:

But it was a fabulous training ground to push us

Terra Martin:

right into private practice, which is what we

Terra Martin:

did. Right.

Meredith Oke:

Perfect. Yeah. You're all set up. I know. I'm

Meredith Oke:

trying to imagine that conversation. Well, how

Meredith Oke:

did you do that?

Terra Martin:

Well, exactly.

Meredith Oke:

And you know, the thing that I find interesting

Meredith Oke:

is that the science is catching up. I think there

Meredith Oke:

probably is enough science to explain these types

Meredith Oke:

of things, but they still don't care. It's like,

Meredith Oke:

Right. We could show them a mountain of work on

Meredith Oke:

Gilbert Ling or May Wen Ho or structured water

Meredith Oke:

and frequency and vibration and the energy

Meredith Oke:

bodies. And it's still like, they'll be like, oh,

Meredith Oke:

well, it wasn't in this type of study, or you

Meredith Oke:

didn't do this kind of thing, or there's always a

Meredith Oke:

Reason, because their minds are just not going to

Meredith Oke:

accept.

Terra Martin:

Exactly. When I first found your site, I go, I

Terra Martin:

know this. I felt like this. I know what this is.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, I love it. Yeah. And so many people,

Meredith Oke:

especially, you know, people from, from a more

Meredith Oke:

medical or biochemical, you know, even if they're

Meredith Oke:

a naturopath field, they're, they're very

Meredith Oke:

intrigued by the idea of quantum biology. But

Meredith Oke:

people from your world are like, oh, of course,

Meredith Oke:

you're just putting words to it. There's just

Meredith Oke:

language to explain what's happening.

Terra Martin:

Well, it's funny. Hypnotherapy in those days

Terra Martin:

wasn't hooga booga, but it wasn't medical. So we

Terra Martin:

really didn't have a place to a group. We didn't

Terra Martin:

have a peer group really because neither group

Terra Martin:

wanted us. The medical didn't want us for sure

Terra Martin:

because we were getting results and the hooka

Terra Martin:

boogas didn't want us because we weren't hooka

Terra Martin:

booga enough. We were more.

Meredith Oke:

You're not woo woo enough.

Terra Martin:

So we didn't make the grade either way.

Meredith Oke:

Well, I think it worked out because you seems to

Meredith Oke:

have developed just an incredible approach and

Meredith Oke:

techniques combining like a very. So many unique

Meredith Oke:

aspects of yourself and your work. And so now is

Meredith Oke:

the. The part where I ask you to share how people

Meredith Oke:

can find you. But.

Terra Martin:

I'm word of mouth. I'm word of mouth.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. So I was gonna say, I'm sorry to say there

Meredith Oke:

is, there are no socials, there is no website.

Meredith Oke:

Tara is OG OG word of mouth. So I don't know what

Meredith Oke:

to say. Is there any way you want, anything you

Meredith Oke:

want to say for people? If they want to work with

Meredith Oke:

you.

Terra Martin:

They can contact me and I can do it online. Like

Terra Martin:

I can. Do you.

Meredith Oke:

Do you work virtually?

Terra Martin:

I. I work digitally, yeah. They can do it online.

Terra Martin:

They'd have to. I can give them an email.

Meredith Oke:

They can say, okay, you know what we'll do? You

Meredith Oke:

can. We'll make sure that you're set up with a

Meredith Oke:

profile in the QVC free community.

Terra Martin:

Yep.

Meredith Oke:

So if you go to the QVC free community, which you

Meredith Oke:

can join through qbcpod.com just click free

Meredith Oke:

community and people listening. If you don't have

Meredith Oke:

an account, set one up. It's free and it's a

Meredith Oke:

great way to find people like Tara and all the

Meredith Oke:

other guests that I've had on the podcast. So if

Meredith Oke:

you go in there and you click in and you type in

Meredith Oke:

Tara T E R R A, her profile will come up and that

Meredith Oke:

will put your private. Your contact information

Meredith Oke:

in there.

Terra Martin:

Oh, I passed my boards.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, congratulations.

Terra Martin:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Board certified. Applied Quantum Biology

Meredith Oke:

practitioner.

Terra Martin:

Absolutely. Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

This is so exciting. Well, I look forward to

Meredith Oke:

doing another interview with you down the road to

Meredith Oke:

hear hear how it's all coming together and what

Meredith Oke:

new insights you've had. Thank you so much.

Terra Martin:

Thank you.

Meredith Oke:

This was super fun.

Terra Martin:

Been a pleasure. Thank you.

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