134: Jay & Jaydee Azavari - Living in Rhythm: Family Sovereignty & The Cycles of Nature

Meredith Oke: 00:05:00

Welcome, J. And J. Diaz Vari. I'm really

Meredith Oke: 00:05:03

delighted to have you on the QVC podcast.

Jay Azavari: 00:05:07

Thank you.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:05:07

Thanks for having us.

Meredith Oke: 00:05:10

Okay, so there's. So there are so many things

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that we could talk about. You both bring, like,

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just a wealth of wisdom and experience in so many

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different areas, from music to health and

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healing, to running nature schools to

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homeschooling. So let's start with an area that,

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you know, our audience is familiar with, which is

Meredith Oke: 00:05:33

applied Quantum biology. Putting these principles

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into practice. So you've both been digging into

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this. J.D. you just got certified in Applied

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Quantum biology. So tell us, how did you end up

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there on your long and winding road?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:05:50

Well, I think both of us have always been the

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type of person that's looking for more, like,

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continuing to see what's behind the curtain, or.

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I know that there's other aspects to the story

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that aren't being revealed to me front and

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center. And through that, it's really, like,

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shaped an incredible, unique journey throughout

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our entire lives. And it's also what brought us

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together. I mean, I was working with what. What

Jaydee Azavari: 00:06:17

was language is quantum midwifery, which I do

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think is a little bit different than quantum

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biology now in relation to, like, looking back

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over the last couple decades. But it was quantum

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midwifery and then the quantum aspects of music

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that we were bridging into a homeschool

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curriculum. That's how we found out we liked each

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other and that we were like, hey, let's do things

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together. But it's been, you know, becoming more

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and more refined. And I do think that going

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through the course this past semester or season

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has really brought a lot of clarification to what

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quantum biology is for us and also, like, a new

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way to language and integrate what we've been

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doing with nature, mostly in children.

Jay Azavari: 00:07:03

Yeah, I mean, I see the quantum biology as a

Jay Azavari: 00:07:09

framework to ground a lot of these concepts.

Jay Azavari: 00:07:13

There's been a large mystical component to my

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worldview for a long time that's been shaped by

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music, vibration, spirituality, you know,

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shamanic explorations, altered states of

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consciousness. And it does link back to a lot of

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ancient wisdom. But what's really great about

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when JD Started to get more information and

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really dive into the quantum biology, it was a

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landing place for a lot of these things to really

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be articulated in a new language. And, you know,

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it ties everything together. And so there's a lot

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of things that we've been doing with the school

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and with both of our own pursuits and how we've

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been raising our children and how we've been

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living close to the land and you know, as a

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family that really tie together with a lot of the

Jay Azavari: 00:08:08

quantum biological principles. So it's, it's

Jay Azavari: 00:08:11

really cool to see how that has showed up in our

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lives.

Meredith Oke: 00:08:16

I love this. I'm like getting body chills because

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that was, that's like exactly how I see it. It's

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like a bridge the scientific language and that

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being able to explain mechanisms of action on a

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quantum level inside living systems is like a

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bridge into everything in a mystical world that

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is so difficult to articulate in a materialist

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society.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:08:51

The outdoor nature based program that we were

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running has closed and we've been working in the

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last several months to design and develop what

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we're going to be launching into and offering

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next. And I have these moments, oh, if I would

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have been able to articulate some of these

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quantum biological principles and components

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during our school time, it would have been like

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so much more impactful for parents truly to get

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into more of what happens at night with light

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versus just having your child out in the sunshine

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in the day. That's one example. But yeah, through

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looking at our next steps, it's really incredible

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to just know that we can continue to share this

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information and, and yeah, it's been exciting in

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that process developing what's coming next. But I

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mean personally, quantum biology was a key

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component for my own health journey. And that's

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how I found your program and the website and all

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the information and things that you do was

Jaydee Azavari: 00:09:53

looking through how to continue to build my

Jaydee Azavari: 00:09:56

resilience and health after having five babies

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and living a pretty like go go type, a type

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lifestyle for a woman for you know, most of my

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adult life. So that also continued to really help

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our lives, I guess, like help us, help me have

Jaydee Azavari: 00:10:15

even just like energy again. And it was so, you

Jaydee Azavari: 00:10:20

know, it's so simple, but it's so profound at the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:10:23

same time.

Meredith Oke: 00:10:26

Yes. And I think that that's worth digging into a

Meredith Oke: 00:10:31

little because I know.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:10:34

So.

Meredith Oke: 00:10:34

Many of us men and women, we come to new

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realizations about light and other things and we

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integrate all of the things and we're doing all

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of the things. But that component you mentioned

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of the go, go, go, right, the pushing, pushing,

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pushing. And Sarah Kleiner's written about this

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recently on her blog. It's like if our life is

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like feeling that feeling of push, of stressful

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pushing, it will knock us out of balance even if

Meredith Oke: 00:11:15

we're doing all of the things, quote unquote

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correctly. So I think it's, it's good that you

Meredith Oke: 00:11:20

Brought that up and like had the two of you

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running a school where everyone was bringing

Meredith Oke: 00:11:24

their children to your property and you were, you

Meredith Oke: 00:11:26

know, like, that's full on.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:11:30

It never stopped. And you throw like three or

Jaydee Azavari: 00:11:35

four horses into the mix and nine to 12 goats

Jaydee Azavari: 00:11:40

depending on the day, and a whole gaggle of

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chickens. And, you know, it's even a little bit

Jaydee Azavari: 00:11:45

more exciting.

Meredith Oke: 00:11:48

Tell us how you ended up doing that. So just to

Meredith Oke: 00:11:51

set the stage, the two of you were homeschooling

Meredith Oke: 00:11:54

parents. And then you decide you created like a

Meredith Oke: 00:11:59

curriculum or created a. I don't know, created a

Meredith Oke: 00:12:04

place for parents to bring their children for a

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nature based aspect to their education. And you

Meredith Oke: 00:12:14

ran. The two of you ran that we did with all the

Meredith Oke: 00:12:16

kids every day. Tell us about that.

Jay Azavari: 00:12:19

I would say just to start. Is that so six kids

Jay Azavari: 00:12:23

ranging right. Currently, right now from six up

Jay Azavari: 00:12:25

to 22 or almost 22.

Meredith Oke: 00:12:28

Okay, so you have six children. The youngest is

Meredith Oke: 00:12:31

six. The oldest is 22. Yeah, love it.

Jay Azavari: 00:12:34

So over the years that we've been together, we've

Jay Azavari: 00:12:37

been involved in a lot of different schooling

Jay Azavari: 00:12:41

layouts. We've done homeschooling, we've done

Jay Azavari: 00:12:44

Waldorf, we've done unschooling, wilderness

Jay Azavari: 00:12:47

schooling, a little bit of charter public school,

Jay Azavari: 00:12:51

a little bit of private school. We've tried a lot

Jay Azavari: 00:12:53

of different things. And so in 2020, everybody

Jay Azavari: 00:12:56

went virtual. Things went haywire for our family

Jay Azavari: 00:13:01

because we had all these kids doing computer

Jay Azavari: 00:13:03

stuff.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:03

We didn't have enough rooms or enough computers.

Jay Azavari: 00:13:05

We didn't.

Meredith Oke: 00:13:06

Yeah, right. Yeah.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:07

Bathroom. Like for real. Taking a test one day

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:10

because we had to, like, close the door and you

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:12

know.

Meredith Oke: 00:13:13

Oh, my God.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:14

Just many people.

Meredith Oke: 00:13:16

Yes.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:18

Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:13:19

And you couldn't even. I remember, like, trying

Meredith Oke: 00:13:21

to order an extra desk.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:23

Yeah. Online.

Meredith Oke: 00:13:24

And there were none. Yeah, right there. There

Meredith Oke: 00:13:28

were no desks to be had when shoving them into

Meredith Oke: 00:13:30

different corners.

Jay Azavari: 00:13:32

So, yeah, real state of flux with exploring what

Jay Azavari: 00:13:37

needed for many years. And so it was. It was

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subject to change every semester or every year or

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sometimes midstream. And so at the time we, most

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of our kids were in actual school programs.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:53

Our oldest was dual enrolled at the community

Jaydee Azavari: 00:13:55

college. Then we had two middle school private

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school kids and then two kids who had been going

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:02

to the Waldorf school. And the. Well, the oldest

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:07

went virtual right away, like through the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:09

community college. The private school took a

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:11

little bit longer, and then the Waldorf school

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:13

just kind of stopped everything for a while. And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:15

they're like, oh, this isn't changing. There was

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:17

like about a month where they were doing Waldorf

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:20

school online, which is one of the things I've

Jaydee Azavari: 00:14:24

ever.

Meredith Oke: 00:14:24

But that is. It's completely antithetical to the

Meredith Oke: 00:14:26

whole thing. Yeah, we had. My youngest was in

Meredith Oke: 00:14:29

kindergarten and it was a public school, but I

Meredith Oke: 00:14:32

picked it because they had just a really

Meredith Oke: 00:14:34

beautiful nature based kindergarten program with

Meredith Oke: 00:14:37

a teacher who spent most of the time taking the

Meredith Oke: 00:14:40

kids on walks to look at birds. And yeah, when it

Meredith Oke: 00:14:45

went virtual, he couldn't function. Right. Like

Meredith Oke: 00:14:49

there were. It would just for people who are so

Meredith Oke: 00:14:53

used to experiential nature based learning,

Meredith Oke: 00:14:57

switching to zoom must have just been like. I

Meredith Oke: 00:15:00

mean, I felt so bad for him. It was because.

Meredith Oke: 00:15:03

Yeah, like that doesn't translate to the virtual

Meredith Oke: 00:15:07

world.

Jay Azavari: 00:15:08

No, it doesn't.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:09

And so, you know, time went on and another school

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:12

year began after that initial like, okay.

Meredith Oke: 00:15:15

And so did the Waldorf just. They just kind of

Meredith Oke: 00:15:18

were like, we're gonna close till this is over.

Meredith Oke: 00:15:21

Or they tried. Or they tried to do virtual, but.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:24

It'S like they did virtual and this.

Meredith Oke: 00:15:26

The opposite of what they're good at.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:27

Yeah, yeah, for about a month. And then summer

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:29

vacation occurred and then it was about 2021. In

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:32

the fall.

Jay Azavari: 00:15:33

No, it was 2020. It was the fall of 2020. And so

Jay Azavari: 00:15:36

they actually came and set up classrooms here on

Jay Azavari: 00:15:40

our land.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:40

This was before our school because they were to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:45

work outside of some of the regulations in North

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:47

Carolina, literally by putting tents outdoors

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:51

because then they wouldn't have to have the same

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indoor type regulations. But that only lasted for

Jaydee Azavari: 00:15:57

a few months until another mandate came that said

Jaydee Azavari: 00:16:01

you had to do certain things even if you were

Jaydee Azavari: 00:16:02

outdoors. And at that point there were several

Jaydee Azavari: 00:16:07

more months left in that school year. But. And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:16:09

then we were like, we're not going to do this

Jaydee Azavari: 00:16:11

anymore. And many of the families were like, no,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:16:13

this is, this is not aligned for us. And that's

Jaydee Azavari: 00:16:15

what propelled our program to start.

Jay Azavari: 00:16:20

Yeah, it really revealed the kind of dividing

Jay Azavari: 00:16:24

lines within the different parents in the

Jay Azavari: 00:16:26

community here and wanting to continue to push

Jay Azavari: 00:16:29

towards doing in person schooling despite what

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any of the mandates said and others didn't want

Jay Azavari: 00:16:37

to go in that direction. So that was really what

Jay Azavari: 00:16:39

laid the ground for us to then start ATA. And so

Jay Azavari: 00:16:43

in the leading up to 2021 was when we were

Jay Azavari: 00:16:50

building a lot of momentum towards the beginning

Jay Azavari: 00:16:52

of the Appalachian Academy of Therapeutic Arts,

Jay Azavari: 00:16:55

which was ada. And so that was JD and I

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responding to what seemed like there was no

Jay Azavari: 00:17:02

schools left anymore that would work for our

Jay Azavari: 00:17:05

family. And then meeting other families, having

Jay Azavari: 00:17:07

in depth conversations over several months of

Jay Azavari: 00:17:11

what can we do? And so it began this really wild

Jay Azavari: 00:17:16

cascade of people coming together. And also a

Jay Azavari: 00:17:21

real, like, crash course in education for us

Jay Azavari: 00:17:26

around this idea of sovereignty and operating

Jay Azavari: 00:17:29

privately versus being beholden to some of the

Jay Azavari: 00:17:33

public systems and overseeing bodies. So it

Jay Azavari: 00:17:37

really sped things up for us to try and figure

Jay Azavari: 00:17:42

stuff out as quickly as possible. But ultimately

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it was really just responding to the external

Jay Azavari: 00:17:50

circumstance of having the space and the

Jay Azavari: 00:17:54

willingness to say, yes, let's do this. And so we

Jay Azavari: 00:17:56

kind of figured it out along the way.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:18:00

And used the head.

Meredith Oke: 00:18:03

I love this. And I, like, this is, I mean, this

Meredith Oke: 00:18:06

is, to me, a story of innovation in action.

Meredith Oke: 00:18:10

There's like a major disruptive event or force,

Meredith Oke: 00:18:13

and it's like, how are we going to respond? Are

Meredith Oke: 00:18:16

we going to crumble and fold? Are we going to

Meredith Oke: 00:18:20

pretend that it's a good thing and go along with

Meredith Oke: 00:18:23

it, or are we going to allow it to spark up our

Meredith Oke: 00:18:27

creativity and create an option that we wouldn't

Meredith Oke: 00:18:29

have thought of if this hadn't happened? And you

Meredith Oke: 00:18:32

guys did that third thing by starting your own

Meredith Oke: 00:18:35

school. And this whole conversation is like such

Meredith Oke: 00:18:37

a. Like, I think I blocked out how, how deeply

Meredith Oke: 00:18:45

controlling and intrusive the policies were in

Meredith Oke: 00:18:49

20, 20 and 21. Like, when what you're saying is

Meredith Oke: 00:18:54

like reminding me. And if people didn't have

Meredith Oke: 00:18:56

school age children, it might not have seemed

Meredith Oke: 00:18:58

like a really big deal, but it was really, really

Meredith Oke: 00:19:02

bad. And I. And we, we chose to. We moved to

Meredith Oke: 00:19:08

Louisiana for a year so our kids could go to

Meredith Oke: 00:19:11

school. We had been relocated to the Midwest when

Meredith Oke: 00:19:14

this all went down. So, yeah, it was definitely a

Meredith Oke: 00:19:18

defining moment of, you know, like a major choice

Meredith Oke: 00:19:25

point of how to move forward. Okay, so. So you

Meredith Oke: 00:19:28

guys were like, all right, so all of the schools

Meredith Oke: 00:19:32

have basically been imploded or erased or

Meredith Oke: 00:19:36

regulated within an inch of their lives to the

Meredith Oke: 00:19:38

point that we don't want our children involved.

Meredith Oke: 00:19:40

So we're gonna make our own school on our own

Meredith Oke: 00:19:43

property. Like, what happened next?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:19:48

Well, we had to make big decisions around

Jaydee Azavari: 00:19:51

logistics. I mean, that took a lot, like, how

Jaydee Azavari: 00:19:53

long does our day go? How many kids do we have?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:19:55

What curriculum do we use? So it was fun in that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:19:59

sense where we kind of got to create exactly what

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:01

we'd always wanted, maybe for our children. And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:05

first and foremost, it was being outdoors and not

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:08

just like indoor school outside, but, like, be on

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:13

the land, cold, wind in your face, regardless of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:17

if you wanted to be in it or not. Rain, heat, all

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:22

the things that can challenge our, like, really

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:26

tiny bubble of an ecosystem that we so often live

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:30

inside of. And it does it challenges you. It

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:33

still challenges me to want to be like, no, you

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:35

have to go out today. And I'm like, oh my God,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:37

it's cold. But really helping to again, take it

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:40

back to this element of resiliency. What really

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:43

helps us be healthy, the simplest things, yet

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:46

maybe the harder things because of how we've

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:49

developed into this, like, very interesting

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:52

society at this point. But yeah, so we had a lot

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:56

of land and we just said, okay, we're going to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:20:58

start with everybody being outdoors. We on

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:02

building some timber frame, pavilion type

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:06

structures for a bit of shelter, milling a lot of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:10

wood from our land. Those, I mean, those are

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:13

still even today with where we're at being built

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:15

to some degree. We didn't have a lot of money to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:19

make this thing happen. It was very much boots on

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:21

the ground. So then we chose curriculum based

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:25

within the Waldorf construct. And also a lot of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:28

our children have done nature programs that were

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:31

based on like the eight shields model. So we

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:34

brought in some primitive skills and things like

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:37

that, and then foundational academics, very.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:39

Which, you know, that ties into how Waldorf

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:42

approaches academics, but really like basics of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:44

math and reading and how to apply those things on

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:48

a daily basis and in the way that you live in the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:50

world. And then we had this aspect that we called

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:53

therapeutic arts, which was bringing in different

Jaydee Azavari: 00:21:57

types of modalities to help develop the character

Jaydee Azavari: 00:22:00

of the person. And also it's like the opposite of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:22:04

developing character. It's like allowing that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:22:06

human who's here to always be the human they're

Jaydee Azavari: 00:22:09

supposed to be and foster that rather than

Jaydee Azavari: 00:22:11

shaping them into what an outside idea of them

Jaydee Azavari: 00:22:16

should be.

Jay Azavari: 00:22:17

I mean, I feel like we had this idea that we

Jay Azavari: 00:22:21

wanted to incorporate some of the aspects of the

Jay Azavari: 00:22:25

nature immersion wilderness skills programs, but

Jay Azavari: 00:22:29

we didn't want to not do any academics. We wanted

Jay Azavari: 00:22:33

to do reading. We wanted to do science and math

Jay Azavari: 00:22:36

and intellectual type things. And so marrying

Jay Azavari: 00:22:39

together a lot of these ideas. But we had this

Jay Azavari: 00:22:42

technical, which was nature, basically like JD

Jay Azavari: 00:22:46

was saying, it's, you know, getting out into the

Jay Azavari: 00:22:50

elements. We wanted to create a situation where

Jay Azavari: 00:22:52

we had the ability to have shelter so we could do

Jay Azavari: 00:22:55

things. But oftentimes when I was facilitating, I

Jay Azavari: 00:22:57

ended up facilitating a lot of classes, a lot of

Jay Azavari: 00:22:59

the groups of kids. It became a highly

Jay Azavari: 00:23:03

improvisational endeavor. You know, I really like

Jay Azavari: 00:23:08

to try and get the kids into their bodies and

Jay Azavari: 00:23:13

where that interface is between us and the world

Jay Azavari: 00:23:17

around us. And so we would do, we would do

Jay Azavari: 00:23:20

embodiment exercises. I used a lot of qigong in

Jay Azavari: 00:23:23

my, in my Teaching and we would do

Jay Azavari: 00:23:28

improvisational, nature based interaction type

Jay Azavari: 00:23:31

things. Like we just kind of on a whim, we

Jay Azavari: 00:23:35

started doing Cloudbus. And it kind of was born

Jay Azavari: 00:23:41

out of this idea where we would be doing

Jay Azavari: 00:23:44

exercises. Rub our hands together, feel the

Jay Azavari: 00:23:46

energy between your hands, create a ball, toss it

Jay Azavari: 00:23:48

back and forth between the different members of

Jay Azavari: 00:23:51

the class. And then we, one day I was just like,

Jay Azavari: 00:23:54

well, let's bring it all together into one big

Jay Azavari: 00:23:56

thing. And we're going to throw it up in the air

Jay Azavari: 00:23:58

and we're going to aim at that cloud. And it was

Jay Azavari: 00:24:01

just kind of an off the cuff thing. And then we

Jay Azavari: 00:24:03

did and we observed what happened to the cloud.

Jay Azavari: 00:24:05

And over the next like 10 minutes, it dissipated

Jay Azavari: 00:24:08

and dissolved. And it was like, oh, wait a.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:10

Minute, we can all the kids.

Meredith Oke: 00:24:13

Wow, that is so cool.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:17

Later that day he'd be teaching music theory to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:19

them. So it's like we had a really lovely ability

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:23

to shape what we were offering and also to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:26

interact with families and parents in the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:29

community to do our best to see what they wanted

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:33

too, for their children. I got to teach

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:36

holographic blood to them for a little while, you

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:38

know.

Meredith Oke: 00:24:39

Oh my gosh. Okay, teach us holographic blood.

Meredith Oke: 00:24:42

J.D. tell us.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:45

Yeah, we have a lovely relationship with the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:47

Bagelson brothers and holographic blood. So

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:50

that's fun.

Meredith Oke: 00:24:51

Tell us what that is.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:53

So the live blood microscopy and dark field

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:56

microscopy, right. Has kind of hit the scene

Jaydee Azavari: 00:24:58

again. It was pretty, pretty, pretty well known,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:01

the earlier health food type health nature like

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:06

80s naturopath world. And as Covid hit and people

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:13

were trying to make sense of it and what was

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:14

going on, us included, looking for new ways to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:20

determine how our bodies are managing things that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:22

are being put into them or around them. And so

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:25

here we were with live blood analysis and as I

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:29

was researching that, I found two brothers who

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:33

worked with from their father's meth into

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:35

Bagelson method. And it's a very different way of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:39

looking at live blood where you use microscopes

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:42

that have very specific lenses in them and they

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:44

actually use not LED lights. So now I'm

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:52

incandescent or halogen light because of how it

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:55

views the blood. And you can't even get these

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:57

microscopes right now. It's a whole big thing.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:25:59

But the way that, that moves through the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:26:02

microscope and how you view the blood, you're

Jaydee Azavari: 00:26:04

actually looking at as, at it as a holographic

Jaydee Azavari: 00:26:07

version of yourself. From this perspective of we

Jaydee Azavari: 00:26:12

live in a holographic universe. Right. So it's,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:26:14

it's really cool.

Jay Azavari: 00:26:16

Well, they would be.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:26:17

I'm still learning.

Jay Azavari: 00:26:18

So they would be. They would be viewing and

Jay Azavari: 00:26:21

interpreting things in the blood that would be

Jay Azavari: 00:26:23

sort of like opening up a dialogue where an image

Jay Azavari: 00:26:28

would come to them. And they would be

Jay Azavari: 00:26:30

interpreting this image as, let's say, like a

Jay Azavari: 00:26:33

broken femur. And that would lead them to then

Jay Azavari: 00:26:37

dialogue with the. With the person's blood that

Jay Azavari: 00:26:39

they were talking to. And it turns out that, oh,

Jay Azavari: 00:26:41

right, I did have this accident that happened

Jay Azavari: 00:26:44

when I was a child. And it's something that's

Jay Azavari: 00:26:47

been in their field and showed up in a way that

Jay Azavari: 00:26:51

Adam and Josh are able to interpret. And they've

Jay Azavari: 00:26:55

used these. They've used this method to uncover

Jay Azavari: 00:26:58

and excavate some things that are going on with

Jay Azavari: 00:27:00

people's stories and people's health and stuff

Jay Azavari: 00:27:03

going on in different systems, being communicated

Jay Azavari: 00:27:06

to them and interpreted through the blood of the

Jay Azavari: 00:27:08

individual. And so they're doing some really wild

Jay Azavari: 00:27:11

and amazing work. And it's a much different spin

Jay Azavari: 00:27:13

on things than that is a lot of people.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:16

Yeah, that's really amazing. And one of the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:19

things that really drew it to me was the aspect

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:22

of light and its interaction with our blood, like

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:26

the matrix of our human essence. And also that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:31

they don't necessarily look at. How do I describe

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:35

it? I guess my experience of a lot of the new

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:39

liveblood analysis is coming from the really doom

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:41

and gloom kind of end game. Like, look at all the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:44

terrible things that have happened to our blood,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:47

right? You can have a litany of what those things

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:49

are. And now the world's really, really bad

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:51

because they did these things to us and how do we

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:53

get out of it? Whereas the Bigglestons, they're

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:55

like, no, it's not really bad. Like, we've always

Jaydee Azavari: 00:27:59

had these aspects of who we are, why we're on the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:02

planet, things that we bump up against that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:04

cause, like, a glitch in our system, which is

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:06

essentially what life is, right. We have some

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:09

type of hero's journey that we go through and

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:11

come back out of again. And they have a way of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:14

encapsulating that through looking at the blood

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:16

and working with you in, like, this sort of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:28:20

nurturing perspective. Teaching. Teaching it.

Meredith Oke: 00:28:26

That is so cool. I'm thinking now of, like, all

Meredith Oke: 00:28:29

the different people I've talked to, like Eileen

Meredith Oke: 00:28:32

McKusick in the Biofield and just how. Yeah,

Meredith Oke: 00:28:38

like, from the holographic perspective, you can

Meredith Oke: 00:28:41

deduce so much about a person, history and

Meredith Oke: 00:28:48

trajectory, life trajectory, perhaps, you know,

Meredith Oke: 00:28:51

spiritual and emotional elements, trauma,

Meredith Oke: 00:28:53

whatever, by looking at, like, everything is

Meredith Oke: 00:28:57

encoded. I think I'm just thinking this through

Meredith Oke: 00:29:02

as I talk. So, like, Eileen would see it all in

Meredith Oke: 00:29:04

the biofield, and the Bigglesons are seeing it in

Meredith Oke: 00:29:07

the blood. They're literally, like, talking to

Meredith Oke: 00:29:11

the blood.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:12

Yeah, yeah. And having it respond. But then, you

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:16

know, you'd have an experience of getting an

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:18

analysis with them, and then there would be some,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:22

you know, offering of remedy. And often it would

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:25

be something structural, maybe something

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:28

psychosocial or, you know, psycho emotional, not

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:31

just like this bad thing happened to you, try to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:34

get it out and get rid of it type of way of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:36

approach. They also would work more from. And I

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:41

don't, you know, want to, like, completely

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:43

describe what they're doing and maybe not do it

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:45

quite accurately, but it's not from the version

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:49

of life where we're contagious with one another

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:51

and everything, again, is, like, bad and out to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:53

get us. It's like, well, the parasites are there

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:56

to help clean up the thing that was there before

Jaydee Azavari: 00:29:58

the parasites, and the mold is there to help

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:00

clean up the heavy metals. And it's not

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:02

necessarily that all these things are just there,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:06

you know, needing to be removed or killed. But

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:09

how do we bring ourselves back into balance? And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:11

truly, everything is just designed to keep us in

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:14

balance. Like homeostasis rules. Right. That's

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:17

what we're aiming towards and how we can create a

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:20

relationship with that and work together with our

Jaydee Azavari: 00:30:23

bodies and whatever might also be in our bodies.

Meredith Oke: 00:30:28

I love that, that every. Everything is there for

Meredith Oke: 00:30:31

a reason, and maybe it's gotten out of balance

Meredith Oke: 00:30:34

and it's causing symptoms that we don't want. But

Meredith Oke: 00:30:39

I love this idea and like, that. It's not doom

Meredith Oke: 00:30:43

and gloom. I'm very much in that camp. I just

Meredith Oke: 00:30:47

don't see the point of coming to that conclusion,

Meredith Oke: 00:30:49

really, about anything. As we were just saying,

Meredith Oke: 00:30:54

we had the government intruding into our lives

Meredith Oke: 00:30:57

and shutting down schools and telling everyone

Meredith Oke: 00:30:59

how they had to do it. And it's like instead of

Meredith Oke: 00:31:02

reacting to that, you both responded and created

Meredith Oke: 00:31:06

this amazing alternative. But we could do that

Meredith Oke: 00:31:08

with every single thing that ever happens to us,

Meredith Oke: 00:31:11

or for us, as I prefer to think of it, what

Meredith Oke: 00:31:15

happens for us. And so amazing that that is

Meredith Oke: 00:31:19

coming through. So you. You taught the kids the

Meredith Oke: 00:31:23

holographic blood?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:31:24

I did.

Meredith Oke: 00:31:25

For children.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:31:27

Six weeks. We went through the book, and the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:31:30

Bigglestons have courses. You can learn this. And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:31:34

I was given the ability to teach them from one of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:31:37

their courses. Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:31:39

Amazing. So doing things, okay, like, from music

Meredith Oke: 00:31:44

theory to cloud besting to holographic blood. I

Meredith Oke: 00:31:49

mean, You. You both chose to believe that

Meredith Oke: 00:31:53

children could easily engage with these topics.

Meredith Oke: 00:31:56

What happened. What did. What happened with the

Meredith Oke: 00:31:59

children when you did. Did this with them?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:04

Amazing things.

Meredith Oke: 00:32:05

Yeah.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:06

There were children who. I mean, a lot of kids

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:10

either came to us from. Well, with COVID Right.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:13

They had most all been in some other environment

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:16

and through the process of finding their way to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:19

us, there had often been some kind of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:22

traumatizing event that they had to work out once

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:25

they got here. And there were a number of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:27

children that I can think of where they would be

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:30

here for a week or so, and then they would just

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:32

break down and your parents would, like, parents

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:34

would be hugging and crying in the parking lot,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:36

like, oh, my gosh, like, I can touch you or I can

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:39

see you, or my child was, you know, so far from

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:43

who I thought they. They were truly or who they

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:46

used to be. And now I'm seeing them again. And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:49

the kids, like, you got into this one book with

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:52

them that might have been a little beyond their

Jaydee Azavari: 00:32:55

league for a while.

Jay Azavari: 00:32:58

I can. I can give a little bit of. A little bit

Jay Azavari: 00:33:01

of context. So there's a guy named Dylan, and he

Jay Azavari: 00:33:04

wrote a series of books that are called Spirit

Jay Azavari: 00:33:07

World. W H I R L E D. So. And it has a lot to do

Jay Azavari: 00:33:11

with etymology and language and breaking apart

Jay Azavari: 00:33:16

the language that we use, how this idea of, you

Jay Azavari: 00:33:19

know, words are spelled because we're speaking

Jay Azavari: 00:33:21

with a particular frequency and vibration and

Jay Azavari: 00:33:24

breath and consciousness. When we. When we utter

Jay Azavari: 00:33:26

something and we're casting spells, we're

Jay Azavari: 00:33:28

influencing our reality. And so I would use lot

Jay Azavari: 00:33:33

of the material from his book. I had to pick and

Jay Azavari: 00:33:36

choose because some of it was a little bit not

Jay Azavari: 00:33:39

age appropriate. But what. What happened was

Jay Azavari: 00:33:43

really interesting because it would open up these

Jay Azavari: 00:33:46

kids. These kids that I was working with at the

Jay Azavari: 00:33:49

time were between 9 and 11, and it would open

Jay Azavari: 00:33:53

them up to start to question the assumptions

Jay Azavari: 00:33:57

about our. Not only our thoughts, but, like,

Jay Azavari: 00:34:00

reality, social constructs, all of these things.

Jay Azavari: 00:34:03

So we. These were things that a lot of the

Jay Azavari: 00:34:05

families had been grappling with and then, you

Jay Azavari: 00:34:08

know, maybe trying to assess how much they can

Jay Azavari: 00:34:11

talk to their kids about it. Or there's the

Jay Azavari: 00:34:13

natural resistance of the kids to hear what the

Jay Azavari: 00:34:15

parents are saying. So we created, or within the

Jay Azavari: 00:34:19

group of the context of this group, created a

Jay Azavari: 00:34:21

context for these kids to explore within a peer

Jay Azavari: 00:34:25

level, some of these concepts, some of these

Jay Azavari: 00:34:27

ideas of what happens when we start to really

Jay Azavari: 00:34:31

question what we're thinking, what we're saying.

Jay Azavari: 00:34:34

Why did we say that? Why was that? My response,

Jay Azavari: 00:34:37

My Automated response that came out without me

Jay Azavari: 00:34:40

really thinking about it. And what responsibility

Jay Azavari: 00:34:43

do I have? What power do I have to change that?

Jay Azavari: 00:34:45

So there was all of these ideas and concepts that

Jay Azavari: 00:34:48

we were playing with and it became a really

Jay Azavari: 00:34:52

interesting exploration.

Meredith Oke: 00:34:54

And.

Jay Azavari: 00:34:56

Yeah, there's some really, really profound and

Jay Azavari: 00:34:59

powerful experiences with these kids and with the

Jay Azavari: 00:35:02

families.

Meredith Oke: 00:35:05

Can you share some one of them that comes to mind?

Jay Azavari: 00:35:09

I mean, we started to, you know, this is a

Jay Azavari: 00:35:13

little. I'll just share this. We started to get

Jay Azavari: 00:35:16

into some of these ideas of questioning where our

Jay Azavari: 00:35:21

thoughts are coming from, where our ideas are

Jay Azavari: 00:35:23

coming from and why we're saying things that

Jay Azavari: 00:35:25

we're saying. And a little bit of crunchiness

Jay Azavari: 00:35:27

would come out between certain members of the

Jay Azavari: 00:35:30

class. And so I would just kind of use that as an

Jay Azavari: 00:35:34

opportunity to explore a little bit. And so I

Jay Azavari: 00:35:37

started talking about this idea of essentially,

Jay Azavari: 00:35:42

you know, social mind manipulate, you know, large

Jay Azavari: 00:35:46

scale social manipulation and thoughts, ideas,

Jay Azavari: 00:35:51

attitudes and, and how we're able to use our

Jay Azavari: 00:35:54

words and thoughts to influence one another,

Jay Azavari: 00:35:57

influence ourselves both positively and

Jay Azavari: 00:35:59

negatively. And so as we were having this

Jay Azavari: 00:36:01

conversation, it was getting a little bit edgy

Jay Azavari: 00:36:04

for some kids. And then we start hearing

Jay Azavari: 00:36:07

helicopters, we start hearing military

Jay Azavari: 00:36:09

helicopters. And so I start saying to them, I

Jay Azavari: 00:36:13

said, okay guys, so like we've been out here for

Jay Azavari: 00:36:16

six months and we've been having conversations

Jay Azavari: 00:36:18

about all kinds of different things. And like

Jay Azavari: 00:36:20

here we are now, we're talking about this idea of

Jay Azavari: 00:36:23

this seemingly dark and mysterious nefarious

Jay Azavari: 00:36:27

control system that's like infiltrating our

Jay Azavari: 00:36:30

thoughts and influencing our behavior. And then

Jay Azavari: 00:36:32

suddenly we're like faced with a, you know,

Jay Azavari: 00:36:35

conspiratorial cliche of like black helicopters

Jay Azavari: 00:36:39

flying around and like potentially failing our

Jay Azavari: 00:36:41

thoughts. And you know, it's all within, within

Jay Azavari: 00:36:46

somewhat of a, you know, potential hypothetical.

Jay Azavari: 00:36:50

Not saying that this is actually the, the

Jay Azavari: 00:36:53

hardened, fast way this is going every time. But

Jay Azavari: 00:36:57

you know, we would play with these ideas and just

Jay Azavari: 00:37:00

this idea of coincidence or how, you know, did

Jay Azavari: 00:37:03

that, did that cloud dissolve because we threw

Jay Azavari: 00:37:06

the, the ball of energy at it or.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:37:10

What are the wind patterns today?

Jay Azavari: 00:37:11

Yeah, so I mean, right. Exploring some of these

Jay Azavari: 00:37:14

ideas and that not everything is fixed and that

Jay Azavari: 00:37:19

we have a opportunity and a power to get together

Jay Azavari: 00:37:25

and explore how we're wanting to interface with

Jay Azavari: 00:37:29

these ideas of whatever we call reality. So yeah,

Jay Azavari: 00:37:33

that's, that's my little.

Meredith Oke: 00:37:36

That's. So that is like. That is deeply profound.

Meredith Oke: 00:37:41

That is a deeply profound teaching for children

Meredith Oke: 00:37:44

to absorb early in life. Because I think a lot of

Meredith Oke: 00:37:48

us spend time trying to unlearn you know, the. We

Meredith Oke: 00:37:52

were told that reality is fixed and solid and

Meredith Oke: 00:37:56

static and impermeable. And it's so funny. I just

Meredith Oke: 00:38:00

this morning saw a post, read a tweet from this

Meredith Oke: 00:38:04

woman, she's an. Another executive coach that I

Meredith Oke: 00:38:06

follow, and she said, in order. It was like, in

Meredith Oke: 00:38:09

order to break through walls, you can't believe

Meredith Oke: 00:38:12

that the wall is there. You have to just go. And

Meredith Oke: 00:38:17

I left a comment saying, like, maybe that's why

Meredith Oke: 00:38:21

so many new things, new contributions are made by

Meredith Oke: 00:38:27

outsiders or really young people, because they

Meredith Oke: 00:38:30

haven't learned enough to build up the wall and

Meredith Oke: 00:38:34

inside and then live as though they can't go

Meredith Oke: 00:38:39

through it for the rest of their lives. So you

Meredith Oke: 00:38:45

are planting that seed. It's amazing. I mean,

Meredith Oke: 00:38:51

even this, like, what we're all doing right now,

Meredith Oke: 00:38:54

right? Like, we're all sort of outsiders to a

Meredith Oke: 00:38:58

certain extent. And there's a reason why applied

Meredith Oke: 00:39:01

quantum biology is not being championed by people

Meredith Oke: 00:39:04

deep inside the scientific institutions, because

Meredith Oke: 00:39:08

they know too much. They're like, no, no, we. We

Meredith Oke: 00:39:12

have to study this in a way that will result in a

Meredith Oke: 00:39:15

medical device that is patentable or a drug that

Meredith Oke: 00:39:20

is patentable, and any other application is just

Meredith Oke: 00:39:24

playing around. And. Right. And so then those of

Meredith Oke: 00:39:29

us on the outside are like, why can't we just

Meredith Oke: 00:39:34

learn this science ourselves and see what it

Meredith Oke: 00:39:36

means in our lives?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:38

I think a big part of how we've raised our

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:41

children and then ultimately led us into how we

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:44

want to educate our children is coming from that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:46

place of, how difficult really is this? Why can't

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:49

we do it on our own, similar to what you were

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:51

just speaking to? And then what are the walls

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:54

that we've put up throughout our lifetimes that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:39:56

are causing us to think we can't? And so majority

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:00

of my work before this was based in women's

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:02

health and midwifery, home birth, midwifery. And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:05

when I started to learn that, I mean, it was.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:09

There was many different ways and things that I

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:13

was diving into to try to find what was right for

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:15

me, which led ultimately to unassisted birth. And

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:18

then I was like, well, how do I integrate that

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:20

back into midwifery? How do these two things seem

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:23

kind of opposite, kind of the same? And it

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:26

really, like, culminated in this idea of quantum

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:28

midwifery and a person that taught that. And then

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:31

I worked with her school for a number of years,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:33

but there were moments where I was like, well,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:35

why can't I resuscitate my baby? As I'm learning

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:38

this from this perspective of a midwife, right?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:40

I'm like, this is so simple. But it's these, at

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:42

these acts of, in that moment, like health care,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:46

that are kept away from, you know, away from the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:49

layperson to think that they can't do it and to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:52

then like outsource our power or all. I mean, you

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:55

can talk about all that stuff. And many, most

Jaydee Azavari: 00:40:57

people who probably listen to this already are,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:00

but we really have these abilities to find our

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:04

way, right? And to bring that back to how we want

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:07

to raise our children, how we want to birth our

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:09

children, how we want to heal ourselves and

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:11

ultimately working towards a world where we can

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:14

have everything available, where we can choose.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:17

Well, if I need to go and have surgery because I

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:20

broke my arm snowboarding, which, you know, one

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:22

of our children did, we will do that without

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:25

question because that is here on the planet right

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:27

now and can work. And do I need to get surgery

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:31

for my knee that is just had like a torn ligament

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:34

where I could use PRP and red light therapy and

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:37

work on my exclusion zone water and all these

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:39

things to heal myself, then yes, let's do that.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:41

But if we don't have the, you know, the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:45

development of how we analyze things, right, or

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:49

move through the world, how do we even know to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:51

ask those questions? How do we. How do we know to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:54

even ask, like, well, could I resuscitate my

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:56

baby? Or, you know, who's really in charge of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:41:59

this birth? And there was a moment after, I think

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:03

my second was born, it's like, well, who was in

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:06

charge of my birth? Like, was it the midwife? Was

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:08

the home birth or the midwife completely

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:10

straightforward? But it felt very confused using

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:12

afterwards. And at that point, as like a

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:15

midwifery student, but also a mother, I realized

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:18

as a midwife, I could never know more about a

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:20

woman's birth than she does. And then if the next

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:23

person that's going to know more, it's going to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:25

be, you know, whoever. If it's her partner, her

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:27

husband, the person that's like, next removed

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:30

from her. So then you get into this idea, well,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:32

what is my role, right, as a healthcare provider

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:35

or a midwife or a teacher? And it gets really

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:39

tricky. But there's that aspect of like, the one

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:42

who's holding the space, the one who's keeping

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:44

the container for everybody, with the knowledge

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:47

that then can, you know, focus that knowledge in

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:51

or allow the experience of the person going

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:53

through the process to find their way. And so all

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:56

of that really was brought into this version of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:42:59

our school. And, you know, as we've kind of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:02

Pointed out a lot of it was explained

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:04

experimental. And I often would feel or say to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:07

people that if I had a model to follow, I would

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:11

like, I don't just need to experiment always or

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:13

to do this on my own, but I can't find it. So I

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:16

guess we got to do it. We got it. We got to bring

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:18

the world right, you know.

Jay Azavari: 00:43:22

This little bit of a point, of a pivot point for

Jay Azavari: 00:43:26

us. And initially, when we started ada, it was,

Jay Azavari: 00:43:30

was. There was a lot of. It was, A lot of it was

Jay Azavari: 00:43:33

a reaction to the circumstances and not.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:36

Not wanting this, you know, whatever that is out

Jaydee Azavari: 00:43:39

there.

Jay Azavari: 00:43:40

But what we noticed over time was that as we got

Jay Azavari: 00:43:44

further along in the process and began to do this

Jay Azavari: 00:43:47

day in and day out, it was, it became important

Jay Azavari: 00:43:51

for us to intentionally shift our focus to what

Jay Azavari: 00:43:54

do we want to create? And really what that became

Jay Azavari: 00:43:58

was what we always had wanted to see. Because,

Jay Azavari: 00:44:01

like, like we mentioned earlier, we've been

Jay Azavari: 00:44:03

through so many different versions of school and

Jay Azavari: 00:44:06

education. I mean, I, I, we both grew up in

Jay Azavari: 00:44:09

public school, but with our kids, we went through

Jay Azavari: 00:44:12

dozens of iterations of different things. And so

Jay Azavari: 00:44:16

what, it became a shift point from, like, okay,

Jay Azavari: 00:44:19

we're reacting to everything's falling apart

Jay Azavari: 00:44:21

there. There had always been this settling kind

Jay Azavari: 00:44:25

of sense where, like, oh, we're gonna do this

Jay Azavari: 00:44:27

with this kid, because this is the closest thing

Jay Azavari: 00:44:29

that we can find that would suit their needs. So.

Jay Azavari: 00:44:32

But what became revealed is we shifted from the

Jay Azavari: 00:44:35

reactivity to the place of more internal,

Jay Azavari: 00:44:39

following an internal compass. Was that, like,

Jay Azavari: 00:44:42

we're creating what we've always wanted to see,

Jay Azavari: 00:44:44

and it's possible to do that. And, yeah, I mean,

Jay Azavari: 00:44:49

and I wanted to add one thing to what you said

Jay Azavari: 00:44:50

earlier, was like, our daughter was maybe, I

Jay Azavari: 00:44:53

don't know, 11, 12. And she had gone to the

Jay Azavari: 00:44:57

doctor, she had some stitches, like, a few

Jay Azavari: 00:44:59

stitches in her arm. And, you know, the protocol

Jay Azavari: 00:45:02

was, okay, well, when, you know, this touch time

Jay Azavari: 00:45:04

passes, you come back and we'll remove the

Jay Azavari: 00:45:06

stitches. And JD was like, no, you can take those

Jay Azavari: 00:45:08

out yourself. And she was like, I can. She's

Jay Azavari: 00:45:12

like, yeah, yeah, you can, or.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:45:14

I can do it.

Jay Azavari: 00:45:14

But I'm like, we can do that here. And we'll just

Jay Azavari: 00:45:17

keep an eye, make.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:45:18

Sure everything's clean, you know, back to the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:45:20

doctor. You really think that that's what would,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:45:22

you know, help you feel safe in this situation?

Jaydee Azavari: 00:45:26

Then she came out with having removed them

Jaydee Azavari: 00:45:28

herself.

Jay Azavari: 00:45:29

Right. But sometimes there's these minor, you

Jay Azavari: 00:45:35

know, changes in perspective where, you know,

Jay Azavari: 00:45:38

we've been, we've been programmed and thought

Jay Azavari: 00:45:40

that the appropriate protocol is to go back to

Jay Azavari: 00:45:43

the doctor and have them do the things for you.

Jay Azavari: 00:45:45

And so just like with, with education or

Jay Azavari: 00:45:48

parenting or, you know, some medical things, I

Jay Azavari: 00:45:51

mean, obviously, within reason, but you can make

Jay Azavari: 00:45:55

some of these decisions and take the power into

Jay Azavari: 00:45:58

your own hands and make, you know, make the

Jay Azavari: 00:46:00

choice for yourself. It's your, it's your, your

Jay Azavari: 00:46:03

driving and it's, it can be really challenging to

Jay Azavari: 00:46:09

remember that in so many different scenarios. So

Jay Azavari: 00:46:13

trying to move the needle a little bit for the

Jay Azavari: 00:46:16

people that we're involved in and influence and,

Jay Azavari: 00:46:18

you know, ourselves, our children, and then by

Jay Azavari: 00:46:21

extension, the other families and children that

Jay Azavari: 00:46:23

we've worked with.

Meredith Oke: 00:46:26

So good. I love it. And it's, you know, it's so

Meredith Oke: 00:46:30

interesting because, like, I spend a lot of time

Meredith Oke: 00:46:32

in the, in the coaching world, right? And

Meredith Oke: 00:46:34

everyone talks about having high agency and being

Meredith Oke: 00:46:37

proud, proactive. And like I was saying, that

Meredith Oke: 00:46:40

woman posting about, like, you can't even see the

Meredith Oke: 00:46:42

walls. There can be no walls for you if you want

Meredith Oke: 00:46:43

to go through them. And yet so much of our

Meredith Oke: 00:46:47

society is designed to take that away and to make

Meredith Oke: 00:46:51

us think that we, that we don't have choice. We

Meredith Oke: 00:46:55

have to do it this one way, particularly public

Meredith Oke: 00:46:59

health. But anyway, that's a whole podcast on

Meredith Oke: 00:47:03

that. It's. And it really matters. I mean, I

Meredith Oke: 00:47:08

think what you're saying really matters. Even

Meredith Oke: 00:47:10

just a small example, like, oh, I can keep my eye

Meredith Oke: 00:47:14

on this. Like, I get appropriate medical care,

Meredith Oke: 00:47:17

and then I can keep my eye on it, make sure it

Meredith Oke: 00:47:21

doesn't get infected and take, you know, and deal

Meredith Oke: 00:47:23

with it the way, you know, in a, in a way that's

Meredith Oke: 00:47:28

going to work out fine. And I could make that

Meredith Oke: 00:47:30

choice. And it's a small thing, but every time

Meredith Oke: 00:47:35

we're given the opportunity to do that, I think

Meredith Oke: 00:47:38

it builds a different type of reality than every

Meredith Oke: 00:47:42

time we feel like we've had to comply with

Meredith Oke: 00:47:45

something external that was decided for us.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:47:49

And I mean, that is one thing that I absolutely

Jaydee Azavari: 00:47:52

love with quantum biology and really getting into

Jaydee Azavari: 00:47:54

circadian principles, because it's. I can wake up

Jaydee Azavari: 00:47:58

when the sun rises. Yeah, I might not want to,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:01

but I can. And it's really not that hard. Get out

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:05

of bed, right? And I can go eat my lunch outside,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:08

and I can turn the lights off when the sun goes

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:11

down, and I can model that to my children, and

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:15

they can start watching me do that. And I can

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:18

say, hey, look at these red light glasses. I

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:20

mean, it's something that I worked really hard,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:25

especially because then you have teenagers who at

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:28

some point in time they're gonna get a screen. We

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:31

live in digital world. And again, that's another

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:33

whole books written on topic on how we like bring

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:38

and bridge nature with technology in relation to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:42

kids. But having them understand that some of

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:46

these tools are easy and accessible and they can

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:49

bring them in and they will feel and see results.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:52

Like, my daughter started wearing red light

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:54

glasses at night and she's like, I'm sleeping

Jaydee Azavari: 00:48:56

better. And I'm like, yeah, you might be. Tell me

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:00

more about that. And like, we all eat breakfast

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:05

outside on the porch now. And the porch has been

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:07

there and we used to eat breakfast once in a

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:09

while on the porch. Right. But now we eat

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:11

breakfast every day on the porch because I'm

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:13

like, we're gonna do this thing. And it's. We

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:16

look forward to it. So it's these very simple,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:19

accessible, like, acts of righteous power that we

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:24

can like, integrate or reclaim or just remember

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:27

that it's always been there and it's still

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:29

waiting for us.

Meredith Oke: 00:49:30

Right.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:32

And I, I really, I've really, really appreciated

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:36

that and I'm excited to be able to share it more

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:39

with families. Like, we touched upon a little bit

Jaydee Azavari: 00:49:43

already. Yeah.

Meredith Oke: 00:49:46

Yeah. There is something, you know. Yeah. Quite

Meredith Oke: 00:49:51

profound about aligning with the light cycles and

Meredith Oke: 00:49:56

the darkness cycles that even if it just starts

Meredith Oke: 00:49:59

out as, oh, I'm going to do this so I sleep

Meredith Oke: 00:50:01

better, There is a shift that happens when we

Meredith Oke: 00:50:04

have developed that awareness of ourselves in

Meredith Oke: 00:50:07

time and space. And I'm much more aware of the

Meredith Oke: 00:50:12

directions and which. Which way is east and which

Meredith Oke: 00:50:17

way is west. And I just feel more like a living

Meredith Oke: 00:50:24

part of the world as opposed to a disconnected

Meredith Oke: 00:50:30

entity that is somehow trying to make its way

Meredith Oke: 00:50:34

through something it doesn't really belong in. If

Meredith Oke: 00:50:36

that makes sense.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:37

Yeah, I mean, that seems like a key foundation,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:39

Right. To being able to access all of these

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:42

bigger choice points that we've been talking

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:44

about. Like, how do we know that we can. I know,

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:48

I'll use birth references. How do we know we can

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:50

resuscitate our baby or trust ourselves? That's a

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:53

big question. But if we can get, you know, keep

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:56

going further and further back into the

Jaydee Azavari: 00:50:57

foundational pieces that allow us to connect to

Jaydee Azavari: 00:51:00

the earth, to connect to rhythms, to connect with

Jaydee Azavari: 00:51:02

who we really are. To know which way is east and

Jaydee Azavari: 00:51:04

west. Right. That's going to layer on our ability

Jaydee Azavari: 00:51:08

to trust ourselves and to know that we have these

Jaydee Azavari: 00:51:11

inherent, like, aspects and ways to, to navigate

Jaydee Azavari: 00:51:15

situations that arise.

Meredith Oke: 00:51:19

Yeah, it's. It's interesting. You're Bringing up

Meredith Oke: 00:51:22

the birth. I do remember. So I have three

Meredith Oke: 00:51:25

children, and from. From my middle child, I was

Meredith Oke: 00:51:28

able to have a home birth. And I remember because

Meredith Oke: 00:51:33

the first birth had. Had been in a hospital. And,

Meredith Oke: 00:51:37

you know, it was like your typical thing was

Meredith Oke: 00:51:39

progressing fine at home, was in the bath with

Meredith Oke: 00:51:41

candles. I went to the hospital, everything

Meredith Oke: 00:51:43

stopped. 10, 12 hours later, they're like, oh,

Meredith Oke: 00:51:45

you gotta start with this drip and that, and

Meredith Oke: 00:51:47

you're strapped down, and they're all in charge

Meredith Oke: 00:51:48

of everything forever. And so the next one, I was

Meredith Oke: 00:51:52

at home with the midwives. And I remember at one

Meredith Oke: 00:51:54

point, like, the labor changed, and I looked at

Meredith Oke: 00:51:57

the midwives, and I was like, now what do I do?

Meredith Oke: 00:52:00

And they were like, I don't know. I'm like, what

Meredith Oke: 00:52:04

do you mean? They're like, what do you want to

Meredith Oke: 00:52:05

do? And then this contraction came, and I was

Meredith Oke: 00:52:07

like. They were like, there you go.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:52:12

And I was.

Meredith Oke: 00:52:13

And I'm like, oh, my gosh, These natural birth

Meredith Oke: 00:52:16

people are right. Like, that was one of the most

Meredith Oke: 00:52:19

empowering moments of my life was this freaking

Meredith Oke: 00:52:21

contraction.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:52:22

Yep.

Meredith Oke: 00:52:25

And, yeah, there was. There was also, for legal

Meredith Oke: 00:52:29

reasons, they needed a, like, an extra person in

Meredith Oke: 00:52:32

the room because one of the midwives was still in

Meredith Oke: 00:52:34

training or something. And that woman had just

Meredith Oke: 00:52:36

got off a flight from India. She was, like,

Meredith Oke: 00:52:37

sitting in the corner of my bedroom, like,

Meredith Oke: 00:52:39

napping. I remember thinking, like, how the hell

Meredith Oke: 00:52:43

is she sleeping through this?

Jay Azavari: 00:52:45

Oh, my God.

Meredith Oke: 00:52:46

Then I thought, well, clearly everything's going

Meredith Oke: 00:52:49

well if she. She feels like she can be napping.

Meredith Oke: 00:52:52

So it's just all these little cues from having.

Meredith Oke: 00:52:56

Being surrounded by people who are tapped into

Meredith Oke: 00:52:58

that, what you're saying. So you're giving me

Meredith Oke: 00:53:03

some remembrance to that experience and how

Meredith Oke: 00:53:06

different it is. And I. Yeah, I think I wanted

Meredith Oke: 00:53:10

the natural birth more, as, you know, for health

Meredith Oke: 00:53:13

reasons and to not have drugs in my body and that

Meredith Oke: 00:53:16

kind of thing. But that was my first realization

Meredith Oke: 00:53:20

that there's so much more emotional,

Meredith Oke: 00:53:24

psychological, spiritual overlay to these kind of

Meredith Oke: 00:53:29

health proceedings as we're trained to accept

Meredith Oke: 00:53:33

them. Okay, one more thing I want to talk about

Meredith Oke: 00:53:38

is music. So, Jay, you were talking at the

Meredith Oke: 00:53:46

beginning. You said some really interesting

Meredith Oke: 00:53:47

things about music and frequency in this

Meredith Oke: 00:53:49

discussion. And quantum say more stuff.

Jay Azavari: 00:53:53

So. Yeah, and I talked a little bit about this

Jay Azavari: 00:53:57

when we were recently going over just our

Jay Azavari: 00:54:00

backstory. And, you know, we. We've been talking

Jay Azavari: 00:54:05

some of these things through. And so, you know,

Jay Azavari: 00:54:07

like, with. When I grew up, I was really

Jay Azavari: 00:54:11

disengaged from school. I was dissociated. I was

Jay Azavari: 00:54:14

date. I was a daydreamer. And you know, I looked

Jay Azavari: 00:54:16

back at.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:54:18

What did your mom say about you?

Jay Azavari: 00:54:19

Well, okay, so my mom took me to get, when I was

Jay Azavari: 00:54:22

in maybe third or fourth grade, she took me to

Jay Azavari: 00:54:24

get like, evaluated by a professional evaluator

Jay Azavari: 00:54:29

of children. So her sentiment she shared with me

Jay Azavari: 00:54:36

was that she was trying to figure out whether I

Jay Azavari: 00:54:38

was stupid or conducting concertos in the school

Jay Azavari: 00:54:42

guy. So apparently her, her question was

Jay Azavari: 00:54:50

satisfactory.

Jaydee Azavari: 00:54:51

It all makes sense now.

Jay Azavari: 00:54:55

Apparently her question was satisfactorily

Jay Azavari: 00:54:57

answered about that I wasn't stupid. And I

Jay Azavari: 00:55:01

shared, I shared with JD also that, you know, I

Jay Azavari: 00:55:04

found at some point later all of these report

Jay Azavari: 00:55:06

cards from elementary school and like they all

Jay Azavari: 00:55:08

said the same single resulting. He's such a

Jay Azavari: 00:55:10

bright kid, but he's just not engaged or, you

Jay Azavari: 00:55:12

know, he's not paying attention, he's

Jay Azavari: 00:55:14

daydreaming. And so I don't know, when I was

Jay Azavari: 00:55:17

maybe 13, 14, I started playing music, started

Jay Azavari: 00:55:21

playing guitar. My dad, my dad and my dad's side

Jay Azavari: 00:55:24

of the family had always played. So I had seen it

Jay Azavari: 00:55:27

going on at different gatherings, the hours of

Jay Azavari: 00:55:30

the night, with my aunts and uncles and my

Jay Azavari: 00:55:33

grandparents and my dad. And so, so I started

Jay Azavari: 00:55:36

playing and then I connected with some other kids

Jay Azavari: 00:55:39

that also were interested in playing. And so it

Jay Azavari: 00:55:42

became a real solace place where I could find

Jay Azavari: 00:55:48

some meaning and some purpose. And it was almost

Jay Azavari: 00:55:51

like the dissociative yearning and traveling

Jay Azavari: 00:55:56

suddenly had like a soundtrack and some kind of a

Jay Azavari: 00:55:58

grounding to it. And so things started to make

Jay Azavari: 00:56:01

sense. And you know, I'd say from there I started

Jay Azavari: 00:56:05

to explore improvisational music and some, you

Jay Azavari: 00:56:11

know, mind altering substances and things like

Jay Azavari: 00:56:13

that. And it opened up this world of frequency

Jay Azavari: 00:56:17

and vibration that to me really connects with a

Jay Azavari: 00:56:20

lot of the age old mysticism that most of the

Jay Azavari: 00:56:26

spiritual cultures and religions all speak about.

Jay Azavari: 00:56:30

And there was a book that I was introduced to at

Jay Azavari: 00:56:34

some point in my late teens, the Tao of Physics.

Jay Azavari: 00:56:39

And it was this really brilliant idea that a lot

Jay Azavari: 00:56:45

of, like we spoke about earlier that a lot of the

Jay Azavari: 00:56:48

modern and cutting edge ideas around particles

Jay Azavari: 00:56:53

and quantum physics and just basically the, the

Jay Azavari: 00:56:59

fabric of reality is made up of this, these

Jay Azavari: 00:57:04

harmonic relationships. And so that is reflected

Jay Azavari: 00:57:09

in a lot of the way that our biology is, is laid

Jay Azavari: 00:57:14

out. Like if you look at the ratio of the

Jay Azavari: 00:57:17

individual digits in your fingers and then your

Jay Azavari: 00:57:20

hand and then your arm and then your body,

Jay Azavari: 00:57:23

there's relationships in the distances of those

Jay Azavari: 00:57:26

and how they relate to one another that are also

Jay Azavari: 00:57:29

reflected in the harmonic principles of overtones

Jay Azavari: 00:57:32

and Harmonies and what we experience as

Jay Azavari: 00:57:35

dissonances and consonances. And so it's

Jay Azavari: 00:57:40

something that is embedded in us and then

Jay Azavari: 00:57:44

extrapolated outward and inward on a scale that

Jay Azavari: 00:57:48

is, you know, beyond. It's infinite. So there's

Jay Azavari: 00:57:52

the whole idea of like, when you look up the

Jay Azavari: 00:57:54

spheres, it goes back to like, sort of like a

Jay Azavari: 00:57:57

Renaissance idea of the different planets and how

Jay Azavari: 00:58:03

they relate within the context of our system and

Jay Azavari: 00:58:06

how those relate to the harmonies and then the

Jay Azavari: 00:58:09

particles and the, the atoms and things in our

Jay Azavari: 00:58:12

body and the spin, the electron spin, resonance

Jay Azavari: 00:58:16

that happens. It's creating a inter woven

Jay Azavari: 00:58:23

collection of overtones and harmonies and

Jay Azavari: 00:58:27

distances. And I would, I would use some of these

Jay Azavari: 00:58:28

ideas with, when I would teach music because, you

Jay Azavari: 00:58:31

know, we have these things built into our

Jay Azavari: 00:58:33

language. Like you get a vibe off of somebody or,

Jay Azavari: 00:58:38

you know, these, these principles are also at

Jay Azavari: 00:58:42

play, you know, within our own psyche, but also

Jay Azavari: 00:58:45

within our relationships with others and the

Jay Azavari: 00:58:47

world around us. And so we would explore some of

Jay Azavari: 00:58:52

this, both theoretically, philosophically,

Jay Azavari: 00:58:56

mystically, but then also we would incorporate

Jay Azavari: 00:58:59

some of these basic principles into studying. I

Jay Azavari: 00:59:02

mean, I use the baritone ukulele as a, you know,

Jay Azavari: 00:59:07

kind of a place to explore some of this. And so

Jay Azavari: 00:59:10

we would, we would talk about music theory and

Jay Azavari: 00:59:13

how that overlaps with some of these other

Jay Azavari: 00:59:17

concepts and give the, give the kids an

Jay Azavari: 00:59:23

opportunity to explore some of these things. And

Jay Azavari: 00:59:26

I always would, I always would make sure that I

Jay Azavari: 00:59:28

would reiterate that, you know, all of the rules,

Jay Azavari: 00:59:30

all of the theory that we have is really just

Jay Azavari: 00:59:34

humanity's attempt to make sense of something

Jay Azavari: 00:59:37

that is really far more mysterious and

Jay Azavari: 00:59:40

unexplainable than we can ever imagine. So it's,

Jay Azavari: 00:59:43

it's sort of like a simplification and a

Jay Azavari: 00:59:46

distilling down and really like, you know, you

Jay Azavari: 00:59:50

hold the keys to the understanding of this

Jay Azavari: 00:59:53

because it is what you are. The vibratory and the

Jay Azavari: 00:59:57

frequency expression of you is really the

Jay Azavari: 01:00:02

deciding factor in all of this. And what do you,

Jay Azavari: 01:00:05

how do you want to, how do you want to relate to

Jay Azavari: 01:00:07

it? What do you want your song to sound like? And

Jay Azavari: 01:00:13

so, yeah, that's. I hope that answers the

Jay Azavari: 01:00:16

question.

Meredith Oke: 01:00:17

So, yeah, it's beautiful and it's. I feel like

Meredith Oke: 01:00:22

we're circling back to the holographic idea. Like

Meredith Oke: 01:00:24

whether you're looking at the body or you're

Meredith Oke: 01:00:26

looking, looking at music, it's like there's all

Meredith Oke: 01:00:28

of. It's like all one thing almost. So I'm super

Meredith Oke: 01:00:40

excited to announce that J and JD Are about to

Meredith Oke: 01:00:45

launch their own podcast. And you all need to go

Meredith Oke: 01:00:50

and subscribe to it right now. It's called Rising

Meredith Oke: 01:00:56

Sovereign. So tell us about the concept of Rising

Meredith Oke: 01:01:01

Sovereign, what that means to you and, you know,

Meredith Oke: 01:01:04

sort of where you're going with it.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:06

Well, when we entered into this, like, the

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:10

beginning of last school year, so the fall of

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:14

last year, which we did a couple semesters of

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:17

before, like, ultimately Hurricane Helene was

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:20

like a big. That caused our school to stop for a

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:24

little while. But we were going through some soul

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:28

searching even before that around. Is this really

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:32

the best way for us to meet the most people?

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:36

Because we have all this inside of us and

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:38

experiences and stories that we can't not want to

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:41

share. We just know that it needs to be shared

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:44

and it can help, help people and then people can

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:46

help us. And the cycle continues. And with. With

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:51

those questions already percolating, it continued

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:54

to evolve into, well, what is. What is an avenue

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:56

that we can really begin to put together the

Jaydee Azavari: 01:01:59

huge. This huge, like, puzzle that is our lives

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:04

that includes midwifery and holistic health and

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:07

motherhood and music and nature and what else do

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:14

you got?

Jay Azavari: 01:02:15

Being a father.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:16

Being a father. Quantum biology. All of the new

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:21

things that came into our world through quantum

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:23

biology after we thought we'd learned it all

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:25

right, so, like, there's always more and creating

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:28

a platform where that can be offered and feedback

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:31

can be given to just continue to like, I mean,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:34

truly offer the best. The best environment to

Jaydee Azavari: 01:02:39

raise the continuation of humanity.

Meredith Oke: 01:02:41

Right.

Jay Azavari: 01:02:43

And I would always say that, you know, we, within

Jay Azavari: 01:02:46

the time period where we were running ada, we

Jay Azavari: 01:02:50

were attending a lot of events and conferences

Jay Azavari: 01:02:53

and really trying to support and promote people.

Jay Azavari: 01:02:59

Doing something like that wouldn't be exactly the

Jay Azavari: 01:03:03

same because it would be them and it would be

Jay Azavari: 01:03:06

where they are. But I would oftentimes reflect on

Jay Azavari: 01:03:09

that. No matter how much we did with Ada, it was

Jay Azavari: 01:03:13

maximum. We could reach maybe 50 to 70 kids. And

Jay Azavari: 01:03:16

that would be us working ourselves to the bone.

Jay Azavari: 01:03:20

And so how can we then take that same inspiration

Jay Azavari: 01:03:26

and that energy and these concepts and then sort

Jay Azavari: 01:03:30

of like cultivate that in remote locations and

Jay Azavari: 01:03:34

share this and sort of like scatter seeds for

Jay Azavari: 01:03:39

this type of thing to happen all over the place?

Jay Azavari: 01:03:41

Because it really needs to be explored all over

Jay Azavari: 01:03:48

the place for, you know, people to be able to

Jay Azavari: 01:03:52

create something that's going to be outside of

Jay Azavari: 01:03:54

the.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:03:55

It's a place the idea will become a place where

Jaydee Azavari: 01:03:58

people can gain inspiration and empowerment to do

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:02

whatever it might be that they are being called

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:04

to do. Like it was. It's like you can start a

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:07

school Like Gada. And you're like, what really?

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:09

Like, you can have your baby at home, most

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:11

likely. Like, let's talk about this. Like, what?

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:12

Really? Yes. And I mean, that's kind of the

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:15

undercurrent of everything we've been talking

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:18

about is there is way more to the story around

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:21

what, what you have access to and the ability to

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:23

accomplish within yourself. And most often, we

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:27

just need somebody, like, encouraging us or a

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:29

place to, like a soundboard to move through our

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:33

questioning and then like an applause after we.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:36

We accomplish the task. And that's, that's really

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:40

like a big driving force behind why we wanted to

Jaydee Azavari: 01:04:43

create a podcast.

Meredith Oke: 01:04:46

Yeah. You know, that it. It's so needed and it's

Meredith Oke: 01:04:49

so important as you're talking, what's coming to

Meredith Oke: 01:04:53

me is this idea of mentorship and that we, so

Meredith Oke: 01:04:57

many of us have this idea like we were talking

Meredith Oke: 01:05:02

about earlier, the contrast. Okay, well, that's

Meredith Oke: 01:05:05

what I don't want. But I don't also want to live

Meredith Oke: 01:05:08

in reaction just against what I do want. I want

Meredith Oke: 01:05:10

it now that I know what I don't want, what can I

Meredith Oke: 01:05:14

create? And it's very challenging to take that

Meredith Oke: 01:05:18

path without some kind of mentor who gets what

Meredith Oke: 01:05:24

you're trying to do and who's been through some

Meredith Oke: 01:05:26

version of it themselves and has gained that

Meredith Oke: 01:05:29

wisdom and is not going to think you're weird or

Meredith Oke: 01:05:32

crazy and is going to support you and bring you

Meredith Oke: 01:05:36

through it. And I think in addition to some of

Meredith Oke: 01:05:38

the other challenges we've already talked about,

Meredith Oke: 01:05:40

that is a huge missing piece for creating this

Meredith Oke: 01:05:45

alternate dimension that we'd prefer to live in.

Meredith Oke: 01:05:49

So I'm really, really happy that you're both

Meredith Oke: 01:05:52

doing that. And I think it's also worth

Meredith Oke: 01:05:54

mentioning, it's like having a mentor and coming

Meredith Oke: 01:05:58

to a place like the Rising Sovereign Podcast and

Meredith Oke: 01:06:00

learning from you. It's like you might have. My

Meredith Oke: 01:06:05

children are at the moment all in public school,

Meredith Oke: 01:06:08

but I could still learn so much just for my

Meredith Oke: 01:06:11

parenting, for the hours that they're at home,

Meredith Oke: 01:06:14

for the way that I interact with the school.

Meredith Oke: 01:06:15

Like, you don't have to be on a certain specific

Meredith Oke: 01:06:18

path to gain the wisdom that the two of you have

Meredith Oke: 01:06:22

gained, have accrued through your wonderful

Meredith Oke: 01:06:27

adventures, through this dimension to you and

Meredith Oke: 01:06:32

being.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:32

Empowered in that it doesn't have to look any

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:34

particular way. And that's something that is, you

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:37

know, a big message. And what we want to bring

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:40

and what we want to model is, no, maybe you want

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:42

to have a hospital birth, and that's the most.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:44

Again, sorry, birth references. But the most

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:46

empowered way to have your baby. And I went

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:49

through, like, several hours one day with this

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:53

woman who was just so conflicted because she's

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:55

like, everybody wants me to have a home birth,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:57

and I don't want to have a home birth. I'm like,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:06:59

well, tell me about that. And she went on to

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:01

explain how she was raised in hospitals and her

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:03

parents were doctors and all these things. She's

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:06

like, wait, I really want to have a hospital

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:07

birth, but I can't say it in my yoga class. And

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:10

I'm like, there you go. Right? So it's not just

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:15

coming at it with, like, particular, like, even

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:18

dogmatic answers to all the questions. Like,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:21

really? It's about questioning. And that might

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:23

look like you make some choice this year and a

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:25

different one next year. That is our children in

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:28

many different schooling environments. And

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:29

knowing that within, you know, this idea of

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:34

community or what we want to continue to promote,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:36

it's like, that's also okay. It's okay to make a

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:40

different choice than maybe someone else, and we

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:42

want to get it like, well, what's really, like,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:45

under that? What are you looking to achieve and

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:47

why are you making your choices and how are they

Jaydee Azavari: 01:07:49

aligned with you or not? And.

Jay Azavari: 01:07:53

It reminds me of the thing that you always say,

Jay Azavari: 01:07:56

say, where you said, no, no one can know more

Jay Azavari: 01:07:59

about a woman's birth than her. Right? And so,

Jay Azavari: 01:08:02

like, applying that to some of these other

Jay Azavari: 01:08:05

things, like someone's family, for instance, like

Jay Azavari: 01:08:08

me coming from the outside, like, I can't really

Jay Azavari: 01:08:10

begin to grasp the totality of what the inner

Jay Azavari: 01:08:14

workings of this person's family is. I can share

Jay Azavari: 01:08:17

my perspective and be witness to them, and

Jay Azavari: 01:08:21

hopefully I can show up in a way that's non

Jay Azavari: 01:08:25

dogmatic, dogmatic, or judgmental. And like you

Jay Azavari: 01:08:28

said with that woman, find the source of where

Jay Azavari: 01:08:31

this thing is coming from. Help them arrive at

Jay Azavari: 01:08:34

their decision and have it be their decision.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:36

And there's things also that we like to talk

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:40

about that a lot of people might still not want

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:43

to talk about, but we think should be talked

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:45

about, and they could be considered

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:48

controversial. And I'm still searching for people

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:51

on podcasts talking about these things,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:53

especially in relation to raising children or

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:56

health with children or within the context of the

Jaydee Azavari: 01:08:58

family. Like, Jay's been listening to crazy

Jaydee Azavari: 01:09:01

conspiratorial podcasts for decades, but I'm

Jaydee Azavari: 01:09:04

like, where is that in relation to motherhood?

Jaydee Azavari: 01:09:06

Like, who's talking about some topics right now

Jaydee Azavari: 01:09:09

that are really up that you can't even

Jaydee Azavari: 01:09:11

potentially say out loud without just being

Jaydee Azavari: 01:09:15

highly judged? So Little teaser about some of

Jaydee Azavari: 01:09:18

that to come also.

Meredith Oke: 01:09:20

Yes, and also, yeah, that's also a really good

Meredith Oke: 01:09:25

point because so much of this does spin out into

Meredith Oke: 01:09:29

the kind of conspiracy theory media, which does

Meredith Oke: 01:09:34

really well. It gets a lot of views. People are

Meredith Oke: 01:09:38

like, this is, they're doing this to us and

Meredith Oke: 01:09:41

they're doing that to us. And it's like, I don't

Meredith Oke: 01:09:44

disagree, you know, but to your point, JD and

Meredith Oke: 01:09:48

Jay, like, what you guys are doing, it's like,

Meredith Oke: 01:09:50

okay, maybe, probably. And so what does that mean

Meredith Oke: 01:09:56

for us personally? Where is the connection?

Meredith Oke: 01:10:03

Where's the podcast, the media, the people

Meredith Oke: 01:10:06

talking about who are just sort of like, yeah,

Meredith Oke: 01:10:08

that's true. Like, let's put it to the side and

Meredith Oke: 01:10:10

operate out of knowing that information but not

Meredith Oke: 01:10:14

being dictated to. Like be in reaction to it all

Meredith Oke: 01:10:18

the time and be freaking out about it all the

Meredith Oke: 01:10:19

time. Because it's still winning when we do that,

Meredith Oke: 01:10:23

I think.

Jay Azavari: 01:10:24

Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's just another

Jay Azavari: 01:10:26

version of your choices not being your choices

Jay Azavari: 01:10:30

kind of in this, in this obscured or shrouded

Jay Azavari: 01:10:35

way. But you end up like, like you said, you're

Jay Azavari: 01:10:37

not, you're not winning in that scenario either.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:40

And it can feel really like paradoxical at times

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:43

and like letting that be okay because I, I mean,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:46

I'm talking about Biggles, the Biggleson, like,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:48

approach to holographic blood where there really

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:51

isn't like a doom and gloom thing out to get you.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:53

But then I'm like, well, but we also might need

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:55

to make a choice about X, Y and Z. That does feel

Jaydee Azavari: 01:10:58

like really, to say the word that you use,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:01

curious in this moment. And I always felt like I

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:05

was more of like this middle ground type of

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:08

person for a good amount of my life. And I look

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:10

back, I'm like, well, maybe I really wasn't. But

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:14

more where, you know, I would be more non

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:17

confrontational or try to make everybody happy

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:20

kind of version of a woman. And once, you know, a

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:25

lot of the things have gone on in the last four

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:27

years, someone was like, well, I'm just going to

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:28

take like the middle road. I'm not going to

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:30

choose this side or that side. And someone was

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:32

like, well, the middle of the road is where you

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:34

get run over. Yeah, you know, that's another way

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:38

to look at this, right? I think. Yeah. So again,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:43

it's like that idea of which is very cliche, but

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:46

like, if you don't make a choice, you're still

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:48

making a choice. And how we can just like, okay,

Jaydee Azavari: 01:11:51

well, let's lean into that even more.

Meredith Oke: 01:11:55

Absolutely. This has been wonderful. Thank you

Meredith Oke: 01:12:00

both for being here. I've learned so much, and I

Meredith Oke: 01:12:03

really want to congratulate you on the podcast.

Meredith Oke: 01:12:08

And I do feel like this is where all of us

Meredith Oke: 01:12:11

together, everyone listening, everyone doing

Meredith Oke: 01:12:13

stuff, creating stuff, we're ushering in a new

Meredith Oke: 01:12:17

era of media that is super individual and hopeful

Meredith Oke: 01:12:23

and not afraid to say whatever we want, but also

Meredith Oke: 01:12:28

not falling into any of the traditional traps of

Meredith Oke: 01:12:33

media communication and going after big numbers.

Meredith Oke: 01:12:38

It's like. No, we're going after honesty, real

Meredith Oke: 01:12:42

experience, real wisdom, wherever that leads us.

Meredith Oke: 01:12:47

Thank you both so much.

Jaydee Azavari: 01:12:49

Thank you so much for the opportunity.

Meredith Oke: 01:12:54

All right, we will put the links to everything in

Meredith Oke: 01:12:57

the show notes. In the meantime, please go

Meredith Oke: 01:13:01

subscribe to Rising Sovereign wherever you get

Meredith Oke: 01:13:04

your podcasts. All right, thanks, guys.

Jay Azavari: 01:13:08

Thank you.