Episode 139

139: Katelyn Lehman - Quantum Coherence & The Healing Potential of Scalar Waves

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"We are the technology," says Dr. Katelyn Lehman, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective podcast to explore the fascinating world of quantum coherence and scalar waves. As a clinical psychologist with a deep understanding of mind-body science, Dr. Lehman explains how our awareness and intention can catalyze physiological coherence, leading to profound healing and personal transformation.

Dr. Lehman delves into the emerging paradigm that bridges ancient wisdom with cutting-edge science, challenging the traditional Cartesian split between mind and body. She discusses how heart-brain coherence, supported by practices like meditation and the cultivation of positive emotions, can lead to thousands of beneficial neurochemical and neurobiological changes in the body.

Tune in to today's episode to learn about the potential of scalar wave technology, the importance of integrating psychological sciences in quantum healing, and why embracing the multiplicity of human experience is crucial for our collective evolution. Dr. Lehman also offers a powerful perspective on the intersection of quantum biology and gender dynamics in scientific discourse, reminding us of the importance of empathy and ethical behavior in this emerging field.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Practice heart-brain coherence through meditation, focusing on cultivating positive emotions like joy, love, and gratitude. This can lead to numerous neurochemical and biological benefits.

2. Explore sound healing techniques, such as solfeggio tones or binaural beats, to promote relaxation and support autonomic nervous system regulation.

3. Set clear intentions for your healing journey, whether using scalar wave devices or other modalities, to enhance the effectiveness of the experience.

4. Develop your interoception skills - the awareness of your internal bodily states - to create greater coherence in your life from the inside out.

5. Approach new paradigms and healing modalities with an open mind, while maintaining a grounded perspective. Balance flexibility with healthy boundaries as you explore expanded awareness.

Memorable Quotes

"Coherence can be defined as a degree of correlation in the electromagnetic field. Every cell in our body and every thought creates a pattern of information flowing throughout our physical body."
"We are the technology. We need a completely new scientific paradigm, a new ontological foundation upon which our science can reimagine itself."
"Scalar waves don't behave like traditional waves. When they come up against physical matter, they're perceived to pass through it. They're omnipresent - it's almost like you need a new framework to understand this complexity."

Connect with Katelyn

Website - https://www.quantumclinic.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/katelynlehman

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/drkatelynlehman

Resources Mentioned

Quantum Clinic - www.quantumclinic.com

The Telepathy Tapes podcast - https://thetelepathytapes.com/

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Transcript
Meredith Oke:

You. Hi, Caitlin. Welcome to the QVC podcast.

Meredith Oke:

It's so great to meet you.

Katelyn Lehman:

It's so nice to meet you too, Meredith. Thanks

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for having me.

Meredith Oke:

My pleasure. So I heard about you because you

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have a clinic in Los Angeles called the Quantum

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Clinic. I was like, ooh, what's that? So I

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noticed that you're, you know, you've really,

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your approach is, comes from a place of quantum

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coherence. Like when I, when I read your work or

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go to your website, that's a starting place for

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you. Could you just share sort of what that means

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to you and how you explain it to people, the

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concept of quantum coherence?

Katelyn Lehman:

Sure, absolutely. So I think before I dive right

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into that, it's helpful to have a little bit of a

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frame of reference for how I approach this

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emergent paradigm of understanding. And anytime

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we talk about quantum systems, obviously people

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have these, you know, typically one of two

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reactions. They either think we're talking about

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quantum mechanics, you know, and observer, you

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know, wave particle duality, you know, they get

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really granular with it. And there is a lot of

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science coming out that sort of is in that realm,

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but there's also this other realm which is a

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little bit more kind of based in an understanding

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of mind body science. So understanding that that

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awareness or that field, that observer actually

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is operating inside of us. So for me, with my

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background being in clinical psychology, I have a

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doctorate in clinical psychology and was

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practicing here in Los Angeles county for about

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15 years before starting Quantum Clinic. I wanted

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to really, you know, empower people with the

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skills and space to be able to begin to develop

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what's called interoception or that awareness of

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their internal states so that they can create

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greater coherence in their own lives from the

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inside out. Right, right. Because coherence

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though it is, you know, it, it can be defined as

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simply a, it's a degree of correlation in the

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electromagnetic field. Resonances, right.

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Electromagnetism, the spectrum of light beyond

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just visible light. All things emit a, a small

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but measurable electromagnetic field, including

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every cell in our body and every thought. Right.

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Creates a pattern of this information flowing

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throughout our physical body. And so we really

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work at that intersection there of where

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intention and the active cultivation of these

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positive or life affirming emotional states,

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which really then catalyzes or creates the

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conditions for, for physiological coherence. And

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so primarily at Quantum Clinic, we're working

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with heart brain coherence. That's something that

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a lot of people these days are familiar with or

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have heard about. But you Know, they're wanting

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to like, have an experience of it. And so that's.

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Hopefully that answered your question.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, I love. No, that was beautifully expressed.

Meredith Oke:

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Dr. Lehman. I. And

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brought up something that I've been kind of

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grappling with lately. So, you know, I have my

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background, I was an English major and worked as

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a executive coach. So I'm like, by no means a

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scientist. And I was very much in, in the world

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of energy medicine and, and healing for personal

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reasons. And I started to understand some of the

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basics of quantum physics and quantum biology.

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And for some of us, like, for you and for me,

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it's like, oh, there's science that's explaining,

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you know, distance healing, energy healing, all

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of the things. But what I've noticed is that the

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scientists are still managing. And you alluded to

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this in your answer, right. Like, they're still

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managing to somehow acknowledge that it exists,

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but just pull out some practical scientific

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applications and not shift the paradigm at all.

Katelyn Lehman:

Right.

Meredith Oke:

And I think I, I think I thought like, oh, now

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that quantum biology is real, everyone's going to

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understand that we're energetic beings alight.

Meredith Oke:

And it's not happening. I know I was, I was naive.

Katelyn Lehman:

It is happening. And that's important to honor

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and acknowledge. It's just that our institutions

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and general medical practice. Right. Is very much

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rooted in Cartesian, you know, Western

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understanding of the split between mind and body.

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Right. We are our entire. You know, the

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development of Western medicine was rooted in the

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belief that the body could be viewed as, you

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know, sort of this hermetically sealed object,

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right, that could be tinkered with like a machine

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and, and that, you know, sort of we just left the

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soul or the spirit or the, the, the life force

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with, through which this whole symphony of a body

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being is, is, is activated through. We leave that

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over there to the philosophers and the religious

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scientists and we, we focus exclusively on, on,

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on this kind of narrow view of human experience.

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And that led to a lot of incredible developments

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in Western medicine. And, and certainly it's not,

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you know, let's throw the baby out with the

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bathwater. I think right now we're in a place

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where, and psychology has a big part to play in

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this. Where how can we communicate about the

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emergent paradigm in a way that intuitively makes

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sense to those who have a little bit more of a

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traditional approach to health and human

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functioning.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, yeah, no, definitely. And I think what I've

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been following the field of quantum biology and

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there's the academic part of it is Growing. And

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there are more and more people who are, you know,

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it's not like a, a weird thing anymore. No, but

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when I read their work, it's like entirely

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focused on creating medical devices or

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pharmaceuticals or technology.

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Technology as, as something as it.

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External. And any other repercussions of this,

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you know, of what this science is really telling

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us is, is just being completely ignored. And I

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was like, how can you. And then I was like, oh

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wait, but that's what we did 100 years ago with

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quantum physics. We made computers and bombs and

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didn't shift our materials materialist paradigm

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one inch.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yes. Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

At least in, in the mainstream scientific

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community. And I just see it happening again.

Katelyn Lehman:

So Meredith, we, the. We, the wicked witches of

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the west, must unite. Refuse to allow that to

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happen.

Meredith Oke:

That's what we're doing here. That's the goal.

Meredith Oke:

Right. Because the other thing I noticed about

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the scientists is that they have absolutely like,

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no, like it's completely out of their wheelhouse

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to communicate their findings to the general

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public. Right. Like, you know, well, that's not.

Meredith Oke:

Sunlight is so important and blue light is so

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bad. And they're like, oh yeah, no, we know it's

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terrible. They tell us. But there's no. So that,

Meredith Oke:

that storytelling bridge is what you're saying?

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah, yeah, that there's a storytelling bridge

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and a communication component to, to

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translational science. Right. Taking the

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traditional academic research and the journal

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articles and then kind of conveying that to a

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public audience or a general audience is a skill

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in and of itself and one that, you know, there

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are more and more thought leaders out there doing

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just that. And I think this conversation is a

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part of that. Right. We all are in a position

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where many of us, especially those who are drawn

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to kind of like the intuitive energy oriented

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modalities or paths to living a more vibrant,

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sustainable, joyous and healthy life. We, we have

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all of this intuitive understanding and because

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we live in a culture that really only validates

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strict empiricism. Right. To, to, to. As the, as

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the metric for determining truth. Right. Or you

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know, suggesting that something could be, quote,

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real. Right. We all feel like we're a bunch of

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quacks when in reality, you know, the emergent

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paradigm is fundamentally different in that it

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allows for the multiplicity of experience to be

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equally valid even when those two experiences

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fundamentally contradict one another. Right.

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That, that, that, that is a part of this journey.

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And as humanity continues to evolve, it's my

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belief that we will ultimately arrive at a place

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where we can, can embrace that diversity of

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Experience and the multiplicity of lived

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realities as, as a strength and not a threat to

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the hegemony of, you know, the way in which our

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culture sort of like perpetuates a particular

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view as, as the gold standard for truth.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, and it's interesting to hear you say that

Meredith Oke:

because that was kind of where I was landing

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yesterday. I was having a meditative moment and

Meredith Oke:

it's like, you know, but yeah, it'll be what

Meredith Oke:

it'll be and we, but the beauty of it is that we

Meredith Oke:

get to do whatever we want.

Katelyn Lehman:

Here we are.

Meredith Oke:

Here we are. Yeah, we have this technology and we

Meredith Oke:

can.

Katelyn Lehman:

Well, we are the technology and that's the, you

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know, I think that's to, to your point earlier,

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there's, there's all of this awakening in, you

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know, and I'm someone who art advocates for. We,

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we need a completely new scientific paradigm, a

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set of, you know, we need a new ontological

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foundation upon which our science can, can

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reimagine itself. Right. This, this strictly

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reductionist way of understanding the world

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simply hasn't worked out. And so I'm really

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fascinated by kind of complexity science and

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ecological systems theory in addition to quantum

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mechanics and quantum physics. I think there's a

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really interesting conversation right now that

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ultimately brings us back to some of the very

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ancient conversations that philosophers have been

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having for, for millennia, right? Which is that

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it appears that there's this divine intelligence

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embedded in the fabric of the universe, right? At

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all, across all scales, right? From, from the

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Planck scale, you know, which is the smallest

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scale below which the laws of physics, you know,

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fall apart, right? The Planck scale, bits of

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information to atoms, to, you know, molecules, to

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cells, to organs and bones and bodies. And you

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know, then you keep zooming out and so, so it's

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really about, it really comes back to, I think,

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embracing the reality that there are questions in

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this universe for which there will never be

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finite answers, right? To, to we will there. And

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that's the nature of, that's the nature of

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reality. So how do we, how do we even work with

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that? And what do we, what is it within our power

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to choose to create a world that supports more

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people having access to, you know, these, these

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methods, these techniques that support their well

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being and their health and human functioning,

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right? So when, when we talk about heart, brain

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coherence at Quantum Clinic, really truly it's,

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it's a meditative practice. It's the synchronized

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entrainment of three variables. Respiration,

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heart rate variability and blood pressure. And

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that can be done by connecting, you know, your

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Intention with your breath and your body. But

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really what sets it off, what really elevates

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those coherence scores is, is the cultivation of

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joy or love or gratitude or deep appreciation.

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Right. These, these felt experiences of awe and

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wonder and authenticity. Right. That, that is

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what sets your coherence score apart from just an

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ordinary meditation. And you can really begin to

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practice that. And you know, so people would say,

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well, why would I? Well, because it feels good to

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be in those states certainly. Right. And

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ultimately, you know, it's associated with

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approximately 5,000 different neurochemical and

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neurobiological changes in the body. Right away

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from stress, it's sort of. And into these life

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affirming states which supports a deeper

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integration of trauma, of interpersonal stress,

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of emotional dysregulation, et cetera, et cetera.

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And those are the things that like cause people

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to have premature health, you know, issues like

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to get sick. Right. Is, is, is truly a relational

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dynamic. You know, germ theory has its place,

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don't get me wrong. Like yes, germs are real. I

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have a kid, I have a six year old. So like I know

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germs are real, but it's also germs at school

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with his friends, right? Like, you know, like, so

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it's, there's, there's, you know, so again it's

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not, we don't have to throw out the old paradigm

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in order to create space for the new. And that's

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really, I think an important part of the larger

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conversation here is like how, how do we, how do

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we like come together and move through this with

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joy and love and respect for one another?

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Yeah, I love that. And, and you know, I see

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this science because sometimes I have people,

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they're like, you know, they're like, what do you

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mean? What do you mean that there's finally

Meredith Oke:

evidence for quantum effects than human systems.

Meredith Oke:

Like of course, of course, we are quantum beings.

Meredith Oke:

What do we need that science for? But I see it as

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a bridge, as you're saying, as we're all in a

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slightly different place, let's say ontologically

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and each step forward it builds a bridge that it

Meredith Oke:

could be, we could use in our own unique way to

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get to our next place.

Katelyn Lehman:

100%.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it would be wonderful to

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have a medical device that treats cancer with

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light instead of chemotherapy. Like that would be

Meredith Oke:

great. I'm not well.

Katelyn Lehman:

The FDA just approved a sound based device.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, wonderful.

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That ablates cancer tumors using sound waves for

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surgery.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, that's wonderful to hear because I've had

Meredith Oke:

several People on the podcast, brilliant people

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who are like, oh, I did experiments since as an

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undergrad and I was killing cancer cells with

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sound or light or whatever. I'm like, what

Meredith Oke:

happened? Like, I don't know. No one was

Meredith Oke:

interested. I moved on.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, I'm glad to hear that.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah. I mean we at Quantum Clinic, you know,

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sound ultras think of ultrasound, right, to, to

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create a visual image. It's sound waves being

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passed through the body that then processes produ

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are able to produce an image of structures inside

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of the body. That's how we look at babies in

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utero, right, Is through the application of non

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audible sound wave frequencies. But, but the, the

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whole realm of audible sound actually is, is an,

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a very interesting area of study and, and one

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that we're involved in at Quantum Clinic. I'm

Katelyn Lehman:

sorry, my cat is very excited about being here

Katelyn Lehman:

right now. She's rubbing her face up on the

Katelyn Lehman:

computer. Come here, sweetie.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, we love a good cat visit.

Katelyn Lehman:

Hey, so, so audible frequencies, right? Sounds

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that support autonomic nervous system regulation

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integration. Think of solfeggiotones or binaural

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beats, right? These are, these are compositions

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of frequencies that support, you know, again,

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sort of an ordering effect within the body,

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right? Because when you apply sound to let's say

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water, right. Of which most of the body is

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comprised of water molecules, so you apply sound

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to water, it has an ordering effect, a

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structuring effect. It creates resonant patterns

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or geometric shapes in the water itself. And as

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that is is passing through the body and beyond

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being a relaxing experience which many people

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associate like a sound bath or a sound healing

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session with a state of relaxation, you know,

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what, what, what we're seeing is that it promotes

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again this quantum coherence. It has a, it has a,

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an organizing effect on our physiology and our

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psychology in such a way that it allows for the,

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the flow of energy and information in the body in

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a way that's more fluid, that's less stagnant. It

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can help move energetic blocks. It can help open

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up parts of our experience that we hadn't

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previously felt or had access to. And again, this

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is why in my opinion, it's so important that we

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involve the psychological sciences in this, you

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know, communication about this paradigm. Because

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you know, if you think of, of, of the, the

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totality of the quantum system that, that we are

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perceiving and experiencing through, you know,

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our lives. Right, well, well how is that then

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communicated to us? Right? Well, it's through

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sensation, image, feeling and thought. Those are

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innately psychological factors. There's no

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there's no feeling state in the, the brain

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doesn't feel, the brain doesn't see. It's

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interpreting all of this information at the speed

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of light. And we are subjectively experiencing

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that through our field of awareness. Right. So

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awareness then becomes the, the healing mechanism

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as our awareness expands or contracts because it

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will do both over the lifespan. Right. As it, as

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it continues to evolve and, and develop as we, as

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we go through life. Well then you, you, you

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become more capable of seeing the world

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differently or perhaps others seeing the world

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more rigidly, you know, and, and so then it's,

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it, it's about this dynamic interplay between

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rigidity and flexib and flexibility and obviously

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flexibility and rigidity, both, neither are

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perfect balance. You have to have boundaries on

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one hand and openness on the other. But you know,

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how we navigate that then becomes the dance of

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life. And what a beautiful dance it is.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. So talk to me about the concept of scalar

Meredith Oke:

waves and how they play into this because you

Meredith Oke:

have a device and this has come up a lot and I

Meredith Oke:

haven't talked about it on here, so I'd love for

Meredith Oke:

you to explain.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah, so scalar waves are what's called non

Katelyn Lehman:

Hertzian waves. And there's a significant debate

Katelyn Lehman:

in the scientific community. Community as to what

Katelyn Lehman:

exactly is a scalar wave. I actually wrote about

Katelyn Lehman:

this in a book that I wrote that's still

Katelyn Lehman:

unpublished, but maybe one day it will, it will

Katelyn Lehman:

come out. And, and, and so it's, you know, people

Katelyn Lehman:

have different definitions for what is it. But

Katelyn Lehman:

the properties of a scalar wave that make it

Katelyn Lehman:

unique is that, it's my understanding. And again,

Katelyn Lehman:

I'm not a physicist. I'm, my background is in

Katelyn Lehman:

clinical psychology. So I, I will do, I will have

Katelyn Lehman:

this conversation to the best of my ability.

Meredith Oke:

We are having, we are telling the story of the

Meredith Oke:

science.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yes, yes, exactly. We're not giving it, I'm not,

Katelyn Lehman:

I'm not saying I have all.

Meredith Oke:

Okay, people.

Katelyn Lehman:

But, but these waves don't behave like

Katelyn Lehman:

traditional waves in, in so much as they, when

Katelyn Lehman:

they, when they're moving through space and they,

Katelyn Lehman:

and they come up against physical matter, so say

Katelyn Lehman:

a human body or a wall or whatever, they're

Katelyn Lehman:

perceived to pass through it. So they're

Katelyn Lehman:

omnipresent. Right. They're, they're, it's, it's

Katelyn Lehman:

everywhere. It's almost like. Okay, you know,

Katelyn Lehman:

and, and our kind of Newtonian physics,

Katelyn Lehman:

understanding classical, you know, classical laws

Katelyn Lehman:

of physics don't, doesn't really hold the

Katelyn Lehman:

complexity of that. Like what, what do you mean?

Katelyn Lehman:

Where, well, where does it. So it's almost like

Katelyn Lehman:

you have to have a new, new framework in order

Katelyn Lehman:

to, to understand this, which is why I really am

Katelyn Lehman:

resonate with the, the concept or the idea that's

Katelyn Lehman:

been posited of, you know, the holographic

Katelyn Lehman:

principle that, you know, each atom contains

Katelyn Lehman:

everything, all of the information from the

Katelyn Lehman:

universe itself, right? Like that, every, the

Katelyn Lehman:

smallest bit contains all, right? And so if you

Katelyn Lehman:

think of the world in that way, well then maybe

Katelyn Lehman:

these scalar waves are merely just the

Katelyn Lehman:

communication between and among all of those

Katelyn Lehman:

points. People may be familiar with the type of

Katelyn Lehman:

art called pointillism, right, where each, you

Katelyn Lehman:

stand far away from the painting and it looks

Katelyn Lehman:

like a beautiful landscape, right? There's that

Katelyn Lehman:

famous one of the guy holding the umbrella, the

Katelyn Lehman:

couple walking through the park or something. I

Katelyn Lehman:

forget who did it anyway, and then you come up to

Katelyn Lehman:

the painting and you see it's actually just a

Katelyn Lehman:

bunch of little dots, right? So if you think of

Katelyn Lehman:

scalar energy as being this pluripotentiality,

Katelyn Lehman:

right, perhaps like the Vedic traditions or the

Katelyn Lehman:

Eastern philosophical traditions have talked

Katelyn Lehman:

about, you know, the universe is, is the yin and

Katelyn Lehman:

yang, the potential, right. I, I like to think of

Katelyn Lehman:

scalar energy as, as the activation or the

Katelyn Lehman:

awareness of that pure potentiality that exists

Katelyn Lehman:

in every point in the field. Right. And that,

Katelyn Lehman:

that then would make sense why these waves don't

Katelyn Lehman:

stop at matter because matter is also just

Katelyn Lehman:

another point on, in the larger tapestry of

Katelyn Lehman:

existence. Right? So when, when we talk about,

Katelyn Lehman:

you know, what it, okay, what is. So that's,

Katelyn Lehman:

that's more of an abstract philosophical

Katelyn Lehman:

conversation of what is scalar energy? The

Katelyn Lehman:

ultimate, you know, response is well, we don't

Katelyn Lehman:

really know. It sort of doesn't quite fit our

Katelyn Lehman:

traditional models of understanding. But the best

Katelyn Lehman:

way that I know how to describe it is that it,

Katelyn Lehman:

that it's the activation of a, of some sort of

Katelyn Lehman:

latent potentiality that exists. Right? Okay. And

Katelyn Lehman:

then there, there are technologies, emergent

Katelyn Lehman:

technologies coming on the market, and we have

Katelyn Lehman:

one of those, there are many which, which uses

Katelyn Lehman:

coils, hand wound copper coils that are

Katelyn Lehman:

configured in a particular geometric patterning.

Katelyn Lehman:

There are three coils and inert noble gases in

Katelyn Lehman:

plasma tubes. So that then when the device is

Katelyn Lehman:

turned on, purports to, again as I mentioned

Katelyn Lehman:

earlier, sort of have a structuring effect. It

Katelyn Lehman:

activates the potentiality within the field

Katelyn Lehman:

generated in and around the technology itself

Katelyn Lehman:

and, and audible frequencies are passed through

Katelyn Lehman:

that, administered through headphones and a

Katelyn Lehman:

vibrating waterbed. And the feedback that we get

Katelyn Lehman:

from clients is that it's very supportive of any

Katelyn Lehman:

kind of autonomic dysregulation. So any anxiety,

Katelyn Lehman:

stress, emotional overwhelm. We get a lot of

Katelyn Lehman:

people who deal with chronic inflammatory

Katelyn Lehman:

diseases like fibromyalgia or there are lots of

Katelyn Lehman:

them these days, people dealing with

Katelyn Lehman:

comorbidities around pain, pain in the body, and

Katelyn Lehman:

just kind of fog, Right. Mental fog, and that

Katelyn Lehman:

they have this experience which lasts for about

Katelyn Lehman:

45 minutes. They're exposed to these sound

Katelyn Lehman:

frequencies in the body and through the ears, and

Katelyn Lehman:

they're in this field, this structured field, and

Katelyn Lehman:

it, and it brings the potentiality, the electric,

Katelyn Lehman:

the electromagnetic current in the body up to its

Katelyn Lehman:

fullest potential. Right. So it's like it wakes

Katelyn Lehman:

things up, so to speak. And again, kind of tying

Katelyn Lehman:

it into the realm of like, what is this quantum

Katelyn Lehman:

world we're talking about? Well, it's the realm

Katelyn Lehman:

of sensation, image, feeling or thought. And so

Katelyn Lehman:

as people are having this experience of laying on

Katelyn Lehman:

the bed and being. Being supported by a clinician

Katelyn Lehman:

who, who orients them to the space and encourages

Katelyn Lehman:

them to set an intention for their healing. You

Katelyn Lehman:

know, we, we are very. At quantum clinic, we're

Katelyn Lehman:

attuned to the relational and human qualities of

Katelyn Lehman:

healing. Very much so. So that's an important

Katelyn Lehman:

part of this. Right. And, and that often then

Katelyn Lehman:

that process of connecting to one's intention or

Katelyn Lehman:

whatever will evoke a particular type of journey.

Katelyn Lehman:

Right. While you're receiving these frequencies,

Katelyn Lehman:

some people go to the distant past, rate of their

Katelyn Lehman:

souls, previous incarnations. Some people stay

Katelyn Lehman:

very much in the body. Some people drift into a

Katelyn Lehman:

state of sort of kind of sleep. Right. It really

Katelyn Lehman:

depends on, you know, what's coming up for the

Katelyn Lehman:

person or the individual. But what we've noticed

Katelyn Lehman:

is that people then, when they exit that service

Katelyn Lehman:

tend to feel much more embodied, present,

Katelyn Lehman:

connected, grounded, less pain, less

Katelyn Lehman:

inflammation. And. Yeah, that. I think, we think

Katelyn Lehman:

that's a net positive for humanity right now.

Meredith Oke:

Yes, definitely. And I, yeah, I love these, these

Meredith Oke:

technologies that are acknowledging this other

Meredith Oke:

layer to existence that our traditional

Meredith Oke:

understanding doesn't fully teach us, is there?

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, because we're so, we're opening to the

Meredith Oke:

healing, but we're also opening to seeing the

Meredith Oke:

world this way, which will remain as part of your

Meredith Oke:

life experience even after you've left the

Meredith Oke:

session, I would imagine.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Meredith Oke:

I was talking to someone, they. And they told me

Meredith Oke:

a story about one of these like, scalar devices.

Meredith Oke:

And the person was having like an energy reading

Meredith Oke:

done of their home by an intuitive. And so the,

Meredith Oke:

the intuitive was like reading the energy of the

Meredith Oke:

house to see I, whatever, we, whatever you would

Meredith Oke:

do that for. And yeah, she was like, oh, there's,

Meredith Oke:

there's something, there's the frequency is much

Meredith Oke:

higher like in this area, like in this closet or

Meredith Oke:

there's something that's very much higher. And

Meredith Oke:

they were like, oh, that's where we have our

Meredith Oke:

scalar machine. That's where we have our scalar

Meredith Oke:

device turned on because they had it like next to

Meredith Oke:

their WI fi router or something. They put the

Meredith Oke:

scalar there to balance it out. And that was the,

Meredith Oke:

I heard that story. I'm like, oh, okay. I'm

Meredith Oke:

curious about this now.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

How I mean it's just like a whole universe

Meredith Oke:

happening that like right next to us and it's

Meredith Oke:

just crazy to think about.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, when we're, when

Katelyn Lehman:

we're talking about, you know, intuitive energy

Katelyn Lehman:

reading, you know, not non local awareness, all

Katelyn Lehman:

of these things, you know, the quantum realm

Katelyn Lehman:

really does, at least in part, it's my belief

Katelyn Lehman:

provider, the basis for those experiences. Right.

Katelyn Lehman:

Like I, I, I, you know, it's funny, I hesitate to

Katelyn Lehman:

talk too much about it because again, like we

Katelyn Lehman:

live in a, in a very complex time in human

Katelyn Lehman:

history and I think that, that women in

Katelyn Lehman:

particular, but also men who have practiced

Katelyn Lehman:

indigenous ways of knowing and, and this kind of

Katelyn Lehman:

deeper unified field which we are all a part of,

Katelyn Lehman:

right. We're a node in the larger infinite field

Katelyn Lehman:

of energy and information. And, and if we accept

Katelyn Lehman:

that consciousness is the floor or the, the

Katelyn Lehman:

ground of existence, if you will, which expresses

Katelyn Lehman:

itself through biological adaptations and

Katelyn Lehman:

geological processes and all of these things,

Katelyn Lehman:

well then at least hypothetically it is possible

Katelyn Lehman:

to know things in ways that are not limited by

Katelyn Lehman:

our present time space continuum. Right. That

Katelyn Lehman:

there is a way in which we can access that deeper

Katelyn Lehman:

intelligence, that deeper knowing. And that

Katelyn Lehman:

example you shared of your friend or whomever,

Katelyn Lehman:

you know, having an intuitive do an energy

Katelyn Lehman:

reading and whoa, lo and behold, like they

Katelyn Lehman:

actually said there is a closet over there that

Katelyn Lehman:

like is pinging my sensors, right. That, that,

Katelyn Lehman:

that it's becoming, it's becoming more and more

Katelyn Lehman:

difficult to dismiss those because of the

Katelyn Lehman:

preponderance of evidence that those things are.

Katelyn Lehman:

Well, yeah, there's like this thing here that

Katelyn Lehman:

I'm, that I'm running right now. Like yeah, of

Katelyn Lehman:

course there would, you would notice that. Like

Katelyn Lehman:

so, and, and you know, remote healings, distance

Katelyn Lehman:

healings, telepathic communication between hearts

Katelyn Lehman:

and souls. These, these are all things that, that

Katelyn Lehman:

would get you burned at the stake for heresy at

Katelyn Lehman:

many times throughout human history. And so I

Katelyn Lehman:

think, you know, Rightfully so many women,

Katelyn Lehman:

especially those of us, you know, out here doing

Katelyn Lehman:

the good work. Right. Like, are hesitant to. To

Katelyn Lehman:

speak about in greater depth or. Or outside of

Katelyn Lehman:

circles that feel really, really safe to do so.

Katelyn Lehman:

Right. Because it does at times border on the

Katelyn Lehman:

miraculous, but it's also becoming more. More

Katelyn Lehman:

cultural, culturally accepted. Right. Like the

Katelyn Lehman:

Autism Files or the. Did you hear. Did you watch

Katelyn Lehman:

that podcast or.

Meredith Oke:

Oh, the Telepathy tapes.

Katelyn Lehman:

Thank you. Yes, the Telepathy tapes. You know,

Katelyn Lehman:

they're primarily interviewing people on the, on

Katelyn Lehman:

the spectrum. And, and so, you know, that's like,

Katelyn Lehman:

again, as we're, as we're moving forward as a

Katelyn Lehman:

collective, as a species, I do think this moment

Katelyn Lehman:

in time calls for, you know, sort of an

Katelyn Lehman:

acknowledgement and a recognition of ancient

Katelyn Lehman:

truths to be re remembered by those of us who are

Katelyn Lehman:

here now, and that we should be courageous in

Katelyn Lehman:

communicating about those experiences. Within

Katelyn Lehman:

reason.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. Because I'm glad you brought the Telepathy

Meredith Oke:

tapes up because, I mean, it was a profoundly

Meredith Oke:

beautiful piece of art that she made with that

Meredith Oke:

podcast. But what really landed for me was how

Meredith Oke:

popular it was. I think for a couple of weeks it

Meredith Oke:

was the number one podcast in the United States,

Meredith Oke:

if not more places, which is like tens of

Meredith Oke:

millions of downloads.

Katelyn Lehman:

Well, so.

Meredith Oke:

And I. What you're saying is like, we're. Yeah,

Meredith Oke:

it be. It was above Joe Rogan for a while there.

Meredith Oke:

So it's like we're so timid to.

Katelyn Lehman:

Say it, but everybody wants to hear it. Yeah,

Katelyn Lehman:

yeah, but. Because even Joe Rogan, like, I mean,

Katelyn Lehman:

you know, who's. He's the number one. Right.

Katelyn Lehman:

Like, he talks about that stuff.

Meredith Oke:

Yeah. And then he had her on his podcast, the.

Meredith Oke:

The producer, which I thought was lovely.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And those are the moments because, yeah, I

Meredith Oke:

do. I do think there is that current of fear. I

Meredith Oke:

do, you know, and I see it. You know, I had a

Meredith Oke:

lovely scientist on here who. He's like an

Meredith Oke:

astrophysicist who got really involved in his

Meredith Oke:

retirement, looking at infrared light and how it

Meredith Oke:

impacts.

Katelyn Lehman:

Our bodies.

Meredith Oke:

And how it goes through our bodies. And it's like

Meredith Oke:

such cool. He's doing such cool research, like,

Meredith Oke:

just at home because he's retired. And at the

Meredith Oke:

end, I was like, just very gently, like, oh, has

Meredith Oke:

this research sort of changed your view of the

Meredith Oke:

world or the universe? And he was like, oh, I

Meredith Oke:

don't know what you're talking about. Of course

Meredith Oke:

not. This is science. I was like, okay, okay,

Meredith Oke:

okay. So, yeah, so it's sort of like, I do think

Meredith Oke:

for men, especially in a certain field, there

Meredith Oke:

they are also very protective of their

Meredith Oke:

reputations and don't want to be associated with

Meredith Oke:

the woo woo stuff.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah, yeah.

Meredith Oke:

But then, yeah, I've been finding more and more

Meredith Oke:

it's like when you, you, you put it out there and

Meredith Oke:

it lands like with people where I never would

Meredith Oke:

have expected it to land.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm going to say one more thing

Katelyn Lehman:

about, about this paradigm because, and, and

Katelyn Lehman:

specifically as, as it interacts with gendered

Katelyn Lehman:

norms, personality types and psychopathology,

Katelyn Lehman:

right? Because, just because we now have the

Katelyn Lehman:

language to back up intuitive understanding,

Katelyn Lehman:

alternate modes of knowing with science, right?

Katelyn Lehman:

As science is described in a very narrow frame of

Katelyn Lehman:

understanding, again. Right. That doesn't mean

Katelyn Lehman:

that those things were not true or throughout

Katelyn Lehman:

human history. It just means that we now have the

Katelyn Lehman:

language to validate it. Right. But men, I'm

Katelyn Lehman:

gonna say it, men have been systematically

Katelyn Lehman:

invalidating these experiences which are

Katelyn Lehman:

traditionally conceived of and, and known more by

Katelyn Lehman:

women, right. That, that they have systematically

Katelyn Lehman:

undercut and invalidated, invalidated those modes

Katelyn Lehman:

of knowing. And that still happens today. Right.

Katelyn Lehman:

Just because someone is a notable figure in a

Katelyn Lehman:

particular scientific discipline does not mean

Katelyn Lehman:

that they're also not enacting profoundly

Katelyn Lehman:

narcissistic, ego driven, selfish, you know, self

Katelyn Lehman:

protective defense mechanisms, right. As a way

Katelyn Lehman:

to, to, to, you know, compensate for adversity

Katelyn Lehman:

they perhaps experienced in childhood. And that

Katelyn Lehman:

those, those patterns of harm that exist in the

Katelyn Lehman:

interpersonal worlds, right? The relationships

Katelyn Lehman:

that, that evolve between peoples, right. Like

Katelyn Lehman:

none of this quantum biology stuff changes that.

Katelyn Lehman:

Right. The harm that's perpetuated the, the

Katelyn Lehman:

pathology that's enacted right over millennia is

Katelyn Lehman:

still operating in the present. Just because

Katelyn Lehman:

somebody studies this area doesn't make them

Katelyn Lehman:

capable of, of empathy. And that's a harsh

Katelyn Lehman:

reality that we have to face, you know,

Katelyn Lehman:

especially as women in our world.

Meredith Oke:

Yes. And I, I appreciate you articulating that

Meredith Oke:

because that is, does happen and is happening.

Meredith Oke:

And it's really disconcerting for those of us who

Meredith Oke:

see it from the perspective that we're talking

Meredith Oke:

about because you have people using the same

Meredith Oke:

language and it's like, you know, I was talking

Meredith Oke:

to someone and she's like, how can so and so and

Meredith Oke:

so and so be talking about the quantum field, be

Meredith Oke:

talking about biophysics and quantum, quantum

Meredith Oke:

biology and not understand that they're part of

Meredith Oke:

their behavior is affecting their words, the way

Meredith Oke:

they treat people.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yep.

Meredith Oke:

And it doesn't, it's like exactly what you just

Meredith Oke:

described is happening.

Katelyn Lehman:

Right. And that's been happening for millennia.

Katelyn Lehman:

Right. People usurping spiritual language and now

Katelyn Lehman:

they're usurping the, the, the language du jour,

Katelyn Lehman:

right, which is this unified field and, and love

Katelyn Lehman:

and light and all of that stuff there. It's a,

Katelyn Lehman:

it's a form of, you know, misappropriation of

Katelyn Lehman:

spiritual teachings for, for their own self

Katelyn Lehman:

interest and to assert dominance and power and

Katelyn Lehman:

control in interpersonal relationships. Right. So

Katelyn Lehman:

that, that is, is still, I would argue, like a

Katelyn Lehman:

much more critical imperative for us to address

Katelyn Lehman:

collectively. And again, it's all, it's all

Katelyn Lehman:

happening simultaneously. But you know, people,

Katelyn Lehman:

people are people and we all have these

Katelyn Lehman:

incredibly self destructive and malicious and,

Katelyn Lehman:

and base kind of instincts within us. And

Katelyn Lehman:

ultimately where, where, where it lands for me is

Katelyn Lehman:

falling back on kind of traditional Buddhist

Katelyn Lehman:

principles of, of, you know, not doing harm.

Katelyn Lehman:

Right? How, how do I take these teachings and

Katelyn Lehman:

apply them in my own life and in such a way that

Katelyn Lehman:

I am not contributing to greater harm? And when I

Katelyn Lehman:

am confronted by adversity or, you know, whatever

Katelyn Lehman:

the case may be, okay, am I a courageous and

Katelyn Lehman:

competent adult who is capable of showing up in

Katelyn Lehman:

ways that is respectful, that is reciprocal, and

Katelyn Lehman:

that is grounded in the creation of a shared

Katelyn Lehman:

understanding of reality? Because as we move away

Katelyn Lehman:

from having a rigid, you know, finite, concrete

Katelyn Lehman:

understanding of reality towards a more

Katelyn Lehman:

pluralistic or, you know, multiple realities can

Katelyn Lehman:

coexist, then it becomes about our ability to

Katelyn Lehman:

navigate that, to negotiate that, to have the

Katelyn Lehman:

dialogue, that. That creates a foundation for a

Katelyn Lehman:

shared consensus. Right. That's, you know,

Katelyn Lehman:

that's, I think, why we're in such a mess

Katelyn Lehman:

geopolitically and culturally right now. Why so

Katelyn Lehman:

strong men are taking power across the globe?

Katelyn Lehman:

Because people are like, what is this? They don't

Katelyn Lehman:

know what to do with all of this. The polarity,

Katelyn Lehman:

the splitting, the perceptual fragments that are

Katelyn Lehman:

manifesting on the larger scale. So I'm not sure

Katelyn Lehman:

that I did justice to that talking point, but I

Katelyn Lehman:

think it's an important one to continue to

Katelyn Lehman:

explore as we, as we grow together, you know?

Meredith Oke:

Yeah, absolutely. And I love that you brought it

Meredith Oke:

up. And you know, for me it's like remembering it

Meredith Oke:

starts with it within me. 100 and I can talk

Meredith Oke:

about quantum entanglement. It's like, what am I

Meredith Oke:

contributing to that field? And if we all, you

Meredith Oke:

know, we all started there. Yeah. Caitlin, this

Meredith Oke:

has been so delightful. Please let us know where

Meredith Oke:

people can find you.

Katelyn Lehman:

Sure, yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Continue there.

Katelyn Lehman:

Yeah, yeah.

Meredith Oke:

Their journey.

Katelyn Lehman:

Check it out. So you can find me on Instagram

Katelyn Lehman:

@Doctor Caitlin Layman or Facebook or, you know,

Katelyn Lehman:

anywhere, anywhere you find your people. And you

Katelyn Lehman:

can check out quantumclinic.com and I'll send you

Katelyn Lehman:

a link to my online course that maybe you can

Katelyn Lehman:

include in the show notes.

Meredith Oke:

Sure, I would love to. So, yeah, that's Dr.

Meredith Oke:

Caitlin and it's Caitlin. K A T E L Y N Lehman L

Meredith Oke:

E H M A N this was delightful. And we will have

Meredith Oke:

to do it again sometime.

Katelyn Lehman:

Wonderful. Thanks so much, Meredith.

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